EPTPower Rank 01/03/2010 - Page 4
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Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
On January 03 2010 08:44 Avidkeystamper wrote: You honestly think Jaedong could've reacted better to Flash's bunker rush after losing an overlord? I was thinking more of a line of intercepting the marines as they go into the bunker, I know jaedong needed minerals for overlord and pool, but I think jaedong could of pull drones to intercept marines, if not enough money, cancel hatch, get rid of the threat, then put down the hatchery at nat again. | ||
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Kreedit
Sweden373 Posts
Oh well youre the guy with the delicious waffle icon and im just a Scv... so yeah | ||
KwarK
United States41646 Posts
On January 03 2010 08:49 Avidkeystamper wrote: Cancel the hatchery and be boxed into that little choke in HBR? 1 base zerg v. 2 base teran gogo. It's better than losing the game. Surely that's a pretty basic choice. He was at a disadvantage. He could pretend he wasn't, try and execute a normal counter, fail and lose or he could accept his disadvantage and try and recover later. These situations can be recovered with clutch play anyway. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
just no way!! this is too resultbased for my taste. but not for zero, 4-8 last 12 games mmmh calm should be atleast 5-6 pos too. I don't agree with this at all:/ i simply dont get it | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
On January 03 2010 09:00 KwarK wrote: It's better than losing the game. Surely that's a pretty basic choice. He was at a disadvantage. He could pretend he wasn't, try and execute a normal counter, fail and lose or he could accept his disadvantage and try and recover later. These situations can be recovered with clutch play anyway. + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl37oL8h4HQ No, he loses the game against Flash in that situation too. It's Flash he's playing against here. | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
On January 03 2010 09:00 KwarK wrote: It's better than losing the game. Surely that's a pretty basic choice. He was at a disadvantage. He could pretend he wasn't, try and execute a normal counter, fail and lose or he could accept his disadvantage and try and recover later. These situations can be recovered with clutch play anyway. + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl37oL8h4HQ Thats a pretty bad example given that savior went 9 pool so he can go for earlier aggression and up committed more in the push. On January 03 2010 09:02 StylishVODs wrote: No way jaedong should be 3rd. just no way!! this is too resultbased for my taste. but not for zero, 4-8 last 12 games mmmh calm should be atleast 5-6 pos too. I don't agree with this at all:/ i simply dont get it Calm 9th and jaedong being 3rd has nothing to do with results, if fact if you want to do it results based, then jaedong will probably be at 2nd and calm will go up 5~6 positions. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
On January 03 2010 09:05 MuffinDude wrote: Thats a pretty bad example given that savior went 9 pool so he can go for earlier aggression and up committed more in the push. And he didn't lose an overlord. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
12hatch and lose the first Overlord vs 7rax, are you kidding me. No one can survive that. | ||
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
Stork over Jaedong: Just no. Jaedong is still in the MSL and was knocked out of the OSL by the far and away best player in the world. With similar records there's just no way that Stork should be ranked higher. I get the "more impressive wins" argument but in the end being in leagues matters... a lot. I like both of these players and I think swapping their places would have been more appropriate. Dropping Bisu to CBNC: Bad move. Flash/Jaedong/Bisu should always be on the PR. They are consistently the best players in the world and have proven it over a span of about two years or more. Without a major slump lasting multiple months they should at least get a low spot somewhere. I'm not a big fan of fickle rankings where hot/cold streaks play such a big role. I know this isn't the majority view but just like when Flash dropped off a while back, you just knew he would be back, so why drop him in the first place? These are the most powerful players in the world. Not "who's hot and who's not". At least that's my view. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
and some are not resultbased, such as calm and zero. | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
But I think jaedong could of pulled drones earlier and cancel hatchery for more money, he probably would of avoided being contained though his natural will go up a bit later. | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
On January 03 2010 09:08 StylishVODs wrote: yes muffin, its based on results from jaedongs tvz against the strongest tvzers atm. and some are not resultbased, such as calm and zero. No it isn't. Jaedong is 13-3 while stork is 10-4. Jaedong clearly had the better record. So jaedong being 3rd is not because of his results. On January 03 2010 09:08 Goragoth wrote: Stork over Jaedong: Just no. Jaedong is still in the MSL and was knocked out of the OSL by the far and away best player in the world. With similar records there's just no way that Stork should be ranked higher. I get the "more impressive wins" argument but in the end being in leagues matters... a lot. I like both of these players and I think swapping their places would have been more appropriate. Dropping Bisu to CBNC: Bad move. Flash/Jaedong/Bisu should always be on the PR. They are consistently the best players in the world and have proven it over a span of about two years or more. Without a major slump lasting multiple months they should at least get a low spot somewhere. I'm not a big fan of fickle rankings where hot/cold streaks play such a big role. I know this isn't the majority view but just like when Flash dropped off a while back, you just knew he would be back, so why drop him in the first place? These are the most powerful players in the world. Not "who's hot and who's not". At least that's my view. This is an awful way of looking at the pr. If you want consistency, then fuck. We'll still have nada on the list even though hes doing terribly now. And the time frame in which stork dropped out of msl is too early to actually be included in this list. His games have improved greatly since his msl loss. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
On January 03 2010 09:09 MuffinDude wrote: But I think jaedong could of pulled drones earlier and cancel hatchery for more money, he probably would of avoided being contained though his natural will go up a bit later. Well, the only way to know for sure is to try it out. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On January 03 2010 09:08 Goragoth wrote: Wow, I think I haven't disagreed with a PR this much since JWD was in charge. (It's cool, each PR writer has his own priorities and it's always interesting to read how others see it). Here are my thoughts: Stork over Jaedong: Just no. Jaedong is still in the MSL and was knocked out of the OSL by the far and away best player in the world. With similar records there's just no way that Stork should be ranked higher. I get the "more impressive wins" argument but in the end being in leagues matters... a lot. I like both of these players and I think swapping their places would have been more appropriate. Dropping Bisu to CBNC: Bad move. Flash/Jaedong/Bisu should always be on the PR. They are consistently the best players in the world and have proven it over a span of about two years or more. Without a major slump lasting multiple months they should at least get a low spot somewhere. I'm not a big fan of fickle rankings where hot/cold streaks play such a big role. I know this isn't the majority view but just like when Flash dropped off a while back, you just knew he would be back, so why drop him in the first place? These are the most powerful players in the world. Not "who's hot and who's not". At least that's my view. Well when Flash dropped off the rank he was 7-2 with reasonable losses (KWANROOOOO). Bisu, after a mediocre month last month, has dropped even more by going 7-5 against BAD competition. =\ Maybe a low spot, but by your own argument, leagues matter, and Bisu is in none. Should we knock off Kwanro or Kal who's in the MSL? Or Zero and Calm who played better? Maybe Sea, but wait, he's been better in PL, which is all Bisu has as well. :> I'm just not sure who you'd take off to put Bisu on. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
No it isn't. Jaedong is 13-3 while stork is 10-4. Jaedong clearly had the better record. So jaedong being 3rd is not because of his results. yes. "Now we come to the deciding factor for why Jaedong took a fall in December - his ZvT. " he has only won tvz from his ols win and then he loses 3 games, flash flash sea. Watch those 3 games and see if you can decide wether or not his zvt is still awesomeness. you can't. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
Movie's rough, unpolished style it's highly likely that Shine will have a field day with him in their upcoming semifinal. Movie is getting better and better every month, he wouldn't beat zero if Movie was that unpolished. If the author thinks Shine will dominate Movie like he did against Stork, well the author is sadly mistaken. Movie's micro and game sense in pvz is much better than Stork's right now, and that is the difference between Stork and Movie. Sadly even if Movie advances to the finals he will get crushed by Flash. | ||
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KwarK
United States41646 Posts
It was an example of being at a huge build order disadvantage (losing 4 of your first drones) and coming up with a cool way of turning it around. Obviously it wasn't the exact same game but I'm not entirely sure why you're nitpicking at that. Saying that it's Flash he's playing so he can't recover isn't an excuse. If I were to play Flash I'd use the build I thought was strongest. It wouldn't make any difference because Flash is Flash but I'd still not suicide all my units in retarded attacks just out of wishful thinking. Saying that he'd probably lose if he picked the best option doesn't change the fact that the option he chose guaranteed a loss. That's still a wrong choice. | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
On January 03 2010 09:10 StylishVODs wrote: how u gonna do that vs 3rine+4scvs? you cant, not vs flash. Well first of all, jaedong could pull like 10 drones, with good micro, it should be enough. Like jaedong shouldn't of made those sunkens. It clearly would of been too late. The biggest mistake were the 2 sunkens he made, it clearly wouldn't make it on time. He should of pulled 10 drones. Delay the bunker and flash for about 5 seconds, the lings will come, make sunken, resume mining. On January 03 2010 09:13 StylishVODs wrote: yes. "Now we come to the deciding factor for why Jaedong took a fall in December - his ZvT. " he has only won tvz from his ols win and then he loses 3 games, flash flash sea. Watch those 3 games and see if you can decide wether or not his zvt is still awesomeness. you can't. Uh.. The last 3 games were honestly pretty pathetic. Given that a lot could happen, such as bad day, mistake, misjudgement, but they were not good. Flash game 1, subpar muta micro, but best game of his 3 losses. Flash game 2, disputable, but jaedong probably could of done better Sea game 1, uh... no words for this. On January 03 2010 09:16 KwarK wrote: It was an example of being at a huge build order disadvantage (losing 4 of your first drones) and coming up with a cool way of turning it around. Obviously it wasn't the exact same game but I'm not entirely sure why you're nitpicking at that. It was bo loss, but 12 pool v 8 rax is a bigger bo loss than 9 pool v 8rax. | ||
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