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exeprime
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United Kingdom643 Posts
January 03 2010 00:25 GMT
#81
Movie is so high just because he has good-ish PvZ while Calm is criticised for only being convincing in ZvZ, despite winning a fuckton of games? And Kal so low, wtf.

I don't think i ever felt a PR was so inaccurate.
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
January 03 2010 00:29 GMT
#82
On January 03 2010 09:05 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2010 09:00 KwarK wrote:
On January 03 2010 08:49 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Cancel the hatchery and be boxed into that little choke in HBR? 1 base zerg v. 2 base teran gogo.

It's better than losing the game. Surely that's a pretty basic choice. He was at a disadvantage. He could pretend he wasn't, try and execute a normal counter, fail and lose or he could accept his disadvantage and try and recover later.

These situations can be recovered with clutch play anyway.
+ Show Spoiler +

No, he loses the game against Flash in that situation too. It's Flash he's playing against here.

And who is Flash playing against here? The argument works both ways.

Jaedong is the undisputed number one Zerg player by leaps and bounds. His mechanics are so good that at one point he could 12hatch every ZvZ and still manage to win.

He might have been guaranteed to lose, but I think the point Stylish is trying to make is, as the best Zerg player in the world, Jaedong could've defended that attack better. And while other Zergs might have done better, this is Jaedong, and Jaedong is held to high standards as he is part of the Lee-Ssang-Taek-Bang quartet.

And that's why I think it's fair that Bisu is out of PR too. Bisu is also held to extremely high standards being an S-class player.
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StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-03 00:36:06
January 03 2010 00:32 GMT
#83
game 1.
Jaedong opted to get a third before his muta. Its a mistake vs flashes build but not enough to drop him.

game 2. this game cannot have anything to do with the PR.
it was a 7rax, not 8. meaning marinecount will be +1 and an overlord lost.
He could have tried something different that would make him look cool though.

game 3. Basically this is what would decide the nr1 or 2 spot.
If jaedong wouldn't have turned into flash, who is better than all. He would be in 2 leagues and have had a freakin good december month.

Jaedong has shown and will show I'm right as he has always done.
Just by watching his FPView from wcg i can determine he's better than stork lol.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-03 00:35:18
January 03 2010 00:32 GMT
#84
On January 03 2010 09:29 Kyo Yuy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2010 09:05 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On January 03 2010 09:00 KwarK wrote:
On January 03 2010 08:49 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Cancel the hatchery and be boxed into that little choke in HBR? 1 base zerg v. 2 base teran gogo.

It's better than losing the game. Surely that's a pretty basic choice. He was at a disadvantage. He could pretend he wasn't, try and execute a normal counter, fail and lose or he could accept his disadvantage and try and recover later.

These situations can be recovered with clutch play anyway.
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl37oL8h4HQ

No, he loses the game against Flash in that situation too. It's Flash he's playing against here.

And who is Flash playing against here? The argument works both ways.

Jaedong is the undisputed number one Zerg player by leaps and bounds. His mechanics are so good that at one point he could 12hatch every ZvZ and still manage to win.

He might have been guaranteed to lose, but I think the point Stylish is trying to make is, as the best Zerg player in the world, Jaedong could've defended that attack better. And while other Zergs might have done better, this is Jaedong, and Jaedong is held to high standards as he is part of the Lee-Ssang-Taek-Bang quartet.

And that's why I think it's fair that Bisu is out of PR too. Bisu is also held to extremely high standards being an S-class player.

Of course the argument goes both ways, but I'm not talking about the start of a game, I'm talking about when Jaedong would be down 1 base to 2 and contained. The argument goes both ways, but it doesn't work both ways.
Jaedong
Sentient66
Profile Joined July 2009
United States651 Posts
January 03 2010 00:33 GMT
#85
Violet should at least be on this list somewhere... And I think Calm should be higher than Kwanro.
seNsiX.421
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
January 03 2010 00:37 GMT
#86
Movie is going somewhere, yo. I see him making it to the OSL Finals, beating Shine easily :D

Kal looks good in the picture with his hair sort of, moved up.
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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
January 03 2010 00:37 GMT
#87
On January 03 2010 07:50 Plexa wrote:
I encourage people to watch calm's play rather than just cite results. I know his result sheet is good, but the PR isn't just about results.


In that case, shouldn't Shine be around 7th? He's delivered fantastically, but hasn't always looked pretty doing it.
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
January 03 2010 00:38 GMT
#88
On January 03 2010 09:32 StylishVODs wrote:
game 1.
Jaedong opted to get a third before his muta. Its a mistake vs flashes build but not enough to drop him.

game 2. this game cannot have anything to do with the PR.
it was a 7rax, not 8. meaning marinecount will be +1 and an overlord lost.
He could have tried something different that would make him look cool though.

game 3. Basically this is what would decide the nr1 or 2 spot.
If jaedong wouldn't have turned into flash, who is better than all. He would be in 2 leagues and have had a freakin good december month.

Jaedong will show I'm right as he has always done.
Just by watching his FPView from wcg i can determine he's better than stork lol.

I don't see where you are getting with game 3 (the one v sea rite?). He played a terrible game, not worthy enough for #1 or #2. Stork's losses were a bit similar to game 1 too. Its just not enough to lower him on the pr ranking.

FPVOD that jaedong is better? How? Is it because its faster? Thats because zerg tend to be faster than protosses. This is a norm.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
January 03 2010 00:43 GMT
#89
Man, ive been waiting and waiting for the new PR. Thank you!
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-03 00:47:42
January 03 2010 00:44 GMT
#90
sure then don't lower stork. just don't raise him above jaedong.

Stork just dropped out of both leagues and he is raised to nr 2 over jaedong from nr5 who would be in both leagues had he not faced flash and their skill is very similuar. Although I think jaedong is better.

i don't see how this is defendable, stork bias.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
January 03 2010 00:47 GMT
#91
On January 03 2010 08:09 SkytoM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2010 08:08 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On January 03 2010 08:05 ndralcasid wrote:
When was the last time Bisu was out of the PR??

And damn, Movie needs a new picture...


almost never. Even when he deserved to be sometimes, he still got #3 positions in the like because "Bisu's obviously a top 3 player," works for him. ):


and this month, where he would deserve to be on it, he isn't. Look at his TLPD and say to my FACE that his PvZ doesnt look impressive again.



As Plexa said, its not only about the results. His games have not looked as solid as they once were.
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-03 00:56:07
January 03 2010 00:55 GMT
#92
There's absolutely no fair way to compare jaedong's series against flash, and calm's series against flash. Jaedong should have been the #2 this month. Jaedong's zvz is as strong, if not stronger than stork's pvz, and his zvt is better than stork's pvz. Guess who's also alive in a starleague? :/

I'm very please that shine and movie are so high up, especially movie. His play lately, except against jaedong, has been very good lately. Hopefully he makes the finals.


EDIT:
On January 03 2010 09:44 StylishVODs wrote:
sure then don't lower stork. just don't raise him above jaedong.

Stork just dropped out of both leagues and he is raised to nr 2 over jaedong from nr5 who would be in both leagues had he not faced flash and their skill is very similuar. Although I think jaedong is better.

i don't see how this is defendable, stork bias.


I tend to agree.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
January 03 2010 00:55 GMT
#93
Best power rank I've read, really thorough gj!
Yhamm is the god of predictions
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
January 03 2010 01:08 GMT
#94
On January 03 2010 09:44 StylishVODs wrote:
sure then don't lower stork. just don't raise him above jaedong.

Stork just dropped out of both leagues and he is raised to nr 2 over jaedong from nr5 who would be in both leagues had he not faced flash and their skill is very similuar. Although I think jaedong is better.

i don't see how this is defendable, stork bias.

However, stork's play is slightly better than jaedong's. This is why he should be in #2.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
January 03 2010 01:16 GMT
#95
At first I had some issues with your PR, but now that I think it through, it's good. Agree with everything
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
January 03 2010 01:24 GMT
#96
Zero at 6th is quite the lol xD
Revolutionist fan
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Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
January 03 2010 01:38 GMT
#97
On January 03 2010 09:25 exeprime wrote:I don't think i ever felt a PR was so inaccurate.

The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
January 03 2010 01:46 GMT
#98
This is the weirdest part of the season to do a Power Rank because all the riffraff who manage to sneak into the later rounds of the leagues get ranked high.

I'm not saying Movie and Shine are bad, but I really don't expect them to sustain very much success.

I don't have a very high opinion of Kwanro at all. I think he is, at best, a middling zerg.

I still feel like Bisu is, by far, the best Protoss out there. I know there is something to be said about his early exits in the leagues, but it just feels wrong to leave him off the Power Rank.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
January 03 2010 01:48 GMT
#99
Well, despite all the immediate backlash - Flash is obvious at first, I was really worried that Stork's amazing play wouldn't be represented in 2nd or 3rd so I'm very happy to see him in 2nd, Jaedong is the obvious other 2nd or 3rd so that's good, rest is a nice read (regardless of my opinions on placements), and Bisu isn't on it - for good reason, this last month.

So it looks great IMO!

Thanks for the quick writeup, an enjoyable read as the PR always is
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 03 2010 01:53 GMT
#100
thanks for the PR. Everything is in its right place
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
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