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Hmm....this PR definitely looks a lot different than I was expecting.
I can't say I really agree with  Stork >  Jaedong...I mean, JD is still in MSL with a good chance to win it, and there's no shame in losing ZvT to  Flash. It was only in Game 1 that he really looked bad, Game 2 was more of a brilliant strategy loss (7rax, not 8rax btw). But I love Stork and I do agree he looks really strong lately, so it's not a huge deal.
But the biggest surprise for me has got to be Calm being so low. He put up a good fight against Flash (despite 2hatch muta faggotry every game), and had a good early half of the month. Even if he looked AWFUL against an almost-as-awful Fantasy a little while ago. Still, I would have switched ZerO and Calm's positions...Yeah ZerO got an unlucky draw of opponents, but if he can't beat the top players then he probably doesn't deserve to be that high.
But eh, it was probably a really hard month to place people...I completely agree with Bisu being off the PR, he's just looked bad lately, and being manner-CC'd by CuteAngel isn't a good way to end the month.
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Despite random semantics with where people should be at, these are the top 10 players I would make a team out of. I think I remember that being the main criterion for the PR. So, well done.
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The January Kespa ranks aren't out yet, however it looks like the monthly composite rank (average of TL + SC2GG power ranks, FPL Trade Value, Elo, and Kespa rank) will be Flash, Jaedong, Stork, Calm, Bisu.
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On January 03 2010 11:08 Hinanawi wrote:Hmm....this PR definitely looks a lot different than I was expecting. I can't say I really agree with Stork > Jaedong...I mean, JD is still in MSL with a good chance to win it, and there's no shame in losing ZvT to Flash. It was only in Game 1 that he really looked bad, Game 2 was more of a brilliant strategy loss (7rax, not 8rax btw). But I love Stork and I do agree he looks really strong lately, so it's not a huge deal. But the biggest surprise for me has got to be Calm being so low. He put up a good fight against Flash (despite 2hatch muta faggotry every game), and had a good early half of the month. Even if he looked AWFUL against an almost-as-awful Fantasy a little while ago. Still, I would have switched ZerO and Calm's positions...Yeah ZerO got an unlucky draw of opponents, but if he can't beat the top players then he probably doesn't deserve to be that high. But eh, it was probably a really hard month to place people...I completely agree with Bisu being off the PR, he's just looked bad lately, and being manner-CC'd by CuteAngel isn't a good way to end the month.
The only people that Zero lost to on the PR are people above Zero, so it's not like he's completely out of place.
But, even with good play, I don't think a guy who spent the second half of the month going 4-8 and flopping in proleague, out of OSL and MSL, should honestly be above Calm. His play was pretty good! But a lot of it was really bad -- all of his proleague losses, including a loss to, dun dun dun, Calm!
Switch those two and I'd be happy with the PR. Flash-stork-JD I can handle pretty well if you favor the maps Stork had to play on a lot.
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Zero should be gone imo and Kwanro and Kal should be higher
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On January 03 2010 11:18 jalstar wrote:
The January Kespa ranks aren't out yet, however it looks like the monthly composite rank (average of TL + SC2GG power ranks, FPL Trade Value, Elo, and Kespa rank) will be Flash, Jaedong, Stork, Calm, Bisu.
Jaedong won't be knocked off number one until at least one of his OSLs rotates out. Unless I am mistaken that won't be this month.
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shine, kwanro and zero deserve to be on pl
sea's only notable game this month is against jaedong, where he won because jaedong played retardly.
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On January 03 2010 08:24 SkytoM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2010 08:22 Trezeguet23 wrote:On January 03 2010 06:55 SkytoM wrote:
you are SO wrong about Bisu. he is so right, the individual leagues are a really good measure of who is on their game right now. but only the two in the Fall-Season, in later stages of PL no-one cares about SL's anymore. Also Bisu was one-click away from MSL Ro16.
but this is only a top10....
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Crap PR...I don't even know where to begin.
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Stork over Jaedong doesn't make sense to me. Stork's record was 11-4, compared to JD's 13-3. You dock Jaedong's ZvZ, but went 6-0 in December. His only losses were to Flash and Sea. His ZvP is absurd. His games were incredibly one-sided.
Stork wins one PvT and that gives him a free pass? Even though it was against Flash, and even though it was his only PvT of the month, it's hardly enough for #2.
Also I don't think Calm has done anything to deserve dropping to #9. He's been pretty strong and just happened to run into Flash.
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So many things to argue but I don't really want to argue with you, so I'll just say one thing: I don't think it's right to judge ZvT based on "who lost better/worse against Flash," especially Jaedong's series. Yes, he didn't play as well as he could have in the first game, and once he lost the first overlord and decided to 12hatch, there was nothing he could do to prevent the loss in the second. But I think if anyone were to Bo3 or Bo5 Flash right now, Jaedong would still have the best chance (especially if all the games were played consecutively). I guess we'll find out in the MSL though (hopefully...)
Comparing losses tells you relatively little - in the end, they still lost. Compare wins to decide who is the best and compare losses to decide who is the worst.
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On January 03 2010 11:23 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2010 11:08 Hinanawi wrote:Hmm....this PR definitely looks a lot different than I was expecting. I can't say I really agree with Stork > Jaedong...I mean, JD is still in MSL with a good chance to win it, and there's no shame in losing ZvT to Flash. It was only in Game 1 that he really looked bad, Game 2 was more of a brilliant strategy loss (7rax, not 8rax btw). But I love Stork and I do agree he looks really strong lately, so it's not a huge deal. But the biggest surprise for me has got to be Calm being so low. He put up a good fight against Flash (despite 2hatch muta faggotry every game), and had a good early half of the month. Even if he looked AWFUL against an almost-as-awful Fantasy a little while ago. Still, I would have switched ZerO and Calm's positions...Yeah ZerO got an unlucky draw of opponents, but if he can't beat the top players then he probably doesn't deserve to be that high. But eh, it was probably a really hard month to place people...I completely agree with Bisu being off the PR, he's just looked bad lately, and being manner-CC'd by CuteAngel isn't a good way to end the month. The only people that Zero lost to on the PR are people above Zero, so it's not like he's completely out of place. But, even with good play, I don't think a guy who spent the second half of the month going 4-8 and flopping in proleague, out of OSL and MSL, should honestly be above Calm. His play was pretty good! But a lot of it was really bad -- all of his proleague losses, including a loss to, dun dun dun, Calm! Switch those two and I'd be happy with the PR. Flash-stork-JD I can handle pretty well if you favor the maps Stork had to play on a lot.
When we both agree about Flash's placement, T3 and I agree on everything else. I love this rank so much more than Riptide's heritage ranks.
Of course it doesn't count at all this month, but Kal was very impressive today as well- Pure is always a solid player, and Kal just dismantled him.
Also, next rank, I guarantee EffOrt will be above Shine.
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Let's look at Movie's wins during December shall we?
---> MVP, Zero (x2), Pure, Yellow, TheZerg, Firefist, Pusan
Anyway, your analysis of Calm is quite cynical. It seems you're holding his last month's slump against so much, that you're now unimpressed when he wins at all. If you want to fault Calm for games one and four vs Flash, then by your standards, Jaedong should have plummeted as well, because he was just awful vs Flash.
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i am raging so much over this rank right now zzz
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I think I agree with this rank. Stork over Jaedong is well-explained, and there really isn't much of a gap between the two of them so it's nothing to really rage about.
Although Jaedong's ZvT does worry me a bit, I think I can explain Jaedong's mindset during his losses. (Hypotheses incoming)
Flash 1 - Jaedong's persistence to lay down that third hatchery might have been because he was trying to feel out Flash's response to it. Hyun won with it, so Jaedong tried it. Flash simply learned his lesson from before and poor Jaedong failed horribly with his experiment. His control overall was really bad too which I think I can atrribute to (gasp) intimidation.
Flash 2 - I'm pretty sure Jaedong has settled down and had a cute strategy in mind much like Calm's on HBR. It would've worked too had Flash not made the most well-planned cheesed I've ever seen not done by Nal_ra.
Sea - He's trying to see if he can stop an early Terran push with just lings so he doesn't have to put himself behind economically from making Sunks. It was another experiment, most likely done for when he meets Flash and his imba ZvT again. I mean, giving Flash any form of economic advantage in TvZ is basically handing him the win and Sea obviously makes for the best Flash dummy at the moment. Jaedong failed though, sad.
Also, notice how good and Flash-esque Hiya's ZvT was in the Hwaseung's series versus eStro. Clearly somebody's practicing ZvFlash in Hwaseung House, and I bet it isn't Killer.
EDIT: Looking at the rank again, Calm deserves higher. He hasn't looked very solid but he did manage to put up some respectable results.
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On January 03 2010 09:00 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2010 08:49 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Cancel the hatchery and be boxed into that little choke in HBR? 1 base zerg v. 2 base teran gogo. It's better than losing the game. Surely that's a pretty basic choice. He was at a disadvantage. He could pretend he wasn't, try and execute a normal counter, fail and lose or he could accept his disadvantage and try and recover later. These situations can be recovered with clutch play anyway. + Show Spoiler +
So, Calm was in a even better position than Jaedong-No lost overlord, had high ground. Are you still defending going 1 base?
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Finally Bisu is off the list. I still don't agree with many of the rankings (par for the course), but at least SKT1 isn't all over the place with little justification as usual.
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