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On January 30 2010 19:08 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2010 08:53 LucasWoJ wrote:
And Jaedong created modern day zvz. Literally. Everything about it. No, that's not true at all. Muta micro for one was invented awhile ago, by [I think] JulyZerg, maybe Savior? He's certainly the best Zerg right now, but it's silly to paint him as the pioneer of all things Zerg. In any event, when is this going to get updated again? I'm guessing early Feb? Really has been completely dominate this and last season and definitely should be in the top 10, movie has really seemed to have lost his edge since losing to flash in the OSL quarterfinals and Sea seems to be middling of late. Kal is holding steady with strong play, but nothing dominating. Leta completely dominated last season (too soon to say for WL). Jaedong seems to be coming back strong, but Storku played amazing last season and (spoiler about WL) + Show Spoiler +has cleaned up Khan's mess in back to back games finishing off Fantasy after FBH and Jangbi bit in and then Really after he almost pulled a reverse all kill , so I'd keep him at #2. Jangbi seems to be struggling lately, so I'd have to stick him probably around the 11-15 range. I'd probably have the top 10: 1. Flash 2. Storku 3. Jaedong 4. Really 5. Leta 6. Calm 7. Zero 8. Kal 9. Kwanro 10. ? Nobody really jumps out to me as a solid 10th. There's a couple guys that I could see in that area like Hiya or Roro, but they haven't done anything amazing for me.
I was going to make a comment about Jaedong and how he has revolutionized ZvZ , but after seeing you rank Stork above Jaedong in your PR i'll save it .
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On January 30 2010 19:08 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2010 08:53 LucasWoJ wrote:
And Jaedong created modern day zvz. Literally. Everything about it. No, that's not true at all. Muta micro for one was invented awhile ago, by [I think] JulyZerg, maybe Savior? He's certainly the best Zerg right now, but it's silly to paint him as the pioneer of all things Zerg.
Hahaha... muta micro =/= ZvZ, although pre-Jaedong muta micro was far inferior to the modern day. The precision, timing attacks, careful unit counting, zergling run-by plays (often in the midst of mutalisk attacks) and methodical concave exploitation have advanced tremendously since Jaedong took over ZvZ. Luxury, then Effort and Calm, were the first non-JD zergs to really get it, and now everyone who's anyone plays ZvZ like Jaedong, albeit a little less badass. There's a reason he was 80% ZvZ for so long (in a match-up with very strong build order advantages/disadvantages and overlord luck) and there's a reason he's not anymore.
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On January 30 2010 19:08 Craton wrote:
2. Storku
3. Jaedong
ROFL
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On January 30 2010 19:26 SuperArc wrote:ROFL
Storku's playing pretty well, but, uh... Jaedong won the MSL losing only one game. He's the scarier mofo at present.
By the by, there's a lot of mention of 3 hatch before pool in ZvT... I believe that just gives +2 larva. It's certainly helpful, but not some sort of outrageous advantage. (And the mineral loss for 9 drone scouting probably counteracts the gains anyway. It looks to me like a way to 9 drone scout without taking an economic hit (over 12 hatch 11 pool 13 hatch) if you find your opponent and he's not cheesing. Which is clever, but... revolutionary? Really?)
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I think you're misinterprenting the first post about jaedongs "innovation".
Imo its not his innovation that makes him special. He's not known to be the player who comes up with these new awesome strats, even if he does. What stands out about him the most is is raw skill, mechanics.
What stands out about flash lately is also his raw skill, but in the past it was more his strategies, like the flash strat.
To put it simple, jaedongs raw skill makes him stand out MORE than his ability to make innovations.
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I'm not spoiler tagging anything about MSL in this post, so if by some miracle you still haven't seen it, don't read on.
Hahaha... muta micro =/= ZvZ, although pre-Jaedong muta micro was far inferior to the modern day. The precision, timing attacks, careful unit counting, zergling run-by plays (often in the midst of mutalisk attacks) and methodical concave exploitation have advanced tremendously since Jaedong took over ZvZ. Luxury, then Effort and Calm, were the first non-JD zergs to really get it, and now everyone who's anyone plays ZvZ like Jaedong, albeit a little less badass. There's a reason he was 80% ZvZ for so long (in a match-up with very strong build order advantages/disadvantages and overlord luck) and there's a reason he's not anymore.
The point is that Jaedong isn't the only thing that ever happened to zerg. Yes, he's a great player and yes he's done a lot, but you're completely naive to think he's the only zerg to have ever invented anything.
To the other poster: Jaedong won MSL with one loss, yes, but that was a controversial a final as we've probably ever had. The manner in which Flash lost the 3rd (a ruling over actual play) would take the wind out of the sails for anyone. Add that to a solid hour stewing on that before playing the fourth game. Maybe if MBC hadn't failed colossally Flash might've taken a 2nd game and JD won 3-2, maybe he'd have come back and won 3-2 himself. Do I think JD would've still won? Yes, and I was vehemently rooting for him the whole time. That said, we'll never know how things might have turned out.
What we do know is that JD was in a weak spell for awhile (admittedly weak for JD is still great for most players), but Stork has been becoming more and more dominate every week. JD has been returning to glory and showing off some dominate play, but consider what happened at the end of KT vs Oz a few days ago. JD is a damn good player and he may certainly prove himself worthy of #2 or #1 again, but at this moment I'm sticking to my guns and keeping Stork #2.
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Craton, jaedong and flash are dominating at another level than all the other progamers right now. There is no way you could put stork ahead of Jaedong after this month.
With jaedong showing dominance equal to flash except alot less games played the only way you could do this is based on results. And stork hasn't had a pretty good month.
Stork 4-3 this month.
Jaedong 11-3 this month.
Can you name one thing that would put stork above jaedong? Just one little thing?
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1.Flash
2.Jaedong
3.Really
4.Stork
5.Firebathero
6.GuemChi
7.Leta
8.Kwanro
9.Calm
10.Bisu
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On January 30 2010 20:44 Craton wrote:
What we do know is that JD was in a weak spell for awhile (admittedly weak for JD is still great for most players), but Stork has been becoming more and more dominate every week.
Yeah, that was in October, where he went 3-3. Since then he is 79%, and Stork is 63%. And this month Stork is 4-3 while Jaedong is 11-3, including 3 Bo5 wins where he lost a total of 1 game, which was against the best player in the world.
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On January 30 2010 21:42 FireGuyX wrote:
1.Flash
2.Jaedong
3.Really
4.Stork
5.Firebathero
6.GuemChi
7.Leta
8.Kwanro
9.Calm
10.Bisu
Bandwagon powerrank
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
Really deserves to be in top 5 PR next month.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't savior sometimes used to 3 hatch before pool?
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On January 31 2010 02:41 n.DieJokes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2010 21:42 FireGuyX wrote:
1.Flash
2.Jaedong
3.Really
4.Stork
5.Firebathero
6.GuemChi
7.Leta
8.Kwanro
9.Calm
10.Bisu Bandwagon powerrank
What are you stupid? It has nothing to do with being a bandwagner, the power rankings is all about who did very well this month, I thought that's how you rank powerrankings? Maybe I should replace firebathero and put in Effort, I bet that would make sense to you.
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1.  Flash
2.  Jaedong
3.  Stork
4. Calm
5. Really
6. Kal
7. Movie
8. Leta
9. HiyA
10. ZerO (?)
Would be my personal PR  I guess putting ZerO on 10 was pretty random. Wanted to put Sea on 10 but figured to balance it out visually by putting a Zerg on there :D Perhaps Kwanro would make a nice 10th.
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On January 30 2010 19:13 raga4ka wrote:
I was going to make a comment about Jaedong and how he has revolutionized ZvZ , but after seeing you rank Stork above Jaedong in your PR i'll save it .
Please do that. There is no doubt in my mind that JD revolutionized the MU, but since I don't understand ZvZ at all I would love to hear specifically what he did.
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On January 31 2010 03:44 FireGuyX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2010 02:41 n.DieJokes wrote:On January 30 2010 21:42 FireGuyX wrote:
1.Flash
2.Jaedong
3.Really
4.Stork
5.Firebathero
6.GuemChi
7.Leta
8.Kwanro
9.Calm
10.Bisu Bandwagon powerrank What are you stupid? It has nothing to do with being a bandwagner, the power rankings is all about who did very well this month, I thought that's how you rank powerrankings? Maybe I should replace firebathero and put in Effort, I bet that would make sense to you.
gaaah you're so ... nvm.
the next PR shouldn`t be that hard to make imo...at least the top spots.
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On January 31 2010 04:14 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2010 03:44 FireGuyX wrote:On January 31 2010 02:41 n.DieJokes wrote:On January 30 2010 21:42 FireGuyX wrote:
1.Flash
2.Jaedong
3.Really
4.Stork
5.Firebathero
6.GuemChi
7.Leta
8.Kwanro
9.Calm
10.Bisu Bandwagon powerrank What are you stupid? It has nothing to do with being a bandwagner, the power rankings is all about who did very well this month, I thought that's how you rank powerrankings? Maybe I should replace firebathero and put in Effort, I bet that would make sense to you. gaaah you're so ... nvm. the next PR shouldn`t be that hard to make imo...at least the top spots.
gaaah you're such a pathetic idiot. If you want to counter my argument, say something that makes sense. If not you're just making yourself look like a troll.
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United States10328 Posts
On January 31 2010 05:25 FireGuyX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2010 04:14 Jaeden wrote:On January 31 2010 03:44 FireGuyX wrote:On January 31 2010 02:41 n.DieJokes wrote:On January 30 2010 21:42 FireGuyX wrote:
1.Flash
2.Jaedong
3.Really
4.Stork
5.Firebathero
6.GuemChi
7.Leta
8.Kwanro
9.Calm
10.Bisu Bandwagon powerrank What are you stupid? It has nothing to do with being a bandwagner, the power rankings is all about who did very well this month, I thought that's how you rank powerrankings? Maybe I should replace firebathero and put in Effort, I bet that would make sense to you. gaaah you're so ... nvm. the next PR shouldn`t be that hard to make imo...at least the top spots. gaaah you're such a pathetic idiot. If you want to counter my argument, say something that makes sense. If not you're just making yourself look like a troll.
and this is coming from someone who has "favorite programmers" in his sig LOL
ok the problem with your PR is that you are putting people high just because of some WL wins [impressive, admittedly, but hello there are certain people who made starleague finals (and semifinals) who should be there?] can you really claim guemchi > kwanro and calm
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