EPTPower Rank 01/03/2010 - Page 40
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
He made the 3 base spire into 5 hatch hydra build, hes also starting to do three hatch before pool against terran's rax expands. Jaedong isnt copying anyone, players copy HIM. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On January 30 2010 08:44 SuperArc wrote: Why do people call Jaedong not innovative...? He made the 3 base spire into 5 hatch hydra build, hes also starting to do three hatch before pool against terran's rax expands. Jaedong isnt copying anyone, players copy HIM. I think what he ment is that he have no trademark style in any matchup. He's not a player who you can figure out and then play counterbuilds to. And thus beating him and throwing him off the throne. They did with flash's TvP at one point. His style was figured out. | ||
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LxRogue
United States1415 Posts
On January 30 2010 08:44 SuperArc wrote: Why do people call Jaedong not innovative...? He made the 3 base spire into 5 hatch hydra build, hes also starting to do three hatch before pool against terran's rax expands. Jaedong isnt copying anyone, players copy HIM. I agree that Jaedong is innovative, but it's just hard for zerg to be really innovative in general. In MSL game 2, Flash built 2 wraiths, 2 vessels, and 2 dropships in that exact order. If he had done it differently at all, Jaedong would have either done a ton of damage with guardians, been able to defend his main easily, or both. Zerg just doesn't have the opportunity to do things like that. | ||
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LucasWoJ
United States936 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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okum
France5779 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Guess that mean Flash gets to start not being god again. =( He seems to only do well when all other terrans suck. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
Hopefully he can keep it up though!Really definitely deserves a high spot IMO. He's playing absolutely brilliant SC. Optic flare ftw! | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
On January 30 2010 15:46 TwoToneTerran wrote: Well damn, as far as proleague is concerned, the terran drought is over. Guess that mean Flash gets to start not being god again. =( He seems to only do well when all other terrans suck. The current map pool is rapetastically good for Terran, though. It would be odd for the best Terran in the business not to dominate fairly hard. | ||
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okum
France5779 Posts
Although Stork had some disappointing losses earlier this month, he completely made up for them by effortlessly destroying SKT and eSTRO's aces to give KHAN a 2-0 score in WL. (If only FBH hadn't been sent out first, he might've gotten more games to show...) | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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Redshirt
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On January 30 2010 17:44 SuperArc wrote: This month's PR will be so hard for the spots 3-10 and CBNC. Not that hard . It should look something like this .... 3 . Stork 4 . Really 5 . Calm 6. Movie 7. Leta 8. hiya 9. Bisu 10 . FBH/Guemchi/Light ... I just rank them based on performance and little fanboism 5 - 9 could be switched also and there could be better candidates for the last spot . I don't know what Plexa will think of and i don't know if i can possible be more surpised then last month's PR , but go Plexa prove me wrong man  . I know Calm may look to high , but he shouldn't have been low in the rank this month in the first place . Seriously he only loses to really good TvZ players and most of his losses come from only Flash and i can't blame him for losing against him . | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On January 30 2010 05:36 jalstar wrote: fan of neither, but flash has been playing better than jaedong recently, jaedong won the msl but couldn't pull it off in osl or winner's league every time they have a standard muta->lurker->hive vs 1 rax fe game Flash wins. thats like only 2 games ... Flash is good enough he is never going to be just "one of many", not for more than a month while he adjusts, not until the next generation of progamers (if there ever is one). That aside, you've sort of hit the nail on the head. Flash's genius is stylistic, build-oriented, and can therefore be copied much easier than Jaedong's, whose genius is almost pure skill. Flash is constantly messing with timings, placements, tech orders, etc. to maintain his edge, which helps him almost as much as his raw skill. When he does settle into a "style" - say for a PL season - his builds can be analyzed and copied. Of course, other Terrans still aren't as good, because they never seem to quite achieve Flash's tank micro or turret placement skill hacks, but Flash's edge is BO domination and innovation, and that can be copied (see: anti-carrier build). Jaedong's domination is purely skill-based; he rarely innovates much, but then he doesn't need to because he can kill you, at the top of his game, with just mutalisks. Two control groups. Being micro'd at the same time. (Hi Iris.) Not that JD doesn't push the envelope or experiment, it's just that the strategic players these days in the Zerg department are clearly players like ZerO and Calm, while Jaedong is just Better Than YouSo who's better between them? I have no idea, in the long run. This month I'm inclined to leave the edge with Flash, on the basis of momentum and results that are better across 75% of the board at least. Sorry man , but Zero hasn't really innovated anything . He likes to mess around with queens , because he is normaly owning the other player because he is better then him . Unless he starts doing it in almost every game he plays and other players start copying it's not innovation . I agree with Calm thought some of his builds are really well planned in all MU's even in ZvZ . I like to copy some of his builds in Iccup even thought i can barely beat C- players .... Jaedong's 3 hat before pool with a scout on 9 is an innovative build , that could revolutionize ZvT , the early larva you get from 3 hatches is pretty huge compared to the standart 3 hat build and i could see it being copied by other good zergs that know what they are doing . Also his early evo chambers and early carapace upgrades makes it a pretty good counter to Flash's aggresive middle game and a pretty good build in general . The fact that he is showing that zergs can pretty much be more greedy then a terran and be safe about it by scouting and countering appropriately what the terran is doing is pretty huge . So saying that Jaedong isn't an innovative player is just wrong . He didn't innovate much when he was stomping players left and right because he didn't need to . But when he is up against the monster that is Flash innovation is pretty much needed to survive against him . | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On January 30 2010 08:53 LucasWoJ wrote: And Jaedong created modern day zvz. Literally. Everything about it. No, that's not true at all. Muta micro for one was invented awhile ago, by [I think] JulyZerg, maybe Savior? He's certainly the best Zerg right now, but it's silly to paint him as the pioneer of all things Zerg. In any event, when is this going to get updated again? I'm guessing early Feb? Really has been completely dominate this and last season and definitely should be in the top 10, movie has really seemed to have lost his edge since losing to flash in the OSL quarterfinals and Sea seems to be middling of late. Kal is holding steady with strong play, but nothing dominating. Leta completely dominated last season (too soon to say for WL). Jaedong seems to be coming back strong, but Storku played amazing last season and (spoiler about WL) + Show Spoiler + has cleaned up Khan's mess in back to back games finishing off Fantasy after FBH and Jangbi bit in and then Really after he almost pulled a reverse all kill I'd probably have the top 10: 1. Flash 2. Storku 3. Jaedong 4. Really 5. Leta 6. Calm 7. Zero 8. Kwanro 9. Kal 10. ? Nobody really jumps out to me as a solid 10th. There's a couple guys that I could see in that area like Hiya or Roro, but they haven't done anything amazing for me. | ||
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