EPTOn January 03 2010 08:19 onewingedmoogle wrote:
what is CBNC ?
what is CBNC ?
Close but no cigar.
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KwarK
United States42015 Posts
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
On January 03 2010 06:55 SkytoM wrote: you are SO wrong about Bisu. he is so right, the individual leagues are a really good measure of who is on their game right now. | ||
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ndralcasid
United States524 Posts
And Bisu definitely deserved to be out of the list. Crashing out of both Starleagues early to people he shouldn't lose to and dropping games to the likes of Secret and Cuteangel in proleague says a lot about his current form right now. | ||
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SkytoM
Austria1137 Posts
On January 03 2010 08:22 Trezeguet23 wrote: he is so right, the individual leagues are a really good measure of who is on their game right now. but only the two in the Fall-Season, in later stages of PL no-one cares about SL's anymore. Also Bisu was one-click away from MSL Ro16. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On January 03 2010 08:09 SkytoM wrote: and this month, where he would deserve to be on it, he isn't. Look at his TLPD and say to my FACE that his PvZ doesnt look impressive again. Hi, my name's Bisu. I'm going to go 7-5 and drop out of the MSL this month after dropping to Bogus/Guemchi, and lose in PL to Haksoo and Frozean. BUT since I got revenge on Shine I should obviously be on the PR!!!! Honestly, here's Bisu's losses: Frozean (RUHHHHH-OFL) Stork (Fair enough, but BvP doesn't exist anymore. Why?) Haksoo (RUHHHHH-OFL) Bogus (not rofl worthy but come on, Bogus is not that great) Guemchi (Another stab to the heart of Bisu's "best" match up) And his wins? 815 (He's alright, but almost entirely a ZvZ sniper. Wasn't that good a game either) Reach (T_T I love you Reach but you are not that good anymore) Roro (he's okay. Good job, Bisu, proving that mediocre zergs are still mediocre) Shine (Honest to goodness good match that Bisu played to Bisu standards. That's one of 12 so far) Turn (Good comeback! Almost lost to a noobie Khan Terran, though =\) Hydra (reread Roro's explanation) Savior (Love ya, man, but you're like Hydra and Roro -- mediocre zerg who can kind of ZvP) That's it, Out of 12 games Bisu had 1, MAYBE 2 impressive games, and at the very least, 4 debilitating losses. His PvZ may be 'solid' again, but Stork has been proving his has caught up and surpassed for the past 2 months now. | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
On January 03 2010 07:35 iamho wrote: calm number 9? what the fuck? he went 11-5 in a month with 8 games against flash, shine, fantasy, zero, and effort. 2 hatch muta is a legitimate build too and its "just zvz" is a pretty bad excuse for calm going 6-1 this month in it also calm has won his most recent encounter with every player ranks 2-8 I agree here totally, and you really can't blame anyone for losing to Flash right now. | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On January 03 2010 08:05 ndralcasid wrote: When was the last time Bisu was out of the PR?? And damn, Movie needs a new picture... Bisu had #8 in the first PR, November of 2006. He doesn't show up again until March 2007, where he leaps immediately to #2 for obvious reasons. He doesn't fall off until June 2008, spending most of that time at #1. He comes back in at number 8 in October 2008, and stayed on until January 2010. | ||
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
I do think Kwanro and Calm should be switched, but that's minor. As for Sea? Look at his raw proleague record over the last two months. I have no idea how a player with that kind of talent can't even crack the upper tiers of the starleagues. | ||
rotinegg
United States1719 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On January 03 2010 08:24 Trezeguet23 wrote: I agree here totally, and you really can't blame anyone for losing to Flash right now.  ZerO had an awful month too. Calm and ZerO should be switched. | ||
Ver
United States2186 Posts
On January 03 2010 07:50 Plexa wrote: I encourage people to watch calm's play rather than just cite results. I know his result sheet is good, but the PR isn't just about results. He's probably, although not certain to say, the best ZvZ player around and his showing against Flash was very impressive and just looks bad because it is Flash. Zero might be slightly better at ZvT considering Calm's maps were much much more favorable (though Calm defended considerably better against Flash's new innovations) but it is pretty hilarious that arguably the best ZvZ'er and the 1st/2nd best ZvT'er is below...Shine Movie SEA and KWANRO? Seriously, Kwanro? And it really would've been hilarious if you put Flash at 1/2. He kinda does need all that room to explain just how awesome he's playing, though what you put was solid and succinct. | ||
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SkytoM
Austria1137 Posts
On January 03 2010 08:24 TwoToneTerran wrote: Hi, my name's Bisu. I'm going to go 7-5 and drop out of the MSL this month after dropping to Bogus/Guemchi, and lose in PL to Haksoo and Frozean. BUT since I got revenge on Shine I should obviously be on the PR!!!! Honestly, here's Bisu's losses: Frozean (RUHHHHH-OFL) Stork (Fair enough, but BvP doesn't exist anymore. Why?) Haksoo (RUHHHHH-OFL) Bogus (not rofl worthy but come on, Bogus is not that great) Guemchi (Another stab to the heart of Bisu's "best" match up) And his wins? 815 (He's alright, but almost entirely a ZvZ sniper. Wasn't that good a game either) Reach (T_T I love you Reach but you are not that good anymore) Roro (he's okay. Good job, Bisu, proving that mediocre zergs are still mediocre) Shine (Honest to goodness good match that Bisu played to Bisu standards. That's one of 12 so far) Turn (Good comeback! Almost lost to a noobie Khan Terran, though =\) Hydra (reread Roro's explanation) Savior (Love ya, man, but you're like Hydra and Roro -- mediocre zerg who can kind of ZvP) That's it, Out of 12 games Bisu had 1, MAYBE 2 impressive games, and at the very least, 4 debilitating losses. His PvZ may be 'solid' again, but Stork has been proving his has caught up and surpassed for the past 2 months now. Ok Frozean ( 2-fac push, thats cheese) guemchi ( one misclick ) Bogus ( cheese? ) Haksoo (Bo-Loss) Wins 815 ( the defense vs that 5-pool.. awesome ) Reach (good solid win) Roro (look at my anti-team and say Roro is only mediocre, also it was a ACE-Match) Shine ( you already mentioned ) Turn ( Good comeback is a little understatement, many people wanted that game to be Game of the Year 2009, that pushbreaking.. art ) Hydra ( ok ) Savior ( clutch play in a losing situation ) WTF kwanro, he played mediocre players at best all of december and rises two spots just cuz he's in the semi's of the OSL? bullshit, bisu being out of PR i can understand, shine being at #4 i can't, nor can i calm dropping even further; you can't just discount his zvz games because 'they can go either way,' this months PR is a load of crap. There were discussions about what the standards for each months PRs are, whether it should be based on a player's recent performance, or on his overall skill, and this PR is inconsistent with either view kwanro is in MSL. he also won a ace-match. he is PR-worthy. his place is maybe to high though. | ||
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Crunchums
United States11143 Posts
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
On January 03 2010 08:31 SkytoM wrote: Ok Frozean ( 2-fac push, thats cheese) guemchi ( one misclick ) Bogus ( cheese? ) Haksoo (Bo-Loss) CuteAngel - cheese he should be capable of stopping from a "worse" player by now. Guemchi - See Jaedong's Spire Cancel in the Jaedong/Bisu HBR game. Bogus - Was cheese, but the situation occured because Bisu failed to play up to his level. Haksoo - The only matchup where a build order loss should occur between S/High-A ranked players and random near-B-teamers is ZvZ. If Bisu can't outplay Haksoo to overcome a BO disadvantage, he really doesn't belong in the rankings. All four of those losses were really bad. For a player no longer in OSL or MSL, the caliber of his wins did absolutely nothing to affirm that he's anywhere near deserving of a PR spot, especially in such a strong month. Except for against by.hero, his play wasn't particularly strong last month either, but he wasn't punished for it. | ||
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
On January 03 2010 07:48 n.DieJokes wrote: Stork played one PvT this month, 1! Sure it was against FlaSh and sure it was a good game but its a ridiculous leap of faith to say his PvT is better than JD ZvP; especially since before that game Storks PvT wasn't anything special and this month JD was 5-0, all of which were one sided affairs. Storks PvP was pretty good this month but two of his games were against herb and han who both suck and gosi who is untested but very well might just suck; JD was also undefeated in his much more volatile mirror with the same numer of games and against a higher average opponent skill (Hogil and Roro are both good and Firefist best mu is ZvZ; before his games against JD he was 60% plus). Theres just no logical argument for Storks mirror being better than Jd's. And last but not least they're weaker mu, Stork went 4-4, JD 3-3; Stork lost against some very aggressive play and beat some very good players, JD raped a few very good players, lost one straight up game to the best player on earth with the strong mu of anyone in the scene (TvZ); lost a game to very cunning cheese and had a little slip up against sea. If anything I'd say in this respect they had an even month. In summary, JD ZvP is undeniably stronger than Storks PvT, his mirror is at the very least as good but probably better and they're statistically weakest mu's about even (even though I personally think JD ZvT has always been better that Storks PvZ and he didn't really have a chance to show it this month). Beyond that, JD is still in a league, that should be the final nail in any argument that Stork should be higher than JD. Come on, jaedong beat roro, hogil, firefist x2. They all can be considered as mediocre~decent zergs who is just playing slightly better or (worse in hogil's case) at the current moment. Stork has beaten best and bisu, who although slumping, still have sick pvp. Stork's mirror match up is looking better than jaedong's. Stork's pvz is also much more impressive than jaedong's zvt. Stork beat shine, zero x2, and kwanro, all decent~awesome zergs. Jaedong beat ruby, go.go, and canata. Theres no way that ruby, go.go, canata can compete with shine, zero x2, and kwanro. Stork's losses were also shine x2, by.hero, effort. Shine is displaying some of the best pvz right now and effort and by.hero are all good pvzer. Jaedong's loss similarly matches stork with flash x2 and sea. They way that they lost were pretty similar too. Sure stork played one pvt, but it was v flash and he won pretty convincingly. He had control for pretty much the whole game except the time when flash was doing his little push. Beating flash convincingly is much more impressive than bunch of little wins in your best match up. Sure movie is good pvz, but he is not up at the level where he can perform consistently yet. Being in a starleague also means nothing since stork and jaedong were knocked out of osl at the same time and stork was knocked of msl a while back. Stork is playing much better than he did during his msl games. Stork is 10-4 last month while jaedong is 13-3. Both player's loss came from their worst matchup, but Stork's record is much more impressive since 8/14 games were on his worst match up, while jaedong's were only 6/16. While close, stork edges jaedong out on this one. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
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KwarK
United States42015 Posts
On January 03 2010 08:44 Avidkeystamper wrote: You honestly think Jaedong could've reacted better to Flash's bunker rush after losing an overlord? Like selling hatchery instead of dying? Cause that would have helped. | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On January 03 2010 08:44 Avidkeystamper wrote: You honestly think Jaedong could've reacted better to Flash's bunker rush after losing an overlord? Well, I still wonder if he could bring his drones just a bit earlier to prevent the bunker going down so quickly. Just a second or two would have a great difference. But to be honest, I believe, that even had he defended he would be incredibly behind. That game was lost after the ovie was killed. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 03 2010 08:41 n.DieJokes wrote: That's why Hiya played the most recent ace match right? Yes Jaedong has always carried Oz. And If Oz slumped terribly and came back in December then I would have said that Jaedong is the sole reason that Oz stopped sucking. That's just not the case this month however (they didn't suck this month thats why). I'm not saying Jaedong is bad, I'm saying that in december Stork was the stronger player.No response, I guess I'll continue. You say Stork is "the sole reason for Khans revival" and a "consistant ace player"; Jaedong has always carried Oz on his back, his record in pl is better and he's still undefeated in ace matchs. Also, using JD's one game vs. FlaSh as a yard stick is ridiculous; for the first game his practice time was split 3 different ways and he said he was focusing more on the MSL. Also, he went first! Every other player got to watch that game an analyze what went wrong, did you see any other players try and 3 hatch flash, no? I wonder why... No, I'm using Flash as a universal yard stick. Three good zergs went up against him and each series revealed a lot about their condition. Jaedong's attention was split three ways, but so was Zeros (who played 20+ games this month more than anyone else) who was also up against Flash, and who actually played Flash first! So yea, who had the harder time this month? Zero, not jaedong... On January 03 2010 08:48 Lebesgue wrote: This, and what Kwark said. Flash did pull ahead after he got the overlord - but Jaedong still played the rest of the game poorly. The way he attacked that bunker was really really bad and sealed his fate in a matter of minutes.Well, I still wonder if he could bring his drones just a bit earlier to prevent the bunker going down so quickly. Just a second or two would have a great difference. But to be honest, I believe, that even had he defended he would be incredibly behind. That game was lost after the ovie was killed. | ||
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