What the hell, Clam is pretty much a consensus #3 and this rank makes no sense whatsoever, if you really would put money on Kwanro over Calm i'll place some bets with you quite happily.

HaXXspetten

Sweden15718 Posts

January 02 2010 22:44 GMT

#22

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johanes

Czech Republic2229 Posts

January 02 2010 22:44 GMT

#23

On January 03 2010 07:39 tedster wrote:
What the hell, Clam is pretty much a consensus #3 and this rank makes no sense whatsoever, if you really would put money on Kwanro over Calm i'll place some bets with you quite happily.

There wouldn't be any reason to make PR if it was based on consensus, they could just do poll. Also, i'm convinced that some choices were made just to encourage discussion/drama(conspiracy!).

luckybeni2

Germany1065 Posts

January 02 2010 22:45 GMT

#24

I don't think movie deserved to be even neer that position. The only high caliber player he beat was zero and I just dont think that is enough to be placed so high. Otherwise I'm ok with most of the rest (maybe kwanro is a little weaker but the lower half of the rank is always hard to place

NovaTheFeared

United States7229 Posts

January 02 2010 22:46 GMT

#25

Pretty shitty power rank overall. Stork is too high and Calm is ridiculously low. It has a lot of the right names, but in all the wrong places (except for Flash, of course).

n.DieJokes

United States3443 Posts

January 02 2010 22:48 GMT

#26

Stork played one PvT this month, 1! Sure it was against FlaSh and sure it was a good game but its a ridiculous leap of faith to say his PvT is better than JD ZvP; especially since before that game Storks PvT wasn't anything special and this month JD was 5-0, all of which were one sided affairs. Storks PvP was pretty good this month but two of his games were against herb and han who both suck and gosi who is untested but very well might just suck; JD was also undefeated in his much more volatile mirror with the same numer of games and against a higher average opponent skill (Hogil and Roro are both good and Firefist best mu is ZvZ; before his games against JD he was 60% plus). Theres just no logical argument for Storks mirror being better than Jd's. And last but not least they're weaker mu, Stork went 4-4, JD 3-3; Stork lost against some very aggressive play and beat some very good players, JD raped a few very good players, lost one straight up game to the best player on earth with the strong mu of anyone in the scene (TvZ); lost a game to very cunning cheese and had a little slip up against sea. If anything I'd say in this respect they had an even month. In summary, JD ZvP is undeniably stronger than Storks PvT, his mirror is at the very least as good but probably better and they're statistically weakest mu's about even (even though I personally think JD ZvT has always been better that Storks PvZ and he didn't really have a chance to show it this month). Beyond that, JD is still in a league, that should be the final nail in any argument that Stork should be higher than JD.

Plexa

Aotearoa39261 Posts

January 02 2010 22:50 GMT

#27

I encourage people to watch calm's play rather than just cite results. I know his result sheet is good, but the PR isn't just about results.

Camlito

Australia4040 Posts

January 02 2010 22:53 GMT

#28

Thankyou for the calm explanation.

Vasoline73

United States7816 Posts

January 02 2010 22:54 GMT

#29

Plexa write the rank every month :D

ndralcasid

United States524 Posts

January 02 2010 23:05 GMT

#30

When was the last time Bisu was out of the PR??

And damn, Movie needs a new picture...

OpticalShot

Canada6330 Posts

January 02 2010 23:05 GMT

#31

yay stork rank 2! =)

Jakalo

Latvia2350 Posts

January 02 2010 23:06 GMT

#32

Go Shine for #1 n_n

Good power rank imo.

TwoToneTerran

United States8841 Posts

January 02 2010 23:08 GMT

#33

On January 03 2010 08:05 ndralcasid wrote:
When was the last time Bisu was out of the PR??

And damn, Movie needs a new picture...

almost never. Even when he deserved to be sometimes, he still got #3 positions in the like because "Bisu's obviously a top 3 player," works for him. ):

SkytoM

Austria1137 Posts

January 02 2010 23:09 GMT

#34

On January 03 2010 08:08 TwoToneTerran wrote:

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almost never. Even when he deserved to be sometimes, he still got #3 positions in the like because "Bisu's obviously a top 3 player," works for him. ):

and this month, where he would deserve to be on it, he isn't. Look at his TLPD and say to my FACE that his PvZ doesnt look impressive again.

Plexa

Aotearoa39261 Posts

January 02 2010 23:10 GMT

#35

On January 03 2010 08:09 SkytoM wrote:

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and this month, where he would deserve to be on it, he isn't. Look at his TLPD and say to my FACE that his PvZ doesnt look impressive again.

It doesn't look impressive.

KwarK

United States43203 Posts

January 02 2010 23:11 GMT

#36

I totally agree about Movie. For the last 3 months he's been the Protoss I've been most eager to watch. With Bisu and Stork I know what I'm getting, top quality standard PvZ. But Jaedong worked out how to play against them and every good zerg can emulate it.
Movie shows innovation, he stays on 2 bases when everyone else takes 3 and then throws out an unstoppable timing attack and wins. He messes around with reavers, shuttle openings, macro backed up with constant harass. In many ways he's a throwback to Bisu in the months directly after the MSL win when zergs just didn't know what to do. He has such a variety of openings which allow him to dominate the game flow and transition into massive, game ending, attacks. He is really unpolished right now and has been fortunate that his opponents treat him like just another Protoss but it's working for him. Still, I feel if players started suiciding overlords in his main more often early game he'd lose to the superior mechanics of zergs.

tree.hugger

Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts

January 02 2010 23:12 GMT

#37

On January 03 2010 08:10 Plexa wrote:

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It doesn't look impressive.

It really wasn't that great.

I think it's difficult to take good players off the rank entirely and for that, I'm disappointed to see fantasy and EffOrt go, but I understand why it occurred, and I am so happy to have PR's that actually reflect the play that occurred in the past month. I know that EffOrt will come roaring back. That said, ZerO didn't deserve that spot. He had a terrible month.

Also, this is the highest Shine will ever get. Good riddance.

On January 03 2010 08:05 ndralcasid wrote:
When was the last time Bisu was out of the PR??

September of 2008.

And Fantasy is out for the first time since April.

SkytoM

Austria1137 Posts

January 02 2010 23:12 GMT

#38

On January 03 2010 08:10 Plexa wrote:

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It doesn't look impressive.

whatever i'm not in a good mood. Bisu is on the decline, i think he will never win a SL again. I'm just sad that he didn't win this MSL, because with this maps he really could have.

It really wasn't that great.

I think it's difficult to take good players off the rank entirely and for that, I'm disappointed to see fantasy and EffOrt go, but I understand why it occurred, and I am so happy to have PR's that actually reflect the play that occurred in the past month. I know that EffOrt will come roaring back.

Also, this is the highest Shine will ever get. Good riddance.

right.. effort even beat stork that month, and fantasy calm. The thing that bothers me is that shine beats one good player this month ( bisu was last ), and climbs to #4. His PL is not impressive AT ALL