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On November 30 2009 10:27 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 08:48 pripple wrote:
hehe i like your PR tree.hugger, you guys are right about Really nobody ever notices him.
quite harsh to drop Calm straight to CBNC but maybe he deserves it :o The man (or his impostor, depending on who you believe) went 2-6 this month. He's been total garbage. Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 07:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
No way on fucking earth should EffOrt be ahead of Stork Why though? Both have played some good people, both have about the same record, but  Stork lost his MSL group 0-2. It really wasn't even as though he had the group of death, he lost to a decent terran, and a decent protoss. That said, with the ranking that I put up, 3-5 are very close. I switched them around a bit.  EffOrt is still in his leagues though (tenuously in the OSL, of course), won the head-to-head against ZerO, and has played quite well. ZerO has been playing awesome, and is in good position in the OSL. That left Stork who's OSL loss kinda shattered the aura he had been putting together recently.
effort hasn't done anything huge as of now, his only individual league game he loses
and looking at how protoss are struggling because of match up imbalances and map imbas, stork is doing really really well
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Just when I thought JD would lose his #2 spot to Stork after all, Stork disappoints too lol.
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I really feel that JD should drop to 3.
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On November 30 2009 20:15 Orbifold wrote:
I really feel that JD should drop to 3.
I'd agree if his losses were ZvPs or ZvTs, but they are ZvZs.
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On November 30 2009 20:22 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 20:15 Orbifold wrote:
I really feel that JD should drop to 3. I'd agree if his losses were ZvPs or ZvTs, but they are ZvZs.
If ZvZs are such a crap shoot, then I am sure you didn't give him credit in the past for an 80% win rate in the MU because it is just a crap shoot after all.
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On November 30 2009 20:22 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 20:15 Orbifold wrote:
I really feel that JD should drop to 3. I'd agree if his losses were ZvPs or ZvTs, but they are ZvZs.
Yes, clearly if he loses in a matchup people used to praise him for, so much so that they even dubbed it as its own matchup (JvZ), it shouldn't matter. Mirrors might as well not even exist. Therefore, Flash's TvT win streak shouldn't matter either, right? I mean, if that was a TvZ or TvP win streak, it might mean something. </sarcasm>
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lolol snap
Stork from 10-0 to 0-4, this is one streaky game I suppose
this reminds me of that time when Flash went from 12-0 to 0-4 within a span of 3 days
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On November 30 2009 21:00 samachking wrote:
JD redeemed himself
#2
Yep, JD didnt choke while Stork did.
Savior is 2-1 this month! =)
poor riptide, Stork failed tonight so did Effort. Finding #3 will be damn hard.
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On November 30 2009 21:07 SuperArc wrote:Yep, JD didnt choke while Stork did. Savior is 2-1 this month! =) poor riptide, Stork failed tonight so did Effort. Finding #3 will be damn hard.
losing to JD is not failing + he played a good game vs Perfectman
Zero/Effort for #3
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Flash and JD are No1 and 2. After that I have absolutely no clue at all.
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On November 30 2009 21:15 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 21:07 SuperArc wrote:On November 30 2009 21:00 samachking wrote:
JD redeemed himself
#2 Yep, JD didnt choke while Stork did. Savior is 2-1 this month! =) poor riptide, Stork failed tonight so did Effort. Finding #3 will be damn hard. losing to JD is not failing + he played a good game vs Perfectman Zero/Effort for #3
Yeah sorry I didn't mean fail, I meant lost (his third loss this month).
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Russian Federation405 Posts
JD’s overall JvZ record:
152 games — 114 wins — 38 losses (75%) [75%—it’s JvZ MU]
Flash’s overall TvT record:
119 games — 85 wins — 34 losses (71.4%) [it’s exellent but itsn’t 75% MU]
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And when in SC terms anything over 65% is dominance in a MU - unreal.
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On November 30 2009 20:31 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 20:22 SuperArc wrote:On November 30 2009 20:15 Orbifold wrote:
I really feel that JD should drop to 3. I'd agree if his losses were ZvPs or ZvTs, but they are ZvZs. Yes, clearly if he loses in a matchup people used to praise him for, so much so that they even dubbed it as its own matchup (JvZ), it shouldn't matter. Mirrors might as well not even exist. Therefore, Flash's TvT win streak shouldn't matter either, right? I mean, if that was a TvZ or TvP win streak, it might mean something. </sarcasm>
I know you're being sarcastic but have you seen Flash's TvZ win streak?
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United States10328 Posts
flash
jaedong
effort?
zero?
stork?
:/ sighhh stork STOP LOSINGGG
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On November 30 2009 21:30 nonduc wrote:
JD’s overall JvZ record:
152 games — 114 wins — 38 losses (75%) [75%—it’s JvZ MU]
Flash’s overall TvT record:
119 games — 85 wins — 34 losses (71.4%) [it’s exellent but itsn’t 75% MU]
On November 30 2009 21:59 Musoeun wrote:
And when in SC terms anything over 65% is dominance in a MU - unreal.
Not the point: no one is arguing that historically, Jaedong's ZvZ was amazing, to the point where it still lifts up his overall record, but when a man who was 80% in a match-up goes 56.25% in that match-up over the last 5 months, it's safe to say that his dominance in that match-up has slipped. Jaedong is still great, but "JvZ" is an outdated term.
By contrast, Flash's recent record in TvT is a ridiculous 94.12% over the last six months (17 games, excluding two showmatches that he lost to Sea and Leta). (Jaedong's ZvZ record over that time period is 60.53%). For that matter, Flash's TvZ in the same time period is a ridiculous 81.48%. In short, in terms of current form, Jaedong's dominance of these match-ups does not even approach Flash's.
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Russian Federation405 Posts
It’s "funny statistics" with all of "excludings". :D
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There's one pair of games in one match-up that is excluded--the showmatches--and that wasn't my idea: games like that are not counted in Kespa's statistics, nor in the ones given by TLPD (at the top of the page). There's some logic to that--if you count meaningless games, why not count practice games? Of course, we don't have any way of doing that.
In any case, if you want to count them, go ahead--I can see the argument for counting them too. Even then, Flash's recent record in his mirror match-up (a mere 84%) would still be much, much better than JD's over the same period. Count the games or don't, but don't seize on them as a pretext to dismiss the facts as "funny statistics".
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Russian Federation405 Posts
Your "idea" of excudings is out of logic: The STX Masters was KeSPA sanctioned. And Ultimate Proleague Championship was sanctioned by KeSPA too. But GOM Classic 3 wasn’t — but you count wins and loss in it. 
If you start to count games — count them all; if they were games between progamers in Korean or in International tournament.
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