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Orbifold
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1922 Posts
September 07 2009 06:49 GMT
#221
On September 04 2009 20:54 ghostWriter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2009 16:15 lazz wrote:
On September 04 2009 14:05 Severedevil wrote:
On September 04 2009 13:05 ghostWriter wrote:
On September 04 2009 13:02 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Bunkers and marines are completely useless without backup against ranged goons. There's a high win ratio when Protoss loses their 12 nex against a normal terran opening. I don't recall any games where they lost actually, but a lot where they've won.


Actually, as a protoss, you can just walk past the bunker and your shields will regenerate by the time you get to the opponent's base. I remember a game on heartbreak where an aggressive terran (maybe iris) went for a 2 fact push and crushed the toss. It's so lame how protosses can lose their nexuses and still be ahead =/


If a single-bunker rush off one barracks tends to lose to 12nex after taking down the nexus, perhaps it's not a good counter to 12nex. There's options. (Less so on 4player maps. I don't like them because of that random luck factor.)

Maybe an M&M rush timed before goon range would be a good way to punish late tech. Or just 2facs (Liquipedia seems to like the hyper-aggressive 2fac builds, like Joyo or Gundam, against nexus-first builds) . Or just scout in time that your SCV can either block his nexus or fast expand yourself...

there have been a couple threads about 12 nex in the past. according to idra, if toss 12 nex and the terran did a standard build there's basically nothing you can do to counter. even bunker rushing and successfully taking down the nex will still result with the toss having the edge

best way to deal with it is to just expand yourself and take the slight disadvantage. if you notice toss's 12 nexing a lot then open up with a barracks first build/proxy barracks more often.

edit: oh and absolutely never never never respond to 12 nex with a 2 fac. it won't work, 12 nex is engineered to defend from 2 fac. a couple probes are cut to get 2 gates and range done quite quick and if he sees your 2 facing he'll just add another gate and its gg.


How does double expanding with siege fare against a 12 nex? I've done it successfully on maps like Medusa where it's easy to get your third, but I guess trying it on a map like heartbreak ridge would lead to a bad result.
If you can get a lucky mine to explode, your 2fact will be probably be successful, but people have such good micro now, that it's hard to get anything at all and if your push gets destroyed, you're pretty much screwed.


It is super map Dependant, you need to be able to mostly cover your nat and 3rd with the same group of tanks. Otherwise you will get chewed up by range goons before tank density gets high enough.
Allow me to reintroduce myself...
MaTaAeRuKaNa
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States95 Posts
September 07 2009 09:01 GMT
#222
world of warcraft(hell, any warcraft for that matter) is to starcraft as SSBB is to SSBM
Luddite wrote: Tentacle monster: Basically a sunken colony with legs, and multiple tentacles to attack with. It gets bonus damage vs. large units and Japanese school girls.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-07 09:11:11
September 07 2009 09:09 GMT
#223
Shunned by supposed holier-than-thou purists of one game just because they believe their game is objectively better, despite the fact that competitiveness and support in any kind of e-sport helps the movement for mainstream acceptance as a whole?


Haha I'm just pulling your chain. The former games require less technical proficiency at the highest level and are generally slower paced.

Though my quip at E-sports purists probably applies too.
Remember Violet.
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
September 07 2009 09:45 GMT
#224
On September 07 2009 18:01 MaTaAeRuKaNa wrote:
world of warcraft(hell, any warcraft for that matter) is to starcraft as SSBB is to SSBM

Nah. SSB64 is to SSBB is to SSBM as Starcraft is to Warcraft III is to Warcraft II.

Likewise, Starcraft is to Warcraft III as Warcraft III is to DOTA and as DOTA is to World of Warcraft.
My strategy is to fork people.
haley
Profile Joined February 2009
64 Posts
September 08 2009 14:10 GMT
#225
On September 07 2009 18:45 Severedevil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2009 18:01 MaTaAeRuKaNa wrote:
world of warcraft(hell, any warcraft for that matter) is to starcraft as SSBB is to SSBM

Nah. SSB64 is to SSBB is to SSBM as Starcraft is to Warcraft III is to Warcraft II.

Likewise, Starcraft is to Warcraft III as Warcraft III is to DOTA and as DOTA is to World of Warcraft.

It terms of competitive depths, it's SSBM is to SSB64 is to SSBB as Starcraft is to Warcraft III is to Warcraft II.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
September 09 2009 05:38 GMT
#226
The most important thing is that WoW is BORING to watch. Seriously, that's the #1 determining factor for any e-sport: Is it fun to watch?

For Starcraft the answer is a resounding 'Yes'. WoW is really shitty to watch, and the poor balance (resulting in half the teams at every tournament being Rogue-Mage-Priest) doesn't help either. Also, the luck factor is too high. Do you really want to watch the after-battle report showing that the 'defining moment' was that a spell got resisted? ZzZzZZZzz.....
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
September 09 2009 13:31 GMT
#227
chavi should be on next pr lulzzzz
Dgtl
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada889 Posts
September 12 2009 00:44 GMT
#228
On September 09 2009 14:38 Hinanawi wrote:
The most important thing is that WoW is BORING to watch. Seriously, that's the #1 determining factor for any e-sport: Is it fun to watch?

For Starcraft the answer is a resounding 'Yes'. WoW is really shitty to watch, and the poor balance (resulting in half the teams at every tournament being Rogue-Mage-Priest) doesn't help either. Also, the luck factor is too high. Do you really want to watch the after-battle report showing that the 'defining moment' was that a spell got resisted? ZzZzZZZzz.....

RMP combo is probably 90% TBH. It is pretty bad. In the Swiss tournament on Gom there were like 2 or 3 teams that were not RMP so it does get boring really quickly.
To compare to SC it would be like watching tvt, pvp or zvz (not all but one) for every matchup. Sure it can be entertaining but eventually after the 20th game, it gets bad.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8179 Posts
September 12 2009 20:46 GMT
#229
is there going to be a PR for September? It seems pretty pointless since so many players arent playing.
Free Palestine
Nylan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States795 Posts
September 13 2009 06:09 GMT
#230
STX SF team #1 PR
BeSt/Pure/Canata/Calm - I believe in Doh Jae Wook
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
September 13 2009 07:05 GMT
#231
Chavi #1 PR. Undefeated!
Jaedong
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
September 13 2009 15:17 GMT
#232
+ Show Spoiler +
STX raped SKT1? Whats going on...Bisu/Fantasy raped? I guess the huge vacation had an impact on them
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
September 13 2009 17:30 GMT
#233
It's a showmatch.
Remember Violet.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
September 13 2009 20:07 GMT
#234
By.hero would have raped Bisu in an official match too.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-13 20:29:16
September 13 2009 20:29 GMT
#235
But no one cares...now if Bisu went to Thailand and lost.
Jaedong
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2246 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-14 11:52:30
September 14 2009 11:50 GMT
#236
On September 14 2009 05:07 SuperArc wrote:
By.hero had raped Bisu in an official match too.

fixed, already happened
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88876
Orbifold
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1922 Posts
September 19 2009 16:56 GMT
#237
I am kind of worried about Bisu. He has the same amazing strategy and game sense as always, but he seems a little slower lately. Iris would have never taken game 5 off him 6 months ago... same with the recent by.hero game. It seems like it could be a hand/wrist issue, I really hope that I am wrong.
Allow me to reintroduce myself...
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
September 23 2009 14:47 GMT
#238
Wtf, so few comments in this PR. Let the next one be more controversial please
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
September 23 2009 21:56 GMT
#239
On September 23 2009 23:47 Scorch wrote:
Wtf, so few comments in this PR. Let the next one be more controversial please

bump down jaedong a few notches and kick bisu off the list and you'll get comments alright.
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
September 24 2009 14:21 GMT
#240
On September 23 2009 23:47 Scorch wrote:
Wtf, so few comments in this PR. Let the next one be more controversial please

no games to fight about... maybe the All stars match will restart the topic for a bit
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
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