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MURICA15980 Posts
On November 17 2008 09:34 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
I was way ahead but I really didn't think RaGe would be able to get vults out of that proxy fact. Hence I just kept making zealots.
My fault for not putting a cannon down regardless. It's why I lost. The premature GG was to try and rub it in RaGes face because I have been doing all this trashtalk on the forums and he never said a word back. I thought I had won but now you all see what happens to arrogant players. ^^
I had alot of fun and RaGe had a right to rub it back at us. We did pretty terribad. ^^ Next time Gadget! Next time!
Yeah haha I applaud that GG. It fit the idea of the match perfectly. But life made it better for us and let Rage come back for some major irony. Haha. GG dude.
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On November 17 2008 13:29 Klogon wrote:
The reason they were chosen is because of their personality and propensity to make such comments. To make them apologize now is like electing Obama and then telling him he has to be white.
huh? so you're saying that tl fully supports the degree of trash talking? seems to me that a lot of people agree that there are some issues with the comments. but its ok now, since slav does not want one. also your analogy... WTF are you talking about... i don't understand
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South Africa4316 Posts
On November 17 2008 12:41 yoinkity wrote:
i think rage and chill need to seriously apologize to the entire community. merely trying to laugh it off is quite cowardly.
I'd just like to point out that while I too feel a bit sorry for what happened, there's no way in hell I think they need to apologize. The grudge match has always been exactly that, a grudge match, and that includes trashtalking, been badly mannered, and all the rest that goes with that. SC2GG knew what they signed up for, the saw the trashtalking before the match, they should have seen the match with gg.net
Just because they got completely walked over does not mean that what Rage and Chill did was unreasonable. The commentator's role should be to trashtalk, and Chill and Rage did that well. Seriously, just like Chill didn't hold back in playing against Salv, so should he not hold back in trashtalking against Moletrap, except perhaps to save TL fans from awkwardness.
Seriously, the purpose of the commentating was trashtalking. Just because Chill and Rage ran over moletrap (no offense to you moletrap, difficult to cast for the losing team) does not mean that they have to apologize for doing what they were supposed to do well. The players (and commentator) from SC2GG knew what they signed up for, and they took their defeat like men. Let's not disrespect their good sportmanship (and good sportmanship can include trashtalking when that is the sport at hand) by complaining about it now. They knew what they signed up for, they lost, they took those losses graciously. Good game.
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Washington, D.C9935 Posts
On November 17 2008 12:41 yoinkity wrote:
i think rage and chill need to seriously apologize to the entire community. merely trying to laugh it off is quite cowardly.
what are they trying to laugh off? talking trash in a grudgematch? aside from harsh words being part of the definition of a grudgematch, just imagine how boring it would be to watch these low level games with standard straight-faced commentary. while having 'maturity' (something many comments accuse us of lacking) involves taking things seriously when it is necessary, it also requires the ability to recognize when something is for fun or in jest. have enough confidence to throw insults out and take them without getting deeply offended at every stupid little comment.
i understand that it ended up being rather mean, but demanding an apology seems ridiculous to me. sc2gg knew what chill or rage would be dishing out, since we do the same thing for all of our non-serious broadcasts. the fact that it was 7-0 with TL pride and excitement brimming and moletrap being simply too nice of a guy and quiet to put up a fight for sc2gg contributes a lot to the one-sided beating at the end.
if you watched the prematch games from last week, the chill vs psyonicreaver commentary was immensely enjoyable and lacked those awkward punching-bag moments. not placing blame on anyone for how this showmatch turned out for many sc2gg fans (though personally i found it very fun and successful), just saying what 'fault' there is lies in nobody's hands. of course we could have done a better job and toned it down, but at the same time being so uptight and serious about the commentary is petty.
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Braavos36402 Posts
On November 17 2008 13:49 yoinkity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2008 13:29 Klogon wrote:
The reason they were chosen is because of their personality and propensity to make such comments. To make them apologize now is like electing Obama and then telling him he has to be white. huh? so you're saying that tl fully supports the degree of trash talking? seems to me that a lot of people agree that there are some issues with the comments. but its ok now, since slav does not want one. also your analogy... WTF are you talking about... i don't understand
he's saying what Chill said was 100% expected and its not his fault (or moletrap's fault) that mole didn't have much material to trash talk back with
as for rage, yes i agree he could've been less aggressive or harsh, but remember he was just coming off a game where he barely won and the opponent fast GG'd him, anyone in that situation would be pumped up and overexcited
i'm saying if the sc2gg staff don't take offense and we're all cool with them (the IRC channel was basically our staff holding hands and singing kumbaya) then i don't see why anyone else would take offense. if one of our players lost and moletrap talked a lot of smack i would believe it to be 100% justified. in fact, i was expecting it, like PsyReaver's premature GG.
so in summary, yeah we could've been a bit more gracious at the end, but given the circumstances i don't think it was that bad, especially since we're all cool now. i can't speak for everyone, but i gained a lot of respect for mole, cholera, psyreaver etc throughout the course of the past week (even if they did lose 0-7), and since better relations between staff was the goal, the showmatch was a success.
we're on the internet to escape and entertain ourselves from the boringness of real life, lets indulge ourselves at least a little bit in spectacle and drama for fun things like this ok? for some of us this is our only chance at a broadcast game or proleague-style pride match, lets not dampen the experience with a blanket of excessive moderation.
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Washington, D.C9935 Posts
why am i always the last to respond to anything, jeez
edit: oh nevermind hotbid is this time
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South Africa4316 Posts
On November 17 2008 13:49 yoinkity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2008 13:29 Klogon wrote:
The reason they were chosen is because of their personality and propensity to make such comments. To make them apologize now is like electing Obama and then telling him he has to be white. huh? so you're saying that tl fully supports the degree of trash talking? seems to me that a lot of people agree that there are some issues with the comments. but its ok now, since slav does not want one. also your analogy... WTF are you talking about... i don't understand
The only reason why people (from TL, who understand what this is about) say that maybe the commentaries were too rough, was because they were too one sided. However, the fact that Moletrap remained in, and remained a sport under a constant barrage of attacks, I think, reflects well on both him and Chill.
The commentary was always going to be like a boxing match with no holds barred. Just because Chill found out that Moletrap's punches were lighter does not mean that he can just stop punching properly himself. The fact that Moletrap stayed in till the end, knowing he could not win, means he deserves respect in the same way a boxer does who holds out till the end, knowing he is going to lose on points. Chill gave it is his all, and Moletrap survived, so well done to them both. It is unfortunate that Moletrap couldn't really punch back (whether due to his disposition or to the matches, I don't know), but you can't blame the other guy for doing (what he was supposed to do) well.
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South Africa4316 Posts
On November 17 2008 14:03 Zidane wrote:
offensive gg?
When you tell the opponent "gg" when he is losing, but before he calls it himself. You tell him that it's over for him.
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Just like when TL told us the whole time they were going to 7-0 us. It's kinda like that.
Except they really did 7-0 us.
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South Africa4316 Posts
On November 17 2008 14:22 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Just like when TL told us the whole time they were going to 7-0 us. It's kinda like that.
Except they really did 7-0 us.
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Yes in that game it was offensive in the sense that it takes the initiative, not in the sense that other people get offended by it. Just like TL calling 7-0 
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Braavos36402 Posts
psy be proud you were the guy who got the closest
if only instead of pressing enter and typing gg you clicked a probe and pressed bc
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Xeo was the one who did the klazart's rap? He really did sound like klazart
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On November 17 2008 14:22 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Just like when TL told us the whole time they were going to 7-0 us. It's kinda like that.
Except they really did 7-0 us.
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lol
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gg had probably one game which they were able to beat and that was psy vs. rage
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If only combat had helped out sc2gg hahahha
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On November 17 2008 15:27 DIMJkE wrote:
If only combat had helped out sc2gg hahahha
Screw that. We needed Peanut today.
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Austin10833 Posts
haha props to moletrap for hangin in there despite getting no help from his team. this was fun to watch and i get the feeling some of you didn't understand the nature of this match.
anyhow, thx sc2gg for being good sports
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On November 17 2008 13:29 Klogon wrote:
The reason they were chosen is because of their personality and propensity to make such comments. To make them apologize now is like electing Obama and then telling him he has to be white.
Wow let me save that as my quote please...
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