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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-03 23:26:03
October 03 2008 22:09 GMT
#1
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thanks, pachi!

The coach matches amused, as did the team inters - check them out if you haven't seen them yet. Yet they were just a prelude to a drastically revamped version of PL. A new season begins this week, as the special event-filled offseason draws to a close. This time around, 2v2 has been removed and replaced with another mano-a-mano duel. Furthermore, new rules have been put into play regarding standings, logistics, and ceremonies (sorry, FBH fans).

I will be previewing the upcoming week, seeing what's what by team.


This Week's Highlights

Air Force ACE

The conspicuous absence of BoxeR from their first-match lineup does not augur well. Also, teamplay, a card that has traditionally favored ACE, has been removed. Though MuMyung and Oversky won their GOM matches, I fear they will be overmatched. Rage and Sunny are horrid - No idea why they're not using DaeZang and BoxeR, respectively. I look forward to Reach, Casy, and Anytime finishing basic; ACE needs the boost.

CJ Entus

An easy match against ACE. If sAviOr loses to MuMyung, Prince of Zerg or no, I'll feel terribly bad for HotBid. Actually, if any of CJ's players lose against that lineup, it'll be embarassing. Not much to see. Curiously, no EffOrt, despite Coach Cho and sAviOr hyping him up.

eSTRO

With new coaching, they should perform better this year. A nasty first match against KTF isn't the best way to start, though. Their only hope is to have funny win on the somewhat Terranish map Sword in the Moon, while UpMagic cheeses out Lucifer. Not likely, though. Against Woongjin they're slightly better off, but teams with new sponsors traditionally do well - a bad opening schedule for eStro overall.

KTF MagicNs

KTF is flexing its Real Madrid of e-Sports muscles. Buying Luxury makes them look downright scary, since the Flash/Luxury double combo is almost two guaranteed points every time. Easy matches against low-level teams will also help grease the KTF war machine as it plods on towards the first-place rank. Bringing on H.O.T. as a coach would have helped their 2v2 a lot, but that match has been removed. KTF as a 1v1 team is just... strange. Teamplay was always their strongsuit. I just hope they don't drop matches stupidly like they always used to.

Lecaf Oz

Another ProLeague favorite has lost its Protoss ace in the form of Anytime, but Backho will pick up the slack! ... Well, Jaedong/Lomo/ForGG isn't bad, and their first opponent is underwhelming. Jaedong vs Yarnc might be fun, if you like the matchup. In the battle against T1, though, both teams are pulling all the stops - ForGG vs Canata, Jaedong vs Best. That one match will play a huge part in teams' relative perception in this season.

MBCGame HERO

What was once the giant of ProLeague has been faltering as of late. Losing July and Bisu while PuSan is nowhere to be seen - not so good. They still haven't recovered entirely from those losses, as Sea's amazing performance isn't backed up by much else. Jaehoon and Hyun are the players to watch here; a strong Terran line of Sea/Light/Ruby needs other races to reinforce it.

OnGameNet SPARKYZ

Quite frankly, without Luxury, this team is dead. It's got nothing going for it. Good 2v2 and Luxury kept it in the upper echelon last year against all odds, but nothing can save it now. Let's all point and laugh at that poseur Yarnc. I feel sorry for Zeus though.

Samsung KHAN

Another one of the big four teams enters this season with a lineup very similar to last season [exactly the same]. However, this team is one that has relied on 2v2 to augment its 1v1, so that's something to watch out for. Also, racial balance has never been too good - Protoss powerhouses in Stork and Jangbi have little help from other sectors. Firebathero and FrOzean are terribly inconsistent, and they have no Zerg aces to speak of. They got a good draw against T1, and Sparkyz are a weak team, but I still don't think they'll do as well this season as last. Jangbi vs Midas will be good.

SK Telecom T1

If KTF is Real Madrid, T1 is Barca. They even have those nasty stripey uniforms, albeit with different width and colors. They have a remarkably hard opening schedule, facing both KHAN and OZ; both playdays are filled with awesome matches, though. Jangbi vs Midas, Canata vs ForGG, Best vs Jaedong. Their performance against these two rivals will set the note for the rest of their season: T1 resurgent, or the lacklustre T1 of 07? I'm guessing the first.

STX SouL

July leads off against his old team. He is horrid in ProLeague, though. Let's hope he does better this time, since he was removed from the majors. Their familiar lineup of well-performing but not outstanding players all march in against HERO: Calm, Kal, HwaSin. Along with July, those four cards will make lots of appearances. Thus, their first match is of note, merely because it'll offer some gauge as to how this team will do this season.

WeMade FOX

A stagnant team with NaDa, Mind, Pure and Rock as their only good players. The fact that Rock is considered a Protoss ace shows how this team is still going to perform at a mediocre level despite having the winningest player of all time. Casy left, too, showing that this team isn't particularly good at fostering increased player achievement. Hero, Roro, and keke make reappearances, but it'll be same old, same old. Following them as a team... I don't see much to look forward to. If those kids have a sudden breakout [nigh on impossible] that's their only hope.

Woongjin Stars

Mostly, watch to see how their players perform with a new sponsor. Though the money and new player influx won't kick in quite yet, the morale boost should help. An easy opponent list - FOX and eStro - helps them as well. Later on in the season, as they raise better players and perhaps buy a couple, they should do even better.


LR's Predictions
+ Show Spoiler +
October 4
SK Telecom T1 vs Samsung KHAN
(P)BeSt < Destination > (T)FrOzean
(T)Midas < Medusa > (P)JangBi
(Z)Hyuk < Raid Assault 2 > (Z)by.great
(P)Bisu < Andromeda > (Z)oDin
Ace Match: (T)fantasy < Sword in the Moon > (T)firebathero
SKT T1 3:2 Samsung KHAN

OnGameNet SPARKYZ vs Lecaf Oz
(T)Leta < Chupung-Ryeong > (P)BackHo
(Z)type-b[s.g] < Medusa > (T)Lomo
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] < Neo Requiem > (Z)Jaedong
(P)Chalrenge < Destination > (T)HiyA
Ace Match: < Colosseum II >
SparkyZ 1:3 Lecaf OZ

October 5
KTF MagicNs vs eSTRO
(Z)Luxury < Sword in the Moon > (T)by.funny
(T)Flash < Chupung-Ryeong > (P)Tester
(P)LuCifer < Neo Requiem > (T)UpMagiC
(T)SaiR < Colosseum II > (Z)hyvaa
Ace Match: < Medusa >
KTF MagicN's 3:0 eStro

Woongjin Stars vs WeMade FOX
(P)free < Andromeda > (P)Pure
(Z)ZerO < Destination > (Z)RorO
(Z)Child < Raid Assault 2 > (Z)Nal_keke
(T)MVP[Name] < Sword in the Moon > (T)NaDa
Ace Match: (P)free < Medusa > (T)InteR.Mind
Woongjin 2:3 WeMade FOX

October 6
STX SouL vs MBCGame HERO
(Z)July< Medusa > (Z)Saint
(P)Kal < Chupung-Ryeong > (P)Jaehoon
(Z)Calm < Neo Requiem > (Z)HyuN
(T)Hwasin < Sword in the Moon > (T)RuBy
Ace Match: (T)Hwasin < Andromeda > (T)Sea[Shield]
SouL 2:3 HERO

Air Force ACE vs CJ Entus
(T)Sunny < Sword in the Moon > (T)Iris
(P)Rage < Colosseum II > (P)Much
(Z)MuMyung < Raid Assault 2 > (Z)sAviOr
(Z)OversKy < Medusa > (Z)GGPlay
Ace Match: < Chupung-Ryeong >
ACE 0:3 Entus [goddamnit, I hope to hell I'm wrong here]

October 7
OnGameNet SPARKYZ vs Samsung KHAN
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] < Medusa > (P)JangBi
(T)Shine < Chupung-Ryeong > (Z)Juni
(P)Chalrenge < Neo Requiem > (P)Stork
(T)Leta < Sword in the Moon > (T)firebathero
Ace Match: < Andromeda >
SparkyZ 1:3 Samsung KHAN

SK Telecom T1 vs Lecaf Oz
(T)Canata < Medusa > (T)fOrGG
(T)fantasy < Colosseum II > (P)BackHo
(Z)Hyuk < Raid Assault 2 > (T)Lomo
(P)BeSt < Destination > (Z)Jaedong
Ace Match: (T)Midas[gm] < Chupung-Ryeong > (Z)Jaedong
T1 2:3 OZ

October 8
KTF MagicNs vs WeMade FOX
(T)Flash < Medusa > (P)Rock
(P)Tempest < Colosseum II > (P)Pure
(Z)Luxury < Raid Assault 2 > (Z)Nal_keke
(Z)815 < Destination > (T)pepe
Ace Match: < Chupung-Ryeong >
KTF 3:0 FOX

Woongjin Stars vs eSTRO
(Z)ZerO < Destination > (P)SangHo
(T)MVP[Name] < Sword in the Moon > (T)by.funny
(P)GuemChi < Neo Requiem > (T)UpMagiC
(P)free < Medusa > (Z)hyvaa
Ace Match: (P)free[gm] < Colosseum II > (T)Sea.Really
Woongjin 3:2 eStro


Love and Luck,
LastRomantic

P.S. Go Bears!
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InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
October 03 2008 22:24 GMT
#2
Great write up and I dont like ur comment about barca!
w/e
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
October 03 2008 22:30 GMT
#3
nice write up, I might listen to some of your predictions as well, thou I respectfully disagree with some of them, but thats our job some time- to respectfully disagree. I will be excited about your stuff for the PL. Cheers !
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-03 22:35:50
October 03 2008 22:35 GMT
#4
On October 04 2008 07:24 InfeSteD wrote:
Great write up and I dont like ur comment about barca!

Madrid fan
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useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
October 03 2008 22:35 GMT
#5
ya, whats up with no boxer D:
hes the only reason i still watch these games
Moonlight Shadow
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-03 22:47:50
October 03 2008 22:44 GMT
#6
If LR's predictions were true:

+ Show Spoiler +
KTF will end the season 51-0

LR's projections made me think that perhaps the lack of a 2v2 will increase the significance of the ace match, who knows. In SKT1's matches, it seemed the metagame of who was playing the ace match was a big deal. I could elaborate if one so desired but it's not very relevant for me to theory on the metagame of starcraft with theoretical matches.


Nice write up LR.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
October 03 2008 23:12 GMT
#7
Nice overview. I really CJ pulls their shit together this season because they have the talent for it, now it's just actually winning. Easier said then done of course but as a fan it's heartbreaking to watch a team like that finish bottom four.
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-03 23:15:15
October 03 2008 23:14 GMT
#8
nice writeup

the only point i disagree with is Pure in Wemade Fox since he did really well last PL season

edit: never mind
a
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-03 23:25:39
October 03 2008 23:25 GMT
#9
On October 04 2008 08:14 SaveYourSavior wrote:
nice writeup

the only point i disagree with is Pure in Wemade Fox since he did really well last PL season

edit: never mind


Ah, good point. Forgot about that when writing, though I did remember in predictions ~~

They've still got no zergs though.
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Barbarne
Profile Joined August 2007
Sweden458 Posts
October 03 2008 23:44 GMT
#10
I agree on most points.

You forgot that Sparkyz have Leta as their new front figure, and Yarnc seems to have stepped up (or rather, come back from a slump?) quite a bit in his recent MSL games. If luxury was still on the team I'd say they would be pretty scary, actually.

You can't possibly say that it was only luxury that put them above 10 of the other teams last season? I'd say Leta had a much bigger influx on their amazing 8 win (or was it 9?) undefeated run, until they choked versus Khan.

I'd say that they're still alive, just not anywere near their, just until recently, high level.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
October 04 2008 00:04 GMT
#11
?

I thought whoever won the fourth set would stay to play the last set, while the other team sends in another player for the last set (Proleague style first 3 matches and then Teamleague last 2)
Writerptrk
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
October 04 2008 00:10 GMT
#12
I think you sold Hwasin and July short here. I see them easily winning their mirrors.
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
October 04 2008 00:12 GMT
#13
july losing to saint catches my eye, that really dosnt make sense to me
OMG you nasty gurl
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
October 04 2008 00:13 GMT
#14
On October 04 2008 09:10 3clipse wrote:
I think you sold Hwasin and July short here. I see them easily winning their mirrors.


yeah to add on while not as good at the moment i felt kal/hwasin were downplayed especially in terms of skill being lumped in with calm
OMG you nasty gurl
Ozarugold
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
2716 Posts
October 04 2008 00:19 GMT
#15
Gogo Upmagic! I also did not know Stars got a new sponsor. The name doesn't flow that well in my opinion~
this is my quote.
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
October 04 2008 00:34 GMT
#16
Hm Hwasin and Kal are decidedly above Calm, I agree.

July in proleague has never been solid. He's a very mind/build-oriented player, whereas Proleague is more about mechanics. See Sea[Shield] for the reverse. He didn't make a single 1v1 appearance last PL season, and was ridiculously bad in PL when he played for T1 [even with the $5000/win bonus]

Saint practices like a motherfucker for PL. July's definitely the better player, I just think Saint will take this one.
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d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
October 04 2008 01:04 GMT
#17
+ Show Spoiler +
WTF saint > July? is that a joke?!
Hi.
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
October 04 2008 01:55 GMT
#18
Oh, I have a question, just re-reading your predictions. Who are your big four (mentioned in the Samsung question)?

SKT1 and Samsung obviously. I think KTF makes the cut, but who's the fourth? Lecaf? MBC? STX even?
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-04 01:57:12
October 04 2008 01:56 GMT
#19
SKT, Samsung, KTF, Lecaf.
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SiegeTanksandBlueGoo
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
China685 Posts
October 04 2008 02:03 GMT
#20
Nice writeup, but I think SKT1 is going to beat Lecaf though. Just my opinion here.
What does the scouter say about his macro level? It's Over 9000 minerals!
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