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WCS EU - Ro16 Group A Preview (Season 2)

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WCS EU - Ro16 Group A Preview (Season 2)

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August 5th, 2013 07:32 GMT
2013 WCS Europe

WCS Europe Season 2 - Premier League



Ro16: Group A Preview
Mvp, HasuObs, Grubby, Ret

Brackets and standings on Liquipedia

VODs on Youtube

Ro16 Group A Preview

by Waxangel

Yikes, looks like we're going to have to get that banner changed sometime. Sadly, sixteen players have been eliminated from the WCS Europe Premier League, including high finishers from last tournament such as TLO, DIMAGA and ForGG. But the defending champion still carries on, looking to take his second consecutive WCS Europe title.

Countdown to games:

In pursuit of that goal, (T)LG-IM_Mvp must feel good about drawing a soft group. 'Soft' is a relative term here, as Ret, Grubby, and HasuObs would be considered some very undesirable groupmates for most European competitors. But they're not the biggest threats Mvp could face on his road to back to back titles. MMA, a bitter rival since 2011, is off in Group C. Stephano, the runner-up of the previous season, was drawn into Group B. MC, the master of all-ins, is away in Group D. In comparison, the trio of players in Group A can't help but seem easier.

However, StarCraft II is a game with a significant amount of variance, so there's no guarantee that Mvp is going to make it out of this group, palatable as it may be.

There's one quirk in Mvp's play that makes me think he could be particularly vulnerable: he likes to take risks regardless of the caliber of his opponent. A lot of people will tell you that the superior player should always play as safe and standard as possible, and just try to outplay his opponent in regular macro games. Flash did that amazingly well in Brood War, while players like INnoVation and Rain have had some success with this approach in SC2 as well. On the other hand, Mvp generally doesn't mind doing risky things against supposedly 'lesser' opponents – he notably used some marine-tank builds to topple SaSe last WCS. On the other hand, sometimes his risks just don't pay off, like when Scarlett took a map off LG-IM in the GSTL by perfectly countering Mvp's blue-flame hellion build.

So, as we look at the Europeans in the group, I'll list a few ways the games could play out that might see them topple the champ.

(Z)Liquid`Ret may have a career winning record against Mvp, but in HotS he's probably going to get worn down by Mvp's MMM in normal games. Even if he makes it to the late game with his economy intact, it's easy to envision 100 supply of Ret's ultralisks getting instantly turned into hamburger by marauders. Fortunately for Ret, Mvp doesn't play straight up MMM openers as often as you'd think.

How Ret might beat Mvp
  • Read and deflect the marauder-hellbat push: Mvp should know that his marauder-hellbat timings are very exposed now, but I get the feeling Mvp's not one to preemptively shelf a strat before someone beats it. It could be a surprisingly easy win for Ret if he reads it (harder than it sounds on paper) and crushes it on defense.
  • Mvp goes mech: There's a lot of differing opinions on the viability of mech in HotS, but in any case, Mvp has kept it in his playbook as a mix-up tool. Any strat Mvp does that allows Zerg to press the "R" button a lot gives Ret a better chance at causing the upset.


(P)Grubby used to be our poster boy for slow but steady improvement, but TLO has wrested that position away from him with the advent of HotS. It seems like Grubby is stuck in the zone between good and great, looking like a fringe contender in non-Korean tournaments, and not being quite consistent enough against Koreans (while still taking the occasional series off them) to challenge for championships in the more difficult tourneys. In order to get over this hump, I'd like to recommend that he spend some time as a player-caster. Hey, it worked wonders for ToD and HasuObs!

How Grubby might beat Mvp
  • Go all-in with gateway units: It really doesn't matter what level Terran player you are: a Protoss all-in with good force-fields can really ruin your day. Mvp isn't known for being especially weak to Protoss all-ins, but they've been the cause of a handful of notable defeats in his Code S career. Genius once took a hilarious 2 – 0 victory at a time when Genius > Mvp really should not have been a possible result, while Creator once sent Mvp out of Code S with a 4-gate. All-ins are far from a sure thing, but they could be the best chance Grubby has against a player of Mvp's caliber.
  • Go all-in with gateway units and immortals: See above.
  • Go all-in with gateway units and void rays/oracles: See above.
  • Go all-in with gateway units and blink: See above.


First, go look at (P)mouz.HasuObs' record for the month of July on Aligulac.com. Yup, that's a 40 - 12 record for a 77% win rate. Excuse me while I yell "WHAT THE F***?" If the word bonjwa wasn't so misused to the point of being meaningless, I would dub HasuObs "The foreigner bonjwa of online play in the month of July." Let's see if he can continue to play well in a live setting.

How HasuObs might beat Mvp
  • Play like HasuObs: It's not like I've passed around a survey or anything, but I get the feeling that most European Protoss players think they have a decent shot against any Korean Terran, IF they can get past the mid-game without taking some kind of catastrophic damage. That's easier said than done when playing against the micro and infuriating drop tactics of Koreans, but if Elfi can beat TaeJa in macro games, then SO CAN YOU.

    Anyway, there's no player who's more suited to playing a defensive, late-game oriented style than HasuObs, as he was doing it way before 'spooning' became a popular StarCraft term. If HasuObs can withstand Mvp's drops early on, then he might be able to play games that make Mvp's wrists just give up and go home.


Predictions:
Mvp > Ret
Grubby > HasuObs
Mvp > Grubby
HasuObs > Ret
HasuObs > Grubby

Mvp and HasuObs advance.

More WCS Europe Season 2 Coverage

Aug 9 – Welmu and Duckdeok advance to Ro8 as Stephano plays his retirement matches.
Aug 8 – HasuObs and Grubby shock Mvp in Round of eight opener group.
July 18 – Russian duo of TitaN and Happy round out Ro16 by earning final two spots
July 17 – Terrans ForGG and Bunny eliminated as VortiX and Grubby move on
July 11 – NaNiwa and Lucifron top group F, Bly and uzer fall to Challenger
July 10 – Welmu takes first place in group E, upsetting Ret, BabyKnight, and ThorZaIN


Writers: Waxangel
Graphics: shiroiusagi
Banner photo: ESL
Editor: Waxangel.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
August 05 2013 07:37 GMT
#2
WHY WOULD YOU GIVE THEM TIPS

AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 05 2013 07:37 GMT
#3
Mvp > Ret
Hasuobs > Grubby
Hasuobs > Mvp
Grubby > Ret
Mvp > Grubby
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33668 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 07:40:35
August 05 2013 07:39 GMT
#4
On August 05 2013 16:37 lichter wrote:
WHY WOULD YOU GIVE THEM TIPS


it's not really suggestions, just ways I see possible upset scenarios playing out D:
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
August 05 2013 07:40 GMT
#5
Wow, I almost forgot that this was happening this week.

Gogo Mvp
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 05 2013 07:41 GMT
#6
It's a shame the banner is out of date, It's a nice picture.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
August 05 2013 07:44 GMT
#7
On August 05 2013 16:39 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 16:37 lichter wrote:
WHY WOULD YOU GIVE THEM TIPS


it's not really suggestions, just ways I see possible upset scenarios playing out D:

I like the new style of writing "This is how he's going to try to beat him"

Thanks for the preview!
Moderatorlickypiddy
-JoKeR-
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada387 Posts
August 05 2013 07:45 GMT
#8
Hope ret can make it out
jackslater
Profile Joined November 2012
Russian Federation604 Posts
August 05 2013 07:46 GMT
#9
It will be epic!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33668 Posts
August 05 2013 07:51 GMT
#10
On August 05 2013 16:41 Dodgin wrote:
It's a shame the banner is out of date, It's a nice picture.


im waiting for the next batch of ESL photos to go up on their flickr D:
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
August 05 2013 07:52 GMT
#11
yess lets go mvp!
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
Buddy168
Profile Joined June 2012
United States157 Posts
August 05 2013 07:53 GMT
#12
"The foreigner bonjwa of online play in the month of July."

Love it. >.<
"You're being a useless fucking asshole" - Day[9]
namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
August 05 2013 07:57 GMT
#13
mvp do itt!
IM hwaitiing ~ IMMvp #1 | Bang Min Ah <3<3
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 07:58:46
August 05 2013 07:58 GMT
#14
On August 05 2013 16:39 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 16:37 lichter wrote:
WHY WOULD YOU GIVE THEM TIPS


it's not really suggestions, just ways I see possible upset scenarios playing out D:


If this (the game plans, and they work) is how it plays out I will never forgive you
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
August 05 2013 07:59 GMT
#15
Mvp has this ezpz!
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
August 05 2013 08:01 GMT
#16
From the Mvp Fan Club:

On August 05 2013 16:20 Entirety wrote:

Opening Match
Mvp vs. Ret

Mvp's TvZ: 64%
Ret's ZvT: 47%
Head to Head Record: 1-4 (20%)

     (1868) Mvp  0-0  Ret (1345)     
-------------------------------------
51.37% 2-0 0-2 8.03%
29.10% 2-1 1-2 11.50%
-------------------------------------
80.47% 19.53%

Median outcome: Mvp 2-0 Ret

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

Oh Terran King, please make up your mind. Are you good against Zerg or not? Mvp's WCS EU S1 performance showed domination against the best foreigner Zergs around (TLO, DIMAGA, Stephano), and he beat KangHo 2-1 during the S1 Finals... yet recently, he is 0-6 against Korean Zergs (CoCa, DongRaeGu, and Symbol). At this point, we are left wondering whether his TvZ can truly deliver in Korean-level competition.

Meanwhile, Ret isn't looking to be in the best shape either. While his teammates TLO and Snute surge ahead in results, Ret has had rather disappointing results lately. At DH Summer, HSC, and RSL, Ret lost to three different foreign Terrans (SjoW, Bunny, Dayshi). Overall, Ret's performance against Terran in HotS is lackluster, sitting at a 47% win ratio. Even with Ret's head-to-head advantage, can Ret truly pull off the upset a third time?

Mvp's TvZ win rate of 64% is impressive enough already, but let's examine that statistic more closely. His win ratio has been affected by his recent losses, which all took place during online qualifiers. What if we only look at Mvp's specialty, his offline games? Suddenly his win ratio jumps to 71%! Now, we all know Mvp is very good at beating up foreigners like Ret... let's only count his games against non-Koreans. Suddenly his TvZ win-ratio is 88%! Also, remember that Mvp is good at preparing for series, so let's only count Bo3 series or higher. That removes a GSTL loss against Scarlett, which puts us at...

...a 14-1 (93%) record! While Mvp has been struggling against Korean Zergs, it seems like his true calling in life is to beat up foreigner Zergs (like Ret) in offline LANs (such as WCS EU) in longer series (such as a Bo3). I must give the advantage to Mvp!

Other Matches

Mvp's TvP: 74%

Grubby's PvT: 52%
Head to Head Record: 4-0 (100%)

       (1831) Mvp  0-0  Grubby (1404)    
-----------------------------------------
46.36% 2-0 0-2 10.19%
29.59% 2-1 1-2 13.87%
-----------------------------------------
75.94% 24.06%

Median outcome: Mvp 2-1 Grubby

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

Grubby's PvT has been decent in HotS, but he hasn't regained that special touch which allowed him to grab deep tournament runs. Meanwhile, let's look at Mvp's TvP... starting with IEM, he beats Grubby, MaNa, Feast... loses to kr MC. He beats Siw, Socke, SaSe, SaSe, Adelscott... loses to kr Alicia. He beats elfi. Do you see the pattern here? Since Grubby is a foreign Protoss, it seems likely that Mvp will eat Grubby up.

HasuObs's PvT: 58%
Head to Head Record: 0-0

        (1831) Mvp  0-0  HasuObs (1597)    
-------------------------------------------
36.25% 2-0 0-2 15.83%
28.85% 2-1 1-2 19.07%
-------------------------------------------
65.10% 34.90%

Median outcome: Mvp 2-1 HasuObs

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

Since HasuObs is another foreign Protoss, I could say the same here and favor Mvp heavily. However, HasuObs's PvT is quite strong. In fact, I would say that HasuObs has the greatest chance of upsetting Mvp. Still, I call it an upset because Mvp is still favored strongly over HasuObs. Since the two players have not met each other before, it will surely be an interesting showdown.

Overall Outlook
                 Top 2      1st      2nd      3rd      4th    
--------------------------------------------------------------
Mvp 85.16% 55.90% 29.26% 9.29% 5.55%
HasuObs 55.28% 23.43% 31.84% 25.67% 19.05%
Grubby 33.37% 11.71% 21.67% 33.66% 32.96%
Ret 26.19% 8.96% 17.23% 31.37% 42.43%

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

Yup, Mvp's chances are good.

Will jet lag play a factor? Perhaps, but keep in mind that Mvp has rested in Korea for a very long time. He took a gamble by choosing to play WCS EU Ro32 from Korea, but he advanced safely. He was able to practice with his teammates for GSTL. When he found out his WCS EU Ro16 group, you can bet he practiced with ByuL, RagnaroK, and KangHo (for Zerg) and First, Squirtle, YongHwa, Ruin, and MC (for Protoss). I believe he will come into this group well-rested and well-prepared.

HerO, champion of AM, out in the Ro32. Soulkey, champion of KR, out in Ro8. INnoVation, champion of the world, out in Ro4. Mvp remains the only champion standing... today will be decisive. Will he fall out in the Ro32, landing between HerO and Soulkey? Or will he advance and become the only champion to take the first WCS seasons?

Predictions
Mvp 2-0 Ret
Grubby 1-2 HasuObs
Mvp 2-0 HasuObs
Ret 2-0 Grubby
HasuObs 1-2 Ret

Mvp and Ret advance!
IMMvp (정종현) | Fan Club: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211431
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33668 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 08:13:43
August 05 2013 08:13 GMT
#17
it must be easy to write for the mvp fanclub, every prediction is "mvp should win, except if mma, then roll dice"
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 08:20:58
August 05 2013 08:20 GMT
#18
On August 05 2013 17:13 Waxangel wrote:
it must be easy to write for the mvp fanclub, every prediction is "mvp should win, except if mma, then roll dice"


I expected more of this

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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
August 05 2013 08:30 GMT
#19
Ahhh WCS EU, how I missed you . I think MVP and Hasu/Grubby advance. Hard group for Ret.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Nikon9
Profile Joined April 2012
2 Posts
August 05 2013 08:41 GMT
#20
Grubby > HasuObs
but then
HasuObs > Grubby

doesn't make any sense to me :/
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