On April 12 2013 03:30 TumNarDok wrote: It's also funny how the NA scene *BEGS* for invites. And the EU guys sign up in huge numbers for their qualifiers instead; 430 with 2,5 days to go; that is already more than GSL qualifers.
Difference in gaming culture much?
3 americans spotted though on EU and only 1 korean. Damned they taking our spaces! :D
If you go to Sundance's twitter, he just admitted that Demuslim was considered to be EU for the invite process, but selected NA as his region.
I don't have a problem with this. Demu is from the EU so was in consideration for the 8 non NA spots like polt/violet, etc. Under those conditions, demu's results don't stack up to the other 8. Good guy sundance investigates and gives reasonable explanation.
I am calling BS on that though. If they are going to force people to pick regions, they need to tell people in advance how many slots are available and what events are being considered to qualify for those spots. You can't ask players to just roll the dice, hope it works out and they get in. If so, why event consider competing in a region when your efforts will be totally wasted because they don't consider you on equal foot for that region for reasons you can't predict.
On April 12 2013 03:30 TumNarDok wrote: It's also funny how the NA scene *BEGS* for invites. And the EU guys sign up in huge numbers for their qualifiers instead; 430 with 2,5 days to go; that is already more than GSL qualifers.
Difference in gaming culture much?
3 americans spotted though on EU and only 1 korean. Damned they taking our spaces! :D
If you go to Sundance's twitter, he just admitted that Demuslim was considered to be EU for the invite process, but selected NA as his region.
I don't have a problem with this. Demu is from the EU so was in consideration for the 8 non NA spots like polt/violet, etc. Under those conditions, demu's results don't stack up to the other 8. Good guy sundance investigates and gives reasonable explanation.
Sure it sucks for demu, but it's the correct call. Otherwise you have to give the same treatment to someone like Polt living in the US and have him take an NA seed too, instead of 1 of the 8 global seeds.
If Stephano was still in Code S, would people be complaining that he took away a spot of a Korean?
Yes. There have always been complaints about free foreigner seeds being given away in GSL.
On April 12 2013 03:30 TumNarDok wrote: It's also funny how the NA scene *BEGS* for invites. And the EU guys sign up in huge numbers for their qualifiers instead; 430 with 2,5 days to go; that is already more than GSL qualifers.
Difference in gaming culture much?
3 americans spotted though on EU and only 1 korean. Damned they taking our spaces! :D
If you go to Sundance's twitter, he just admitted that Demuslim was considered to be EU for the invite process, but selected NA as his region.
I don't have a problem with this. Demu is from the EU so was in consideration for the 8 non NA spots like polt/violet, etc. Under those conditions, demu's results don't stack up to the other 8. Good guy sundance investigates and gives reasonable explanation.
I am calling BS on that though. If they are going to force people to pick regions, they need to tell people in advance how many slots are available and what events are being considered to qualify for those spots. You can't ask players to just roll the dice, hope it works out and they get in. If so, why event consider competing in a region when your efforts will be totally wasted because they don't consider you on equal foot for that region for reasons you can't predict.
I agree the lack of information given is a problem. I just don't have a problem with the criteria used to choose those spots. Players should have been given more information from the start.
On April 12 2013 04:04 Elairec wrote: Hasn't Demuslim been in NA for, oh idk about two years now?
That doesn't matter. Its not region locked, but you are considered not from that region if you weren't born there and limited because of it. Unless you Korean, where you can swap regions after the first season if you don't qualify.
On April 12 2013 03:30 TumNarDok wrote: It's also funny how the NA scene *BEGS* for invites. And the EU guys sign up in huge numbers for their qualifiers instead; 430 with 2,5 days to go; that is already more than GSL qualifers.
Difference in gaming culture much?
3 americans spotted though on EU and only 1 korean. Damned they taking our spaces! :D
If you go to Sundance's twitter, he just admitted that Demuslim was considered to be EU for the invite process, but selected NA as his region.
I don't have a problem with this. Demu is from the EU so was in consideration for the 8 non NA spots like polt/violet, etc. Under those conditions, demu's results don't stack up to the other 8. Good guy sundance investigates and gives reasonable explanation.
Sure it sucks for demu, but it's the correct call. Otherwise you have to give the same treatment to someone like Polt living in the US and have him take an NA seed too, instead of 1 of the 8 global seeds.
If Stephano was still in Code S, would people be complaining that he took away a spot of a Korean?
Yes. There have always been complaints about free foreigner seeds being given away in GSL.
I always read those complaints were more along the lines of "these people are given a spot and don't fully commit to living and training in Korea." People were ok with Naniwa sticking around for a few seasons of GSL, but everyone gets upset with the people who go there for a few weeks, lose, and return to their home country.
On April 12 2013 03:30 TumNarDok wrote: It's also funny how the NA scene *BEGS* for invites. And the EU guys sign up in huge numbers for their qualifiers instead; 430 with 2,5 days to go; that is already more than GSL qualifers.
Difference in gaming culture much?
3 americans spotted though on EU and only 1 korean. Damned they taking our spaces! :D
If you go to Sundance's twitter, he just admitted that Demuslim was considered to be EU for the invite process, but selected NA as his region.
I don't have a problem with this. Demu is from the EU so was in consideration for the 8 non NA spots like polt/violet, etc. Under those conditions, demu's results don't stack up to the other 8. Good guy sundance investigates and gives reasonable explanation.
Sure it sucks for demu, but it's the correct call. Otherwise you have to give the same treatment to someone like Polt living in the US and have him take an NA seed too, instead of 1 of the 8 global seeds.
If Stephano was still in Code S, would people be complaining that he took away a spot of a Korean?
Yes. There have always been complaints about free foreigner seeds being given away in GSL.
On April 12 2013 03:30 TumNarDok wrote: It's also funny how the NA scene *BEGS* for invites. And the EU guys sign up in huge numbers for their qualifiers instead; 430 with 2,5 days to go; that is already more than GSL qualifers.
Difference in gaming culture much?
3 americans spotted though on EU and only 1 korean. Damned they taking our spaces! :D
If you go to Sundance's twitter, he just admitted that Demuslim was considered to be EU for the invite process, but selected NA as his region.
I don't have a problem with this. Demu is from the EU so was in consideration for the 8 non NA spots like polt/violet, etc. Under those conditions, demu's results don't stack up to the other 8. Good guy sundance investigates and gives reasonable explanation.
I am calling BS on that though. If they are going to force people to pick regions, they need to tell people in advance how many slots are available and what events are being considered to qualify for those spots. You can't ask players to just roll the dice, hope it works out and they get in. If so, why event consider competing in a region when your efforts will be totally wasted because they don't consider you on equal foot for that region for reasons you can't predict.
I agree the lack of information given is a problem. I just don't have a problem with the criteria used to choose those spots. Players should have been given more information from the start.
From someone who works in the legal field for large, sort of dumb businesses, not providing full information and then forcing people to make decisions that impact them financially is legally questionable. No one is going to sue, but it is a whole bunch of BS.
On April 12 2013 03:30 TumNarDok wrote: It's also funny how the NA scene *BEGS* for invites. And the EU guys sign up in huge numbers for their qualifiers instead; 430 with 2,5 days to go; that is already more than GSL qualifers.
Difference in gaming culture much?
3 americans spotted though on EU and only 1 korean. Damned they taking our spaces! :D
If you go to Sundance's twitter, he just admitted that Demuslim was considered to be EU for the invite process, but selected NA as his region.
I don't have a problem with this. Demu is from the EU so was in consideration for the 8 non NA spots like polt/violet, etc. Under those conditions, demu's results don't stack up to the other 8. Good guy sundance investigates and gives reasonable explanation.
Sure it sucks for demu, but it's the correct call. Otherwise you have to give the same treatment to someone like Polt living in the US and have him take an NA seed too, instead of 1 of the 8 global seeds.
If Stephano was still in Code S, would people be complaining that he took away a spot of a Korean?
Yes. There have always been complaints about free foreigner seeds being given away in GSL.
On April 12 2013 04:03 Plansix wrote:
On April 12 2013 03:56 Canucklehead wrote:
On April 12 2013 03:50 Plansix wrote:
On April 12 2013 03:30 TumNarDok wrote: It's also funny how the NA scene *BEGS* for invites. And the EU guys sign up in huge numbers for their qualifiers instead; 430 with 2,5 days to go; that is already more than GSL qualifers.
Difference in gaming culture much?
3 americans spotted though on EU and only 1 korean. Damned they taking our spaces! :D
If you go to Sundance's twitter, he just admitted that Demuslim was considered to be EU for the invite process, but selected NA as his region.
I don't have a problem with this. Demu is from the EU so was in consideration for the 8 non NA spots like polt/violet, etc. Under those conditions, demu's results don't stack up to the other 8. Good guy sundance investigates and gives reasonable explanation.
I am calling BS on that though. If they are going to force people to pick regions, they need to tell people in advance how many slots are available and what events are being considered to qualify for those spots. You can't ask players to just roll the dice, hope it works out and they get in. If so, why event consider competing in a region when your efforts will be totally wasted because they don't consider you on equal foot for that region for reasons you can't predict.
I agree the lack of information given is a problem. I just don't have a problem with the criteria used to choose those spots. Players should have been given more information from the start.
From someone who works in the legal field for large, sort of dumb businesses, not providing full information and then forcing people to make decisions that impact them financially is legally questionable. No one is going to sue, but it is a whole bunch of BS.
It's pretty obvious there was a lack of information otherwise Demuslim would have actually said "I chose to stay in NA over EU and forgo an invite to the EU regionals."
Heck, a breakdown of what the prize-pool is for 16th in EU would have been nice so that EG and Demuslim could have decided if it was worth it to register in the EU and fly him out for each round.
So I loaded up this topic this morning, read the first list (NA) and thought, "huh, that's really weird, I never expected DeMuslim to choose Europe as his region". Then scanned through the EU list, checked the NA list again and genuinely thought it was an omission. Then scanned all the thread pages searching the word "DeMuslim" and it quickly became obvious that everyone was just as saddened by this as I was.
If there is any silver lining to this very dark cloud it's that DeMuslim is currently in the one of the best forms of his SC2 career and actually could stand a good chance in the qualifiers. But my god, the odds are not in his favour, 8 slots availible and 20 Korean's competing for one, one of which is Violet, DeMuslim's kryptonite.
It's probably already been mentioned but I only skimmed the thread, why the hell is Snute in NA? All the other's I can at least find a reason as to why they received their seeds (regardless of whether there are those who are more deserving). Snute is the only one who stands as the odd one out to me.
On April 12 2013 05:04 Greendotz wrote: So I loaded up this topic this morning, read the first list (NA) and thought, "huh, that's really weird, I never expected DeMuslim to choose Europe as his region". Then scanned through the EU list, checked the NA list again and genuinely thought it was an omission. Then scanned all the thread pages searching the word "DeMuslim" and it quickly became obvious that everyone was just as saddened by this as I was.
If there is any silver lining to this very dark cloud it's that DeMuslim is currently in the one of the best forms of his SC2 career and actually could stand a good chance in the qualifiers. But my god, the odds are not in his favour, 8 slots availible and 20 Korean's competing for one, one of which is Violet, DeMuslim's kryptonite.
It's probably already been mentioned but I only skimmed the thread, why the hell is Snute in NA? All the other's I can at least find a reason as to why they received their seeds (regardless of whether there are those who are more deserving). Snute is the only one who stands as the odd one out to me.
It does seem kind of weird with TLO and ret playing EU so it's not like Liquid is all playing in NA. I guess he just felt like his chances were better in NA or something? who knows? I can see him getting his seed though because he recently won ESET UK Masters which had some Koreans there and he also won HSC 6 not too long ago at the end of 2012. I have nothing against DeMuslim but those results are still better than what he has had in the time frame.
On April 12 2013 05:04 Greendotz wrote: So I loaded up this topic this morning, read the first list (NA) and thought, "huh, that's really weird, I never expected DeMuslim to choose Europe as his region". Then scanned through the EU list, checked the NA list again and genuinely thought it was an omission. Then scanned all the thread pages searching the word "DeMuslim" and it quickly became obvious that everyone was just as saddened by this as I was.
If there is any silver lining to this very dark cloud it's that DeMuslim is currently in the one of the best forms of his SC2 career and actually could stand a good chance in the qualifiers. But my god, the odds are not in his favour, 8 slots availible and 20 Korean's competing for one, one of which is Violet, DeMuslim's kryptonite.
It's probably already been mentioned but I only skimmed the thread, why the hell is Snute in NA? All the other's I can at least find a reason as to why they received their seeds (regardless of whether there are those who are more deserving). Snute is the only one who stands as the odd one out to me.
It does seem kind of weird with TLO and ret playing EU so it's not like Liquid is all playing in NA. I guess he just felt like his chances were better in NA or something? who knows? I can see him getting his seed though because he recently won ESET UK Masters which had some Koreans there and he also won HSC 6 not too long ago at the end of 2012. I have nothing against DeMuslim but those results are still better than what he has had in the time frame.
It's been speculated snute is going to korea to play in pro league. Lag from kr to eu is terrible, so he chose to play in na region from korea.
On April 12 2013 05:04 Greendotz wrote: So I loaded up this topic this morning, read the first list (NA) and thought, "huh, that's really weird, I never expected DeMuslim to choose Europe as his region". Then scanned through the EU list, checked the NA list again and genuinely thought it was an omission. Then scanned all the thread pages searching the word "DeMuslim" and it quickly became obvious that everyone was just as saddened by this as I was.
If there is any silver lining to this very dark cloud it's that DeMuslim is currently in the one of the best forms of his SC2 career and actually could stand a good chance in the qualifiers. But my god, the odds are not in his favour, 8 slots availible and 20 Korean's competing for one, one of which is Violet, DeMuslim's kryptonite.
It's probably already been mentioned but I only skimmed the thread, why the hell is Snute in NA? All the other's I can at least find a reason as to why they received their seeds (regardless of whether there are those who are more deserving). Snute is the only one who stands as the odd one out to me.
It does seem kind of weird with TLO and ret playing EU so it's not like Liquid is all playing in NA. I guess he just felt like his chances were better in NA or something? who knows? I can see him getting his seed though because he recently won ESET UK Masters which had some Koreans there and he also won HSC 6 not too long ago at the end of 2012. I have nothing against DeMuslim but those results are still better than what he has had in the time frame.
It's been speculated snute is going to korea to play in pro league. Lag from kr to eu is terrible, so he chose to play in na region from korea.
On April 12 2013 05:04 Greendotz wrote: So I loaded up this topic this morning, read the first list (NA) and thought, "huh, that's really weird, I never expected DeMuslim to choose Europe as his region". Then scanned through the EU list, checked the NA list again and genuinely thought it was an omission. Then scanned all the thread pages searching the word "DeMuslim" and it quickly became obvious that everyone was just as saddened by this as I was.
If there is any silver lining to this very dark cloud it's that DeMuslim is currently in the one of the best forms of his SC2 career and actually could stand a good chance in the qualifiers. But my god, the odds are not in his favour, 8 slots availible and 20 Korean's competing for one, one of which is Violet, DeMuslim's kryptonite.
It's probably already been mentioned but I only skimmed the thread, why the hell is Snute in NA? All the other's I can at least find a reason as to why they received their seeds (regardless of whether there are those who are more deserving). Snute is the only one who stands as the odd one out to me.
It does seem kind of weird with TLO and ret playing EU so it's not like Liquid is all playing in NA. I guess he just felt like his chances were better in NA or something? who knows? I can see him getting his seed though because he recently won ESET UK Masters which had some Koreans there and he also won HSC 6 not too long ago at the end of 2012. I have nothing against DeMuslim but those results are still better than what he has had in the time frame.
On April 12 2013 05:04 Greendotz wrote: So I loaded up this topic this morning, read the first list (NA) and thought, "huh, that's really weird, I never expected DeMuslim to choose Europe as his region". Then scanned through the EU list, checked the NA list again and genuinely thought it was an omission. Then scanned all the thread pages searching the word "DeMuslim" and it quickly became obvious that everyone was just as saddened by this as I was.
If there is any silver lining to this very dark cloud it's that DeMuslim is currently in the one of the best forms of his SC2 career and actually could stand a good chance in the qualifiers. But my god, the odds are not in his favour, 8 slots availible and 20 Korean's competing for one, one of which is Violet, DeMuslim's kryptonite.
It's probably already been mentioned but I only skimmed the thread, why the hell is Snute in NA? All the other's I can at least find a reason as to why they received their seeds (regardless of whether there are those who are more deserving). Snute is the only one who stands as the odd one out to me.
It does seem kind of weird with TLO and ret playing EU so it's not like Liquid is all playing in NA. I guess he just felt like his chances were better in NA or something? who knows? I can see him getting his seed though because he recently won ESET UK Masters which had some Koreans there and he also won HSC 6 not too long ago at the end of 2012. I have nothing against DeMuslim but those results are still better than what he has had in the time frame.
It's been speculated snute is going to korea to play in pro league. Lag from kr to eu is terrible, so he chose to play in na region from korea.
That would make sense
I agree that the HSC 6 result was really good, but that's starting to get to the point where invitational wins beget more invitations. It's almost not fair to count the numerous European tournaments in the past few months when comparing Americans to Europeans. It's not like the NA scene had an equivalent of the ESET UK Masters for Demuslim (or any NA-based player) to compete in. NA just had an invitational MLG tournament.
On April 12 2013 05:50 Angel_ wrote: Maybe not the best place to ask, but, if you don't qualify for wcs...does it mean anything? Other than that you can't play in the actual WCS final?
If you don't qualify in the open qualifiers, you can only play in non-WCS events, MLG, IEM, Dreamhack and so on. But no weekly event and they can't try to play in the final unless they qualify for a season and earn enough points.
On April 12 2013 06:30 TritaN wrote: From Sundance's Twitter:
Updates to the NA WCS qual process inbound.
2 key changes.
People should be happy - except possibly the tourney admins...
Hmm...
prolly just all qualifiers or more qualfiers? Only thing to make tourney admins more upset
All qualifiers? Hmm, they can't possibly recall all the invites after they made them public, that would make the invitees probably pretty mad (and rightly so). But you know that better probably, considering you are an invitee
EPT
