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WCS Season 1 Premier League Invite List Announced - Page 29

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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 11 2013 21:51 GMT
#561
On April 12 2013 06:41 ROOTheognis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 06:30 TritaN wrote:
From Sundance's Twitter:

Updates to the NA WCS qual process inbound.

2 key changes.

People should be happy - except possibly the tourney admins...


Hmm...


prolly just all qualifiers or more qualfiers? Only thing to make tourney admins more upset


No charge for qualifers, that would piss admins off for sure. Fingers crossed for the other one(going full Red Sox mode and not jinxing it.)
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Glon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States569 Posts
April 11 2013 21:53 GMT
#562
On April 12 2013 01:47 Hasuu wrote:
It really dissapoints me to not see up and coming top NA players like Quanitc Glon on that list. Instead Korean pro gamers? In NA?


It befundles me that Hellokitty/Capoch got in.... overall the entire process disgusts me.

But it's OK - I now have to do a 256 open man bracket versus a horde of koreans. I'd rather have a chance with a slap in the face than not have one at all.
@QuanticGlon https://twitter.com/QuanticGlon
DGNDEV
Profile Joined April 2013
Norway6 Posts
April 11 2013 22:13 GMT
#563
Dunno if this has been posted yet, but DeMusLim just got in!!



also @DeMusliM will now be joining us as one of the 32 - we had a cancellation...
Branman
Profile Joined March 2013
United States203 Posts
April 11 2013 22:14 GMT
#564
On April 12 2013 07:13 DGNDEV wrote:
Dunno if this has been posted yet, but DeMusLim just got in!!

https://twitter.com/MLGSundance/status/170562513660944384

Show nested quote +
also @DeMusliM will now be joining us as one of the 32 - we had a cancellation...


That's a year old.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
April 11 2013 22:22 GMT
#565
Right...
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 22:26:26
April 11 2013 22:24 GMT
#566
Cancellation huh? Well, i'm happy for Demu.

e. meh.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
DGNDEV
Profile Joined April 2013
Norway6 Posts
April 11 2013 22:24 GMT
#567
On April 12 2013 07:14 Branman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 07:13 DGNDEV wrote:
Dunno if this has been posted yet, but DeMusLim just got in!!

https://twitter.com/MLGSundance/status/170562513660944384

also @DeMusliM will now be joining us as one of the 32 - we had a cancellation...


That's a year old.


dont I look stupid now . Was so happy when a friend sent me the link, and I just watched the timestamp latest reply which was today
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
April 11 2013 22:24 GMT
#568
On April 12 2013 07:14 Branman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 07:13 DGNDEV wrote:
Dunno if this has been posted yet, but DeMusLim just got in!!

https://twitter.com/MLGSundance/status/170562513660944384

also @DeMusliM will now be joining us as one of the 32 - we had a cancellation...


That's a year old.


I easily felt for it
Terran & Potato Salad.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 22:35:09
April 11 2013 22:25 GMT
#569
This invitation + qualifier combination is weird. After this first season, all spots will be determined by a clear and proven qualification process. It is a huge improvement for the NA and EU scenes that 9 new major events per year (7 in 2013) will have a clear and good qualification process. Despite this promising future, just for this first season, WCS is going to have 3/4 of the Premier players determined by invitation. It has to be somewhat open or people will (rightfully) be outraged so 1/4 of the players will be determined by a one-time qualification process. But the qualification process could just as easily determine all 32 players. So as long as there must be a qualifier, why not allow it to determine all players?

Invites are simply vague and shitty qualification processes. If you invite someone because they got some result at some random past tournament, then that tournament was essentially a qualifier for your invitational event and that's just absurd. It's a reasonable shortcut when it's not feasible to run qualifiers or when you're not trying to determine the players in your tournament by merit. But if you are doing a real qualification process anyway, then there's no reason to have any invites.
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DGNDEV
Profile Joined April 2013
Norway6 Posts
April 11 2013 22:28 GMT
#570
On April 12 2013 07:24 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 07:14 Branman wrote:
On April 12 2013 07:13 DGNDEV wrote:
Dunno if this has been posted yet, but DeMusLim just got in!!

https://twitter.com/MLGSundance/status/170562513660944384

also @DeMusliM will now be joining us as one of the 32 - we had a cancellation...


That's a year old.


I easily felt for it



yeah me to ;/
PrAeToR.FeNiX
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada361 Posts
April 11 2013 22:32 GMT
#571
I personnaly think all foreigner from any region should get a seed and earn a spot. If youd put like top 32 ladder from each region with a close watch at abuse well that would make the ladder so fun !!!! :D
En taro Adun!
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 22:33:35
April 11 2013 22:33 GMT
#572
Benjamin Baker ‏@DeMusliM 7 min
@MLGSundance Thank you

Oh god, I feel bad for him :[
Terran & Potato Salad.
DGNDEV
Profile Joined April 2013
Norway6 Posts
April 11 2013 22:42 GMT
#573
On April 12 2013 07:33 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Benjamin Baker ‏@DeMusliM 7 min
@MLGSundance Thank you

Oh god, I feel bad for him :[


most likely the open bracket qualifier thing, he talked about in his stream earlier about some qualifier thingy
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
April 11 2013 22:46 GMT
#574
Alright, this is going to be on page 30 or something but I hope some people will really see it because there are so many weird things being thrown around in here...

The way the invites have worked for North America is like this:

There are 24 invitations total. 16 of those invites were supposed to be going to American players (this includes Mexico, South America, etc.) and those are the following:

+ Show Spoiler +
1. KiLLeR
2. Scarlett
3. IdrA
4. Suppy
5. Fenix
6. ViBE
7. HuK
8. Illusion
9. Major
10. State
11. Goswser
12. Hellokitty
13. Minigun
14. theognis
15. Capoch
16. Maker

The remaining 8 invitations were given to non-American players (Korea, Europe, etc.). Those are these:

+ Show Spoiler +
17. Ryung
18. HerO
19. viOLet
20. Polt
21. mOOnGLaDe
22. Sen
23. NesTea
24. Snute

These 2 categories people were done seperately and even if you're residing in North America you are not a North American player. A controversial one is that people are giving MLG a lot of flack for having invited Capoch, Maker and a few others instead of DeMusliM but it's completely irrelevant based on how the system works. DeMusliM does not belong in that category, but he belongs between the last 8 invitation spots.

The non-American invites are 5 Koreans, 2 SEA people (TW and Australia) and 1 European. It's very clear that regions have been a factor as well as skill. I don't think the invitation is supposed to be stating that mOOnGLaDe is better than all the other contenders there were, but they were trying to distribute it to all regions so they wouldn't just invite 8 Koreans. What you can discuss is whether or not there should have been a different distribution and this is where a player like DeMusliM comes to mind for me. I could see it making sense removing a Korean invite (which in this case probably would have been Ryung) and given one more to Europe (DeMusliM or Stephano, but I assume Stephano would have gotten it if he had wanted it but he chose WCS EU).
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 23:04:12
April 11 2013 22:52 GMT
#575
On April 12 2013 07:46 Bumblebee wrote:
Alright, this is going to be on page 30 or something but I hope some people will really see it because there are so many weird things being thrown around in here...

The way the invites have worked for North America is like this:

There are 24 invitations total. 16 of those invites were supposed to be going to American players (this includes Mexico, South America, etc.) and those are the following:

+ Show Spoiler +
1. KiLLeR
2. Scarlett
3. IdrA
4. Suppy
5. Fenix
6. ViBE
7. HuK
8. Illusion
9. Major
10. State
11. Goswser
12. Hellokitty
13. Minigun
14. theognis
15. Capoch
16. Maker

The remaining 8 invitations were given to non-American players (Korea, Europe, etc.). Those are these:

+ Show Spoiler +
17. Ryung
18. HerO
19. viOLet
20. Polt
21. mOOnGLaDe
22. Sen
23. NesTea
24. Snute

These 2 categories people were done seperately and even if you're residing in North America you are not a North American player. A controversial one is that people are giving MLG a lot of flack for having invited Capoch, Maker and a few others instead of DeMusliM but it's completely irrelevant based on how the system works. DeMusliM does not belong in that category, but he belongs between the last 8 invitation spots.

The non-American invites are 5 Koreans, 2 SEA people (TW and Australia) and 1 European. It's very clear that regions have been a factor as well as skill. I don't think the invitation is supposed to be stating that mOOnGLaDe is better than all the other contenders there were, but they were trying to distribute it to all regions so they wouldn't just invite 8 Koreans. What you can discuss is whether or not there should have been a different distribution and this is where a player like DeMusliM comes to mind for me. I could see it making sense removing a Korean invite (which in this case probably would have been Ryung) and given one more to Europe (DeMusliM or Stephano, but I assume Stephano would have gotten it if he had wanted it but he chose WCS EU).


Did the players know about these caps when they made the decision on what region to play WCS in? People understand the need for invite systems for the first WCS. The question is if the players were given enough information from Blizzard before they made the decision.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Aleteh
Profile Joined December 2011
Denmark166 Posts
April 11 2013 22:55 GMT
#576
On April 12 2013 07:46 Bumblebee wrote:
Alright, this is going to be on page 30 or something but I hope some people will really see it because there are so many weird things being thrown around in here...

The way the invites have worked for North America is like this:

There are 24 invitations total. 16 of those invites were supposed to be going to American players (this includes Mexico, South America, etc.) and those are the following:

+ Show Spoiler +
1. KiLLeR
2. Scarlett
3. IdrA
4. Suppy
5. Fenix
6. ViBE
7. HuK
8. Illusion
9. Major
10. State
11. Goswser
12. Hellokitty
13. Minigun
14. theognis
15. Capoch
16. Maker

The remaining 8 invitations were given to non-American players (Korea, Europe, etc.). Those are these:

+ Show Spoiler +
17. Ryung
18. HerO
19. viOLet
20. Polt
21. mOOnGLaDe
22. Sen
23. NesTea
24. Snute

These 2 categories people were done seperately and even if you're residing in North America you are not a North American player. A controversial one is that people are giving MLG a lot of flack for having invited Capoch, Maker and a few others instead of DeMusliM but it's completely irrelevant based on how the system works. DeMusliM does not belong in that category, but he belongs between the last 8 invitation spots.

The non-American invites are 5 Koreans, 2 SEA people (TW and Australia) and 1 European. It's very clear that regions have been a factor as well as skill. I don't think the invitation is supposed to be stating that mOOnGLaDe is better than all the other contenders there were, but they were trying to distribute it to all regions so they wouldn't just invite 8 Koreans. What you can discuss is whether or not there should have been a different distribution and this is where a player like DeMusliM comes to mind for me. I could see it making sense removing a Korean invite (which in this case probably would have been Ryung) and given one more to Europe (DeMusliM or Stephano, but I assume Stephano would have gotten it if he had wanted it but he chose WCS EU).


What competition was the seeds given out on? If it's purely based on WCS then Demuslim should've gotten a seed in the EU division over either HasuObs or ThorZaIN and MaNa and TitaN who finished the same as Demuslim. Even if its based on all tournaments, some of the invitees are (excuse my language) fucking horrible and makes no sense at all.
The Tyrant
Meatloaf
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Spain664 Posts
April 11 2013 22:58 GMT
#577
On April 12 2013 00:01 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 23:58 Meatloaf wrote:
No lucifron or vortix make me a sad spaniard


They are in the EU list, or did i miss something ?


LOL i just missed their names altogether thank you.

let me rephrase: Lucifron and Vortix will make me a happy spaniard!! GO LUCIFRON!
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 23:13:59
April 11 2013 23:13 GMT
#578
On April 12 2013 07:52 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 07:46 Bumblebee wrote:
Alright, this is going to be on page 30 or something but I hope some people will really see it because there are so many weird things being thrown around in here...

The way the invites have worked for North America is like this:

There are 24 invitations total. 16 of those invites were supposed to be going to American players (this includes Mexico, South America, etc.) and those are the following:

+ Show Spoiler +
1. KiLLeR
2. Scarlett
3. IdrA
4. Suppy
5. Fenix
6. ViBE
7. HuK
8. Illusion
9. Major
10. State
11. Goswser
12. Hellokitty
13. Minigun
14. theognis
15. Capoch
16. Maker

The remaining 8 invitations were given to non-American players (Korea, Europe, etc.). Those are these:

+ Show Spoiler +
17. Ryung
18. HerO
19. viOLet
20. Polt
21. mOOnGLaDe
22. Sen
23. NesTea
24. Snute

These 2 categories people were done seperately and even if you're residing in North America you are not a North American player. A controversial one is that people are giving MLG a lot of flack for having invited Capoch, Maker and a few others instead of DeMusliM but it's completely irrelevant based on how the system works. DeMusliM does not belong in that category, but he belongs between the last 8 invitation spots.

The non-American invites are 5 Koreans, 2 SEA people (TW and Australia) and 1 European. It's very clear that regions have been a factor as well as skill. I don't think the invitation is supposed to be stating that mOOnGLaDe is better than all the other contenders there were, but they were trying to distribute it to all regions so they wouldn't just invite 8 Koreans. What you can discuss is whether or not there should have been a different distribution and this is where a player like DeMusliM comes to mind for me. I could see it making sense removing a Korean invite (which in this case probably would have been Ryung) and given one more to Europe (DeMusliM or Stephano, but I assume Stephano would have gotten it if he had wanted it but he chose WCS EU).


Did the players know about these caps when they made the decision on what region to play WCS in? People understand the need for invite systems for the first WCS. The question is if the players were given enough information from Blizzard before they made the decision.

Nazgul and I were fully aware of the system when we made the decision to play Snute, Zenio and HerO in NA for season 1, yes.

On April 12 2013 07:55 Aleteh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 07:46 Bumblebee wrote:
Alright, this is going to be on page 30 or something but I hope some people will really see it because there are so many weird things being thrown around in here...

The way the invites have worked for North America is like this:

There are 24 invitations total. 16 of those invites were supposed to be going to American players (this includes Mexico, South America, etc.) and those are the following:

+ Show Spoiler +
1. KiLLeR
2. Scarlett
3. IdrA
4. Suppy
5. Fenix
6. ViBE
7. HuK
8. Illusion
9. Major
10. State
11. Goswser
12. Hellokitty
13. Minigun
14. theognis
15. Capoch
16. Maker

The remaining 8 invitations were given to non-American players (Korea, Europe, etc.). Those are these:

+ Show Spoiler +
17. Ryung
18. HerO
19. viOLet
20. Polt
21. mOOnGLaDe
22. Sen
23. NesTea
24. Snute

These 2 categories people were done seperately and even if you're residing in North America you are not a North American player. A controversial one is that people are giving MLG a lot of flack for having invited Capoch, Maker and a few others instead of DeMusliM but it's completely irrelevant based on how the system works. DeMusliM does not belong in that category, but he belongs between the last 8 invitation spots.

The non-American invites are 5 Koreans, 2 SEA people (TW and Australia) and 1 European. It's very clear that regions have been a factor as well as skill. I don't think the invitation is supposed to be stating that mOOnGLaDe is better than all the other contenders there were, but they were trying to distribute it to all regions so they wouldn't just invite 8 Koreans. What you can discuss is whether or not there should have been a different distribution and this is where a player like DeMusliM comes to mind for me. I could see it making sense removing a Korean invite (which in this case probably would have been Ryung) and given one more to Europe (DeMusliM or Stephano, but I assume Stephano would have gotten it if he had wanted it but he chose WCS EU).


What competition was the seeds given out on? If it's purely based on WCS then Demuslim should've gotten a seed in the EU division over either HasuObs or ThorZaIN and MaNa and TitaN who finished the same as Demuslim. Even if its based on all tournaments, some of the invitees are (excuse my language) fucking horrible and makes no sense at all.

I don't think you can say iti was based on a competition, but more so what made sense due to a lot of factors. Marketing, skill, region, etc. I don't think there was just 1 factor. But I don't know for sure nor did I have any influence.
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
April 11 2013 23:32 GMT
#579

The WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament will now feature 512 players and will be FREE to enter. Register here: http://mlg.to/ZPZRLP
LiquipediaWe will have only each other at the last
njoe
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden26 Posts
April 12 2013 00:36 GMT
#580
Demuslim should be on that list and Idra should not.
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