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creamyturtle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States487 Posts
October 11 2012 04:33 GMT
#161
I haven't seen Life play a true macro game, so it remains to be seen if his cheeky attacks will work on MVP
Terran it up.
zelevin
Profile Joined January 2012
United States304 Posts
October 11 2012 04:54 GMT
#162
I say MVP will win 4:1... just like his GSL finals record!
blacksheepwall
Profile Joined June 2011
China1530 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-11 05:00:13
October 11 2012 04:59 GMT
#163
Impossible to vote against Mvp, but I think Life might have a shot.

Wasn't overly impressed with the Mvp-Rain games, but Mvp always finds a way to win. Sad for Taeja but I've been a big fan of Life for a while now. Can't wait for the finals, obvs. Think it'll be closer than a lot of people think.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ // </3 Taeja
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
October 11 2012 05:10 GMT
#164
I really like Life's playstyle but I have been Mvp's fan for pretty long time so 4-2 Mvp.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
October 11 2012 05:20 GMT
#165
With overconvidence comes a great smack in the face, a lesson you should learn Life, from the likes of Parting and Squirtle.
I like his zerg play though i think MVP will just smack it down.

TheLetterQ
Profile Joined August 2011
United States65 Posts
October 11 2012 05:28 GMT
#166
On October 11 2012 10:16 epicdemic wrote:
How can you say Rain is overhyped? Rain is in the OSL finals currently and MvP had serious trouble beating him. Comparing him with MarineKing is just silly. MarineKing does either a really aggressive timing attack or a really greedy macro build, and got much of his success from that, combined with his micro. Rain's play style is almost the opposite. A lot of standard play. He doesn't cut corners often and uses mostly light pressure rather than straight up brute forcing his way to victory.

He is overhyped because he is presented in every TL writeup and in many random forum posts as some godlike player who is the herald of our future elephant overlords. Now, don't confuse overhyped with bad, because I actually think he is quite good, but when it came down to it he was expected by the majority of people to win last night I think. In the end, despite how close it was, he lost to MVP, a guy who can't be brought up it seems without mentioning that he is a shadow of his former self.

The MKP comparison is more applicable to Taeja, but it works for both of them. If you remember the first half of this year, everyone was ready to crown MKP the best player in the world, on the basis of a bunch of random foreign tournament wins. When it came time for him to deliver in the GSL however, he was never able to come close to matching his foreign success. I wasn't trying to say that either Rain or Taeja were similar in playstyle to MKP, only that they are both being called contenders to be the best player in the world (or at least their race) without winning a GSL, much like MKP.
On October 11 2012 11:15 CosmicSpiral wrote:


Of course it's premature. Life has only been in this form for 2 months and is currently back in school. It would be a miracle of willpower and training if he manages to maintain this level of play until New Year's alone. But predicting a 4-0 is just plain stupid and insulting. He just made the second-best terran look like he didn't belong in Code S and Life was not favored in that series.
It is a mismatch of styles. Life isn't bad by any means, but MVP specifically is the type of player that I don't think his playstyle will do too well against. They both rely on mindgames more than anything to win, but MVP is better at it with a lot more experience. There was another finals with two players with kind of similar strengths facing off, Nestea vs Losira. In the end, the player that most would agree was better, Nestea, absolutely crushed. In addition, Life is known to favor aggressive strategies, and MVP doesn't tend to lose to those kind of players, at least in the GSL when he has time to prepare. Finally, though I am fairly sure it is just interview trash talk and nothing too serious, it would be stupid and insulting for Life to actually think he will achieve anything like a 4-1. He could definitely win, but if he does it will be close.
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5497 Posts
October 11 2012 05:29 GMT
#167
To many games are decided by on engagement especially lately Blizzard should really change something -.-
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
October 11 2012 05:45 GMT
#168
Well, my hero Rain is out. No hard feelings.

GO MVP!!! CRUSH LIFE!!!
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
Farone
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
October 11 2012 05:57 GMT
#169
ezpz for Life, 4-1 I think=)
MC, Stephano, Ret, Jjakji, Grubby, Life, HerO, Scarlett, TaeJa
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
October 11 2012 06:02 GMT
#170
Go go Life !! If you win these finals against the "pull all scvs time" terran, I will be your greatest fan forever I swear.
TheRidd
Profile Joined January 2011
713 Posts
October 11 2012 06:03 GMT
#171
Well it was about time we had a bonjwa in SC2. MVP-Life 4-1.
lailaiwd
Profile Joined October 2012
United States65 Posts
October 11 2012 06:06 GMT
#172
On October 11 2012 14:28 TheLetterQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 10:16 epicdemic wrote:
How can you say Rain is overhyped? Rain is in the OSL finals currently and MvP had serious trouble beating him. Comparing him with MarineKing is just silly. MarineKing does either a really aggressive timing attack or a really greedy macro build, and got much of his success from that, combined with his micro. Rain's play style is almost the opposite. A lot of standard play. He doesn't cut corners often and uses mostly light pressure rather than straight up brute forcing his way to victory.

He is overhyped because he is presented in every TL writeup and in many random forum posts as some godlike player who is the herald of our future elephant overlords. Now, don't confuse overhyped with bad, because I actually think he is quite good, but when it came down to it he was expected by the majority of people to win last night I think. In the end, despite how close it was, he lost to MVP, a guy who can't be brought up it seems without mentioning that he is a shadow of his former self.

The MKP comparison is more applicable to Taeja, but it works for both of them. If you remember the first half of this year, everyone was ready to crown MKP the best player in the world, on the basis of a bunch of random foreign tournament wins. When it came time for him to deliver in the GSL however, he was never able to come close to matching his foreign success. I wasn't trying to say that either Rain or Taeja were similar in playstyle to MKP, only that they are both being called contenders to be the best player in the world (or at least their race) without winning a GSL, much like MKP.
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 11:15 CosmicSpiral wrote:


Of course it's premature. Life has only been in this form for 2 months and is currently back in school. It would be a miracle of willpower and training if he manages to maintain this level of play until New Year's alone. But predicting a 4-0 is just plain stupid and insulting. He just made the second-best terran look like he didn't belong in Code S and Life was not favored in that series.
It is a mismatch of styles. Life isn't bad by any means, but MVP specifically is the type of player that I don't think his playstyle will do too well against. They both rely on mindgames more than anything to win, but MVP is better at it with a lot more experience. There was another finals with two players with kind of similar strengths facing off, Nestea vs Losira. In the end, the player that most would agree was better, Nestea, absolutely crushed. In addition, Life is known to favor aggressive strategies, and MVP doesn't tend to lose to those kind of players, at least in the GSL when he has time to prepare. Finally, though I am fairly sure it is just interview trash talk and nothing too serious, it would be stupid and insulting for Life to actually think he will achieve anything like a 4-1. He could definitely win, but if he does it will be close.





While I have no intention of personal attack, you seem to think that you know starcraft very well and are able to judge which players are good. Because Rain lost doesn't mean he didn't play great games. I don't think you understand the amount of mind game going on in that semi final. The lack of army confrontation shows how good the series was. Unlike your silver league matches, where kids keep trading each other inefficiently and the games look epic, the level of skills shown by mvp and rain are their decisions to hold back at the right moments. Mvp does have an injury, and if you think you can get to Code S with that kind of injury, I won't complain. Just because you wrote this long ass rant doesn't justify your starcraft knowledge. Learn some before talking shit, kid.
In Mvp I trust.
TheRidd
Profile Joined January 2011
713 Posts
October 11 2012 06:13 GMT
#173
On October 11 2012 14:28 TheLetterQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 10:16 epicdemic wrote:
How can you say Rain is overhyped? Rain is in the OSL finals currently and MvP had serious trouble beating him. Comparing him with MarineKing is just silly. MarineKing does either a really aggressive timing attack or a really greedy macro build, and got much of his success from that, combined with his micro. Rain's play style is almost the opposite. A lot of standard play. He doesn't cut corners often and uses mostly light pressure rather than straight up brute forcing his way to victory.

He is overhyped because he is presented in every TL writeup and in many random forum posts as some godlike player who is the herald of our future elephant overlords. Now, don't confuse overhyped with bad, because I actually think he is quite good, but when it came down to it he was expected by the majority of people to win last night I think. In the end, despite how close it was, he lost to MVP, a guy who can't be brought up it seems without mentioning that he is a shadow of his former self.

The MKP comparison is more applicable to Taeja, but it works for both of them. If you remember the first half of this year, everyone was ready to crown MKP the best player in the world, on the basis of a bunch of random foreign tournament wins. When it came time for him to deliver in the GSL however, he was never able to come close to matching his foreign success. I wasn't trying to say that either Rain or Taeja were similar in playstyle to MKP, only that they are both being called contenders to be the best player in the world (or at least their race) without winning a GSL, much like MKP.
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 11:15 CosmicSpiral wrote:


Of course it's premature. Life has only been in this form for 2 months and is currently back in school. It would be a miracle of willpower and training if he manages to maintain this level of play until New Year's alone. But predicting a 4-0 is just plain stupid and insulting. He just made the second-best terran look like he didn't belong in Code S and Life was not favored in that series.
It is a mismatch of styles. Life isn't bad by any means, but MVP specifically is the type of player that I don't think his playstyle will do too well against. They both rely on mindgames more than anything to win, but MVP is better at it with a lot more experience. There was another finals with two players with kind of similar strengths facing off, Nestea vs Losira. In the end, the player that most would agree was better, Nestea, absolutely crushed. In addition, Life is known to favor aggressive strategies, and MVP doesn't tend to lose to those kind of players, at least in the GSL when he has time to prepare. Finally, though I am fairly sure it is just interview trash talk and nothing too serious, it would be stupid and insulting for Life to actually think he will achieve anything like a 4-1. He could definitely win, but if he does it will be close.


The style of MVP is to prepair certain builds for certain opponents. He doesnt have a style persay. He knows how to prepare a series. When Artosis says he has 1000 builds he's quite close to the truth there. He will study Life, learn his style, and prepare some of those builds and crush Life. And Nestea was practicaly unbeatable ZvZ when he played Loisira so i dont get your point.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
October 11 2012 06:19 GMT
#174
This recap looks biased on Mvp's side as hell. Even Mvp's losses look like victories. Also, did Rain give the victory to Mvp on Abyssal by sending 2 templars for storm drop ? I don't think so. It did matter a lot in the end, but it's not like Rain gave the game or this move was an obvious blunder. Maybe the EMPs would have also hit these 2 HTs if they were with the rest of the army anyway.
TheLetterQ
Profile Joined August 2011
United States65 Posts
October 11 2012 06:30 GMT
#175
On October 11 2012 15:06 lailaiwd wrote:
While I have no intention of personal attack, you seem to think that you know starcraft very well and are able to judge which players are good. Because Rain lost doesn't mean he didn't play great games. I don't think you understand the amount of mind game going on in that semi final. The lack of army confrontation shows how good the series was. Unlike your silver league matches, where kids keep trading each other inefficiently and the games look epic, the level of skills shown by mvp and rain are their decisions to hold back at the right moments. Mvp does have an injury, and if you think you can get to Code S with that kind of injury, I won't complain. Just because you wrote this long ass rant doesn't justify your starcraft knowledge. Learn some before talking shit, kid.

I don't think he's bad at all, I think he's a really good player, he got to the semifinals of the GSL, and at least the finals of the OSL, so that should be obvious. I just think he's a relatively new player on the scene, so people should maybe chill out a little bit when saying that he is the best thing since sliced bread. People throw around phrases like "best player in the world," or "best player of x race," or "one of the best in the world" all the time, and I think they get a little premature about it. I think that until a player has shown consistently good results over at least a few months we should just be conservative and say that they are just a real good player, instead of calling them "the best," or "unbeatable."
On October 11 2012 15:13 TheRidd wrote:

The style of MVP is to prepair certain builds for certain opponents. He doesnt have a style persay. He knows how to prepare a series. When Artosis says he has 1000 builds he's quite close to the truth there. He will study Life, learn his style, and prepare some of those builds and crush Life. And Nestea was practicaly unbeatable ZvZ when he played Loisira so i dont get your point.

That's kind of my point. I think Life has a similar style (though maybe a bit more on-the-fly), but MVP is probably better at it. What I was trying to get at with Losira v. Nestea was that at the time Losira and Nestea were both "good" at ZvZ, with similar styles, Nestea was just better, much like MVP is just better at preparation and mindgames. Upon hindsight though, it may have been a bad example.
etherealfall
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia476 Posts
October 11 2012 06:33 GMT
#176
On October 11 2012 14:28 TheLetterQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 10:16 epicdemic wrote:
How can you say Rain is overhyped? Rain is in the OSL finals currently and MvP had serious trouble beating him. Comparing him with MarineKing is just silly. MarineKing does either a really aggressive timing attack or a really greedy macro build, and got much of his success from that, combined with his micro. Rain's play style is almost the opposite. A lot of standard play. He doesn't cut corners often and uses mostly light pressure rather than straight up brute forcing his way to victory.

He is overhyped because he is presented in every TL writeup and in many random forum posts as some godlike player who is the herald of our future elephant overlords. Now, don't confuse overhyped with bad, because I actually think he is quite good, but when it came down to it he was expected by the majority of people to win last night I think. In the end, despite how close it was, he lost to MVP, a guy who can't be brought up it seems without mentioning that he is a shadow of his former self.

The MKP comparison is more applicable to Taeja, but it works for both of them. If you remember the first half of this year, everyone was ready to crown MKP the best player in the world, on the basis of a bunch of random foreign tournament wins. When it came time for him to deliver in the GSL however, he was never able to come close to matching his foreign success. I wasn't trying to say that either Rain or Taeja were similar in playstyle to MKP, only that they are both being called contenders to be the best player in the world (or at least their race) without winning a GSL, much like MKP.
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 11:15 CosmicSpiral wrote:


Of course it's premature. Life has only been in this form for 2 months and is currently back in school. It would be a miracle of willpower and training if he manages to maintain this level of play until New Year's alone. But predicting a 4-0 is just plain stupid and insulting. He just made the second-best terran look like he didn't belong in Code S and Life was not favored in that series.
It is a mismatch of styles. Life isn't bad by any means, but MVP specifically is the type of player that I don't think his playstyle will do too well against. They both rely on mindgames more than anything to win, but MVP is better at it with a lot more experience. There was another finals with two players with kind of similar strengths facing off, Nestea vs Losira. In the end, the player that most would agree was better, Nestea, absolutely crushed. In addition, Life is known to favor aggressive strategies, and MVP doesn't tend to lose to those kind of players, at least in the GSL when he has time to prepare. Finally, though I am fairly sure it is just interview trash talk and nothing too serious, it would be stupid and insulting for Life to actually think he will achieve anything like a 4-1. He could definitely win, but if he does it will be close.


Lol. There was a lot of hype around Rain. It wasn't overhype. He has a very solid macro play that is consistent across ALL match ups. Top players of each race have fell to him, and even MVP himself almost did.
Slangen
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden1166 Posts
October 11 2012 06:34 GMT
#177
MVP vs Life 4-0
Why make the king mad Life?
Fnatic - TSM - EG
dAijow
Profile Joined August 2012
7 Posts
October 11 2012 06:43 GMT
#178
Wow, lots of people counting out Life who just demolished Taeja, the best terran player today(Yes, he's better than MVP.)
xHISOKA
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2 Posts
October 11 2012 07:18 GMT
#179
I wanted to see MKP vs MVP part 2 but since MKP is making weird builds orders and losing vs scrubs I want MVP to owned Life for talking smack to the best player in SC2 history.
IM>YOU
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1920 Posts
October 11 2012 07:23 GMT
#180
On October 11 2012 15:43 dAijow wrote:
Wow, lots of people counting out Life who just demolished Taeja, the best terran player today(Yes, he's better than MVP.)


With he reminder that the GSL tournament format definitely suits no one better than Mvp... This is what Life should be scared of the most since Mvp just excels in preparation for certain match ups.

Do it Mvp! Demolish that kid (which is pretty good nevertheless)
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