[Code S] Semi-Finals Recap (S4) - Page 9

On October 11 2012 10:16 epicdemic wrote:
How can you say Rain is overhyped? Rain is in the OSL finals currently and MvP had serious trouble beating him. Comparing him with MarineKing is just silly. MarineKing does either a really aggressive timing attack or a really greedy macro build, and got much of his success from that, combined with his micro. Rain's play style is almost the opposite. A lot of standard play. He doesn't cut corners often and uses mostly light pressure rather than straight up brute forcing his way to victory.

On October 11 2012 11:15 CosmicSpiral wrote:


Of course it's premature. Life has only been in this form for 2 months and is currently back in school. It would be a miracle of willpower and training if he manages to maintain this level of play until New Year's alone. But predicting a 4-0 is just plain stupid and insulting. He just made the second-best terran look like he didn't belong in Code S and Life was not favored in that series.

On October 11 2012 14:28 TheLetterQ wrote:

He is overhyped because he is presented in every TL writeup and in many random forum posts as some godlike player who is the herald of our future elephant overlords. Now, don't confuse overhyped with bad, because I actually think he is quite good, but when it came down to it he was expected by the majority of people to win last night I think. In the end, despite how close it was, he lost to MVP, a guy who can't be brought up it seems without mentioning that he is a shadow of his former self.

The MKP comparison is more applicable to Taeja, but it works for both of them. If you remember the first half of this year, everyone was ready to crown MKP the best player in the world, on the basis of a bunch of random foreign tournament wins. When it came time for him to deliver in the GSL however, he was never able to come close to matching his foreign success. I wasn't trying to say that either Rain or Taeja were similar in playstyle to MKP, only that they are both being called contenders to be the best player in the world (or at least their race) without winning a GSL, much like MKP.
It is a mismatch of styles. Life isn't bad by any means, but MVP specifically is the type of player that I don't think his playstyle will do too well against. They both rely on mindgames more than anything to win, but MVP is better at it with a lot more experience. There was another finals with two players with kind of similar strengths facing off, Nestea vs Losira. In the end, the player that most would agree was better, Nestea, absolutely crushed. In addition, Life is known to favor aggressive strategies, and MVP doesn't tend to lose to those kind of players, at least in the GSL when he has time to prepare. Finally, though I am fairly sure it is just interview trash talk and nothing too serious, it would be stupid and insulting for Life to actually think he will achieve anything like a 4-1. He could definitely win, but if he does it will be close.

On October 11 2012 14:28 TheLetterQ wrote:

He is overhyped because he is presented in every TL writeup and in many random forum posts as some godlike player who is the herald of our future elephant overlords. Now, don't confuse overhyped with bad, because I actually think he is quite good, but when it came down to it he was expected by the majority of people to win last night I think. In the end, despite how close it was, he lost to MVP, a guy who can't be brought up it seems without mentioning that he is a shadow of his former self.

The MKP comparison is more applicable to Taeja, but it works for both of them. If you remember the first half of this year, everyone was ready to crown MKP the best player in the world, on the basis of a bunch of random foreign tournament wins. When it came time for him to deliver in the GSL however, he was never able to come close to matching his foreign success. I wasn't trying to say that either Rain or Taeja were similar in playstyle to MKP, only that they are both being called contenders to be the best player in the world (or at least their race) without winning a GSL, much like MKP.
It is a mismatch of styles. Life isn't bad by any means, but MVP specifically is the type of player that I don't think his playstyle will do too well against. They both rely on mindgames more than anything to win, but MVP is better at it with a lot more experience. There was another finals with two players with kind of similar strengths facing off, Nestea vs Losira. In the end, the player that most would agree was better, Nestea, absolutely crushed. In addition, Life is known to favor aggressive strategies, and MVP doesn't tend to lose to those kind of players, at least in the GSL when he has time to prepare. Finally, though I am fairly sure it is just interview trash talk and nothing too serious, it would be stupid and insulting for Life to actually think he will achieve anything like a 4-1. He could definitely win, but if he does it will be close.

On October 11 2012 15:06 lailaiwd wrote:
While I have no intention of personal attack, you seem to think that you know starcraft very well and are able to judge which players are good. Because Rain lost doesn't mean he didn't play great games. I don't think you understand the amount of mind game going on in that semi final. The lack of army confrontation shows how good the series was. Unlike your silver league matches, where kids keep trading each other inefficiently and the games look epic, the level of skills shown by mvp and rain are their decisions to hold back at the right moments. Mvp does have an injury, and if you think you can get to Code S with that kind of injury, I won't complain. Just because you wrote this long ass rant doesn't justify your starcraft knowledge. Learn some before talking shit, kid.

On October 11 2012 15:13 TheRidd wrote:

The style of MVP is to prepair certain builds for certain opponents. He doesnt have a style persay. He knows how to prepare a series. When Artosis says he has 1000 builds he's quite close to the truth there. He will study Life, learn his style, and prepare some of those builds and crush Life. And Nestea was practicaly unbeatable ZvZ when he played Loisira so i dont get your point.

On October 11 2012 14:28 TheLetterQ wrote:

He is overhyped because he is presented in every TL writeup and in many random forum posts as some godlike player who is the herald of our future elephant overlords. Now, don't confuse overhyped with bad, because I actually think he is quite good, but when it came down to it he was expected by the majority of people to win last night I think. In the end, despite how close it was, he lost to MVP, a guy who can't be brought up it seems without mentioning that he is a shadow of his former self.

The MKP comparison is more applicable to Taeja, but it works for both of them. If you remember the first half of this year, everyone was ready to crown MKP the best player in the world, on the basis of a bunch of random foreign tournament wins. When it came time for him to deliver in the GSL however, he was never able to come close to matching his foreign success. I wasn't trying to say that either Rain or Taeja were similar in playstyle to MKP, only that they are both being called contenders to be the best player in the world (or at least their race) without winning a GSL, much like MKP.
It is a mismatch of styles. Life isn't bad by any means, but MVP specifically is the type of player that I don't think his playstyle will do too well against. They both rely on mindgames more than anything to win, but MVP is better at it with a lot more experience. There was another finals with two players with kind of similar strengths facing off, Nestea vs Losira. In the end, the player that most would agree was better, Nestea, absolutely crushed. In addition, Life is known to favor aggressive strategies, and MVP doesn't tend to lose to those kind of players, at least in the GSL when he has time to prepare. Finally, though I am fairly sure it is just interview trash talk and nothing too serious, it would be stupid and insulting for Life to actually think he will achieve anything like a 4-1. He could definitely win, but if he does it will be close.

On October 11 2012 15:43 dAijow wrote:
Wow, lots of people counting out Life who just demolished Taeja, the best terran player today(Yes, he's better than MVP.)