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ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
October 11 2012 01:03 GMT
#141
wait a minute....

Life's Good

=

LG

I c wut u did thar
epicdemic
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands137 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-11 01:16:47
October 11 2012 01:16 GMT
#142
On October 11 2012 09:01 TheLetterQ wrote:
I'm pretty satisfied with this result, since I was of the opinion that Taeja and Rain, while great, are currently the two most overhyped players. Didn't people learn their lesson when they were calling MKP the best player in the world, only for him to never replicate his success in random foreign tournaments in the GSL booth? I think this is shaping up to be a repeat of season 2, where everyone in the semis except MVP is constantly being hyped and talked about as the next big thing, until MVP wins anyway.

MVP 4-0


How can you say Rain is overhyped? Rain is in the OSL finals currently and MvP had serious trouble beating him. Comparing him with MarineKing is just silly. MarineKing does either a really aggressive timing attack or a really greedy macro build, and got much of his success from that, combined with his micro. Rain's play style is almost the opposite. A lot of standard play. He doesn't cut corners often and uses mostly light pressure rather than straight up brute forcing his way to victory.
PXEnTei
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States209 Posts
October 11 2012 01:47 GMT
#143
Totaly 4-3, and i have to lean more toward MVP. Life is really good, but MVP is also really good, and he has more experience. If life wins, then he is now the best zerg in korea. (right now) mvp IS already sc2 bonjwa

MVP HWATING
"Sue me, dickhead!" -Thor
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-11 02:25:45
October 11 2012 02:15 GMT
#144
On October 11 2012 09:51 TheLetterQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
Tell me if I am wrong but Life didn't get almost any hype until Ro8 because of BM. It might seem like Life has a hype train now, but most GSL finalists do, this kid is THE dangerous element of the tournament and I couldn't think of a better way for this to have turned out. A better Story line then any other final possible from Ro4 imo.
Life was never overhyped to the degree that someone like Taeja was, but its been steadily growing. He was discussed as a serious royal road contender early on. Now people are saying he is possibly the best zerg in the world. I don't think its impossible, but its definitely premature, considering that it is based almost entirely off of a finals placement in one tournament. He is certainly a dangerous person to play, but I don't think his famed unpredictability is really going to phase someone like MVP, who has been winning games ever since one-basing was standard.


Of course it's premature. Life has only been in this form for 2 months and is currently back in school. It would be a miracle of willpower and training if he manages to maintain this level of play until New Year's alone. But predicting a 4-0 is just plain stupid and insulting. He just made the second-best terran look like he didn't belong in Code S and Life was not favored in that series.

On October 11 2012 09:23 Goshdarnit wrote:

Tell me if I am wrong but Life didn't get almost any hype until Ro8 because of BM. It might seem like Life has a hype train now, but most GSL finalists do, this kid is THE dangerous element of the tournament and I couldn't think of a better way for this to have turned out. A better Story line then any other final possible from Ro4 imo.


In the Round of 16 he was "lucky" that he managed to get one of the weaker groups. In the Round of 16 he was "lucky" that he won a base trade with Seed in the deciding game. He was supposed to lose to MarineKing because he was inexperienced, he was supposed to lose to Taeja because Taeja was better than him. And now people are using the same silly rationalizations for the finals. When has Life shown that he cares about reputation, experience, fortune? There were a million people who were "better" than him in the past, and there will be more like that in the future. He is like Mvp in that sense: he just decides that he can win any series and does it regardless of what we forum people say.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
October 11 2012 02:18 GMT
#145
On October 11 2012 11:15 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 09:51 TheLetterQ wrote:
Tell me if I am wrong but Life didn't get almost any hype until Ro8 because of BM. It might seem like Life has a hype train now, but most GSL finalists do, this kid is THE dangerous element of the tournament and I couldn't think of a better way for this to have turned out. A better Story line then any other final possible from Ro4 imo.
Life was never overhyped to the degree that someone like Taeja was, but its been steadily growing. He was discussed as a serious royal road contender early on. Now people are saying he is possibly the best zerg in the world. I don't think its impossible, but its definitely premature, considering that it is based almost entirely off of a finals placement in one tournament. He is certainly a dangerous person to play, but I don't think his famed unpredictability is really going to phase someone like MVP, who has been winning games ever since one-basing was standard.


Of course it's premature. Life has only been in this form for 2 months and is currently back in school. It would be a miracle of willpower and training if he manages to maintain this level of play until New Year's alone.


He also got second in TSL.

+ Show Spoiler +
and qualified for MLG via KR qualifiers


So although it might a tad early to say he is THE best zerg is the world. He is definitely up there.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-11 02:21:53
October 11 2012 02:20 GMT
#146
On October 11 2012 11:18 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 11:15 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On October 11 2012 09:51 TheLetterQ wrote:
Tell me if I am wrong but Life didn't get almost any hype until Ro8 because of BM. It might seem like Life has a hype train now, but most GSL finalists do, this kid is THE dangerous element of the tournament and I couldn't think of a better way for this to have turned out. A better Story line then any other final possible from Ro4 imo.
Life was never overhyped to the degree that someone like Taeja was, but its been steadily growing. He was discussed as a serious royal road contender early on. Now people are saying he is possibly the best zerg in the world. I don't think its impossible, but its definitely premature, considering that it is based almost entirely off of a finals placement in one tournament. He is certainly a dangerous person to play, but I don't think his famed unpredictability is really going to phase someone like MVP, who has been winning games ever since one-basing was standard.


Of course it's premature. Life has only been in this form for 2 months and is currently back in school. It would be a miracle of willpower and training if he manages to maintain this level of play until New Year's alone.


He also got second in TSL.

+ Show Spoiler +
and qualified for MLG via KR qualifiers


So although it might a tad early to say he is THE best zerg is the world. He is definitely up there.


I'm his biggest fan and that is going too far. If he wins MLG Fall and IPL5 then he would have a strong case for it, and only a "he's the best zerg at the moment" argument. I do believe that he can be the best zerg in the world for a long time but he has distractions right now. Beating Mvp would be a huge step in the right direction.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
October 11 2012 02:26 GMT
#147
Predicting that MVP will teach Life a lesson
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10344 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-11 02:47:47
October 11 2012 02:46 GMT
#148
On October 11 2012 08:22 Joe12 wrote:
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On October 11 2012 08:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Uh... why does everyone keep saying MVP is going for is 5th title? Am I missing something? TLPD and Liquipedia only show that he's won Code S three times, not 4. Counting the 2011 World Championship as a GSL win seems misleading. It was an "event where a team of all-stars from South Korea take on top players from Europe." I know it was based on GSL points, but it was a special event.

Edit: it's like if Flash counted his GoMtv Star Invitational win in 2008 as a legitimate league title. None of his fans do.


It was a special event, but GOM and everyone else agrees that it counts. So yeah, It counts.

Fair enough, that's why I asked
On October 11 2012 09:11 teamhozac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 08:22 Joe12 wrote:
On October 11 2012 08:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Uh... why does everyone keep saying MVP is going for is 5th title? Am I missing something? TLPD and Liquipedia only show that he's won Code S three times, not 4. Counting the 2011 World Championship as a GSL win seems misleading. It was an "event where a team of all-stars from South Korea take on top players from Europe." I know it was based on GSL points, but it was a special event.

Edit: it's like if Flash counted his GoMtv Star Invitational win in 2008 as a legitimate league title. None of his fans do.


It was a special event, but GOM and everyone else agrees that it counts. So yeah, It counts.


I dont know, if mountaindewjunkie says its not, maybe we should reconsider?

dohohohoho
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teamhozac
Profile Joined April 2012
404 Posts
October 11 2012 02:53 GMT
#149
On October 11 2012 11:46 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 08:22 Joe12 wrote:
On October 11 2012 08:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Uh... why does everyone keep saying MVP is going for is 5th title? Am I missing something? TLPD and Liquipedia only show that he's won Code S three times, not 4. Counting the 2011 World Championship as a GSL win seems misleading. It was an "event where a team of all-stars from South Korea take on top players from Europe." I know it was based on GSL points, but it was a special event.

Edit: it's like if Flash counted his GoMtv Star Invitational win in 2008 as a legitimate league title. None of his fans do.


It was a special event, but GOM and everyone else agrees that it counts. So yeah, It counts.

Fair enough, that's why I asked
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 09:11 teamhozac wrote:
On October 11 2012 08:22 Joe12 wrote:
On October 11 2012 08:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Uh... why does everyone keep saying MVP is going for is 5th title? Am I missing something? TLPD and Liquipedia only show that he's won Code S three times, not 4. Counting the 2011 World Championship as a GSL win seems misleading. It was an "event where a team of all-stars from South Korea take on top players from Europe." I know it was based on GSL points, but it was a special event.

Edit: it's like if Flash counted his GoMtv Star Invitational win in 2008 as a legitimate league title. None of his fans do.


It was a special event, but GOM and everyone else agrees that it counts. So yeah, It counts.


I dont know, if mountaindewjunkie says its not, maybe we should reconsider?

dohohohoho


Just bustin your balls
SpunXtain03
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia66 Posts
October 11 2012 03:37 GMT
#150
Better win this one MVP, it'll be your last chance.

Next season Flash is coming. The pre-Kespa days may belong to MVP, but Flash is on his way.
shadowy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Bulgaria305 Posts
October 11 2012 03:37 GMT
#151
Life might be arrogant (and talented) as much as he wish, but I do not bet against MVP. 5th GSL title - here we go.
[Fear the leather Gracket!] // ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ // Liquid'Hero hwaiting!
Tibbroar
Profile Joined June 2011
United States161 Posts
October 11 2012 03:38 GMT
#152
I just don't think Life's style matches up well against Mvp. He's pretty much July reincarnate, and Mvp has shown for ages that he can absolutely dismantle rampant aggression with ease.
I will always believe in the fallen king.
VerifyDeezNuts
Profile Joined February 2012
United States21 Posts
October 11 2012 03:40 GMT
#153
MVP too easy
Hold Dat
LowEloPlayer
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States205 Posts
October 11 2012 03:44 GMT
#154
what's with all the anti-life predictions saying 4-0 lol

Mvp 4-2 Life if all goes well for MVP, if MVP is somehow human then 4-2 Life. It's impossible to predict. If MVP keeps his air of immortality when he palys Life, then he has it. If Life is good enough that even MVP can't figure him out, then Life will crush.
hmm... let's think about it
DeCoder
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland236 Posts
October 11 2012 04:04 GMT
#155
It's time for the old champ to retire and give his damaged body some long overdue rest. Life will prevail!
etherealfall
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia476 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-11 04:05:19
October 11 2012 04:04 GMT
#156
MVP isn't simply immortal by any means, and I think games against Rain further point out his strong point = his ability to recognize greed and exploit a timing with a SCV pull. The fifth game ended because he KNEW Rain couldn't have an established army to hold off his own after losing so many DTs and after seeing the colossus tech. Colossus is good but not good enough without a set of meat shields. Had Rain been able to do more damage/retain 4 DTs for Archons, I highly doubt MVP would have pulled SCVs for the cut-throat blow. In saying that, MVP has my utmost respect for being able to analyze the game so well.

If Life doesn't NEEDLESSLY trade, I predict 4-2 MVP.
MythZero
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)102 Posts
October 11 2012 04:15 GMT
#157
MVP~!!!!!
ShAdZ_ZX
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia635 Posts
October 11 2012 04:18 GMT
#158
Not as convinced by Life as some others seem to be. He's really damn good, and the series was very one sided, but Taeja did some really stupid shit that cost him big. Put it this way, I wasn't blown away by Life's play, not even close in fact.

Game 1 was pretty much dead even. Even when Taeja was caught out, he still managed to keep the game at a relatively level playing field, until he lost large group of SCV's unnecessarily.

Game 2... well... we all know what happened.

Game 3, This was the only game where I thought Life really outplayed Taeja. But to be honest, Taeja appeared to be pretty tilted by the first two games, he didn't play particularly well in game 3.

Still, congrats to life. Honestly, I think he'll be doing well to take a game off of MVP, so I'm going to say MVP 4-1 in the finals.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-11 04:28:00
October 11 2012 04:21 GMT
#159
On October 11 2012 13:18 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:
Not as convinced by Life as some others seem to be. He's really damn good, and the series was very one sided, but Taeja did some really stupid shit that cost him big. Put it this way, I wasn't blown away by Life's play, not even close in fact.

Game 1 was pretty much dead even. Even when Taeja was caught out, he still managed to keep the game at a relatively level playing field, until he lost large group of SCV's unnecessarily.

Game 2... well... we all know what happened.

Game 3, This was the only game where I thought Life really outplayed Taeja. But to be honest, Taeja appeared to be pretty tilted by the first two games, he didn't play particularly well in game 3.

Still, congrats to life. Honestly, I think he'll be doing well to take a game off of MVP, so I'm going to say MVP 4-1 in the finals.


Game 1: Not unnecessary. Tastosis were too distracted by the massacre in the main to understand why Taeja pulled his SCVs, and assumed it was a misclick. Life actually set up an ambush with his lings and banelings along the reinforcement line and caught the SCVs being sent back.

Game 2: Not that big of a deal. Hotkey mistake that cost some mining time.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Discarder
Profile Joined July 2012
Philippines411 Posts
October 11 2012 04:24 GMT
#160
That is so much heartbreak for taeja. However for this finals, life cannot be subpar in any aspect in the game to defeat mvp because mindgames are mvp's specialty.
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