Rain or Shine, Mvp Always Delivers – Mvp defeats Rain 3 – 2 to advance to the Code S finals, where he will attempt to win his fifth GSL championship.
The hype was incredible. The stakes were astronomical. And the ending? All too predictable. LG-IM_Mvp, the greatest StarCraft II player to date, made it to yet another GSL final to challenge for his fifth title. And as is becoming a trend in 2012, a rising star was told that he must wait his turn, that the age of Mvp has yet to pass.
Though SKTelecom_By.Rain fell here, he has nothing to regret. He has proved he is an elite player, the best of the KeSPA elephants, and can look forward to completing his Royal Road dreams in the OSL. And in the "lost to Mvp" club, he'll find some very respectable company.
Game One – Whirlwind
Mvp started the series off on the back foot, going down 0 - 1 early. Opening with a moderately successful hellion drop-expansion build on Whirlwind, Mvp committed a massive error in his defensive positioning as Rain struck with a two base immortal + gateway unit attack. Though Mvp managed to barely hold out against the attack, the damage turned out to be irreparable, and Mvp GG'd out few minutes later after a last ditch attack.
Game Two – Abyssal City
After taking a surprisingly easy victory in game one, Rain made an almost conciliatory gesture by offering Mvp a similar victory in game two. The build-up was fairly long, with both players prodding at each other but otherwise safely heading towards a 3-base vs. 3-base scenario on Abyssal City.
The key moment of the game came when Rain decided to go for one of his patented storm drops while Mvp moved out with a large force of infantry. While the storm drop killed a handful of SCVs, Rain found himself sorely missing the two extra storms on defense as Mvp charged in – especially after his defending force clumped together to eat a devastating EMP shower. With Rain lacking the splash damage to challenge the Terran army, the game came to a swift end, and the series was tied 1 – 1.
Game Three – Entombed Valley
Mvp decided he wanted to go all-in in game three, but Rain complicated matters by constantly denying him his timings. Opening up with a marine heavy variant of standard two-base infantry play, Mvp looked for an opening where he could attack together with a large amount of SCVs before Rain had his defenses set.
However, good observer coverage allowed Rain to keep up with Mvp's plans, and he wisely canceled his warping third Nexus and turtled up on two bases. This forced Mvp to retreat his SCVs back to his base and bide his time for an even later all-in, this time adding vikings to take on Rain's colossi. However, Rain simply used force-fields to delay Mvp until his storm research completed, after which he crushed Mvp's attack for an easy victory that sent him up 2 – 1.
Game Four – Antiga Shipyard
Facing elimination, and perhaps having caught on to a tendency to play safe from Rain, Mvp busted out a greedy triple-command center build for game four. It turned out to be the precisely right move for Mvp, as he forced a reaction from Rain where he tried to expand, tech, and get upgrades all at the same time. Having consolidated his third base first, this gave Mvp a window to attack before Rain switched back to producing combat units in earnest. Mvp busted through Rain's piecemeal defenses and dealt a him a heavy blow, though Rain did manage to survive.
From there on out, it was just a matter of picking up the pieces for Mvp, though the process became far messier than it needed to be. Some sloppy drops from Mvp gave Rain a glimmer of hope, but eventually Mvp brought the hammer down to send the series to the final map.
Game Five – Cloud Kingdom
With everything on the line, Rain opted to diverge from his totally safe, fast-expand + 3-gate-robo style of play for the first time in the series. Instead he went for a slightly riskier fast-expand with dark templars – a build he used to transition into a normal game against TaeJa previously in the tournament.
Unfortunately for Rain, he was countered hard by Mvp's strategy: another triple-orbital build, but this time with the addition of a perfectly timed missile turret (in an interview, Mvp would say that 'he had a feeling' Rain was up to something). Rain tried to keep Mvp busy with dark templars as he took a third base and transitioned into colossi, but it the invisible warriors couldn't get enough done. While Rain was able to force Mvp to waste a good number of scans, he couldn't stop Mvp from leveraging his economic advantage to jump ahead.
With multiple options in how to play out his advantageous situation, Mvp decided to go with the time-honored "just go kill him." While he didn't have a standing army large enough to 100% assure a victory, the enlistment of several SCVs easily remedied that problem. Mvp's combined forces kicked down the front door, and Rain was powerless to resist. The final GG of the night was given, and Mvp took the series 3 – 2.
Mvp wants...
After the matches, Mvp was understandably happy, but also far more outwardly confident than usual. He welcomed any challenger in the final, assured that he would be able to win his fifth championship regardless of his opponent. He did mention a slight preference for Life, for the sake of GomTV and their ratings, as well as wanting to defeat every single race in the finals. The plot would soon thicken...
Life Sentence Means Death – Life crushes TaeJa 3 – 0 to advance to the finals in his debut GSL tournament.
You're only the next big thing until the next, bigger thing comes along. Liquid`TaeJa came into this tournament with all the momentum in the world behind him, needing only a Code S Championship to cap off a brilliant summer run. However, in the span of a few weeks, ST_Life came up even stronger and faster, and last night took all of TaeJa's momentum away. It wasn't just that Life beat TaeJa, he absolutely dismantled him. The bandwagon is here, the line forms to the right.
Game One – Abyssal City
The first game played out like a strange retro-game from 2011, with TaeJa opening fast expand directly into infantry, while Life opted to go for muta-ling-bane off two bases. As was the case in many games from that bygone era, the Zerg player went for a big backstab attack when the Terran player left his base with stim and medivacs. This particular game played out in an interesting way, with the pseudo-base race resulting in both players almost breaking even. Almost, until Life's speedlings caught up with a pack of SCVs that TaeJa had tried to evacuate in the chaos.
TaeJa did what he could from his economically disadvantaged position, but the damage was already too grave. Life deflected TaeJa's drop tactics with mutalisks and eventually built up a large enough force to overwhelm TaeJa and take the 1 – 0 series lead.
Game Two – Whirlwind
Within minutes, it looked like TaeJa was getting himself right back on track. He went for a command center-first build, but a slightly conservative one that formed a wall-in at his ramp alongside a depot and a barracks. It turned out that it was perfectly timed to stop Life's 9-pool rush, with the wall completing just as the zerglings arrived, and a marine not far behind.
Then, TaeJa lowered his depot. We don't yet know why or how, but in any case, it happened. With one immense mistake, TaeJa went from having a massive build order lead to being just on par with his opponent.
From there on out, the game went in standard Life style. Going up to three bases, Life amassed a huge amount of mutas, banelings, and zerglings to go for a mid-game bust. TaeJa knew it was coming, but it didn't matter. Life busted through marines, tanks, and bunkers until he hit paydirt in the SCV line. Continued strikes put TaeJa in an even deeper hole, and after he lost his third orbital command, he was forced into a desperation attack. However, Life had infestors out by then, and defended with ease to go up 2 – 0.
Game Three – Entombed Valley
After winning two games with lair compositions, Life showed he was more than comfortable playing with hive units to finish the 3 – 0 sweep. It was TaeJa's chance to play something that more closely resembled a 'standard' game, but even with Life acting more like an ordinary Zerg, TaeJa could not triumph. His pre-hive marine-tank push was easily crushed by Life's zerglings and infestors, and once brood lords and ultralisks hit the battlefield, it was all downhill. After a few minutes trying to hold out, TaeJa eventually accepted the inevitable and wished his opponent good luck in the final before GG'ing out of the game.
Confidence overwhelming
What would a Life series be without one of his comically blunt interviews? Life gave Mvp the absolute minimum amount of respect required, saying his macro play was 'not good' and that he was successful due to his ability to strategize in lengthy series. Not surprisingly, Life also predicted a 4 – 1 victory for himself in the finals. While Mvp had left the studio by that point, one can assume he was rather amused when he heard the news.
Writer: Waxangel. Graphics and Art: Meko. Editors: Waxangel.
No matter who wins the finals it will be pretty big. If MVP takes his fifth GSL Title he is undoubtly the best player to touch SC2 so far. No one else came even close to winning 4. If Life wins the Finals he will be the first to walk down the whole Royal Road. The hype around him will be huge.
My brain says that MVP will take the fifth Title, but my gut feeling says Life will be the winner. My gut was right in the simfinals so i think I'll go with 4-2 for Life.
I have a friend in Puerto Rico that told me yesterday-no Rain is gonna win, better yet Taeja is gonna win it all and yadayadayada. BOOM BABY MVP's throne is not for sale !!!!!!!!!!
I had put yet again my money against MVP, and he showed me how retarded I was by winning against what looked like a player who had reached a level of perfection never witnessed before. So like a lot of people here on TL, I'll never, ever bet against him again. As scary as Life is, MVP will dismantle him exactly like he did with so many pseudo-overhyped-future champions.
On October 11 2012 01:38 OlSpiced wrote: I am so freaking hyped for these finals.
No matter who wins the finals it will be pretty big. If MVP takes his fifth GSL Title he is undoubtly the best player to touch SC2 so far. No one else came even close to winning 4. If Life wins the Finals he will be the first to walk down the whole Royal Road. The hype around him will be huge.
My brain says that MVP will take the fifth Title, but my gut feeling says Life will be the winner. My gut was right in the simfinals so i think I'll go with 4-2 for Life.
I think undoubtedly MVP is the best player to touch SC2, but I get what you are saying. The 5th will cement him into SC2 history even further, He will be the original king of GOM studios.
Personally I'm gonna say MVP 4-0 over Life. Life is still really young, it's his first finals, and he knows he's going up against MVP. Those 3 factors alone are enough to make the poor kid shake in his booth, then throw in how confident he knows MVP is gonna be. I think it's a recipe for disaster and Life is gonna get trashed. I PRAY he proves me wrong though as I would love to see another 4-3 finals.
Weeeeh, just the results I was hoping for! Mvp taking out Rain to prevent a Kespa win in the first GSL they participated in. Life or Taeja was kindda meeeh, although Life is slightly more interesting in interviews.
On October 11 2012 02:00 rkshox wrote: Taeja injured maybe? he wasn't performing well in MCSL and IPTL the days leading up =(
It'd be pretty stupid of TL to demand him for MCSL and IPTL if he is injured, also I am quite certain someone would have said it if he was injured.
I just fear the MVP will go mass hellion every game and win... well maybe one game he will go hellion/banshee. Still, I will be cheering for life. 5 GSL will be too many for anyone to top. But I think 4 will leave a window for a new player to dominate in the future years.
I'm going to give Life the benefit of the doubt here.
I think the series will be closer than 4-0 or 4-1. I think Life has it in him to kill MVP twice in a best of 7, but I just don't think he has what it takes to beat the king.
Surprisingly Life is very well received among Korean audience, and has a lot of fans and hype despite his perceived "cockiness", because he used to post in the forums and interact with fans a lot, and many Korean netizens consider him "one of us".
I see that Mvp vs Rain was the story of the semis for most of the western audience, but among Koreans Taeja vs Life was just as hyped, if not more.
Word on the streets is that this finals would easily break previous attendance records, if not for one simple fact: the place they chose for the finals is woefully small, with a capacity of only 1000 people. Somewhat justified, since attendance in GSL S3 finals and Proleague finals were very underwelming, so they probably didn't want to risk wasting money, but at least 3000 people are expected to show up for this match of Korean fan favorites.
MVP will 4-2 Life in my opinion. I had predicted Taeja and MVP in the finals, but really didn't expect life to actually crush Taeja in his best match-up with that much momentum. However, I seriously can't count out MVP, he is the king after all and I doubt he's willing to pass the torch just yet.
On October 11 2012 02:24 JKM wrote: Weeeeh, just the results I was hoping for! Mvp taking out Rain to prevent a Kespa win in the first GSL they participated in. Life or Taeja was kindda meeeh, although Life is slightly more interesting in interviews.
Excited for this finals. I'm not sure who is going to win. MVP is MVP, but Life is tearing all terrans apart easily. Yeah he lost to keen once, but he had that game 90% before going full foreigner probably due to overconfidence at that point. I thought Taeja would put up more of a fight considering he got to watch life play so many tvz lately and it was known life would go ling/bane 100%. Yet taeja knew that and still couldn't stop it. MVP is going to know that too and I want to see what plans he's cooked up to stop it. Life is just looking so damn impressive that I don't know if he can be beat at this point.
In my opinion, Rain played a very disappointing series. Except for the first game, the whole series was of Rain getting greedy and Mvp punishing him for it. There were no close games, no back and forth - just Rain getting greedy with economy/tech and getting run over .
Life was impressive though, I love his style and I am glad it surprised Taeja so.
The lesson here is to not bet against MVP. Even getting here is an amazing feat, but I really can't see him not finish it, much as I'd like to root for a Zerg.
Are you kidding me Life 3-0ed Taeja dang! I had TvT GSL finals but I guess I was wrong. MVP man you got my respect 2 rax Life to death make him eat his own words ^_^. GL to both players in the finals thanks for the sum up nice read.
Why is nobody ever saying the same for Mvp as his opponents ? Yet he always seems to win. I'm rooting for him since forever and everytime people are saying that his opponent is fucking unbeatable and then he goes down and we all start to do the same again. The truth is that recently, everytime people have made it seem that Mvp was the underdog, he wasn't really. He plays up to the level of his opponent.
On October 11 2012 03:37 ColtraneL wrote: Why is nobody ever saying the same for Mvp as his opponents ? Yet he always seems to win. I'm rooting for him since forever and everytime people are saying that his opponent is fucking unbeatable and then he goes down and we all start to do the same again. The truth is that recently, everytime people have made it seem that Mvp was the underdog, he wasn't really. He plays up to the level of his opponent.
Mvp doesnt elevate his play he brings his opponents plays down to his level and then they get slaughter. Not saying Mvp is a bad player just saying that he doesn't let anyone play his best when they are in a series vs him.
On October 11 2012 03:37 ColtraneL wrote: Why is nobody ever saying the same for Mvp as his opponents ? Yet he always seems to win. I'm rooting for him since forever and everytime people are saying that his opponent is fucking unbeatable and then he goes down and we all start to do the same again. The truth is that recently, everytime people have made it seem that Mvp was the underdog, he wasn't really. He plays up to the level of his opponent.
Mvp doesnt elevate his play he brings his opponents plays down to his level and then they get slaughter. Not saying Mvp is a bad player just saying that he doesn't let anyone play his best when they are in a series vs him.
I never realized MVP was the "Cursed Terran" and that everyone that faces him automatically succumbs to an irresistable aura of "play worse than usual". No wonder he wins all the time!
I'm not going to vocalize any prediction, but I think it would be funny if Life won after everyone who hadn't learned not to be against MVP finally learned their lesson... and were proven that MVP just doesn't like predictions being right nowadays as opposed to dominating
On October 11 2012 01:38 OlSpiced wrote: I am so freaking hyped for these finals.
No matter who wins the finals it will be pretty big. If MVP takes his fifth GSL Title he is undoubtly the best player to touch SC2 so far. No one else came even close to winning 4. If Life wins the Finals he will be the first to walk down the whole Royal Road. The hype around him will be huge.
My brain says that MVP will take the fifth Title, but my gut feeling says Life will be the winner. My gut was right in the simfinals so i think I'll go with 4-2 for Life.
I agree with literally every word and opinion expressed in this post.
On October 11 2012 03:37 ColtraneL wrote: Why is nobody ever saying the same for Mvp as his opponents ? Yet he always seems to win. I'm rooting for him since forever and everytime people are saying that his opponent is fucking unbeatable and then he goes down and we all start to do the same again. The truth is that recently, everytime people have made it seem that Mvp was the underdog, he wasn't really. He plays up to the level of his opponent.
Mvp doesnt elevate his play he brings his opponents plays down to his level and then they get slaughter. Not saying Mvp is a bad player just saying that he doesn't let anyone play his best when they are in a series vs him.
I never realized MVP was the "Cursed Terran" and that everyone that faces him automatically succumbs to an irresistable aura of "play worse than usual". No wonder he wins all the time!
Its amazing to me that Mvp has won so goddamned much, beaten every player ever, pretty much, and yet somehow he's managed to do it in a way which makes calling him "Bonjwa" seem silly and premature.
How the fuck do you win 5 of the biggest tournament in Starcraft 2 and not be considered dominant? It is a mystery.
Excellent writeup, Mvp going through is something I dared hope for, but did not expect. Still, I think one of the best moves he did in the series was that, when he wanted to end the game, he sent all his scv's. That bit extra firepower gave him series.
On October 11 2012 04:32 GuitarBizarre wrote: Its amazing to me that Mvp has won so goddamned much, beaten every player ever, pretty much, and yet somehow he's managed to do it in a way which makes calling him "Bonjwa" seem silly and premature.
How the fuck do you win 5 of the biggest tournament in Starcraft 2 and not be considered dominant? It is a mystery.
They were all scattered over 2 years, and the sheer volume of tournaments (and variability of opponents) in SC2 greatly outweighs its predecessor.
Whoo, exactly as I thought would happen. Life has gotten damn good in the last few weeks, and I didn't think Taeja stood a chance. Would have guess Rain would only get 1 game off MVP though.
I wish taeja advanced, since i was cheering for him to win the whole thing, but it's alright since it would be a gomtvt finals otherwise, and i've finally found a zerg who uses aggressive play and mutalisks in every game, which makes life my new favourite zerg. Life hwating!!!!! First sc2 royal roader!
On October 11 2012 04:32 GuitarBizarre wrote: Its amazing to me that Mvp has won so goddamned much, beaten every player ever, pretty much, and yet somehow he's managed to do it in a way which makes calling him "Bonjwa" seem silly and premature.
How the fuck do you win 5 of the biggest tournament in Starcraft 2 and not be considered dominant? It is a mystery.
They were all scattered over 2 years, and the sheer volume of tournaments (and variability of opponents) in SC2 greatly outweighs its predecessor.
I am huge Mvp fanboi, but in before the game I felt that loss for the Terran is inevitable. Rain seemed so strong, almost invincible so far in GSL and OSL. Well, Mvp showed up once again, that he is the victor in its pure form. ... I am quite sure, that his victory over Rain was the evidence, that it doesnt matter who is he playing against, because he isnt one of the GSL or KeSPA pack of progamers, HE IS MVP. I am quite excited to see Life as first Royal roader after his performance in this year's GSL, but much more I hope, that Mvp will be able to take fifth championship title. It would make a true legend of him, and that is what he deserves. Became the legend. GoGo Mvp.
On October 11 2012 04:32 GuitarBizarre wrote: Its amazing to me that Mvp has won so goddamned much, beaten every player ever, pretty much, and yet somehow he's managed to do it in a way which makes calling him "Bonjwa" seem silly and premature.
How the fuck do you win 5 of the biggest tournament in Starcraft 2 and not be considered dominant? It is a mystery.
They were all scattered over 2 years, and the sheer volume of tournaments (and variability of opponents) in SC2 greatly outweighs its predecessor.
he still won so much more than anyone else i mean MC wins alot aswell but he attends like 3-5 times more tournaments than mvp
mvp has the perfect mix of godly macro, strong micro (i believe there are better players though), an incredible decision making paired with perfectly chosen builds almost in any longer series
and probably best of all: he is capable of playing ANY build to almost perfection - he does a slow paced mech with heavy hellion aggression, a fast paced tank marine, ultra greedy and ultra all in-ish plays like noone else can do it on this level
he never recklessly attacks into ppl unless absolutely certain he can take a fight, he doesn't drop a gazillion marines/marauder into well defended areas like MKP or MMA
thats why he is the most dominant player to play this game and truefully deserves this title before anybody else
mvp's wins aren't often as spectacular like gumiho's or MMA's but for gods sake, he wins because he plays that way and not because he wants to produce clutch games
Is it only me feeling that Taeja did not play to his full potential? Not that he overextended or fucked up a lot, except for the depot, he just got himself into inferior positions all the time and there were several occasions in which a bunch of blings would just roll uncontested up to his third and shit.
I certainly don't underestimate Life, he's great. Saying that he dismantled Taeja sounds like Taeja was playing his best and getting shut down which I don't think is the case, though.
I actually want Life to win. Not because i like him better, i like both of them. But Mvp is already a living legend in SC2, and i don't mind if he takes a fifth GSL Title, hell i wouldn't mind if he makes it 10 over the next 2 years. But imagine for a second, everyone is talking about the elephant, rain, the potential royal roader, stomping esf players left and right, steamrolling over the old SC2 world and at the end of the day there we have life, a 15 year old zerg, coming out of "nowhere" (because rain had all the attention) and is the real royal roader. I kinda like that thought.
On October 11 2012 05:29 CYFAWS wrote: Is it only me feeling that Taeja did not play to his full potential? Not that he overextended or fucked up a lot, except for the depot, he just got himself into inferior positions all the time and there were several occasions in which a bunch of blings would just roll uncontested up to his third and shit.
I certainly don't underestimate Life, he's great. Saying that he dismantled Taeja sounds like Taeja was playing his best and getting shut down which I don't think is the case, though.
Life's playstyle is unrelentless, a.k.a. the kind that easily forces errors. From TaeJa's point of view he probably had a harder time playing his best compared to usual solely due to the type of play he was matched against.
On October 11 2012 05:29 CYFAWS wrote: Is it only me feeling that Taeja did not play to his full potential? Not that he overextended or fucked up a lot, except for the depot, he just got himself into inferior positions all the time and there were several occasions in which a bunch of blings would just roll uncontested up to his third and shit.
I certainly don't underestimate Life, he's great. Saying that he dismantled Taeja sounds like Taeja was playing his best and getting shut down which I don't think is the case, though.
Life's playstyle is unrelentless, a.k.a. the kind that easily forces errors. From TaeJa's point of view he probably had a harder time playing his best compared to usual solely due to the type of play he was matched against.
Yeah i guess that's totally true but it's not like Taeja hasn't faced, and destroyed, that kind of play before. I was dissapointed in his play even though i'm not really a fanboy. If i would replace my liquibet, it would still be on Taeja. (not so with mvp vs rain. silly brain, mvp doesn't lose)
I think Mvp wins. Life has quite a prefered style of play that Mvp could exploit.
It's still impressive how Mvp manages to win so much, even when people call him "not as good" or when he has an injury. He does live up to his namesake: "I am, M.V.P."
On October 11 2012 04:32 GuitarBizarre wrote: Its amazing to me that Mvp has won so goddamned much, beaten every player ever, pretty much, and yet somehow he's managed to do it in a way which makes calling him "Bonjwa" seem silly and premature.
How the fuck do you win 5 of the biggest tournament in Starcraft 2 and not be considered dominant? It is a mystery.
They were all scattered over 2 years, and the sheer volume of tournaments (and variability of opponents) in SC2 greatly outweighs its predecessor.
14 Top 4 Finishes in "premier" tournaments. 8 golds.
The only one in his neighborhood is MC with 15 Top 4's, but only 4 golds.
People forget how dominate Mvp really is, because he just does it efficiently and quietly.
I explained to you why Mvp is not considered dominant by some people, not whether he really is dominant. That would require more statistical analysis that simply listing his accomplishments.
On October 11 2012 04:32 GuitarBizarre wrote: Its amazing to me that Mvp has won so goddamned much, beaten every player ever, pretty much, and yet somehow he's managed to do it in a way which makes calling him "Bonjwa" seem silly and premature.
How the fuck do you win 5 of the biggest tournament in Starcraft 2 and not be considered dominant? It is a mystery.
They were all scattered over 2 years, and the sheer volume of tournaments (and variability of opponents) in SC2 greatly outweighs its predecessor.
he still won so much more than anyone else i mean MC wins alot aswell but he attends like 3-5 times more tournaments than mvp
mvp has the perfect mix of godly macro, strong micro (i believe there are better players though), an incredible decision making paired with perfectly chosen builds almost in any longer series
and probably best of all: he is capable of playing ANY build to almost perfection - he does a slow paced mech with heavy hellion aggression, a fast paced tank marine, ultra greedy and ultra all in-ish plays like noone else can do it on this level
he never recklessly attacks into ppl unless absolutely certain he can take a fight, he doesn't drop a gazillion marines/marauder into well defended areas like MKP or MMA
thats why he is the most dominant player to play this game and truefully deserves this title before anybody else
mvp's wins aren't often as spectacular like gumiho's or MMA's but for gods sake, he wins because he plays that way and not because he wants to produce clutch games
He is the most dominant player in SC2 history but his dominance extended over two main spurts.
To be honest, I was really disappointed with Rain's last game. Come on, he had like 4 Colossi vs. 8 Vikings? That Marine and Marauder army should be dead before it could even attack for few seconds, but Rain a-clicked like a boss, and all his Colossi were bugging themselves and were auto-attacking bunch of SCVs... He played so godly up to that point, and than that happened...
But oh well, at least I was surprised by Life, he played really well. Teaja didn't stand a chance(but didn't play on his top level imo).
The GSL is a tournament that plays to Mvp's strengths. He is incredibly strong at long series with preparation against a single opponent. He isn't particularly dominant in the early rounds of Code S compared to players like Life and Taeja because of the short-match, multiple-opponent format. Similarly, Mvp was pretty lackluster in teamleagues and 2-3 day foreign tournaments; players like Taeja, capable of taking whatever is thrown at him, excel in such situations. Mvp really shines in the later rounds of Code S, where his vast repertoire, excellent preparation, and perseverance are most important. Life is good, but this is Mvp's format.
Sad Taeja lost He's been performing quite badly recently. I mean, he lost to Byul the other day 0-2. Byul, out of all people. But it's okay. I love Life just as much :D
Still, being a terran I'm still rooting for Mvp in the finals.
This is the finals we deserved for this crazy, crazy season. Mvp vs Life. Reminds me of the hype and situation of season two finals, which the games did not disappoint.
On October 11 2012 01:21 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:The hype was incredible. The stakes were astronomical. And the ending? All too predictable.
On October 10 2012 07:46 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: The conclusion
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Rain 3 - 1 Mvp
I'm just poking fun .
Rain isn't an elephant though. 50% record in standard leagues is pretty impressive, especially for a fairly new player, but it isn't elephant material.
This GSL doesn't disappoint, i was hyped at the beginning, i still am. The games are godly, the players are confident and amazing...
Prediction: MVP plays at home, GSL's finals are exactly the way he likes, lengthy series with a lot of preparation and time to react to a peculiar stylistic way to play. I think Life has yet to experience a final and as confident as he can be, when you're a 15 y/o boy on stage with a gigantic prize pool, you have to feel nervous, he earned the respect of many but has yet to learn to give respect for the one who already has 4 gsls in his pocket. MVP is not one to be mocked. MKP and Parting are still alive to tell the tale.
I was sad when I found out July retired this year but it's OK now because Life is his reincarnation. I wonder if July coached him at all seeing as they are/were both StarTale? July also got to the finals but lost...
what's with all the spoilers on the front page of tl this season? maybe you guys could make the summaries on the front page a little more vauge? perhaps i should just not visit tl while code s is going on, though id rather not.
In these circumstances I wished they'd actually interview the losing side. Or get a statement from the teams. The nagging question: What is wrong with Liquid's ace players of late?
I realize you can't win everything, but if you look at both HerO's and TaeJa's recent tournament results versus less-favored opponents, be it in indivual or team leagues, you have to wonder what's going on.
A big chance to go all the way was squandered today. And look in what fashion as well.
On October 10 2012 07:46 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: The conclusion
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Rain 3 - 1 Mvp
I'm just poking fun .
Rain isn't an elephant though. 50% record in standard leagues is pretty impressive, especially for a fairly new player, but it isn't elephant material.
To be fair the first piece was by Porcelina and this article is written by Waxangel. I think that all starcraft writers should adhere to the maxim I would like to dub Waxangel's wager "Live your prediction life under the assumption that MVP will always win, even if rational thought dismisses it as a possibility."
On October 11 2012 02:00 rkshox wrote: Taeja injured maybe? he wasn't performing well in MCSL and IPTL the days leading up =(
Taeja not injured, just overrated . People talk about MVP worship but I see more Taeja worship then anything else on TL.
How can you call TaeJa overrated, especially vs zerg, after this summer? He's shown some of the best TvZ in troublesome times for terrans. He's just not playing his toplevel (=insta vulnerable vs good zergs) the last couple of weeks, losing to Stephano, Vortix, Dark and Byul. Hopefully just a small dip.
On October 11 2012 01:43 Shinespark wrote: Rain lost, Mvp goes to another final and Taeja didn't win a game. I'm just beside myself with happiness right now.
I know Life is good, and usually Mvp is the underdog, but for once it feels like Mvp is the HEAVY favourite in this finals just due to Life's style of play, it's incredibly aggressive, and unless he switches it up significantly, I think Mvp will just know how to take him down.
Then again what I saw from Life against TaeJa was very convincing, but TaeJa played the same style and composition in each game, and seemed almost phased with each attack, he looked like a mess to be frank.
I'm just saying guys, last time MVP went confidently into an October finals he lost. I want him to win his 5th, but I think he needs to take Life a little more seriously.
On October 11 2012 07:38 Kraidio wrote: I'm just saying guys, last time MVP went confidently into an October finals he lost. I want him to win his 5th, but I think he needs to take Life a little more seriously.
I'm sure he will take him seriously, there's no way he's going to not take him seriously after seeing Life destroy Marineking and Taeja.
GSL October was different because they flew overseas to play the finals and Mvp was also playing in the blizzcon tournament at the same time.
Uh... why does everyone keep saying MVP is going for is 5th title? Am I missing something? TLPD and Liquipedia only show that he's won Code S three times, not 4. Counting the 2011 World Championship as a GSL win seems misleading. It was an "event where a team of all-stars from South Korea take on top players from Europe." I know it was based on GSL points, but it was a special event.
Edit: it's like if Flash counted his GoMtv Star Invitational win in 2008 as a legitimate league title. None of his fans do.
On October 11 2012 06:04 FlyingTurtle wrote: The GSL is a tournament that plays to Mvp's strengths. He is incredibly strong at long series with preparation against a single opponent. He isn't particularly dominant in the early rounds of Code S compared to players like Life and Taeja because of the short-match, multiple-opponent format. Similarly, Mvp was pretty lackluster in teamleagues and 2-3 day foreign tournaments; players like Taeja, capable of taking whatever is thrown at him, excel in such situations. Mvp really shines in the later rounds of Code S, where his vast repertoire, excellent preparation, and perseverance are most important. Life is good, but this is Mvp's format.
Mvp 4-1 Life
Mvp is lackluster in tournaments with no preparation? He has won MLG, IEM, WCG and Blizzcon. Hell, he even fought his way through the open bracket at MLG Providence to finish 4th despite the disadvantage of not being seeded into the tournament. All of these tournaments were 2-3 day tournaments.
You're right, he's totally better when he can prepare, but he is still very good when he can't. The fact that Mvp is somehow bad in tournaments with no preparation is a MYTH. Yeah he didn't do well in a few tournaments he went to in early 2012, but who does well in every tournament he goes to? Can't think of any.
On October 11 2012 08:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Uh... why does everyone keep saying MVP is going for is 5th title? Am I missing something? TLPD and Liquipedia only show that he's won Code S three times, not 4. Counting the 2011 World Championship as a GSL win seems misleading. It was an "event where a team of all-stars from South Korea take on top players from Europe." I know it was based on GSL points, but it was a special event.
They count Fruitdealer, Nestea and MC's Open Season wins, Polt's Super Tournament win, and MMA's Blizzard Cup win as well... why exclude Mvp's World Championship?
i think life's only chance is to take some drugs and play like its practice and just actually not give a fuck, kind of like his interview is trying to say...
if he focuses too much on specific maps and preparation MVP will just do the same but better, and win 4-2
On October 11 2012 08:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Uh... why does everyone keep saying MVP is going for is 5th title? Am I missing something? TLPD and Liquipedia only show that he's won Code S three times, not 4. Counting the 2011 World Championship as a GSL win seems misleading. It was an "event where a team of all-stars from South Korea take on top players from Europe." I know it was based on GSL points, but it was a special event.
Edit: it's like if Flash counted his GoMtv Star Invitational win in 2008 as a legitimate league title. None of his fans do.
It was a special event, but GOM and everyone else agrees that it counts. So yeah, It counts.
I'm pretty satisfied with this result, since I was of the opinion that Taeja and Rain, while great, are currently the two most overhyped players. Didn't people learn their lesson when they were calling MKP the best player in the world, only for him to never replicate his success in random foreign tournaments in the GSL booth? I think this is shaping up to be a repeat of season 2, where everyone in the semis except MVP is constantly being hyped and talked about as the next big thing, until MVP wins anyway.
On October 11 2012 08:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Uh... why does everyone keep saying MVP is going for is 5th title? Am I missing something? TLPD and Liquipedia only show that he's won Code S three times, not 4. Counting the 2011 World Championship as a GSL win seems misleading. It was an "event where a team of all-stars from South Korea take on top players from Europe." I know it was based on GSL points, but it was a special event.
Edit: it's like if Flash counted his GoMtv Star Invitational win in 2008 as a legitimate league title. None of his fans do.
It was a special event, but GOM and everyone else agrees that it counts. So yeah, It counts.
I dont know, if mountaindewjunkie says its not, maybe we should reconsider?
So many people saying 4-0 MVP... wasn't the same thing said for Life last series ? I know Life isn't MVP but damn this kid has a killer instinct, I still am rooting for Life and I truly believe he can win, but I expect a fantastic series to cap off a mind-blowing season of GSL. 4-3 Life.
On October 11 2012 09:01 TheLetterQ wrote: I'm pretty satisfied with this result, since I was of the opinion that Taeja and Rain, while great, are currently the two most overhyped players. Didn't people learn their lesson when they were calling MKP the best player in the world, only for him to never replicate his success in random foreign tournaments in the GSL booth? I think this is shaping up to be a repeat of season 2, where everyone in the semis except MVP is constantly being hyped and talked about as the next big thing, until MVP wins anyway.
MVP 4-0
Tell me if I am wrong but Life didn't get almost any hype until Ro8 because of BM. It might seem like Life has a hype train now, but most GSL finalists do, this kid is THE dangerous element of the tournament and I couldn't think of a better way for this to have turned out. A better Story line then any other final possible from Ro4 imo.
Tell me if I am wrong but Life didn't get almost any hype until Ro8 because of BM. It might seem like Life has a hype train now, but most GSL finalists do, this kid is THE dangerous element of the tournament and I couldn't think of a better way for this to have turned out. A better Story line then any other final possible from Ro4 imo.
Life was never overhyped to the degree that someone like Taeja was, but its been steadily growing. He was discussed as a serious royal road contender early on. Now people are saying he is possibly the best zerg in the world. I don't think its impossible, but its definitely premature, considering that it is based almost entirely off of a finals placement in one tournament. He is certainly a dangerous person to play, but I don't think his famed unpredictability is really going to phase someone like MVP, who has been winning games ever since one-basing was standard.
On October 11 2012 09:01 TheLetterQ wrote: I'm pretty satisfied with this result, since I was of the opinion that Taeja and Rain, while great, are currently the two most overhyped players. Didn't people learn their lesson when they were calling MKP the best player in the world, only for him to never replicate his success in random foreign tournaments in the GSL booth? I think this is shaping up to be a repeat of season 2, where everyone in the semis except MVP is constantly being hyped and talked about as the next big thing, until MVP wins anyway.
MVP 4-0
How can you say Rain is overhyped? Rain is in the OSL finals currently and MvP had serious trouble beating him. Comparing him with MarineKing is just silly. MarineKing does either a really aggressive timing attack or a really greedy macro build, and got much of his success from that, combined with his micro. Rain's play style is almost the opposite. A lot of standard play. He doesn't cut corners often and uses mostly light pressure rather than straight up brute forcing his way to victory.
Totaly 4-3, and i have to lean more toward MVP. Life is really good, but MVP is also really good, and he has more experience. If life wins, then he is now the best zerg in korea. (right now) mvp IS already sc2 bonjwa
Tell me if I am wrong but Life didn't get almost any hype until Ro8 because of BM. It might seem like Life has a hype train now, but most GSL finalists do, this kid is THE dangerous element of the tournament and I couldn't think of a better way for this to have turned out. A better Story line then any other final possible from Ro4 imo.
Life was never overhyped to the degree that someone like Taeja was, but its been steadily growing. He was discussed as a serious royal road contender early on. Now people are saying he is possibly the best zerg in the world. I don't think its impossible, but its definitely premature, considering that it is based almost entirely off of a finals placement in one tournament. He is certainly a dangerous person to play, but I don't think his famed unpredictability is really going to phase someone like MVP, who has been winning games ever since one-basing was standard.
Of course it's premature. Life has only been in this form for 2 months and is currently back in school. It would be a miracle of willpower and training if he manages to maintain this level of play until New Year's alone. But predicting a 4-0 is just plain stupid and insulting. He just made the second-best terran look like he didn't belong in Code S and Life was not favored in that series.
On October 11 2012 09:23 Goshdarnit wrote:
Tell me if I am wrong but Life didn't get almost any hype until Ro8 because of BM. It might seem like Life has a hype train now, but most GSL finalists do, this kid is THE dangerous element of the tournament and I couldn't think of a better way for this to have turned out. A better Story line then any other final possible from Ro4 imo.
In the Round of 16 he was "lucky" that he managed to get one of the weaker groups. In the Round of 16 he was "lucky" that he won a base trade with Seed in the deciding game. He was supposed to lose to MarineKing because he was inexperienced, he was supposed to lose to Taeja because Taeja was better than him. And now people are using the same silly rationalizations for the finals. When has Life shown that he cares about reputation, experience, fortune? There were a million people who were "better" than him in the past, and there will be more like that in the future. He is like Mvp in that sense: he just decides that he can win any series and does it regardless of what we forum people say.
Tell me if I am wrong but Life didn't get almost any hype until Ro8 because of BM. It might seem like Life has a hype train now, but most GSL finalists do, this kid is THE dangerous element of the tournament and I couldn't think of a better way for this to have turned out. A better Story line then any other final possible from Ro4 imo.
Life was never overhyped to the degree that someone like Taeja was, but its been steadily growing. He was discussed as a serious royal road contender early on. Now people are saying he is possibly the best zerg in the world. I don't think its impossible, but its definitely premature, considering that it is based almost entirely off of a finals placement in one tournament. He is certainly a dangerous person to play, but I don't think his famed unpredictability is really going to phase someone like MVP, who has been winning games ever since one-basing was standard.
Of course it's premature. Life has only been in this form for 2 months and is currently back in school. It would be a miracle of willpower and training if he manages to maintain this level of play until New Year's alone.
Tell me if I am wrong but Life didn't get almost any hype until Ro8 because of BM. It might seem like Life has a hype train now, but most GSL finalists do, this kid is THE dangerous element of the tournament and I couldn't think of a better way for this to have turned out. A better Story line then any other final possible from Ro4 imo.
Life was never overhyped to the degree that someone like Taeja was, but its been steadily growing. He was discussed as a serious royal road contender early on. Now people are saying he is possibly the best zerg in the world. I don't think its impossible, but its definitely premature, considering that it is based almost entirely off of a finals placement in one tournament. He is certainly a dangerous person to play, but I don't think his famed unpredictability is really going to phase someone like MVP, who has been winning games ever since one-basing was standard.
Of course it's premature. Life has only been in this form for 2 months and is currently back in school. It would be a miracle of willpower and training if he manages to maintain this level of play until New Year's alone.
So although it might a tad early to say he is THE best zerg is the world. He is definitely up there.
I'm his biggest fan and that is going too far. If he wins MLG Fall and IPL5 then he would have a strong case for it, and only a "he's the best zerg at the moment" argument. I do believe that he can be the best zerg in the world for a long time but he has distractions right now. Beating Mvp would be a huge step in the right direction.
On October 11 2012 08:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Uh... why does everyone keep saying MVP is going for is 5th title? Am I missing something? TLPD and Liquipedia only show that he's won Code S three times, not 4. Counting the 2011 World Championship as a GSL win seems misleading. It was an "event where a team of all-stars from South Korea take on top players from Europe." I know it was based on GSL points, but it was a special event.
Edit: it's like if Flash counted his GoMtv Star Invitational win in 2008 as a legitimate league title. None of his fans do.
It was a special event, but GOM and everyone else agrees that it counts. So yeah, It counts.
On October 11 2012 08:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Uh... why does everyone keep saying MVP is going for is 5th title? Am I missing something? TLPD and Liquipedia only show that he's won Code S three times, not 4. Counting the 2011 World Championship as a GSL win seems misleading. It was an "event where a team of all-stars from South Korea take on top players from Europe." I know it was based on GSL points, but it was a special event.
Edit: it's like if Flash counted his GoMtv Star Invitational win in 2008 as a legitimate league title. None of his fans do.
It was a special event, but GOM and everyone else agrees that it counts. So yeah, It counts.
I dont know, if mountaindewjunkie says its not, maybe we should reconsider?
On October 11 2012 08:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Uh... why does everyone keep saying MVP is going for is 5th title? Am I missing something? TLPD and Liquipedia only show that he's won Code S three times, not 4. Counting the 2011 World Championship as a GSL win seems misleading. It was an "event where a team of all-stars from South Korea take on top players from Europe." I know it was based on GSL points, but it was a special event.
Edit: it's like if Flash counted his GoMtv Star Invitational win in 2008 as a legitimate league title. None of his fans do.
It was a special event, but GOM and everyone else agrees that it counts. So yeah, It counts.
On October 11 2012 08:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Uh... why does everyone keep saying MVP is going for is 5th title? Am I missing something? TLPD and Liquipedia only show that he's won Code S three times, not 4. Counting the 2011 World Championship as a GSL win seems misleading. It was an "event where a team of all-stars from South Korea take on top players from Europe." I know it was based on GSL points, but it was a special event.
Edit: it's like if Flash counted his GoMtv Star Invitational win in 2008 as a legitimate league title. None of his fans do.
It was a special event, but GOM and everyone else agrees that it counts. So yeah, It counts.
I dont know, if mountaindewjunkie says its not, maybe we should reconsider?
I just don't think Life's style matches up well against Mvp. He's pretty much July reincarnate, and Mvp has shown for ages that he can absolutely dismantle rampant aggression with ease.
what's with all the anti-life predictions saying 4-0 lol
Mvp 4-2 Life if all goes well for MVP, if MVP is somehow human then 4-2 Life. It's impossible to predict. If MVP keeps his air of immortality when he palys Life, then he has it. If Life is good enough that even MVP can't figure him out, then Life will crush.
MVP isn't simply immortal by any means, and I think games against Rain further point out his strong point = his ability to recognize greed and exploit a timing with a SCV pull. The fifth game ended because he KNEW Rain couldn't have an established army to hold off his own after losing so many DTs and after seeing the colossus tech. Colossus is good but not good enough without a set of meat shields. Had Rain been able to do more damage/retain 4 DTs for Archons, I highly doubt MVP would have pulled SCVs for the cut-throat blow. In saying that, MVP has my utmost respect for being able to analyze the game so well.
If Life doesn't NEEDLESSLY trade, I predict 4-2 MVP.
Not as convinced by Life as some others seem to be. He's really damn good, and the series was very one sided, but Taeja did some really stupid shit that cost him big. Put it this way, I wasn't blown away by Life's play, not even close in fact.
Game 1 was pretty much dead even. Even when Taeja was caught out, he still managed to keep the game at a relatively level playing field, until he lost large group of SCV's unnecessarily.
Game 2... well... we all know what happened.
Game 3, This was the only game where I thought Life really outplayed Taeja. But to be honest, Taeja appeared to be pretty tilted by the first two games, he didn't play particularly well in game 3.
Still, congrats to life. Honestly, I think he'll be doing well to take a game off of MVP, so I'm going to say MVP 4-1 in the finals.
On October 11 2012 13:18 ShAdZ_ZX wrote: Not as convinced by Life as some others seem to be. He's really damn good, and the series was very one sided, but Taeja did some really stupid shit that cost him big. Put it this way, I wasn't blown away by Life's play, not even close in fact.
Game 1 was pretty much dead even. Even when Taeja was caught out, he still managed to keep the game at a relatively level playing field, until he lost large group of SCV's unnecessarily.
Game 2... well... we all know what happened.
Game 3, This was the only game where I thought Life really outplayed Taeja. But to be honest, Taeja appeared to be pretty tilted by the first two games, he didn't play particularly well in game 3.
Still, congrats to life. Honestly, I think he'll be doing well to take a game off of MVP, so I'm going to say MVP 4-1 in the finals.
Game 1: Not unnecessary. Tastosis were too distracted by the massacre in the main to understand why Taeja pulled his SCVs, and assumed it was a misclick. Life actually set up an ambush with his lings and banelings along the reinforcement line and caught the SCVs being sent back.
Game 2: Not that big of a deal. Hotkey mistake that cost some mining time.
That is so much heartbreak for taeja. However for this finals, life cannot be subpar in any aspect in the game to defeat mvp because mindgames are mvp's specialty.
Impossible to vote against Mvp, but I think Life might have a shot.
Wasn't overly impressed with the Mvp-Rain games, but Mvp always finds a way to win. Sad for Taeja but I've been a big fan of Life for a while now. Can't wait for the finals, obvs. Think it'll be closer than a lot of people think.
With overconvidence comes a great smack in the face, a lesson you should learn Life, from the likes of Parting and Squirtle. I like his zerg play though i think MVP will just smack it down.
On October 11 2012 10:16 epicdemic wrote: How can you say Rain is overhyped? Rain is in the OSL finals currently and MvP had serious trouble beating him. Comparing him with MarineKing is just silly. MarineKing does either a really aggressive timing attack or a really greedy macro build, and got much of his success from that, combined with his micro. Rain's play style is almost the opposite. A lot of standard play. He doesn't cut corners often and uses mostly light pressure rather than straight up brute forcing his way to victory.
He is overhyped because he is presented in every TL writeup and in many random forum posts as some godlike player who is the herald of our future elephant overlords. Now, don't confuse overhyped with bad, because I actually think he is quite good, but when it came down to it he was expected by the majority of people to win last night I think. In the end, despite how close it was, he lost to MVP, a guy who can't be brought up it seems without mentioning that he is a shadow of his former self.
The MKP comparison is more applicable to Taeja, but it works for both of them. If you remember the first half of this year, everyone was ready to crown MKP the best player in the world, on the basis of a bunch of random foreign tournament wins. When it came time for him to deliver in the GSL however, he was never able to come close to matching his foreign success. I wasn't trying to say that either Rain or Taeja were similar in playstyle to MKP, only that they are both being called contenders to be the best player in the world (or at least their race) without winning a GSL, much like MKP.
On October 11 2012 11:15 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Of course it's premature. Life has only been in this form for 2 months and is currently back in school. It would be a miracle of willpower and training if he manages to maintain this level of play until New Year's alone. But predicting a 4-0 is just plain stupid and insulting. He just made the second-best terran look like he didn't belong in Code S and Life was not favored in that series.
It is a mismatch of styles. Life isn't bad by any means, but MVP specifically is the type of player that I don't think his playstyle will do too well against. They both rely on mindgames more than anything to win, but MVP is better at it with a lot more experience. There was another finals with two players with kind of similar strengths facing off, Nestea vs Losira. In the end, the player that most would agree was better, Nestea, absolutely crushed. In addition, Life is known to favor aggressive strategies, and MVP doesn't tend to lose to those kind of players, at least in the GSL when he has time to prepare. Finally, though I am fairly sure it is just interview trash talk and nothing too serious, it would be stupid and insulting for Life to actually think he will achieve anything like a 4-1. He could definitely win, but if he does it will be close.
On October 11 2012 10:16 epicdemic wrote: How can you say Rain is overhyped? Rain is in the OSL finals currently and MvP had serious trouble beating him. Comparing him with MarineKing is just silly. MarineKing does either a really aggressive timing attack or a really greedy macro build, and got much of his success from that, combined with his micro. Rain's play style is almost the opposite. A lot of standard play. He doesn't cut corners often and uses mostly light pressure rather than straight up brute forcing his way to victory.
He is overhyped because he is presented in every TL writeup and in many random forum posts as some godlike player who is the herald of our future elephant overlords. Now, don't confuse overhyped with bad, because I actually think he is quite good, but when it came down to it he was expected by the majority of people to win last night I think. In the end, despite how close it was, he lost to MVP, a guy who can't be brought up it seems without mentioning that he is a shadow of his former self.
The MKP comparison is more applicable to Taeja, but it works for both of them. If you remember the first half of this year, everyone was ready to crown MKP the best player in the world, on the basis of a bunch of random foreign tournament wins. When it came time for him to deliver in the GSL however, he was never able to come close to matching his foreign success. I wasn't trying to say that either Rain or Taeja were similar in playstyle to MKP, only that they are both being called contenders to be the best player in the world (or at least their race) without winning a GSL, much like MKP.
Of course it's premature. Life has only been in this form for 2 months and is currently back in school. It would be a miracle of willpower and training if he manages to maintain this level of play until New Year's alone. But predicting a 4-0 is just plain stupid and insulting. He just made the second-best terran look like he didn't belong in Code S and Life was not favored in that series.
It is a mismatch of styles. Life isn't bad by any means, but MVP specifically is the type of player that I don't think his playstyle will do too well against. They both rely on mindgames more than anything to win, but MVP is better at it with a lot more experience. There was another finals with two players with kind of similar strengths facing off, Nestea vs Losira. In the end, the player that most would agree was better, Nestea, absolutely crushed. In addition, Life is known to favor aggressive strategies, and MVP doesn't tend to lose to those kind of players, at least in the GSL when he has time to prepare. Finally, though I am fairly sure it is just interview trash talk and nothing too serious, it would be stupid and insulting for Life to actually think he will achieve anything like a 4-1. He could definitely win, but if he does it will be close.
While I have no intention of personal attack, you seem to think that you know starcraft very well and are able to judge which players are good. Because Rain lost doesn't mean he didn't play great games. I don't think you understand the amount of mind game going on in that semi final. The lack of army confrontation shows how good the series was. Unlike your silver league matches, where kids keep trading each other inefficiently and the games look epic, the level of skills shown by mvp and rain are their decisions to hold back at the right moments. Mvp does have an injury, and if you think you can get to Code S with that kind of injury, I won't complain. Just because you wrote this long ass rant doesn't justify your starcraft knowledge. Learn some before talking shit, kid.
On October 11 2012 10:16 epicdemic wrote: How can you say Rain is overhyped? Rain is in the OSL finals currently and MvP had serious trouble beating him. Comparing him with MarineKing is just silly. MarineKing does either a really aggressive timing attack or a really greedy macro build, and got much of his success from that, combined with his micro. Rain's play style is almost the opposite. A lot of standard play. He doesn't cut corners often and uses mostly light pressure rather than straight up brute forcing his way to victory.
He is overhyped because he is presented in every TL writeup and in many random forum posts as some godlike player who is the herald of our future elephant overlords. Now, don't confuse overhyped with bad, because I actually think he is quite good, but when it came down to it he was expected by the majority of people to win last night I think. In the end, despite how close it was, he lost to MVP, a guy who can't be brought up it seems without mentioning that he is a shadow of his former self.
The MKP comparison is more applicable to Taeja, but it works for both of them. If you remember the first half of this year, everyone was ready to crown MKP the best player in the world, on the basis of a bunch of random foreign tournament wins. When it came time for him to deliver in the GSL however, he was never able to come close to matching his foreign success. I wasn't trying to say that either Rain or Taeja were similar in playstyle to MKP, only that they are both being called contenders to be the best player in the world (or at least their race) without winning a GSL, much like MKP.
Of course it's premature. Life has only been in this form for 2 months and is currently back in school. It would be a miracle of willpower and training if he manages to maintain this level of play until New Year's alone. But predicting a 4-0 is just plain stupid and insulting. He just made the second-best terran look like he didn't belong in Code S and Life was not favored in that series.
It is a mismatch of styles. Life isn't bad by any means, but MVP specifically is the type of player that I don't think his playstyle will do too well against. They both rely on mindgames more than anything to win, but MVP is better at it with a lot more experience. There was another finals with two players with kind of similar strengths facing off, Nestea vs Losira. In the end, the player that most would agree was better, Nestea, absolutely crushed. In addition, Life is known to favor aggressive strategies, and MVP doesn't tend to lose to those kind of players, at least in the GSL when he has time to prepare. Finally, though I am fairly sure it is just interview trash talk and nothing too serious, it would be stupid and insulting for Life to actually think he will achieve anything like a 4-1. He could definitely win, but if he does it will be close.
The style of MVP is to prepair certain builds for certain opponents. He doesnt have a style persay. He knows how to prepare a series. When Artosis says he has 1000 builds he's quite close to the truth there. He will study Life, learn his style, and prepare some of those builds and crush Life. And Nestea was practicaly unbeatable ZvZ when he played Loisira so i dont get your point.
This recap looks biased on Mvp's side as hell. Even Mvp's losses look like victories. Also, did Rain give the victory to Mvp on Abyssal by sending 2 templars for storm drop ? I don't think so. It did matter a lot in the end, but it's not like Rain gave the game or this move was an obvious blunder. Maybe the EMPs would have also hit these 2 HTs if they were with the rest of the army anyway.
On October 11 2012 15:06 lailaiwd wrote: While I have no intention of personal attack, you seem to think that you know starcraft very well and are able to judge which players are good. Because Rain lost doesn't mean he didn't play great games. I don't think you understand the amount of mind game going on in that semi final. The lack of army confrontation shows how good the series was. Unlike your silver league matches, where kids keep trading each other inefficiently and the games look epic, the level of skills shown by mvp and rain are their decisions to hold back at the right moments. Mvp does have an injury, and if you think you can get to Code S with that kind of injury, I won't complain. Just because you wrote this long ass rant doesn't justify your starcraft knowledge. Learn some before talking shit, kid.
I don't think he's bad at all, I think he's a really good player, he got to the semifinals of the GSL, and at least the finals of the OSL, so that should be obvious. I just think he's a relatively new player on the scene, so people should maybe chill out a little bit when saying that he is the best thing since sliced bread. People throw around phrases like "best player in the world," or "best player of x race," or "one of the best in the world" all the time, and I think they get a little premature about it. I think that until a player has shown consistently good results over at least a few months we should just be conservative and say that they are just a real good player, instead of calling them "the best," or "unbeatable."
On October 11 2012 15:13 TheRidd wrote:
The style of MVP is to prepair certain builds for certain opponents. He doesnt have a style persay. He knows how to prepare a series. When Artosis says he has 1000 builds he's quite close to the truth there. He will study Life, learn his style, and prepare some of those builds and crush Life. And Nestea was practicaly unbeatable ZvZ when he played Loisira so i dont get your point.
That's kind of my point. I think Life has a similar style (though maybe a bit more on-the-fly), but MVP is probably better at it. What I was trying to get at with Losira v. Nestea was that at the time Losira and Nestea were both "good" at ZvZ, with similar styles, Nestea was just better, much like MVP is just better at preparation and mindgames. Upon hindsight though, it may have been a bad example.
On October 11 2012 10:16 epicdemic wrote: How can you say Rain is overhyped? Rain is in the OSL finals currently and MvP had serious trouble beating him. Comparing him with MarineKing is just silly. MarineKing does either a really aggressive timing attack or a really greedy macro build, and got much of his success from that, combined with his micro. Rain's play style is almost the opposite. A lot of standard play. He doesn't cut corners often and uses mostly light pressure rather than straight up brute forcing his way to victory.
He is overhyped because he is presented in every TL writeup and in many random forum posts as some godlike player who is the herald of our future elephant overlords. Now, don't confuse overhyped with bad, because I actually think he is quite good, but when it came down to it he was expected by the majority of people to win last night I think. In the end, despite how close it was, he lost to MVP, a guy who can't be brought up it seems without mentioning that he is a shadow of his former self.
The MKP comparison is more applicable to Taeja, but it works for both of them. If you remember the first half of this year, everyone was ready to crown MKP the best player in the world, on the basis of a bunch of random foreign tournament wins. When it came time for him to deliver in the GSL however, he was never able to come close to matching his foreign success. I wasn't trying to say that either Rain or Taeja were similar in playstyle to MKP, only that they are both being called contenders to be the best player in the world (or at least their race) without winning a GSL, much like MKP.
Of course it's premature. Life has only been in this form for 2 months and is currently back in school. It would be a miracle of willpower and training if he manages to maintain this level of play until New Year's alone. But predicting a 4-0 is just plain stupid and insulting. He just made the second-best terran look like he didn't belong in Code S and Life was not favored in that series.
It is a mismatch of styles. Life isn't bad by any means, but MVP specifically is the type of player that I don't think his playstyle will do too well against. They both rely on mindgames more than anything to win, but MVP is better at it with a lot more experience. There was another finals with two players with kind of similar strengths facing off, Nestea vs Losira. In the end, the player that most would agree was better, Nestea, absolutely crushed. In addition, Life is known to favor aggressive strategies, and MVP doesn't tend to lose to those kind of players, at least in the GSL when he has time to prepare. Finally, though I am fairly sure it is just interview trash talk and nothing too serious, it would be stupid and insulting for Life to actually think he will achieve anything like a 4-1. He could definitely win, but if he does it will be close.
Lol. There was a lot of hype around Rain. It wasn't overhype. He has a very solid macro play that is consistent across ALL match ups. Top players of each race have fell to him, and even MVP himself almost did.
I wanted to see MKP vs MVP part 2 but since MKP is making weird builds orders and losing vs scrubs I want MVP to owned Life for talking smack to the best player in SC2 history.
On October 11 2012 15:43 dAijow wrote: Wow, lots of people counting out Life who just demolished Taeja, the best terran player today(Yes, he's better than MVP.)
With he reminder that the GSL tournament format definitely suits no one better than Mvp... This is what Life should be scared of the most since Mvp just excels in preparation for certain match ups.
Do it Mvp! Demolish that kid (which is pretty good nevertheless)
With he reminder that the GSL tournament format definitely suits no one better than Mvp... This is what Life should be scared of the most since Mvp just excels in preparation for certain match ups.
Do it Mvp! Demolish that kid (which is pretty good nevertheless)
Life is not scared.
He crushed Taeja, and Taeja, on a decent day is better than MVP.
MVP have great preparation skills, but if you watched the interview; Life acknowledged this. What's important to point out is that Life is very, very, unpredictable. He is basicaly a bad matchup against MVP, who studies his opponents to find a weakness.
[quote]He crushed Taeja, and Taeja, on a decent day is better than MVP. [/quote
Sure, that's why MvP is in the final, and had already win 4 title, and Taeja isn't.
TaeJa had a really great summer, but this is not summer anymore, he will go back to be a good player, as before, but not winning everything.
Life is unpredictable ? well, it's an agressive zerg player, that only can help MvP planning something. But it's true that it's an harder opponent than Taeja for MVP.
all my prediction came true, now i only need MvP to loose.... and i'm not overconfident about that !
I still think that Life can win, but it will be a 4/3 series.
Life will 4-0 MVP in the most uninspiring GSL finals ever, he'll four-pool MVP three times for a 3-0 victory then MVP will pull his first six SCVs in the 4th game to suicide against Life.
On October 11 2012 15:43 dAijow wrote: Wow, lots of people counting out Life who just demolished Taeja, the best terran player today(Yes, he's better than MVP.)
Rain demolished TaeJa and Mvp beat Rain... HURR DURR MVP IS BETTUR THAN TAEJA.
Give me a break.
It's a awesome that in the most stacked GSL ever Mvp is still in the finals, this guy cannot be stopped.
On October 11 2012 15:43 dAijow wrote: Wow, lots of people counting out Life who just demolished Taeja, the best terran player today(Yes, he's better than MVP.)
Rain demolished TaeJa and Mvp beat Rain... HURR DURR MVP IS BETTUR THAN TAEJA.
Give me a break.
It's a awesome that in the most stacked GSL ever Mvp is still in the finals, this guy cannot be stopped.
hes even injured and still doing amazing in the GSL... i mean wtf... hes like 50% handicaped and still beating one pro after another
With he reminder that the GSL tournament format definitely suits no one better than Mvp... This is what Life should be scared of the most since Mvp just excels in preparation for certain match ups.
Do it Mvp! Demolish that kid (which is pretty good nevertheless)
Life is not scared.
He crushed Taeja, and Taeja, on a decent day is better than MVP.
MVP have great preparation skills, but if you watched the interview; Life acknowledged this. What's important to point out is that Life is very, very, unpredictable. He is basicaly a bad matchup against MVP, who studies his opponents to find a weakness.
I'm interested to see how well Life handles the pressure of the finals stage. I mean he's really confident in his interviews, but that stage, in that booth, in the finals of the biggest SC2 tournament out there? It's a whole different thing. Can't wait for these finals, so hyped!
On October 11 2012 15:43 dAijow wrote: Wow, lots of people counting out Life who just demolished Taeja, the best terran player today(Yes, he's better than MVP.)
Rain demolished TaeJa and Mvp beat Rain... HURR DURR MVP IS BETTUR THAN TAEJA.
Give me a break.
It's a awesome that in the most stacked GSL ever Mvp is still in the finals, this guy cannot be stopped.
hes even injured and still doing amazing in the GSL... i mean wtf... hes like 50% handicaped and still beating one pro after another
From the fact that his micro doesn't seem to slow down even in long games and because he doesn't seem to suffer, I see nothing that proves he's been handicapped somehow. Maybe he was worried about getting handicapped by his wrists, which is understandable, but I don't think he's actually.
On October 11 2012 13:33 creamyturtle wrote: I haven't seen Life play a true macro game, so it remains to be seen if his cheeky attacks will work on MVP
You mean you haven't seen life play super turtle until Infestor Brood like 90% of other GSL zergs?
Games 2 and 3 against Taeja were macro games, game 3 specifically went to Infestor Broodlord.
It's just his mid game aggression is so insane that the games rarely make it that far. He has been shutting down terrans before he ever NEEDS Hive tech.
Life has the full package, it's the other zergs that are missing everything he doesn't have.
On October 11 2012 19:08 Newbistic wrote: People calling MVP to win are just jinxing him.
Life will 4-0 MVP in the most uninspiring GSL finals ever, he'll four-pool MVP three times for a 3-0 victory then MVP will pull his first six SCVs in the 4th game to suicide against Life.
Four pool, like he will first kill two of his drones and then build the pool
On October 11 2012 22:16 Ameisenmann wrote: There's no other way: MVP 4-0 Life. Such a blunt statement against MVP can only result in tears of defeat.
everyone expected MKP to beat life, guess what, 3-1. same was said against taeja, guess what, life pulled a 3-0, when everyone expects MVP to win easily, Life is probably gonna pull the upset yet again
What saddens me is that no matter how close the grand final becomes, then if Mvp wins, 70% of terrans will quit whining about tvz, however if Life wins, then we get another 6 months with ZERG OP ZERG OP. That WILL happen, even if life only won with 1 drone or somthing like that.
On October 11 2012 23:04 cloneThorN wrote: What saddens me is that no matter how close the grand final becomes, then if Mvp wins, 70% of terrans will quit whining about tvz, however if Life wins, then we get another 6 months with ZERG OP ZERG OP. That WILL happen, even if life only won with 1 drone or somthing like that.
If MVP wins,everybody will just be saying that MVP is best player of all-time.
If Life wins,everybody will just be saying zerg is OP.
Personally, i think Life should win as SC2 WOL should have at least one Royal Roader win. Such a chance is rarely to come by.
Doesn't matter if MVP loses here or not To me, MVP has already solidified himself as the best Terran and essentially best player of all-time in WOL.
2 Finals in a year? Winning one of them and potential another one?
Coupled with his first GSL win back in January 2011,MVP has been really consistent with some short slump. (MLG,WCG,IEM) are just some of his titles.
On October 11 2012 14:28 TheLetterQ wrote: He is overhyped because he is presented in every TL writeup and in many random forum posts as some godlike player who is the herald of our future elephant overlords. Now, don't confuse overhyped with bad, because I actually think he is quite good, but when it came down to it he was expected by the majority of people to win last night I think. In the end, despite how close it was, he lost to MVP, a guy who can't be brought up it seems without mentioning that he is a shadow of his former self.
The MKP comparison is more applicable to Taeja, but it works for both of them. If you remember the first half of this year, everyone was ready to crown MKP the best player in the world, on the basis of a bunch of random foreign tournament wins. When it came time for him to deliver in the GSL however, he was never able to come close to matching his foreign success. I wasn't trying to say that either Rain or Taeja were similar in playstyle to MKP, only that they are both being called contenders to be the best player in the world (or at least their race) without winning a GSL, much like MKP.
Well...Rain kinda fulfilled that hype. He made it to the Ro4 while annihilating almost everyone in his path, used a vastly different playstyle that hadn't been seen in over a year, and almost beat the most successful SC2 player of all time. Even if his fans vastly overrated how well he should've done against Mvp, more sensible people were calling the matchup even. It definitely played out like an even matchup.
MKP was beating his Korean peers convincingly in those foreign tournaments. Taeja was doing the same. Winning the GSL does not make you the best player in the world; that is a terrible misconception.
[B]On October 11 2012 11:15 CosmicSpiral wrote: Of course it's premature. Life has only been in this form for 2 months and is currently back in school. It would be a miracle of willpower and training if he manages to maintain this level of play until New Year's alone. But predicting a 4-0 is just plain stupid and insulting. He just made the second-best terran look like he didn't belong in Code S and Life was not favored in that series.
It is a mismatch of styles. Life isn't bad by any means, but MVP specifically is the type of player that I don't think his playstyle will do too well against. They both rely on mindgames more than anything to win, but MVP is better at it with a lot more experience. There was another finals with two players with kind of similar strengths facing off, Nestea vs Losira. In the end, the player that most would agree was better, Nestea, absolutely crushed. In addition, Life is known to favor aggressive strategies, and MVP doesn't tend to lose to those kind of players, at least in the GSL when he has time to prepare. Finally, though I am fairly sure it is just interview trash talk and nothing too serious, it would be stupid and insulting for Life to actually think he will achieve anything like a 4-1. He could definitely win, but if he does it will be close.
There was a mismatch of "styles" in the Round of 4. Taeja was supposed to come out of that with the win. MarineKing was more experienced and he was supposed to win. It's ironic that a lot of people are using generalizations to claim that Life is not favored in this match, when he is defying expectations the same way Mvp has been doing over the last six months. Mvp was "supposed" to be hobbled due to his injury, he was "supposed" to be mechanically inferior to the younger terrans. And yet he won IEM Cologne and GSL Season 2 despite facing "better" opponents.
Nestea was the best ZvZ player in the world at that point in time. Losira never depended on mindgames. In fact he was absolutely terrible at mindgames for the vast majority of his career, and relied upon his mechanics to win in the mid-lategame; Losira used to be infamous for losing his hatchery against 2 rax since he could never see it coming. In addition he was playing against his "mentor" which was a very large disadvantage.
Life only favors aggressive strategies when he can spot timing windows in his opponent's builds. Did everyone just magically forget his series against IMHappy? The one with no baneling busts and fast hive in every game? He's not stubborn and limited like MarineKing, who is stylistically limited since he only has two builds in TvZ and the followups are exactly the same.
It's just trash talking. Life is a very confident player but he's also a pretty nice guy.
The sad part is, I think a Taeja vs MVP finals would have been better. I've seen a few of their TvT's together, and they are amazing. Really sad that Taeja doesn't get his finals.
[QUOTE]On October 11 2012 17:23 zedrOne wrote: [quote]He crushed Taeja, and Taeja, on a decent day is better than MVP. [/quote
Sure, that's why MvP is in the final, and had already win 4 title, and Taeja isn't.
TaeJa had a really great summer, but this is not summer anymore, he will go back to be a good player, as before, but not winning everything.
Life is unpredictable ? well, it's an agressive zerg player, that only can help MvP planning something. But it's true that it's an harder opponent than Taeja for MVP.
all my prediction came true, now i only need MvP to loose.... and i'm not overconfident about that !
I still think that Life can win, but it will be a 4/3 series. [/QUOTE]
Life is really predictable. He goes ling baneling every game. It owned MKP and Taeja because they go bio. MVP is mech master and will shit on it.
On October 11 2012 13:04 DeCoder wrote: It's time for the old champ to retire and give his damaged body some long overdue rest. Life will prevail!
And you bear the IM tag! What is this?
I am more concerned for MVP health than his winnings. If you are an IM fan, you will be more concerned about MVP conditions rather than him winning games.
His condition is actually very serious. I hope after this season he takes a LONG BREAK to recover. But i guess not.
MVP is pushing himself because he knows if he takes a long break,he will fall behind. But honestly.
On October 12 2012 03:20 Chengakz wrote: I didnt know where to ask this, but is there an interview of the MVP and Life after their wins? If so, link pls? Thanks!
On October 11 2012 13:04 DeCoder wrote: It's time for the old champ to retire and give his damaged body some long overdue rest. Life will prevail!
And you bear the IM tag! What is this?
I am more concerned for MVP health than his winnings. If you are an IM fan, you will be more concerned about MVP conditions rather than him winning games.
His condition is actually very serious. I hope after this season he takes a LONG BREAK to recover. But i guess not.
MVP is pushing himself because he knows if he takes a long break,he will fall behind. But honestly.
Health always come first.
We may have differing opinions on what a fan is but I guess I think it's supporting the players whatever they decide. They know the exact situation, we don't, how do we know what is best for them? I 100% support the IM team and coach. MVP and his coach want him to win, so I do too. Him losing won't get him any closer to being healed.
Sc2 won't be competitive at the highest level if blizzard don't patch MVP. This guy just owns In important games. His crisp execution of a diverse set of builds e.g mech, all-ins, macro makes him very hard to beat in a long series. Solid all round player.
On October 11 2012 06:04 FlyingTurtle wrote: The GSL is a tournament that plays to Mvp's strengths. He is incredibly strong at long series with preparation against a single opponent. He isn't particularly dominant in the early rounds of Code S compared to players like Life and Taeja because of the short-match, multiple-opponent format. Similarly, Mvp was pretty lackluster in teamleagues and 2-3 day foreign tournaments; players like Taeja, capable of taking whatever is thrown at him, excel in such situations. Mvp really shines in the later rounds of Code S, where his vast repertoire, excellent preparation, and perseverance are most important. Life is good, but this is Mvp's format.
Mvp 4-1 Life
Mvp is lackluster in tournaments with no preparation? He has won MLG, IEM, WCG and Blizzcon. Hell, he even fought his way through the open bracket at MLG Providence to finish 4th despite the disadvantage of not being seeded into the tournament. All of these tournaments were 2-3 day tournaments.
You're right, he's totally better when he can prepare, but he is still very good when he can't. The fact that Mvp is somehow bad in tournaments with no preparation is a MYTH. Yeah he didn't do well in a few tournaments he went to in early 2012, but who does well in every tournament he goes to? Can't think of any.
He even fought his way through the open bracket at MLG Providence to finish 4th despite the disadvantage of not being seeded into the tournament -> He recorded 26-5 thou he started from open bracket and experienced many long macro games which made him really tired. Plus He was the only terran player in Top 8. (while mma and others below Top 20 or something)
On October 12 2012 00:05 CosmicSpiral wrote: Winning the GSL does not make you the best player in the world; that is a terrible misconception.
Debatable. no other tournament allows for such preparation time. Scrappy tournament play during long drawn out endurance style days != the best of anyones play. 10 hours into the final day of MLG all i imagine is that each player is playing exactly like they do when they decide to grind the ladder for an entire day. No real coaching or studying of their opponent, just raw off the cuff games.
It's very, very silly to see people now claiming that MVP is better than Taeja. Two weeks ago, this board cried out that he was "the best player in the world."
MVP, the "pull all scvs" terran, is a waste of time. I hope Life demolishes him, just so people can stop cheering for a player that relies and examining his opponents replays, rather than pure talent and skill.
On October 12 2012 17:00 dAijow wrote: It's very, very silly to see people now claiming that MVP is better than Taeja. Two weeks ago, this board cried out that he was "the best player in the world."
MVP, the "pull all scvs" terran, is a waste of time. I hope Life demolishes him, just so people can stop cheering for a player that relies and examining his opponents replays, rather than pure talent and skill.
Skillwise; Taeja is far better than MVP.
Go Life!
So basically you are saying Taeja doesnt know how to examine replays and rely simply on skill alone?
We understand that Mvp is nowhere near his 2011 dominance, and if you actually compare is skill then and now you'll realize he was actually a lot better then. His smart play is what makes him so nice to cheer for, instead of another MKP.
They play this game to win, not to show off how good they are at using a mouse/keyboard.
And no, we wont stop cheering for Mvp even if Life demolishes him. We'll just urge him to go get surgery or something lol
On October 12 2012 17:00 dAijow wrote: It's very, very silly to see people now claiming that MVP is better than Taeja. Two weeks ago, this board cried out that he was "the best player in the world."
MVP, the "pull all scvs" terran, is a waste of time. I hope Life demolishes him, just so people can stop cheering for a player that relies and examining his opponents replays, rather than pure talent and skill.
Skillwise; Taeja is far better than MVP.
Go Life!
There's something fishy about this post, it's probably a bait.
On October 12 2012 17:00 dAijow wrote: It's very, very silly to see people now claiming that MVP is better than Taeja. Two weeks ago, this board cried out that he was "the best player in the world."
MVP, the "pull all scvs" terran, is a waste of time. I hope Life demolishes him, just so people can stop cheering for a player that relies and examining his opponents replays, rather than pure talent and skill.
Skillwise; Taeja is far better than MVP.
Go Life!
There's something fishy about this post, it's probably a bait.
Or a really bad player who likes to whine against scv pulls
Problem is that Life isn't gonna be able to kill Mvp as easily (mainly cuz his games vs Taeja are huge tells for Mvp) and he's not that good of a macro zerg, game 3 clearly showed that. If it goes late, Mvp should have this ez. Dno what Life can do... seems like playing his own super aggressive style vs Mvp is suicide. I feel like his only shot is to go for super precise unusual timings and execute them prefectly. Else he dead.
On October 12 2012 00:05 CosmicSpiral wrote: Winning the GSL does not make you the best player in the world; that is a terrible misconception.
Debatable. no other tournament allows for such preparation time. Scrappy tournament play during long drawn out endurance style days != the best of anyones play. 10 hours into the final day of MLG all i imagine is that each player is playing exactly like they do when they decide to grind the ladder for an entire day. No real coaching or studying of their opponent, just raw off the cuff games.
There are many different tournament formats, and the best player in the world will show that he can win in all of them.
MKP was beating his Korean peers convincingly in those foreign tournaments. Taeja was doing the same. Winning the GSL does not make you the best player in the world; that is a terrible misconception.
I don't think winning a GSL makes you the best player in the world, but I don't think someone can be called the best player in the world if they haven't won a GSL.
On October 12 2012 17:00 dAijow wrote: It's very, very silly to see people now claiming that MVP is better than Taeja. Two weeks ago, this board cried out that he was "the best player in the world."
MVP, the "pull all scvs" terran, is a waste of time. I hope Life demolishes him, just so people can stop cheering for a player that relies and examining his opponents replays, rather than pure talent and skill.
Skillwise; Taeja is far better than MVP.
Go Life!
yes Taeja is so good that he got eliminated in the semis whereas Mvp is going to the grand finals.
On October 12 2012 17:00 dAijow wrote: It's very, very silly to see people now claiming that MVP is better than Taeja. Two weeks ago, this board cried out that he was "the best player in the world."
MVP, the "pull all scvs" terran, is a waste of time. I hope Life demolishes him, just so people can stop cheering for a player that relies and examining his opponents replays, rather than pure talent and skill.
Skillwise; Taeja is far better than MVP.
Go Life!
yes Taeja is so good that he got eliminated in the semis whereas Mvp is going to the grand finals.
MVP is so good he lost to Taeja in the last two GSL's...
On October 12 2012 17:00 dAijow wrote: It's very, very silly to see people now claiming that MVP is better than Taeja. Two weeks ago, this board cried out that he was "the best player in the world."
MVP, the "pull all scvs" terran, is a waste of time. I hope Life demolishes him, just so people can stop cheering for a player that relies and examining his opponents replays, rather than pure talent and skill.
Skillwise; Taeja is far better than MVP.
Go Life!
yes Taeja is so good that he got eliminated in the semis whereas Mvp is going to the grand finals.
MVP is so good he lost to Taeja in the last two GSL's...
MVP almost always lost to MMA i don't think any smart person would argue that MMA is better than MVP though. People don't think about how long Taeja has been around and he started doing well recently, I agree that right now he is almost unstoppable. But I feel like he is going to fall off pretty soon.
life's agressive lair style remind me of zerg in 2011 e.g julyzerg. but immvp man he knows how to deal with this, he has 70% win rate against zerg in 2011
Can't believe Taeja lost so badly. This summer he just went on a complete tear and I was expecting him to sweep through Life easily. I'm guessing he got too cocky. :L