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MrKn4rz
Germany2153 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Also, it is impossible to spread vs storms and kite effectively at the same time. Since Korean terrans are so good splitting vs banes, there is no reason not to spread vs storms if it was actually effective. Problem is once you spread, the chargelots will just kill all the bio 1 by 1. This is different from banelings since each banelings hit also kills a banelings. With chargelots, they just kill a marine and move onto the next. | ||
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Conreik
France51 Posts
On April 12 2012 02:34 tdt wrote: Every professional stat protoss is behind. Win rates, tounament wins, representation, so all terran is left to talk about is annecdotal single games and they go crazy when protoss win. In thier mind protoss is never supposed to win I think. Annecdotal games and also the fact that you won't find a single Terran that states that late game TvP is totally balanced. | ||
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ooozer
Germany231 Posts
Yes, as a protoss player I do admit,: Late Game PvT favors toss, even though it's not unbeatable (I fear blanket emp the most). But, instead of only demanding stronger late game, terrans should start consider the overall matchup. Balancing the terran late game would mean, that they own protoss early game, have a slight edge in the mid and equal chances late game. That's not balanced aswell. Strenghten terrans late game also means that early and early to mid game has to be weakened. How are you going to accomplish that? Buffing mech? That would mean terrans get 2 possible late game paths (bio can still kill a protoss deathball) whereas protoss only has their 1-boring-deathball? that wouldn't be fair aswell. Making bio weaker makes protoss 2 base pushes stronger, also imbalanced. So instead of complaining about toss, why not watch how the meta game evolves? Exactly the same thing terrans said to toss in the sad-zealot-period. 2 toss advances, protoss imba? What about the time we had almost no toss in GSL? Are the statistics favouring toss?Do toss win tournaments left an right? Squirtle was the only toss after pool play, think of that.. | ||
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MrKn4rz
Germany2153 Posts
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SpiZz
112 Posts
What has this site become ... | ||
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Conreik
France51 Posts
On April 12 2012 02:42 ooozer wrote: OP's ist hella biased in my opinion. Yes, as a protoss player I do admit,: Late Game PvT favors toss, even though it's not unbeatable (I fear blanket emp the most). But, instead of only demanding stronger late game, terrans should start consider the overall matchup. Balancing the terran late game would mean, that they own protoss early game, have a slight edge in the mid and equal chances late game. That's not balanced aswell. Strenghten terrans late game also means that early and early to mid game has to be weakened. How are you going to accomplish that? Buffing mech? That would mean terrans get 2 possible late game paths (bio can still kill a protoss deathball) whereas protoss only has their 1-boring-deathball? that wouldn't be fair aswell. Making bio weaker makes protoss 2 base pushes stronger, also imbalanced. So instead of complaining about toss, why not watch how the meta game evolves? Exactly the same thing terrans said to toss in the sad-zealot-period. 2 toss advances, protoss imba? What about the time we had almost no toss in GSL? Are the statistics favouring toss?Do toss win tournaments left an right? Squirtle was the only toss after pool play, think of that.. They should weaken Protoss late game and Terran early game. Put a buff to the bunker so we can hold protosses all ins a bit better and I would be happy with it. Or remove Protoss and redesign it but I think that's out of the question ! :D | ||
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jlake02
United States395 Posts
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ratm
8 Posts
It makes no sense, it makes no sense. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On April 12 2012 02:49 Conreik wrote: They should weaken Protoss late game and Terran early game. Put a buff to the bunker so we can hold protosses all ins a bit better and I would be happy with it. Or remove Protoss and redesign it but I think that's out of the question ! :D If you buff the Bunker, I feel really sorry for Zerg players who have to deal with Bunker pressure constantly >_> I say tweak the midgame a bit in P's favor and the lategame a bit in T's favor and you've got a better MU overall. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On April 12 2012 02:41 Conreik wrote: Annecdotal games and also the fact that you won't find a single Terran that states that late game TvP is totally balanced. They might not but there are problems with that complaint when they don't spread and don't use ghosts well. When they do, I've seen Terran mow through a late game protoss amry with good EMPs just as much as the other way with storms. There is also late game unexplored issues like MMM has been mainstay for almost two years and needs to deveolp beyond that. Annecdotal games from best TvPer in the world is like whining how imba terran is when MMA demolished Zerg. Doesnt wash. | ||
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-Kira
352 Posts
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ratm
8 Posts
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
this mu just needs some times to develop again. it has been forever since protoss last come up with new strats anyway. | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
For showing even in news report that TvP has got some serious problems. Dustin Browder/ David Kim do something! | ||
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ooozer
Germany231 Posts
On April 12 2012 02:49 Conreik wrote: They should weaken Protoss late game and Terran early game. Put a buff to the bunker so we can hold protosses all ins a bit better and I would be happy with it. Or remove Protoss and redesign it but I think that's out of the question ! :D Yeah and forget about Zerg. Zerg has the strongest late game (as long as they don't get flushed down the archon toilet). Weaken the protoss death ball breaks PvZ aswell... Note that Protoss are playing extremly greedy recently (1 Gate (double) expand, Nexus first) without getting punished. Economical cheese is extremly hard to deal with withouth pressure. 1 rax gas(less) FE or double expand is not what i call a pressure build | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:05 bluegarfield wrote: I may not understand fully the TvP matchups, but to me, it seems like what happened late 2010 early 2011 when MC dominate all terran with his 1gate expo into 6gate burst, utilizing his imba FF usage. he looked unbeatable at times until terran figured out his timing and attack his weakness. i think the same is happening right now, what PartinG is doing does leave some holes in his defense, i believe mkp hit a nice timing a few times when playing vs parting. this mu just needs some times to develop again. it has been forever since protoss last come up with new strats anyway. That's the way I feel. It's new. Will get figuered out either by not letting PartinG get that far by finding holes in his game or a counter. It's not like they don't have the tools and do. MKP shows how to beat it often, you just have to be good, spread, use ghost/scans well. | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On April 12 2012 02:42 ooozer wrote: OP's ist hella biased in my opinion. Yes, as a protoss player I do admit,: Late Game PvT favors toss, even though it's not unbeatable (I fear blanket emp the most). But, instead of only demanding stronger late game, terrans should start consider the overall matchup. Balancing the terran late game would mean, that they own protoss early game, have a slight edge in the mid and equal chances late game. That's not balanced aswell. Strenghten terrans late game also means that early and early to mid game has to be weakened. How are you going to accomplish that? Buffing mech? That would mean terrans get 2 possible late game paths (bio can still kill a protoss deathball) whereas protoss only has their 1-boring-deathball? that wouldn't be fair aswell. Making bio weaker makes protoss 2 base pushes stronger, also imbalanced. So instead of complaining about toss, why not watch how the meta game evolves? Exactly the same thing terrans said to toss in the sad-zealot-period. 2 toss advances, protoss imba? What about the time we had almost no toss in GSL? Are the statistics favouring toss?Do toss win tournaments left an right? Squirtle was the only toss after pool play, think of that.. Well said | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
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Chr15t
Denmark1103 Posts
On April 12 2012 01:21 Waxangel wrote: eh, Oz was a surprise, but PartinG is one of those single handedly makes a matchup look imba guy :O That , and every TvP i play on ladder. Its "keep protoss on 2 base or die trying" :D | ||
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