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[Code S] RO32 - Group F Preview/Group H Recap

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Code S RO32: Group H Recap


By: Waxangel

Results from Live Report Thread by Seeker.

+ Show Spoiler [Results] +
Match 1
(P)PartinG <Entombed Valley> (T)Polt
(P)PartinG <Antiga Shipyard 1.2> (T)Polt
(P)PartinG <Daybreak> (T)Polt

Match 2
(T)fOrGG <Antiga Shipyard 1.2> (P)Oz
(T)fOrGG <Daybreak> (P)Oz
(T)fOrGG <> (P)Oz

Match 3
(P)PartinG <Daybreak> (T)fOrGG
(P)PartinG <Dual Sight 1.1> (T)fOrGG
(P)PartinG <> (T)fOrGG

Match 4
(T)Polt <Daybreak> (P)Oz
(T)Polt <Antiga Shipyard 1.2> (P)Oz
(T)Polt <> (P)Oz

Match 5
(T)fOrGG <Atlantis Spaceship> (P)Oz
(T)fOrGG <Entombed Valley> (P)Oz
(T)fOrGG <> (P)Oz



PartinG advances to Code S Ro16
Oz advances to Code S Ro16
fOrGG falls to Code A Ro32
Polt falls to Code A Ro48



P vs. T_T

If the eleven games in Code S's Group H were an accurate representation of modern TvP, then Terran players might have a right to complain. With a stroke of match-making chance turning every single match into a TvP battle, Group H was a veritable TvP bonanza – one that Protoss won convincingly. (P)ST_PartinG and (P)FXOz not only advanced from the group, but managed to make the match-up look downright imbalanced in the process.


Aged Whine

For some time, Terran players have been pointing out that Protoss becomes more and more powerful as their deathball grows, until the point they become nearly unbeatable in the late-game with their massive splash damage and superior upgrades.

PartinG and Oz seemed to agree, and brought several build orders that were precisely tuned towards reaching a strong late-game state. PartinG once again used his two base, fast templar build that he showed against MarineKing at the GSTL finals, while it was actually Oz who used the old 'PartinG build' from the previous season, taking two fast expansions into seven gate pressure. Oz also debuted a build that was entirely new to the GSL, an unintuitive but effective forge fast expansion into three bases with fast upgrades.

Whatever path they took to get there, PartinG and Oz proved the Terran players correct by being downright unstoppable once they had multiple bases, storm, and mass upgrades. Every single game that went long, the two Protoss players were able to take in the end. The three games the Protoss players did lose were due to a failed one-base all-in from PartinG and two sloppily microed early game engagements from Oz.

With Group G, containing (P)SlayerS_Puzzle, (P)Quantic.NaNiwa, (T)SlayerS_Ryung, and (T)IMmvp coming up in a few days, it will be interesting to see if things go any different.


Further validation for PartinG, redemption for Oz

Part of the reason PvT looked imbalanced may have been because PartinG – widely considered the best PvT player in the world – was playing. He furthered that reputation by making his group look like a cakewalk, taking down a fearsome TvP player in (T)TSL_Polt, and claiming (T)oGS.fOrGG's difficult-to-value head as well. PartinG can now look forward to the RO16 group selections where the fans, at least, are eagerly anticipating a PartinG vs. MKP rematch.

Oz looked poor in his initial series loss to ForGG (making force-field mistakes and poor engagement decisions that were reminiscent of his series against MMA last season), but he showed solid defense and strong late game play in his last two series to help shore up his recently faltering PvT reputation. At least from his two winning series, he looked like a player who definitely should have played ahead of Choya in the GSTL series against Prime. For now, Oz's PvT looks like a very hot and cold affair, which is still an improvement from its ice cold state a few days ago.


Twin Elephants

Up to now, ForGG's SC II career has panned out in the most uninteresting way possible. If he had dominated like he initially boasted, then the Elephant theory would have been given much credence. If he had bombed and disappointed heavily, it would have been in turn, a strong blow against the Elephant. Instead, ForGG is settling at almost exactly the same point he was at when he retired from Brood War: a Ro32-16 individual league player, and a decent but not particularly fearsome team league player. From that, we can deduce that BW skill translates reasonably well to SC II, which is a boring bit of information we could have derived from a few dozen other pros. Though things could change in the future, ForGG will be stuck in this zone for a few months unless he gets a foreign tournament opportunity.

As for Polt, he showed that even the Super Tournament champion couldn't do anything to make GomTV's Code S seeds look credible. With NaNiwa – a player who even admitted himself that he didn't quite deserve a Code S seed (but that he would be stupid not to take the opportunity) – up soon, the seeded players are in danger of going 0 – 4 in 2012. If seeded players continue to perform poorly, GomTV might not be able to ignore that particular elephant much longer.


1/1/1 is dead? and Other Peculiar Patterns

There were some notable differences between Group H's eleven games and the TvPs in GSL Season One. Just like any balance arguments, it's hard to reach a solid conclusion off a small sample size, and the strategies used might have more to do with the four players' individual styles than overall trends in the match-up. Still, the following points were interesting to note.

To begin, the once infamous 1/1/1 didn't rear its head even once. In fact, neither did the 2-rax reactor/tech lab build, with every single game seeing the Terran players go with a gasless fast-expansion variant. Considering Polt has been one of the best players at using both builds in the past, and ForGG's happily all-in on stream nature, it was a bit of a surprise. Even PuMa seems to be losing faith in his 1/1/1 mind games, so perhaps the once feared build will soon be a relic of the past.

Two base timing attacks were a frequent sight in GSL Season One (hi Puzzle and MC!), and even this weekend at IPL4 (hi Squirtle!) but neither PartinG nor Oz were inclined to try. Parting did use a pair of one-base all-in builds in his growingly predictable pattern of "all-in game two if you win game one," but once he had two nexuses down, he seemed determined to play out a long game. Perhaps PartinG and Oz were confident enough in their late game abilities that they saw no need to risk anything off two bases.

All out attack was the order of the day for ForGG and Polt, who rallied troops to their opponents bases and tried to pressure whenever they could. A few blunders from Oz in his initial match against ForGG saw him lose the series to such aggression, but in the end both PartinG and Oz were more than capable of holding off the attacks until their war machines got going.


Game of the Night: (P)PartinG vs (T)Polt - Game One

The first game of the night neatly captured the spirit of all eleven games in a single action-packed, furiously paced package.

After securing his expansion, Polt battered PartinG non-stop, hoping to crack his defenses and hurt him before he could stabilize and assemble his army of death. Polt expanded freely during his aggression and his macro was mostly on point, giving him what looked to be a large advantage as he headed into the late game.

At several points, Polt looked like he was just one round of reinforcements from breaking through, but PartinG always found a way to survive. Once his upgrades and high templars kicked in, PartinG showed that nothing the Terran player had done up to then, or could do from that point on, really mattered at all. Engagements started going from being even trades to slightly beneficial trades for Protoss, and then eventually they became landslide victories. PartinG made TvP look like a match-up that is played on a time limit, with Terran facing a certain game over if they cannot win in time.

Code S RO32: Group F Preview


By: Fionn

(T)Slayers_MMA, (P)Startale_Squirtle, (Z)FXOLeenock, (T)coL.NaDa

In what could be called the Group of Death in this season's GSL (with Squirtle's evolution, it's very plausible), the top seeded player in this pool, (T)Slayers_MMA, will try to get back to his championship winning ways by making a statement in his starting group. MMA sat at home while other players were off winning foreign titles and then lost MarineKing 0 – 2 at IPL4, casting doubt on whether or not he was truly the best Terran in the world. With MarineKing absolutely killing every tournament he is a part of, the bare minimum MMA can do to keep pace is to make it out of this group.

The biggest weakness in MMA's game has been his Terran versus Protoss. Other top players like MarineKing and DongRaeGu struggle against specific races as well, but nowhere near to the degree as MMA does against Protoss. With a 47% win rate in the match-up, and recent losses to Choya in both the GSTL, and a best-of-three series in the MLG Spring Arena online qualifier, it doesn't look like he has improved much between Season One and Two. With Protoss players looking particularly strong lately, this could mean trouble. Needless to be said, MMA's TvZ is still the best in the world and his TvT has enough variety to beat any Terran, but for him to get first in this group, he is going to have to overcome his Achilles heel.

The only Protoss player in this group, (P)Startale_Squirtle comes in with much recently gained popularity from his near miracle run at IPL4. Starting from the absolutely stacked open bracket, Squirtle beat ToD, Byun, SaSe, Ace, PuMa, Creator, MC, Bomber, MKP, MMA, and Nestea to make it to the grand finals. Though he suffered a heartbreaking loss at the final hurdle, losing a second Bo5 series to aLive after winning the first, he had made an incredible statement. With the most impressive three day stretch in Starcraft II history, he showed that he belongs among the elite players of the world.

Having already beaten MMA this past weekend, you would have to favor him over the SlayerS ace going into their series. He did use some trickery and aggressive colossus play to beat MMA, but as he showed later on in the tournament that his late-game PvT is right up there with his teammate Parting's. His PvP is statistically is his strongest match-up, but he's still strong against Zerg, and with an opponent who hasn't been doing so well against Toss recently, this group could be Squirtle's for the taking.

(Z)FXOLeenock won Providence and made the GSL November finals five months ago, and since then has been on a bit of a slump. That's not to say that he still isn't one of the best Zergs in the world, but while DongRaeGu was getting his first GSL win and Nestea was coming back from the dead on Easter, Leenock has been getting knocked out in the early stages of foreign tournaments, unable to recapture the magic of his run at Providence. Even so, Leenock is a player that has all the tools to make it out of the group in first and his ZvT is still something that every Terran, even MMA, should be fearful of.

His ZvP, a lot like MMA's TvP, is the bane of his existence and one of the main reasons why he hasn't been doing so well lately. With it also being 47% currently, just like MMA's vP, a match against Squirtle isn't something Leenock will be looking forward to. If he can stay clear of Squirtle and maybe pull off a minor upset against MMA, he could get out of this group first, but it will be a dog fight to even get out of such a difficult draw.

Last but not least, (T)coL.NaDa has returned to his rightful spot in Code S and with a year left before mandatory military service, will be trying to make his first ever GSL finals this season. Many fans pegged him for dead after he went on a dreadful slump before last season's Code S, but after dropping down to Code A, Nada battled back with two highly impressive wins against Creator and Maru. Looking back at those wins now, with Maru steamrolling into the round of sixteen of Code S and Creator already one of the better Protoss players in the world, it's even more impressive how Nada was able to hold off the young rookies to make it back into Code S.

It's not going to be an easy group as Leenock is dynamite in ZvT, MMA is no slouch in TvT and Squirtle has shown deadly PvT at Las Vegas. However, it's still very possible that the Tornado Terran will get through. Squirtle might have been stellar at IPL4, but he, like the other three in the group, will no doubt be fatigued from his long flight from Las Vegas back to Korea. MMA's TvT does have a lot of variety to it, but it hasn't looked nearly as good as it was when he topped Mvp. With TvT being Nada's strongest match-up, it could be the match he's looking for. Leenock will be the toughest nut to crack of the three for Nada, but with some luck and the heavy experience advantage he holds over all three, there is no doubt that Nada can get out of this group if he plays his cards right.

Predictions:

Squirtle > MMA
Leenock > Nada
Squirtle > Leenock
MMA > Nada
MMA > Leenock

Squirtle and MMA advance.

















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Writers: Fionn and Waxangel.
Graphics and Art: Meko and shiroiusagi.
Editor: Waxangel.
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wildmachine
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5 Posts
April 11 2012 16:13 GMT
#2
MMA FTW!!
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
April 11 2012 16:13 GMT
#3
Nice re-cap. Shame about ForGG though
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aDd3z
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany885 Posts
April 11 2012 16:19 GMT
#4
sadly dont think nada has a chance here
but i hope he and squirtle make it out of the group
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Conreik
Profile Joined September 2011
France51 Posts
April 11 2012 16:19 GMT
#5
P vs. T_T

I could'nt have made a better title. Even with godly micro, TvP seems unwinnable these days. The Protoss excuse "Yeah but if you play like a code S player, the MU is balanced" can no longer be used and I hope modifications will be made considering this MU.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33392 Posts
April 11 2012 16:21 GMT
#6
On April 12 2012 01:19 Conreik wrote:
P vs. T_T

I could'nt have made a better title. Even with godly micro, TvP seems unwinnable these days. The Protoss excuse "Yeah but if you play like a code S player, the MU is balanced" can no longer be used and I hope modifications will be made considering this MU.


eh, Oz was a surprise, but PartinG is one of those single handedly makes a matchup look imba guy :O
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Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
April 11 2012 16:22 GMT
#7
As a Terran who HATES TvP, last night's GSL Group H was painful to watch.
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
April 11 2012 16:23 GMT
#8
Such a tough group to call I feel.

Whereas yesterday I was convinced that Fin would have a major advantage in his group due to the travel back to Korea from Las Vegas for the other three players, this seems now to be a dubious assumption. I had thought initially that Nada would have had a fair chance due to this, though I guess travel simply affects different players differently, so this may or may not be the case.

It will also be interesting to see how Squirtle does in his Code S debut. He seems to have been around forever, being either the first or second Korean to win a foreign event (IEM before or after Genius won BlizzCon?), but could never really make it. He has gone through stages of his PvZ looking incredibly suspect as well as his PvT looking quite dire as well, but now it seems he has found a style suited for him in both. MMA has never looked really good in TvP, so this should be his chance.

Finally Leenock. While it is true that his ZvP record is everything but good, he has shown a lot of really good ZvP games. Either a lot of it has to do with maps or with him not being able to perform across the board against varying styles of Protoss play, or it could be that he has come some ways but not yet mastered the matchup. Recently, his ZvT which looked awesome during his run to the GSL finals has also been lacking, and judging on that form he should be somewhere in the middle of handily beating Nada while being disfavored to say the least in standard games versus MMA.

Should be a good group to watch. Interesting players, interesting storylines, and while it seems like Squirtle should somehow be favored to advance, it is his debut, he just got back from his IPL4 run and to be quite frank, he has not yet been tested in Code S.
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
April 11 2012 16:27 GMT
#9
On April 12 2012 01:19 Conreik wrote:
P vs. T_T

I could'nt have made a better title. Even with godly micro, TvP seems unwinnable these days. The Protoss excuse "Yeah but if you play like a code S player, the MU is balanced" can no longer be used and I hope modifications will be made considering this MU.


Last three major foreign tournaments have been won by Terran players. In all of them the Terran had to beat a Code S Protoss player in order to either advance to the finals or to win the actual finals itself. Furthermore, we have seen TvPs in two other groups so far this season, which ended in Maru beating HerO 2-1 and SuperNova beating Genius with the same score. Such a small sample size, but saying that a matchup seems unwinnable just based on one group when in fact all recent tournament results between Code S players have pointed in the opposite direction seems ludicrous.
Conreik
Profile Joined September 2011
France51 Posts
April 11 2012 16:28 GMT
#10
On April 12 2012 01:21 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 01:19 Conreik wrote:
P vs. T_T

I could'nt have made a better title. Even with godly micro, TvP seems unwinnable these days. The Protoss excuse "Yeah but if you play like a code S player, the MU is balanced" can no longer be used and I hope modifications will be made considering this MU.


eh, Oz was a surprise, but PartinG is one of those single handedly makes a matchup look imba guy :O


My feelings about TvP were not made only by these matches, I have seen so many Terran's die under colossi and HT fire, I can't stand it anymore :D.
The first game polt played made the MU looked really bad. Polt was one base ahead and never stopped putting pressure, the toss won anyway.
DayWalk3r
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada192 Posts
April 11 2012 16:28 GMT
#11
sad to see terrans whining about tvp lately ... i mean nothing much has changed in the matchup in the recent past, protoss just have terrans figuered out and push for late game, terrans need to feel the pain protoss had to endure for a majority of last year ...

Squirtle and Mma to advance, spot on wax
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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
April 11 2012 16:28 GMT
#12
Agreed on pretty much... well everything really, nice writeup
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33392 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-11 16:29:28
April 11 2012 16:29 GMT
#13
MKP alone makes TvP look stupidly imba -_-

buuuut he does lose to PartinG when the games go late ^_^;
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Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
April 11 2012 16:29 GMT
#14
MMA!

hope he gets out somehow
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efeKs
Profile Joined April 2012
United States4 Posts
April 11 2012 16:31 GMT
#15
lol so Protoss start winning and there is immediately something wrong with the match.-_-
Tulkas25
Profile Joined August 2011
Greece292 Posts
April 11 2012 16:32 GMT
#16
I hope this doesnt result in a balance whine even though some things are obvious for a while now when it comes to lategame trades and the effectivenes of high templars in destroying terran armies almost by themselves.

About today's matches i really liked the fact that oz tried to bring something different in the table and even though parting for sure is better and kinda more abusive than oz atm,i think that in the long run players like oz who think and bring new builds will be the ones to prevail.And tbh parting kinda relies on his lategame while oz forced ppl to make mistakes and commit on stupid attacks and he didnt rely on any of the "unbalanced" tech of the protoss army to stop them.

Also about parting's build the great thing is that the forge expand makes him really safe against cloaked banshees which can immediately shut down the far greedier 3expo into 7-8 gate that parting introduced.
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Conreik
Profile Joined September 2011
France51 Posts
April 11 2012 16:33 GMT
#17
On April 12 2012 01:31 efeKs wrote:
lol so Protoss start winning and there is immediately something wrong with the match.-_-


You got to be really blind not to see that late game favors Protoss way too much.
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
April 11 2012 16:35 GMT
#18
Squirtle all the way. He made PvT look so silly today.
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
Tulkas25
Profile Joined August 2011
Greece292 Posts
April 11 2012 16:35 GMT
#19
On April 12 2012 01:31 efeKs wrote:
lol so Protoss start winning and there is immediately something wrong with the match.-_-



Not exactly.Ppl are complaining for a long time about the matchup.But as most balance changes that have already happened were most often trigered by gsl domination and not from diamond,master or even random grandmaster joes.It's still too early though
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S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
April 11 2012 16:35 GMT
#20
On April 12 2012 01:28 DayWalk3r wrote:
sad to see terrans whining about tvp lately ... i mean nothing much has changed in the matchup in the recent past, protoss just have terrans figuered out and push for late game, terrans need to feel the pain protoss had to endure for a majority of last year ...

Squirtle and Mma to advance, spot on wax

It's reasonings like this that make me convinced that certain Protoss players don't give a damn about balance but were merely upset that no Protoss won tournaments back in the sad zealot days.
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