EPTOz played well, but Fin's TvP wasn't that awe inspiring and in his series against Polt did the Daybreak quick third base that didn't get challenged at all and then another quick third with a great timing.
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
Oz played well, but Fin's TvP wasn't that awe inspiring and in his series against Polt did the Daybreak quick third base that didn't get challenged at all and then another quick third with a great timing. | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
Did you forget the crying zealot caps? | ||
Waxangel
United States33581 Posts
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pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
Parting won his late game because he played it really well and his opponents made too many mistakes | ||
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efeKs
United States4 Posts
On April 12 2012 01:33 Conreik wrote: You got to be really blind not to see that late game favors Protoss way too much. I refuse to comment on such things as balance i merely stated that that it is absurd to start QQ over this. please do not reply if it's a comment on balance have a nice day. | ||
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DayWalk3r
Canada192 Posts
On April 12 2012 01:35 S_SienZ wrote: It's reasonings like this that make me convinced that certain Protoss players don't give a damn about balance but were merely upset that no Protoss won tournaments back in the sad zealot days. err we do, but unlinke terrans we change our gamestyle to something that favours us, trying to match the bio ball early game without area of effect damage is suicidal and thus protoss go late game every time vs the bio ball ... if blizzard nerfs the toss late game maybe they need to give us cheaper ranged units so we dont get kited to death by bio balls | ||
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efeKs
United States4 Posts
On April 12 2012 01:35 Tulkas25 wrote: Not exactly.Ppl are complaining for a long time about the matchup.But as most balance changes that have already happened were most often trigered by gsl domination and not from diamond,master or even random grandmaster joes.It's still too early though The thing is that every race complains about every other race,so you see it's an endless cycle of QQ and one i do not want to be part of. | ||
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Olinim
4044 Posts
On April 12 2012 01:35 S_SienZ wrote: It's reasonings like this that make me convinced that certain Protoss players don't give a damn about balance but were merely upset that no Protoss won tournaments back in the sad zealot days. They don't really win these days either. MC is the only protoss who won a tournament in 2012. | ||
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FlamingForce
Netherlands701 Posts
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Conreik
France51 Posts
On April 12 2012 01:37 Laserist wrote: It take nearly a whole year for protoss to figure out PvT, now the time has come for terran players. Did you forget the crying zealot caps? The thing is, there is nothing left to discover, all the counters have been found, you need perfect EMP's, split, kitting, viking to colossus ratio, etc. It's not like they were a secret composition that we did not have tried already. Let's use this argument for PvZ then, Zerg crushes protoss with 12 min max on roaches and a lot of protoss stated that every strat have already been tried against it and nothing works. Stephano, the best foreigner Zerg even says ZvP is imbalanced and should be fixed. Every Terran I know complain about late game TvP. The only perfectly even match up at the moment is TvZ imo. | ||
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Chenz
Sweden1197 Posts
(..) PartinG showed that nothing the Terran player had done up to then, or could do from that point on, really mattered at all. I don't quite agree. Polt threw away so many ghosts as soon as he had to start kiting zealots. Had he managed to keep his ghosts, he would've done much better in the late game. | ||
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ashLoo
United States202 Posts
Squirtle fighting. 2-0'd 3 amazing terrans including MMA @ IPL 4 GL TO ALL | ||
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Ktk
Korea (South)753 Posts
On April 12 2012 01:46 Chenz wrote: I don't quite agree. Polt threw away so many ghosts as soon as he had to start kiting zealots. Had he managed to keep his ghosts, he would've done much better in the late game. How do you propose saving your ghosts in the offchance you lose an engagement? Chargelots out, you have to stim to get away and even then you can get poked repeatedly by autohit. You're guaranteed to lose ghosts then. ............................. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On April 12 2012 01:46 Conreik wrote: The thing is, there is nothing left to discover, all the counters have been found, you need perfect EMP's, split, kitting, viking to colossus ratio, etc. It's not like they were a secret composition that we did not have tried already. Let's use this argument for PvZ then, Zerg crushes protoss with 12 min max on roaches and a lot of protoss stated that every strat have already been tried against it and nothing works. Stephano, the best foreigner Zerg even says ZvP is imbalanced and should be fixed. Every Terran I know complain about late game TvP. The only perfectly even match up at the moment is TvZ imo. I know you're kidding, right? *about TvZ being balanced, that is | ||
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Hiea
Denmark1538 Posts
On April 12 2012 01:45 FlamingForce wrote: Is it just me or is there something very wrong with saying that NaDa is back in his "rightful" code S spot only to predict him to drop out of it? Code S is more stacked than ever, there isn't really weak players like there was 2-3 seasons ago, anyone can drop out in Ro32 right now if you ask me. | ||
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efeKs
United States4 Posts
On April 12 2012 01:39 pPingu wrote: I was hoping for more parting praising than something than what seems to me will end in "today I lost to protoss on ladder, clearly imbalance" :/ Parting won his late game because he played it really well and his opponents made too many mistakes I too but with all due respect to TeamLiquid this post seemed more like an excuse for people to start and uproar. There just throwing more wood at the fire. | ||
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phyren
United States1067 Posts
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On April 12 2012 01:59 phyren wrote: Terrans may be rightfully complaining about late game tvp, but early through mid game still tends to favor the terran. This doesn't mean the mu is balanced, but it does make it annoying to see all this terran whining. Speaking as a T, I'd much rather the MU be more balanced throughout the various stages of the game rather than it's current one. It's quite sickening that most of the time you can correctly predict the winner of a TvP just by looking at the length of the replay. | ||
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
And then I want to see winrates of games going on for longer then 20 minutes, last time someone did it terran had less then 20% if I remember correctly. P vs T_T indeed, maybe in HOTS non-Polt/MKP terrans can win lategame TvP. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Having said that, maps are very difficult to balance perfectly for all 3 matchups. Even in BW pro league, we see maps being a major factor. So imagine trying to balance sc2 maps when the units themselves are undoing changes. | ||
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