EPTMr. Chae : Who do you expect to meet in winners match?
Polt : Oz
Mr. Chae : Why?
Polt : Because his protoss.
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Hiea
Denmark1538 Posts
Mr. Chae : Who do you expect to meet in winners match? Polt : Oz Mr. Chae : Why? Polt : Because his protoss. | ||
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Conreik
France51 Posts
On April 12 2012 02:02 S_SienZ wrote: Speaking as a T, I'd much rather the MU be more balanced throughout the various stages of the game rather than it's current one. It's quite sickening that most of the time you can correctly predict the winner of a TvP just by looking at the length of the replay. Then if it's true, they should nerf terran early game and nerf protoss late game. Even if I would like to hear some arguments about early game terran strength when they get murdered by 6 gate all ins. On April 12 2012 01:56 m0ck wrote: I know you're kidding, right? *about TvZ being balanced, that is TvZ seems balanced to me ! Late game is harder after the ghost patch but if you drop every-fucking-where, you can still kill the zerg. | ||
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jubil
United States2602 Posts
For tonight, I'm going out on a limb and predicting MMA won't make it out of the group. Squirtle will, and either Leenock or Nada can upset MMA. | ||
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hoivenmayven
United States134 Posts
Whole point of OP was that Parting played so freaking good that he made the matchup look imba. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
There was a thread not long ago about MU winrates at different periods of time in the game. Terran had 60-70% winrate in the midgame (around 10-15 minutes), and Protoss had the same lategame (20-30 minutes). The really interesting thing was that winrates converged to 50% each at 35 minutes plus, because then the underdeveloped super-lategame comes into play, with nukes and Ravens and the Protoss constantly switching between Colossus and HTs etc. | ||
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MilAgro
Germany102 Posts
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SkaPunk
United States471 Posts
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On April 12 2012 02:04 Hiea wrote: I believe Polt have commented on TvP balance in the Mr. Chae pre-game show Mr. Chae : Who do you expect to meet in winners match? Polt : Oz Mr. Chae : Why? Polt : Because his protoss. Because Polt sounded sooo serious in that interview >.> | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On April 12 2012 01:29 Waxangel wrote: MKP alone makes TvP look stupidly imba -_- buuuut he does lose to PartinG when the games go late ^_^; That depends on how you see it, regarding some people I've heard 3 marauders and 6 vikings can beat 18 zealots and 6 stalkers along with 8 HT's I believe. Haha! | ||
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Hiea
Denmark1538 Posts
On April 12 2012 02:18 HaXXspetten wrote: Because Polt sounded sooo serious in that interview >.> He did, and i'm also really serious about that post. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
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Gorlin
United States2753 Posts
On April 12 2012 01:21 Waxangel wrote: eh, Oz was a surprise, but PartinG is one of those single handedly makes a matchup look imba guy :O Agreed, there are possible hints of imbalance, but that's like saying TvZ is imbalanced because MMA always wins it. He's just really good at it, just like Parting is just really good at PvT. | ||
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Conreik
France51 Posts
On April 12 2012 02:17 SkaPunk wrote: I've been thinking about pvt for like the last 5 months, because one of my teammates cries about it constantly. I sort of think TvZ and the 1-1-1 is the reason terrans are bad at TvP. What I mean is in TvZ the game has become so standard and terrans are used to that, they aren't innovating a ton. In PvT we see new styles created QUITE frequently. Immo pressure, fast 3 base, fast storm, colo pressure into storm and storm into 3 base. Terrans on the other hand pretty much go gasless expand into 3 rax starport. In the midgame Terran attacks and protoss has to try to survive until the late game. Suddenly in the late game, T continues to try to kill the protoss, but the defensive adv + splash means protoss wins. I'd like to see a terran try to solve this problem by playing really aggressive like usual midgame, and then transition into extremely defensive planetary's everywhere type style and try to take the map slowly while the protoss has to be super aggressive. Or just anything, clearly Terrans are more content to complain and all in early than to innovate in the late game. Also the 1-1-1. They just stopped trying to do new stuff during the 3 or 4 months that it was dominate, other than the 2 rax reactor/tech lab. Terrans can keep banking on the EZ as hell early/mid game win and keep dying to the late game, or they can try to fix the late game problems. If you go hyper defensive when the toss got his deathball, you allow him to add countless number of gates and take countless amount of expansions and you just loose. Terrans learn in platinum that if they want to get in higher leagues, they need to put pressure at all costs. If you don't, the opponent remakes an army 10 times faster than you with larvaes/warp ins and you die. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
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Laplaces_imp
368 Posts
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SkaPunk
United States471 Posts
On April 12 2012 02:23 Conreik wrote: If you go hyper defensive when the toss got his deathball, you allow him to add countless number of gates and take countless amount of expansions and you just loose. Terrans learn in platinum that if they want to get in higher leagues, they need to put pressure at all costs. If you don't, the opponent remakes an army 10 times faster than you with larvaes/warp ins and you die. I mean mid game early late game yeah, I agree. But when you hide around PFs warp ins dont matter. You learn in platinum as a protoss that if you attack into a PF you lose. | ||
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Conreik
France51 Posts
On April 12 2012 02:28 SkaPunk wrote: I mean mid game early late game yeah, I agree. But when you hide around PFs warp ins dont matter. You learn in platinum as a protoss that if you attack into a PF you lose. Chargelotes murder PF way too fast, I don't see this strat working. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On April 12 2012 01:44 Olinim wrote: They don't really win these days either. MC is the only protoss who won a tournament in 2012. Every professional stat protoss is behind. Win rates, tounament wins, representation, so all terran is left to talk about is annecdotal single games and they go crazy when protoss win. In thier mind protoss is never supposed to win I think. | ||
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Flanq
United Kingdom2694 Posts
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On April 12 2012 02:24 SeaSwift wrote: Mods are allowed to comment on balance, remember the tree.hugger post after MC's 0-3 loss to Puma at IEM Cologne? Not really, I applogize then. Just seems like bad example is all for a place that does not toterate it. | ||
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