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In November of 2010, Nestea became the best Zerg player in the world. A year and two months later, his era has finally come to a close. Arguably, DRG had already been the better player for a few months – he was beating better opponents in a more convincing fashion, while Nestea was living off the benefit of the doubt. You could see that Nestea just wasn't the same. He didn't have the same sense of control over the game as he had before, and that his mechanics were just not as good as some of the newer players.
However, he had been such a storied champion, and such a loved one that we could not bear to see him go. We removed doubt from our minds, and prayed that he would come back the way we remembered him. He could not have stepped down peacefully, not even if he had tried. We wouldn't have let him.
Perhaps it was his final act of benevolence unto his Zerg subjects, that Nestea invited DongRaeGu into his group. Times had changed, and Zerg needed a new hero – one not weary from over a decade of fighting, one who had yet to feel the first touch of complacency – to carry it forward. But Zerg demanded that its champion be chosen through a trial by blood...
DongRaeGu, take your crown.
Holy shit, i got goosebumps while reading this.. so true.
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On February 10 2012 08:40 doerrman wrote:
Genius was doomed after his failed all-in timing,
Nestea opened up with a 6-pool build ..........................
i swear this anti toss sort of jargon has been going on for so long... its sickening to see even the community against toss, on top of blizzard and everyone else. Would be nice to see someone call a 6 pool cheesy and all in, but you dont hear that for some reason... you only hear that a 2 base toss is doing a "all-in" "timing" "cheese".. I've noticed this for a long time, and only a few good castors and players dont have this bias *cough* tastosis *cough* .. your opinion is great an all, but keep it to yourself when you're writing articles for the whole community, this subtle trolling is driving ppl away from articles like this.
You still follow that.
I disregard all that TL does about balance, balance talk, and what the biasness is.
I am a protoss player as well.
6 months ago all of TL was 'AMG PROTOSS UP', now its mixed between 'AMG TVP IS BROKEN' and 'AMG ZVP IS BROKEN'. Moderators no longer seem to care about balance issues, and yes, the biasness from certain articles about 'cheese' or 'good play' is always off (esp love that people say all the buffs toss got caused this, LOL)
That said, TL is still the best, just take out the biasness when your reading something and pretend its not there.
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On February 10 2012 07:19 THM wrote:
I'm still sad Foxer didn't make it through :S
Yeah but the RO8 is so unbelievably amazing right now I can understand that our saviour the king of marines wanted to sacrifice himself for the betterment of an even more stacked RO8.
Fuck there's just SO MUCH amazingness going on there right now. Can't believe Slayers and MVP both have 2 players in the RO8, one on each side of the bracket. That's a story that has the potential to get REAL interesting in and of itself in the RO4 What with their GSTL meetings. Though I think it's likely that MC will take out Genius... and Puzzle's got his work cut out for him kind of too but not as bad as Genius does.
Pretty sick that we have that interview just yesterday of Parting saying he wants to show the world his PvZ and prove himself the best. Looks like he got his wish... That's gonna be one HELL of a match.
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Nooooooooo Nestea and MKP out. D'''=
This is seriously the worst day ever. 
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David Kim said they were going to give Toss a more generic Buff coming up...
...I wonder if protoss new performance in the GSL would remove that consideration.
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"Genius was doomed after his failed all-in timing,"
"Nestea opened up with a 6-pool build" ..........................
i swear this anti toss sort of jargon has been going on for so long... its sickening to see even the community against toss, on top of blizzard and everyone else. Would be nice to see someone call a 6 pool cheesy and all in, but you dont hear that for some reason... you only hear that a 2 base toss is doing a "all-in" "timing" "cheese".. I've noticed this for a long time, and only a few good castors and players dont have this bias *cough* tastosis *cough* .. your opinion is great an all, but keep it to yourself when you're writing articles for the whole community, this subtle trolling is driving ppl away from articles like this.
"and he was eventually able to overpower Nestea and take the game." --> subtle trolling at its best, love the OP reference.
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As a viewer primarily and not a player, I find the term all-in is probably getting more and more confusing. From my perspective all-ins seem to work like this:
- Terran: anything with more than 5 scvs
- Protoss: any attack before taking a 3rd base
- Zerg: 1 base roach timing
How people called it a year ago:
- Terran: attacking with all your units
- Protoss: attacking with all your units
- Zerg: anything on 1 base
So I must say, the term all-in is becoming far too confusing from a viewer's point of view since "transitions" are something any player can do nowdays out of any build. Sure, it might put them behind, but behind back in 1-base-play days and behind in macro games is actually quite different it appears.
Basically: I'd really just like to see the term "all-in" not used by casters or writers. "Attack that needs to do damage else they fall behind" isn't as catchy, but it's far more accurate.
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On February 10 2012 08:47 neoghaleon55 wrote:
David Kim said they were going to give Toss a more generic Buff coming up...
...I wonder if protoss new performance in the GSL would remove that consideration.
We are performing as equal as other races because we are playing better honestly. Not a single buff (or nerf like the ghost one) caused what is currently happening. Each race has its own issues still, and buffs/nerfs will still happen. This season wont affect what blizzard will do, if anything it'll delay a balance patch as they let it unfold more.
MC is winning, and people are crying imba, just like they did last time. This year, the better player has won every single game, balance has not been an issue once. I will admit each race has its own issues and imbalances, but the games weren't decided by that. There are more protoss players now frankly because the protoss players played better and deserve to be there.
That said. I hope to god Blizzard doesn't delay any patch with possible buffs/nerfs for any of the races (protoss here). I like when the game changes, even if its not in my favor, the metagame changes/etc make the seasons past by better. I really love how Blizzard is influencing the game though. The forge upgrade costs meant shit (like litterally a 2/2 timing push would have 1 more unit), but it made protoss realize the playstyle and change the game completely. Shit like that is so good for this game, slight tweaks to tell us where to go/etc at times.
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Community is always against Toss. So much bias against them. Even these foreign casters are biased against Toss.
They bash MC saying "lolz sticking to gateway unitz" when 90% of Terrans have been beating Protoss using.. RAX UNITS. But no it's a "bio ball" and is definitely not an all in. Only bitbybit got scrutinized for his all ins, but months and months later we get players like MVP doing the same thing and it's called "tactical".
I think the only way the community will acknowledge a Toss player not doing a "timing" attack is if the opponent is fully ready for it. I've seen games where MC attacks 20 min in and the opponent already established a third and it was still bashed as a "timing/all-in" attack.
The only reason Terrans are not dominating is because they stopped using 1/1/1s and their Ghost cheese-timings tactical pushes got figured out. Oh because a charge upgrade (higher tech) can no longer be stopped by a marauder slow (t1 upgrade).
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I still don't agree that DRG is best zerg, nestea basically lost that last game himself
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Sad that MKP didn't make it through, but happy that there is at least one Zerg in the playoffs.
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On February 10 2012 08:39 ohampatu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 08:31 Falconblade wrote:On February 10 2012 08:20 ohampatu wrote:On February 10 2012 08:17 RaE21 wrote:
If all goes well, we're going to have another MMA vs. DRG finals (which would be amazing). Its just awesome that a new generation of Boxer vs. Yellow is starting to emerge!! DRG vs MMA would be epic. But i just dont think its gonna happen. MMA just wont beat MC, MC is in the zone and is just destroying. MMA simply can't stand up to MC's protoss play. DRG vs MC will be just as epic imo MMA vs. MC should be closer than you guys suppose. MC doesn't play late game Protoss which is what MMA struggles with. Both of them have good micro, and early mid game favors terran to Toss. Also, some bloke suggested that MC has a winning record against MMA. That's blatantly untrue. Its 4-1 in favor of MMA, with the one loss being last January. They haven't played much, but MMA has all four of their last meetings. I love how people still say MC's macrogame isn't great. MC is the best macro toss, he just gets tired of playing and decides to go kill you. I wasn't for sure the MC vs MMA nubmers, looked it up, all i can find is MMA is up 2-1. They played in November, and then before that in March, so yea its uncontested. But MMA loses to Protoss who are far worse than MC. MC sweeps him, just like he has done this entire Code S.
If it's still uncontested you're claiming MC sweeps MMA? I'd rather say that it'll be closer. MMA is still a damn good player and has an over 51% in TvP, so he's not that terrible at it. MMA stomps Zerg and Terran, and it's often far closer vs. P. Still doesn't mean MC will sweep him.
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8 protoss go in.
4 are in round of 8.
awesome...
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On February 10 2012 09:01 power-overwhelming wrote:
Community is always against Toss. So much bias against them. Even these foreign casters are biased against Toss.
They bash MC saying "lolz sticking to gateway unitz" when 90% of Terrans have been beating Protoss using.. RAX UNITS. But no it's a "bio ball" and is definitely not an all in. Only bitbybit got scrutinized for his all ins, but months and months later we get players like MVP doing the same thing and it's called "tactical".
I think the only way the community will acknowledge a Toss player not doing a "timing" attack is if the opponent is fully ready for it. I've seen games where MC attacks 20 min in and the opponent already established a third and it was still bashed as a "timing/all-in" attack.
The only reason Terrans are not dominating is because they stopped using 1/1/1s and their Ghost cheese-timings tactical pushes got figured out. Oh because a charge upgrade (higher tech) can no longer be stopped by a marauder slow (t1 upgrade).
I don't think the term "timing attack" is derogatory at all. It's just a strong attack at a point in time where your army is strong, and is supposed to do some damage to an opponent- in no way considered is it considered to be cheese. "All in" is completely different, though.
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On February 10 2012 09:31 Zato-1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 09:01 power-overwhelming wrote:
Community is always against Toss. So much bias against them. Even these foreign casters are biased against Toss.
They bash MC saying "lolz sticking to gateway unitz" when 90% of Terrans have been beating Protoss using.. RAX UNITS. But no it's a "bio ball" and is definitely not an all in. Only bitbybit got scrutinized for his all ins, but months and months later we get players like MVP doing the same thing and it's called "tactical".
I think the only way the community will acknowledge a Toss player not doing a "timing" attack is if the opponent is fully ready for it. I've seen games where MC attacks 20 min in and the opponent already established a third and it was still bashed as a "timing/all-in" attack.
The only reason Terrans are not dominating is because they stopped using 1/1/1s and their Ghost cheese-timings tactical pushes got figured out. Oh because a charge upgrade (higher tech) can no longer be stopped by a marauder slow (t1 upgrade). I don't think the term "timing attack" is derogatory at all. It's just a strong attack at a point in time where your army is strong, and is supposed to do some damage to an opponent- in no way considered is it considered to be cheese. "All in" is completely different, though.
Well the word "timing attack" is kind of overused anyway..
Attacking when some upgrade is about to finish regardless of the game time can be called a "timing" nowadays..
Not to give Toss a bad name (I'm a Toss player).. but these Protosses are great and they deserve to be in Ro8
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOL at claiming that drg takes nesteas place
Drg got a crazy lucky break in that zvz, an ultra-mili-super-duper inch from being murdered by nestea.
If nestea had won that game it would have been the other way around.
Nestea has 3 GSLs, winning by such a close call does not change that, fucks sake
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On February 10 2012 09:51 Cigar wrote:
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL at claiming that drg takes nesteas place
Drg got a crazy lucky break in that zvz, an ultra-mili-super-duper inch from being murdered by nestea.
If nestea had won that game it would have been the other way around.
Nestea has 3 GSLs, winning by such a close call does not change that, fucks sake
Fanboys like you are sad, read the rest of the article in an objective manner before posting here
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It is derogatory because it implies whatever success the player achieved with that attack is because of said timing and nothing else. The community has also separate timing attack from standard play. They seem to be under the impression that a standard Protoss play has to have 3 bases, or it has to be past 25 min mark. If MC thinks he can finish the game in under 10 mins why wouldn't he? People had no qualms when MMA proxy thord Naniwa in blizzcup or when MVP marine tank all ined MC at MLG 3 times.
Watch, in RO8 MMA will proxy whatever building Terran can proxy and it will be called a tactical move. This bias is ridiculous and the only way around it is to just pretend it's not there.
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When I look at the brackets, I think:
If Gumiho beats Puzzle, I cant see Gumiho winning ro4 against either DRG or Parting. I think Gumiho will not make it to the final.
If Puzzle beats Gumiho then Puzzle can not win against any of the other protosses. Puzzle needs DRG to beat parting to have a chance of reaching the final. Puzzle also needs Alive/MMA to beat MC/Genius to have any chance of winning the GSL.
If Parting beats DRG then Parting will get to the final as he should beat Gumiho or Puzzle. Parting is unlikely to beat MC in the final, so he needs Alive/MMA to beat MC in the ro4.
DRG has a hard ro8 match vs Parting. DRG should easily beat Gumiho in ro4, but might struggle vs Puzzle as Puzzle has a very good PvZ record. DRG would have a very hard time in the final vs MMA or Genius and I doubt DRG has much chance at all vs MC. DRG really wants Alive to make it to the finals.
Genius will almost certainly lose to MC in ro8. Alive and MMA are also not good opponents for Genius in ro4. I cant see Genius making it to the final.
MC should beat Genius. MC would be heavily favoured in the final against Puzzle, Parting or DRG (Gumiho shouldnt make it to the final). MC will have a hard ro4 vs Alive or MMA.
MMA and Alive have a really hard ro8 match. They should be favoured vs MC in the ro4. They would have a hard time in the final against Puzzle or Parting, but a slightly easier time vs DRG.
Overall I think MC has the easiest route to the GSL title.
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On February 10 2012 07:26 A Wet Shamwow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:25 neoghaleon55 wrote:On February 10 2012 07:25 devPLEASE wrote:
So is MMA replacing Mvp and is DRG replacing NesTea? If so, who will replace MC? Hopefully, Genius  Nah Parting will
I like Genius the most out of the current crop. A lot of toss including Parting play too greedy. (well except maybe MC since most of his games are 6-gates) I don't know whether they are truly comfortable playing greedy or simply gambling, but it just doesn't look as solid as Genius' play. Genius' safe play and incredible map awareness (plus insta-reactions) impress me than any other tosses blindly opening with nexus first or getting a 3rd with less than 10 units.
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