EPThttp://www.own3d.tv/FXOpenesports#/watch/368506
Starts at 44:00
Parting's going down, man.
[Code S] RO16, Final Day - By the Numbers - Page 5
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
http://www.own3d.tv/FXOpenesports#/watch/368506 Starts at 44:00 Parting's going down, man. | ||
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wklbishop
United States1286 Posts
On February 10 2012 07:23 neoghaleon55 wrote: To dissect these games Game 1 seemed like a build order loss for DRG, the spire came before the +1 roach attack Game 2 was a battle of mechanics, many many roach infestor skirmishes, all of which DRG won. Game 3 was a battle of decision making, Nestea made a great decision to double all-in that worked, DRG countered with an infestor 3rd snipe that worked, Nestea did an infestor split that didn't work. DRG then made the decision to just go #%^king kill nestea, which worked. Each player made very crucial insanely clutch decisions in that game. DRG just came out on top overall that night. Regarding the last game. DRG's counter was suppose to have been countered by Nestea's decision to leave an Overseer, but he just didn't react to stop the Infestors as evidenced by him just not pulling his drones for quite a bit until the infested started popping out everywhere. That's the main reason why I feel like Nestea's decision making was better, but his execution was sloppy. That said, there were multiple points in the game where Nestea was ahead, but he fucked up executing things. And I'm not saying he had perfect decision making either, far from it by the instance you pointed out, I still feel like he was smart overall though. Of course, I'm not saying his decision making was better than DRG's, just that it's good because it was because of his decision-making that he got those leads in the first place. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On February 10 2012 08:01 badeanden wrote: I don't think DRG is able to beat MMA if they meet in the final. I think DRG will get to the finals, but the only way he can win is if MC beat MMA in the semi-finals. DRG is very good, but i feel MMA is just a tiny bit better. You are correct. MMA seems to have DRG's number, although that could change with some confidence boosters in DRG's direction. He has always been the '2nd best' to MMA (remember that old drg vs mma story thread). I think its a mental block, not because MMA is better. Also, MMA wont beat MC. MC has a winning record vs MMA im pretty sure. MC vs DRG could be one of the best finals we have ever seen. Either way, MC, MMA, and DRG are just owning right now. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On February 10 2012 07:59 neoghaleon55 wrote: DRG vs MC Blizzcup2011 DRG vs Hero Blizzcup 2011 DRG vs Squirtle KSL 2012 DRG vs PARTING KSL 2012 Do not doubt the Dong! Ok, you make a strong point. Nestea's ZvP record stems from how amazingly dominant he was earlier in 2011, but it really seems like he's lost many recent games. I'm not quite convinced though. I'll have to see how DRG does against Parting, and how Nestea does against any Protoss he might encounter in Code A. But I know you're one of the biggest DRG fans out there so I understand your eagerness  | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On February 10 2012 07:34 Vorenius wrote: I think it's very stupid to make it out as if Nestea is dead and gone. He's ZvT looks immensely improved and his ZvZ is still one of the two best in the world. The games against Genius, looked mostly like Genius simply exploiting the meta game better. Zergs seem intend to make mutas in ZvP no matter what these days, so Genius had practised a ton of phoenix play. Nestea wasn't prepared so he lost. Nestea and DRG have the best ZvZ by some margin and the games today could have gone either way. A miniscule difference in the third game might have meant it was Nestea going through 2-0 and not DRG. Of course should've, would've could've. Nestea didn't win and DRG did. I still think it's a bad background on which to declare Nestea a has-been. He's not a has been, and I say that despite saying 2 or 3 months ago that he was a has been ^^ Since then he beat MVP and made it past some pretty hard ro32 groups. He's just not the king anymore. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On February 10 2012 08:06 HolyArrow wrote: Ok, you make a strong point. Nestea's ZvP record stems from how amazingly dominant he was earlier in 2011, but it really seems like he's lost many recent games. I'm not quite convinced though. I'll have to see how DRG does against Parting, and how Nestea does against any Protoss he might encounter in Code A. But I know you're one of the biggest DRG fans out there so I understand your eagerness DRG is considered better because Nestea has somehow remained 'untried' in the realms of ZvP. Nestea has not had to play near as many top protoss as DRG in recent times. Essentially you have people looking at DRG's good zvp stats for last 3 months, and comparing that to Nestea vs Naniwa. I think alot of people are only really thinking of Nestea vs Naniwa when they think of his vs P. And somehow, Nestea has remained 'top zerg' for soo long without Protoss being in GSL lol. Its only common that DRG is better, because DRG has played better opponents, and beat better opponents. That said. I dont think Nestea is done just yet. Remember, he beat MVP this year, which is like a first for a BOx. | ||
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6BiT
513 Posts
EDIT: I will say I think DRG is playing better at the moment and has been in recent times, but still has a test to pass, a mountain to climb, before his coronation. And for those calling out 'best in the world 2012' way too early, too little time to show consistency and any of these players could advance or get knocked out. If some of these guys (players in the ro8 this season) are there in the r08 next season then it could be time to start talking. (and I say if because wow at how stacked the GSL is nowdays) | ||
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RaE21
United States260 Posts
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On February 10 2012 08:06 HolyArrow wrote: Ok, you make a strong point. Nestea's ZvP record stems from how amazingly dominant he was earlier in 2011, but it really seems like he's lost many recent games. I'm not quite convinced though. I'll have to see how DRG does against Parting, and how Nestea does against any Protoss he might encounter in Code A. But I know you're one of the biggest DRG fans out there so I understand your eagerness I died as a Nestea fan the day Nestea v. Huk GSL November R16. Since then, Nestea hasn't won a single game versus any formidable protoss....that dumb game against Naniwa doesn't count! And you aren't kidding about me being a DRG fanboy... I practically run DRG's fanclub these days. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On February 10 2012 08:17 RaE21 wrote: If all goes well, we're going to have another MMA vs. DRG finals (which would be amazing). Its just awesome that a new generation of Boxer vs. Yellow is starting to emerge!! DRG vs MMA would be epic. But i just dont think its gonna happen. MMA just wont beat MC, MC is in the zone and is just destroying. MMA simply can't stand up to MC's protoss play. DRG vs MC will be just as epic imo | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On February 10 2012 08:17 6BiT wrote: DRG taking NesTea's Crown: I don't agree... That was a really close set of games (oh my they were awesome). If DRG wins the GSL this season then I'd say the zerg crown is his. NesTea is still an amazing player, and you have to be confident he will make it back into Code S next season. As long as he is a Code S player DRG really needs a GSL title to be worthy of being called the king of zerg. And for those calling out 'best in the world 2012' way too early, too little time to show consistency and any of these players could advance or get knocked out. If some of these guys (players in the ro8 this season) are there in the r08 next season then it could be time to start talking. (and I say if because wow at how stacked the GSL is nowdays) I think you are not taking everything into context. If you consider GSL alone, then yes DRG hasn't had much wins...but considering how much destruction DRG has left in the Korean scene as of late, you really have to reconsider this stance. Ever since MLG Providence, the Blizzcup, through the KSL, the KingofKong and now through two very tough groups in 2012 GSL Season 1, DRG's been on fire. That's pretty damn consistent for the last 3-4 months. | ||
Waxangel
United States33581 Posts
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On February 10 2012 08:28 Waxangel wrote: dunno, maybe DRG's revolutionary forces need to conduct a purge of the Nestea loyalists. The Zerg kingdom needs order! Umm...CHARGE!!!! | ||
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CeriseCherries
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Falconblade
United States1035 Posts
On February 10 2012 08:20 ohampatu wrote: DRG vs MMA would be epic. But i just dont think its gonna happen. MMA just wont beat MC, MC is in the zone and is just destroying. MMA simply can't stand up to MC's protoss play. DRG vs MC will be just as epic imo MMA vs. MC should be closer than you guys suppose. MC doesn't play late game Protoss which is what MMA struggles with. Both of them have good micro, and early mid game favors terran to Toss. Also, some bloke suggested that MC has a winning record against MMA. That's blatantly untrue. Its 4-1 in favor of MMA, with the one loss being last January. They haven't played much, but MMA has all four of their last meetings. | ||
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Nethermind
New Zealand445 Posts
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Falconblade
United States1035 Posts
On February 10 2012 08:31 Nethermind wrote: Would have to be the best Ro16 yet. Yeah, it was brilliant. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On February 10 2012 08:31 Falconblade wrote: MMA vs. MC should be closer than you guys suppose. MC doesn't play late game Protoss which is what MMA struggles with. Both of them have good micro, and early mid game favors terran to Toss. Also, some bloke suggested that MC has a winning record against MMA. That's blatantly untrue. Its 4-1 in favor of MMA, with the one loss being last January. They haven't played much, but MMA has all four of their last meetings. I love how people still say MC's macrogame isn't great. MC is the best macro toss, he just gets tired of playing and decides to go kill you. I wasn't for sure the MC vs MMA nubmers, looked it up, all i can find is MMA is up 2-1. They played in November, and then before that in March, so yea its uncontested. But MMA loses to Protoss who are far worse than MC. MC sweeps him, just like he has done this entire Code S. | ||
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doerrman
United States11 Posts
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TBA
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