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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 22:24:23
February 09 2012 22:23 GMT
#61
On February 10 2012 07:15 Zato-1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 07:04 wklbishop wrote:
However, he had been such a storied champion, and such a loved one that we could not bear to see him go. We removed doubt from our minds, and prayed that he would come back the way we remembered him. He could not have stepped down peacefully, not even if he had tried. We wouldn't have let him


I don't get why you guys write this when you were basically digging his grave in Ro32. That said, Nestea's decision making is still amazing in his game against DRG, but his mechanics and execution is just lacking which is just sad...

It's almost like watching Boxer in a way where he just wins with smart play, but falters in the fundamentals of the game.

Weird that you'd say this when he lost the final game against DRG as a direct consequence of bad decision making, sending all of his infestors off to harass while leaving his Roaches hanging out in the middle of the map where they were chain-fungaled and easily overpowered.


To dissect these games

Game 1 seemed like a build order loss for DRG, the spire came before the +1 roach attack
Game 2 was a battle of mechanics, many many roach infestor skirmishes, all of which DRG won.
Game 3 was a battle of decision making, Nestea made a great decision to double all-in that worked, DRG countered with an infestor 3rd snipe that worked, Nestea did an infestor split that didn't work. DRG then made the decision to just go #%^king kill nestea, which worked. Each player made very crucial insanely clutch decisions in that game. DRG just came out on top overall that night.
moo...for DRG
devPLEASE
Profile Joined March 2011
Kenya605 Posts
February 09 2012 22:25 GMT
#62
So is MMA replacing Mvp and is DRG replacing NesTea? If so, who will replace MC?
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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
February 09 2012 22:25 GMT
#63
On February 10 2012 07:25 devPLEASE wrote:
So is MMA replacing Mvp and is DRG replacing NesTea? If so, who will replace MC?


Hopefully, Genius
moo...for DRG
TheRealPaciFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1049 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 22:26:55
February 09 2012 22:26 GMT
#64
After I read the description of game 3 between DRG and Nestea, I was thinking "Alright, I've had enough! I've read about so many cool games, I want to be able to watch them for myself." So I went to the GOM website hoping to find some sort of subscription I could afford that would let me watch the occasional replay every now and then... and then I saw the prices... and my jaw dropped. =(

Anyway - another DRG MMA final would be amazing. <3 Slayers <3

Also, I'm sure we'll see MKP returning with a vengeance in the future
Second favorite strategy game of all time: Starcraft. First: Go (aka Wei Qi, Paduk, or Igo)
A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
February 09 2012 22:26 GMT
#65
On February 10 2012 07:25 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 07:25 devPLEASE wrote:
So is MMA replacing Mvp and is DRG replacing NesTea? If so, who will replace MC?


Hopefully, Genius

Nah Parting will
“Life is a gamble, at terrible odds. If it were a bet you wouldn’t take it.”
SonOfBoxer
Profile Joined December 2011
Korea (South)62 Posts
February 09 2012 22:30 GMT
#66
Finally we see Protoss able to do something. It was about time, for Tassadar's Sake!
No Pain, No Gain.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
February 09 2012 22:32 GMT
#67
On February 10 2012 07:25 devPLEASE wrote:
So is MMA replacing Mvp and is DRG replacing NesTea? If so, who will replace MC?


MC has already died. The President is dead, but he has returned.

Long live the President.
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
February 09 2012 22:34 GMT
#68
I think it's very stupid to make it out as if Nestea is dead and gone. He's ZvT looks immensely improved and his ZvZ is still one of the two best in the world.

The games against Genius, looked mostly like Genius simply exploiting the meta game better. Zergs seem intend to make mutas in ZvP no matter what these days, so Genius had practised a ton of phoenix play. Nestea wasn't prepared so he lost.

Nestea and DRG have the best ZvZ by some margin and the games today could have gone either way. A miniscule difference in the third game might have meant it was Nestea going through 2-0 and not DRG. Of course should've, would've could've. Nestea didn't win and DRG did. I still think it's a bad background on which to declare Nestea a has-been.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
February 09 2012 22:36 GMT
#69
On February 10 2012 07:34 Vorenius wrote:
I think it's very stupid to make it out as if Nestea is dead and gone. He's ZvT looks immensely improved and his ZvZ is still one of the two best in the world.

The games against Genius, looked mostly like Genius simply exploiting the meta game better. Zergs seem intend to make mutas in ZvP no matter what these days, so Genius had practised a ton of phoenix play. Nestea wasn't prepared so he lost.

Nestea and DRG have the best ZvZ by some margin and the games today could have gone either way. A miniscule difference in the third game might have meant it was Nestea going through 2-0 and not DRG. Of course should've, would've could've. Nestea didn't win and DRG did. I still think it's a bad background on which to declare Nestea a has-been.


No no no.
Nobody is saying Nestea is a has-been.
He's still good, he's just no longer the zerg king.

moo...for DRG
Big2Fonz
Profile Joined March 2011
United States19 Posts
February 09 2012 22:36 GMT
#70
noooooo i hate genius . Idc what u say about drg, nestea will always be in my heart!!!!! gogo nestea and mvp
i fap to tossgirl
Greggle
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1131 Posts
February 09 2012 22:37 GMT
#71
I don't think we're calling Nestea a has-been, but I think it's pretty clear his time on the throne has come to an end. His last big win was half a year ago.
Life is too short to take it seriously.
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
February 09 2012 22:41 GMT
#72
On February 10 2012 07:37 Greggle wrote:
I don't think we're calling Nestea a has-been, but I think it's pretty clear his time on the throne has come to an end. His last big win was half a year ago.


That and he ALWAYS had the easiest roads to the finals. Now that Code S is stacked, don't expect to ever see him get back there.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 09 2012 22:41 GMT
#73
I hope 10 years from now we look back on MMA-DRG as fondly as we look back on Boxer-Yellow.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
February 09 2012 22:50 GMT
#74
On February 10 2012 07:41 Bagration wrote:
I hope 10 years from now we look back on MMA-DRG as fondly as we look back on Boxer-Yellow.


Except this time Yellow2.0 (DRG) will win!

moo...for DRG
A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
February 09 2012 22:50 GMT
#75
On February 10 2012 07:32 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 07:25 devPLEASE wrote:
So is MMA replacing Mvp and is DRG replacing NesTea? If so, who will replace MC?


MC has already died. The President is dead, but he has returned.

Long live the President.

Parting will storm him so that he is down for sure this time.
“Life is a gamble, at terrible odds. If it were a bet you wouldn’t take it.”
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 22:55:53
February 09 2012 22:54 GMT
#76
Can we please stop saying 'best so and so of 2012'.

You guys do realize that its February. I dont disagree that it's MMA for Terran, DRG for Zerg, and MC for Protoss. But please stop calling them the presidents of 2012 for their respective races. 2012 just began. Keep it simple, they are simply the best players of their respected races at this point in time. You can't call them best of 2012 when we haven't had one gsl season in 2012 finished yet. I've never understood why you put timelines on players when speaking about them in 'current time'.

It would be more accurate to say, MVP was the terran of 2011, while MMA is the terran of now. The terran of 2012 is yet undecided.



edit: also, MC is the only president, nuff said
I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
February 09 2012 22:54 GMT
#77
On February 10 2012 07:50 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 07:32 SeaSwift wrote:
On February 10 2012 07:25 devPLEASE wrote:
So is MMA replacing Mvp and is DRG replacing NesTea? If so, who will replace MC?


MC has already died. The President is dead, but he has returned.

Long live the President.

Parting will storm him so that he is down for sure this time.


Secret Service will escort Parting out of the room first before that happens.
hahaha
moo...for DRG
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
February 09 2012 22:55 GMT
#78
How exactly does DRG have better ZvP than Nestea? I don't dispute his pretty apparent superiority in ZvT, but what examples are there that well illustrate the ZvP case?
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
February 09 2012 22:59 GMT
#79
On February 10 2012 07:55 HolyArrow wrote:
How exactly does DRG have better ZvP than Nestea? I don't dispute his pretty apparent superiority in ZvT, but what examples are there that well illustrate the ZvP case?


DRG vs MC Blizzcup2011
DRG vs Hero Blizzcup 2011
DRG vs Squirtle KSL 2012
DRG vs PARTING KSL 2012

Do not doubt the Dong!
moo...for DRG
badeanden
Profile Joined December 2011
Norway56 Posts
February 09 2012 23:01 GMT
#80
I don't think DRG is able to beat MMA if they meet in the final. I think DRG will get to the finals, but the only way he can win is if MC beat MMA in the semi-finals. DRG is very good, but i feel MMA is just a tiny bit better.
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