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December 12th, 2011 23:14 GMT
  • Blizzard Cup on Liquipedia
  • Day One in Review
  • Group B Preview

Day One in Review


By: WaxAngel

After going less than .500 on predictions for Group A, I've imposed a self-ban on predictions. In additional penance, I've consigned myself to writing the Group A recap, so I can further remind myself about how wrong I was.


As always, make sure to have your handy Liquipedia results and standings ready before plunging into this recap!

Spoilerific Short Match Recaps


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1. Mvp > MC: Comical game where MC tried to do a one base blink all-in with an Observer to blink up into Mvp's main. He then proceeded to let a scouting SCV into his main at some absurdly late minute mark and discover his build, and later he managed to lose his crucial Observer to a scan.

Rating: Kinda good, in a comical, disastrous way. Like, not quite "Fast and the Furious level," but better than "Miss Congeniality."


2. Stephano > HerO: Stephano showed an impressive defense against HerO's predictable +1, four-gate pressure after forge expanding, and followed it up with solid macro and waves of +1, speed Roaches. Stephano managed to hit just before HerO could really secure three bases and start production in earnest, and wiped him out by sending endless Roach waves.

Rating: Worth it to see how Stephano did. If the player names were blanked out, a completely skippable game.


3. DRG > Mvp: I like to give Jinro s*** for his stubbornness in going mech, but I don't really think I have grounds to after I saw Mvp try to pull it off on diagonal positions on Tal'Darim Altar. Mvp did actually make a pretty good go of it, but DRG just used the mobility of roaches too well – counter attacking and cutting off reinforcements in the middle of the map until he had a big advantage.

Rating: Best game of the night. Good back and forth duel between two masters of the matchup.


4. MC > HerO: HerO tried to do a Nexus first build in PvP, died.

Rating: Disaster without enough mitigating comedy. "Twilight" level.


5. Stephano > DongRaeGu: A really great early game micro duel, as Stephano defended his hatch first build against DRG's one base ling-bane attacks. There were multiple tense moments in ling-bane vs ling-bane battles, where a fraction of a second made the difference. Stephano showed some really solid defensive micro to win this game.

Rating: I know people don't enjoy ZvZ that much, but the execution here was so good overall that I have to recommend it.


6. Mvp > HerO: Mvp scouted HerO doing a Nexus first build, and faked a Rax-CC build into the 3-Rax supply call-down rush. Mvp then proceeded to all-in marines and a ton of SCVs against HerO's probes + nothing.

Rating: Twilight loses all its remaining comedic value when you see it for the second time (like this joke).


7. MC > Stephano: MC tried to Forge FE on the wide-open Dual Sight, and Stephano countered with a Roach-Ling timing. Miraculously, MC's micro and sim-city were just good enough to fend off Stephano's attack, giving the President a clear advantage. The game actually ended up looking a lot closer than it should have been, but MC wore down Stephano in the end.

Rating: Worth it if you're looking for more data on the Forge FE vs early attacks dynamic on Dual Sight, but otherwise not much to see.


8. DRG > HerO: HerO went for a cannon-rush after spawning pool completed, tried to secure the watch tower with cannons, and let a warp-prism die to queens. Yeah.

Rating: Not much value in itself, but if you watch all of HerO's games in order you can experience the story of someone's mind breaking over the course of 90 minutes. Fascinating, in a kind of sadistic way.


9. MvP > Stephano: Mvp prepared a mid-game marine + blue flame hellion timing that completely gutted Stephano's 1/1 Zerglings into Infestors build. Gutted it so hard, that I'm afraid for the survival of the 'Stephano style' altogether.

Rating: Possibly history in the making, who knows? Won't hurt to check it out, just in case.


10. DRG > MC: After nine games of rather weird stuff, it was nice to end the night with some conventionally exciting ZvP. The game went back and forth, with twists and turns, tech switches, base trades, and all sorts of entertaining goodies.

Rating: Second best game of the night.


And now, some thoughts.

Stephano's Bittersweet Performance

In some ways, the result of Monday's games were worse than if Stephano had simply gone 0-4 and been eliminated convincingly. In that case, there would have been no excuses, no what-if's, just an undeniable conclusion.

Stephano gave us a taste of what he could do, going 2-2 while acquitting himself rather well against some of the best Korean players. It was time to move onto the main course, where a Best of Five against MMA, possibly Nestea, lay in wait.

However, a cruel technicality said that Stephano was out, and MC was in, due to their head to head record (MC beat Stephano) -- despite the fact that they both went 2-2 in the group. I blame the tie-break regulations, the order of the games, Mvp for not 4-0ing his group like he should have, and HerO for playing so poorly that 2-2 did not guarantee a top three finish. But rules are rules, even when they are cold and unpopular. Stephano would not be rewarded for his impressive Korean debut.*

As long as he remains a top foreigner, this is definitely not the last chapter in the story of Stephano vs the Koreans. For now, however, I can't help but feel that I lost something that I was owed. Well, here's to holding out until IdrA plays his up-down matches.


Stephano, again.

On the topic of Stephano, has Mvp single-handedly buried the Stephano style? By going for a Marine + blue flame Hellion composition during the mid-game (a sexy 9~10 minute timing) where well-upgraded Zerglings would otherwise be going for flanks and dominating map control, Mvp completely nullified Stephano's signature ZvT strategy. By the time Stephano had the Infestors to supplement his lings, he was already too far behind to recover.

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I don't know how Mvp can play without bursting into evil laughter.


It's hard to say what will happen in the future from just one game, but keep in mind that one game can definitely have a huge influence (off the top of my head, that time David Kim watched ThorZaIN play and thought 'ok, we're nerfing Thors'). If foreign Terrans can emulate this build and use it successfully against Stephano, then they owe Mvp their thanks.

Then again, maybe giving foreign Terrans a better chance against Stephano is the least Mvp could do for them. After all, Mvp's going to spend most of 2012 taking their money.


Being wrong hurts so bad.

After watching HerO play at MLG, DreamHack, and NASL, I was convinced. He could play his A game (or something fairly close to it) on any stage, no matter what kind of pressure he faced. Obviously, I was pretty goddamn wrong.

I'm not sure why I went against the trend I had seen over time, where simply being on the GSL stage froze the blood of players who had shown great results everywhere else. Hell, DongRaeGu can play great in the very same studio and booth, as long as they switch the GSL banner to GSTL. There's must be some ungodly amount of pressure there, which manages to turn Taeja's knees to jelly and makes HerO go Nexus first in PvP and cannon rush Zergs after the spawning pool is complete.

So the advice here is, don't go around betting that someone is too good to not break out on the GSL stage eventually. The difference between the shaky MC that went 1-9 in Proleague and confident the Boss-toss that won two GSLs is immense. So, no, just keep waiting until players actually show they have GSL nerves before we hype them up.



DRG: On his way to winning another special event, or headed to another GSL flop?

Though it was a little bit lost in the Stephano ranking business, DRG's victory over MC took him to 3-1 and 1st place in his group. Though most people expected Mvp, it wasn't that unlikely for DongRaeGu to take out IM's Terran ace and top the group. I mean, isn't he supposed to be the best ZvT player in the world or something? Mvp tried to mech DRG before at Anaheim, an DRG crushed it with great Roach maneuvering that time as well. Monday's game was pretty much par for the course.

The problem for DongRaeGu isn't the low pressure early rounds. It's that he's showing some early symptoms of an age old Starcraft malady. Starcraft history has taught us for one reason or another, there are players who just don't have much affinity with the proper, primary tournaments like GSL, OSL, MSL, while they have no problem raking in the cash at smaller, special event tournaments. The legendary Brood War player Yellow embodied this concept, winning five silver medals in proper competition, while only taking home the gold at a few 'all-star' game type competitions and invitational special events. While MKP is a more advanced case, DRG is showing symptoms as well (gold medals at LG cinema, IEM New York, and DreamHack Valencia; he must be averse to making money in chunks larger than $10,000).

This made me wonder, is the Blizzard Cup a "special event" or a proper GSL tournament? Given the fact that we gave the surprisingly weak World Championship a proper GSL treatment, one might think the Blizzard Cup should as well... But at least the World Championship had 16 players, and was played over a full month. The Blizzard cup is played in the span of less than week, and ends up being more reminiscent of "Arena of Legends III – A lot more money, thanks Blizzard" than anything we've seen that bore the GSL name.

Obviously, it will be the community consensus that give us the answer once it's all said and done. We'll watch the games, cheer for the players, and decide whether this one really had the full weight of the GSL behind it in the end. Alternatively, we could just base it on whether DRG wins or not.


MC, SuperStar

It's only fair to give everyone a mention, I guess? Well, blah, it's just that I feel incredibly weird talking about the guy lately. Every time I've seen him play recently, it's the same thing: much improved since three months ago, and much worse than nine months ago. That makes him a solid "just good" player, a position in which I'm just uncomfortable seeing him.

MC capitalized pretty well on HerO's risky Nexus first build, and he microed pretty well to defend against Stephano's Roach-Ling all-in. But he also flopped hard against Mvp, losing his crucial observer after going for a one base blink + robo build. To be fair, he looked pretty good against DRG, and you could say he played pretty evenly with one of the best Zerg players in the world in a narrow loss. But I couldn't help but think that the old MC would have won.

The MC I know is the super charismatic, super dominating, super arrogant juggernaut who won two GSLs. That, or he's the player doing so badly that I can just sleepwalk my way through a "player A is slumping blah blah write-up" without having to deal with the reality. Right now, he's definitely making an impact, just not in a way that conforms to my preferred version of ESPORTS reality. So until he reverts to one of those polar states, watching him play will always be an awkward experience.



*Actually, this is makes me think that the ESPORTS community should get a quarterly "F*** the rules" intervention clause. We all know rules are there to maintain order in an otherwise totally anarchic ESPORTS community, but sometimes well meaning rules backfire and cause more harm than good.

For instance, we could have invoked it in third quarter 2011 to say "No MLG, seeding iNcontrol into the championship bracket after he went 0-5 in the last tournament is not ESPORTS justice." Similarly, I think we can all agree that right thing to do in the Blizzard Cup was to allow Stephano to progress, and put him versus MMA in a best of eleven series in the next round.


Blizzard Cup - Group B Preview


By: Fionn


Rivalries and Redemption


When the two groups for the Blizzard Cup were put in front of me, my eyes directly focused on the latter of the two. No, no, not just because my favorite player, Polt, made it in with MVP's tyranny on the invitations, but also because of the match-ups we get to see in this group. Every match-up tells a little piece of a bigger story, so let's go a little bit more in-depth on the rivalries we will see in action on the second day of the Super Bowl of Starcraft 2.


The Blue Emperor vs. The Red Marauder

(T)MMA vs. (T)Polt


This rivalry began almost six months when MMA was becoming the ace of Slayers, leading them to back-to-back GSTL titles and achieving his conquest of America by taking home the MLG Columbus title. Polt, on the other hand, was in the shadow of his more successful, more popular teammate and friend, MarineKing, who had to face MMA in the semifinals of the $100,000 GSL Super Tournament. In the end, MMA beat MarineKing and went on to face Polt with all the momentum in the world on his side.

93% of TeamLiquid thought MMA was going to win. Korea thought MMA was going to win. I even read somewhere that the penguins of Antarctica put a big bet that MMA would roll over his opposition in the final. What occurred was the polar opposite of what people predicted: Polt destroyed MMA, people were stunned, and the Son of the Emperor had been pushed to the wayside.

Their rivalry would continue only two months later, facing one another in the round of sixteen of Code S August, MMA looking for revenge for the beating he took in the finals. Again, for the second time, MMA was defeated, dropping in a 2-1 set, getting tricked in the final game of the series, with Polt declining to do his usual bionic play and opting for a mech style that he isn't known to use. MMA faltered once more and his all-time record against Polt went to 1-6, getting knocked out of GSL twice by the same player.

They haven't faced one another since August and, since their last meeting, Polt and MMA have switched spots from where they were when they faced off in the Super Tournament. MMA, who was the Hero of Code A in the Super Tournament, is now solidly placed in Code S, having won his first GSL title at Blizzcon against MVP, and reaching another quarterfinals last tournament before losing a close series to Oz. Polt, who was the Pride of Code S, has fallen to Code A for the first time in almost a year and will be needing to get out of his upcoming Up-and-Down group if he wants to get back to where he once was.

When looking at these two players, I've always considered them as equals in terms of skill. While MMA has a world class TvZ, Polt's TvP has also been considered world class. Each player's strength is also his rival's weakness; MMA having his most trouble against Protoss and Polt saying he has a tougher time with Zerg. When it comes to TvT, MMA would look like he is the better of the two in the match-up, but when the two have faced off, Polt has gotten the upper hand. The Son of the Emperor is the flashier player; preferring stylistic builds with fast and quick drops to Polt's more solid, timing attack style, using the data he's collected from watching his opponent's games to find a weakness he can exploit in the early game to give him a quick victory or a strong lead moving into the end game.

For MMA, beating Polt would finally get the Super Tournament Finals out of his mind. He's beaten MVP in a final, defeated Nestea, and taken down MC, but he still hasn't been able to defeat Polt for whatever reason. For Polt, beating MMA again would be his chance to prove that he is still one of the better Terrans in the world; he might not be having the best results, but defeating the Emperor's Son would show that he is ready to make his comeback onto the world stage.

These two will face off in the final set of the group and could be the deciding factor between one of them making the second round or being eliminated. So, who will it be? The one clad in red or the one draped in blue? Whose side will you be on when they clash for the third time?


The Korean Zerg vs. The Foreign Protoss

(Z)NesTea vs. (P)NaNiwa


We all know what happened. Naniwa and Nestea faced off in the finals of the MLG Global Invitational; Nestea thought he was going to roll over Naniwa but lost in three games, and then swore revenge later on in the tournament. When they faced off for a second time in the actual tournament, the God of Zerg was ready to get his revenge on the Swedish Toss, but it didn't work out as planned. For the second time in less then three days, Naniwa took down Nestea in a best-of-three series and followed it up with the Awkward Thumbs Down Heard Around The World.

Have you ever seen a better ceremony? From the thumbs down to the stylistic strut, you couldn't ask for a more humiliating defeat for Nestea. Coming in, he was considered one of the favorites, and by weekend's end, he had been beaten three times by foreigners in a best-of-three series and wasn't even able to grab a top eight spot in the final standings. Add to that he was eliminated by another foreigner, Huk, in the Ro16 of Code S, Nestea hadn't been the dominating player that we've come to known.

Nestea has been better of late, getting back into Code S by crushing FXOasd, but he'll need to play up to his old standards if he wants to get far in this tournament. Coming into the third installment of this rivalry, Naniwa has all the confidence on his side. He was able to rock Nestea back in Providence and has the chance to land a knock out blow to the Korean in his home country.

The one thing you need to know about Nestea though is that he only cares about one tournament and one tournament only: GSL. You can mess with his online or foreign tournaments, but when you come into his studio and want to challenge him for a title he has won three times, you know you'll be getting the best of him. Time and time again, we've seen Nestea put team tournaments such as the GSTL on the back burner so he could focus solely on his main goal of winning another GSL championship.

Naniwa was able to take the first two series from Nestea on foreign soil, but now it's time for the task of beating the Professor in the studio that he has made his home for the past year and a half. If Naniwa can beat Nestea and qualify out of this difficult group, it will be the statement he needs going into his first Code S season in January.


Leenock vs. The World

(Z)Leenock


MMA-Polt and Naniwa-Nestea might be their own rivalries, so what does that leave for Leenock? Well, by looking at the players in the group, you could say that every single one is a rival to Leenock. Don't understand? Let's look at each opponent for the Prince of War one by one:

  • Naniwa - Less than a month ago, these two met in the finals of the MLG National Championship at Providence. Naniwa went for the same FFE build for what seemed like a thousand games in a row, Leenock rushed him nine hundred and ninety nine times in a row, and took the series due to the fact that Naniwa didn't adapt his play style at all in the finale of the tournament. Naniwa will be looking to prove that he has more builds up his sleeve than just that one, and he'll be looking to get revenge against Leenock who was the only player to defeat him that weekend.

  • MMA - The Son of Boxer came into Providence as one of the highest seeds in the tournament, looking to make it one of the best months of his life with his first GSL title under his belt. Leenock didn't like the sound of that and eliminated MMA from the tournament, beating him 2-1 and sending him home with two straight losses to him and DongRaeGu.

  • Polt - Leenock and Polt were in the same group for Code S November. Polt was able to take the first game against Leenock with a brilliant timing attack on Calm Before The Storm, but was unable to beat him for a second time in the final match of the group, instead being steamrolled by Leenock's swarm and being sent to Code A for the first time in a long, long while. Polt will be looking to get his revenge for being knocked out of Code S by Leenock.

  • Nestea - Do you think Nestea likes some people suggesting that Leenock might be becoming the best Zerg in the world? Hell no. Nestea will want to prove that he is still the King of Zerg in this tournament when he faces off against the young player from FXO. A win against Nestea in his best match-up on a big stage could be a gigantic step towards becoming not only the best Zerg in the world, but possibly the best player in the world as well in the future.


As you can see, Leenock is a marked man. He has eliminated three of his group mates from major tournaments in the past month and will want to prove to Nestea that he is just as good as he is. For a long time it was said that Leenock got the short end of the stick in a lot of his matches in the GSL. That he was given harder opponents than the rest and that is why it took him so long to be a force in Code S.

Now, with a MLG title and a GSL finals appearance in the past month, Leenock is no longer the unlucky player who is matched up against stronger opponents. Leenock is now the person that people feel unlucky to have drawn in their tournament group. He is one of the fastest rising stars in e-sports and this another opportunity to see how bright he can shine on the global stage.


Group B Predictions:

(Z)NesTea <Daybreak> (T)MMA

Winner: MMA
Reason: MMA has proven that he can beat Nestea multiple times. If Nestea plays as he has the past two months, MMA should win this.

(Z)Leenock <Bel'Shir Beach> (P)NaNiwa

Winner: Leenock
Reason: Naniwa will try to trick Leenock by going for a FFE. Sadly, somehow, someway, Leenock will see it coming, rush with roaches and end the match before it hits the ten-minute mark.

(Z)NesTea <Crossfire SE> (T)Polt

Winner: Nestea
Reason: Nestea is really, really good on this map. Polt will need to end this early to have any chance, but Nestea will be prepared, take it to a long macro game, and end it on his terms.

(T)MMA <Dual Sight> (Z)Leenock

Winner: MMA
Reason: Leenock's ZvT is out of this world good, and it might very well be the best in the world alongside DongRaeGu, but MMA is still the undisputed best TvZ'er in the universe. MMA beat Leenock in the group stages of last season's Code S, and Leenock beat MMA 2-1 at Providence, so this will be the rubber match. However this might end up, this is going to be a match you will want to see.

(P)NaNiwa <Tal'Darim Altar> (T)Polt

Winner: Polt
Reason: Have we forgotten that Polt doesn't lose against Protoss not named Killer in the GSL? If Naniwa can make it go long, he has a chance, but Polt will punish him in the early game and end it before it gets too long.

(Z)Leenock <Antiga Shipyard> (Z)NesTea

Winner: Nestea
Reason: This is the point of the group where Nestea smashes Leenock and then does a finger waggle ceremony in the both, saying, 'Not so fast, Leenock. I'm still the best Zerg in the world. Come back in a thousand years when I'm bored of winning.'

(P)NaNiwa <Calm Before the Storm> (T)MMA

Winner: Naniwa
Reason: I don't pick Slayers Terrans to beat Protoss. Sorry, MMA, it truly is a good predicting rule to live by.

(Z)Leenock <Shakuras Plateau> (T)Polt

Winner: Leenock
Reason: After watching Leenock and Polt's games from last season's GSL, I just don't think Polt matches up well with Leenock at all. For Polt to win, he'll need, just like against Nestea, a perfect timing attack in the early to mid-game before Leenock can macro up, but I don't think he'll be able to before the swarm surrounds him.

(P)NaNiwa <Antiga Shipyard> (Z)NesTea

Winner: Naniwa
Reason: I went back and forth on this one. In terms of skill, I still think Nestea is better, but sometimes in sports, some players just have another player's number, no matter how different they seem in skill. Also, if Naniwa wins, we might get another ceremony.

(T)MMA <Bel'Shir Beach> (T)Polt

Winner: Polt
Reason: ...Come on. Did you really think there was ever a chance I would pick MMA over Polt? Really? Come on now. Just like Naniwa and Nestea, Polt knows how to beat MMA and get in his head.

Let's see, and if you put all those predictions together, we would get...

Leenock: 2-2
Polt: 2-2
MMA: 2-2
Nestea: 2-2
Naniwa: 2-2


Oh.

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*Exits stage left*






Art by Fishuu



Writers: Fionn and WaxAngel
Graphics: Meko.
Editors: SirJolt and WaxAngel
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SirJolt
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
the Dagon Knight4003 Posts
December 12 2011 23:19 GMT
#2
Godspeed, sweet Polt!
Moderator@SirJolt
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
December 12 2011 23:21 GMT
#3
Rating: Not much value in itself, but if you watch all of HerO's games in order you can experience the story of someone's mind breaking over the course of 90 minutes. Fascinating, in a kind of sadistic way.

hahaha i laughed
ShadowGoliath
Profile Joined August 2011
United States44 Posts
December 12 2011 23:27 GMT
#4
Gogo MMA you can do it.
Veriol
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic502 Posts
December 12 2011 23:27 GMT
#5
You have to pay to watch vods or are they free?
I rly hate pay2watch vods. So annoying it makes me not to follow gsl/nasl.. since i cant be awake at 4 am to watch these
"When you play, you have to start off with a mind to turn the game into a rape." -iloveoov
Tamz
Profile Joined October 2011
United States28 Posts
December 12 2011 23:30 GMT
#6
nicely done
drgrofl
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada48 Posts
December 12 2011 23:30 GMT
#7
Naniwa walks like a faggot retrard.
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 23:33:45
December 12 2011 23:33 GMT
#8
Really excited to see MMA do well!
Not to mention Naniwa vs Nestea will be very good.
drgrofl
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada48 Posts
December 12 2011 23:33 GMT
#9
Don't forget naniwa called nestea an idiot for his play.
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
December 12 2011 23:36 GMT
#10
a 2-2 all way tie would be fucking amazing... there'd be a 3 hour long tiebreaker of tiebreakers going on. it'd be sick =D
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
December 12 2011 23:37 GMT
#11
Good read. Appreciate the humble attitude and the more sensible predictions
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
ArtThouAngry
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada146 Posts
December 12 2011 23:43 GMT
#12
I am so hoping for Polt to take 1st in this group.... I think if he were to do a fast tank push on crossfire, he could take Nestea, take advantage of tank positioning on that map early game?
IdrA, GoOdy, Axslav FIGHTING!!!!!!!
careohx
Profile Joined June 2011
263 Posts
December 12 2011 23:43 GMT
#13
"but MMA is still the undisputed best TvZ'er in the universe" I think Mvp disagrees.
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
December 12 2011 23:48 GMT
#14
Great Stuff Wax...although Hit HotBid plz, that interview on F Slasher was annoying..HIT HIM HARD!

Loved the Naniwa/DRG thing, was such a great moment...two great players having friendly banter/competition
🥇 Prediction Contest - Mess with the best, die like the rest.
soulist
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States932 Posts
December 12 2011 23:50 GMT
#15
Lol so if it really was all 2-2, how would the 3 that advance be decided?
Evil Geniuses<3
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
December 12 2011 23:50 GMT
#16
I really... REALLY wanna root for foreigners.... but both of our "top foreigners" are... just... so hard to root for...

Here I pray for an MC vs Nestea final.
A time to live.
masakenji
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia415 Posts
December 12 2011 23:53 GMT
#17
dammit!

Naniwa used to walk normal, till he took an arrow to the knee.
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
December 12 2011 23:55 GMT
#18
LOL AT CONCLUSION HAHAHA what a troll....

2-2
2-2
2-2
2-2
2-2

Bo. 11 tiebreakers?
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Ktk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)753 Posts
December 13 2011 00:01 GMT
#19
After going less than .500 on predictions for Group A, I've imposed a self-ban on predictions. In additional penance, I've consigned myself to writing the Group A recap, so I can further remind myself about how wrong I was.



Group B Predictions:
...


Haha.
Destroyr
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany299 Posts
December 13 2011 00:01 GMT
#20
I hope Nestea demolishes this troll naniwa... IT HAS TO BE DONE! In other perspective nice posting - i feel the same way in your observations of the group a matches...
Wildc4rd
Profile Joined June 2011
France19 Posts
December 13 2011 00:05 GMT
#21
Waow, excellent writing.
Analysis of day 1 is very good, and maximum hype for day 2 !!!
Can't wait !!!!!!!!!!!
fan of WhiteRa, Stephano, HerO
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
December 13 2011 00:10 GMT
#22
On December 13 2011 08:27 Veriol wrote:
You have to pay to watch vods or are they free?
I rly hate pay2watch vods. So annoying it makes me not to follow gsl/nasl.. since i cant be awake at 4 am to watch these


Pay, I can understand not wanting to pay for Nasl (I don't), but the Gsl pretty much has the best players/games in the world, I can't see why you wouldn't.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
December 13 2011 00:11 GMT
#23
Hahaha Fionn, we'd all love to see your 2-2 predictions come true

It's not entirely unlikely either, but on the flip side Polt hasn't looked good lately so predicting him to win anything is hard, even for those of us who actually like Polt's play =/ In his game vs ForGG Polt played terribly, and though some will put it down to ForGG's great play (which in part it is), Polt just looked like a shadow of his super self.

Leenock v Naniwa prediction made me laugh =D

But yeah, I expect a 3-1, 3-1, 2-2, 2-2, 0-4 again tonight unless Polt returns to his good old self. In which case, your 2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2 prediction is likely
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courtpanda
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
866 Posts
December 13 2011 00:17 GMT
#24
hypothetically, if the whole group does go 2-2, what's the tiebreak procedure? replay the whole group?
courtpanda
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
866 Posts
December 13 2011 00:19 GMT
#25
On December 13 2011 09:10 blobrus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 08:27 Veriol wrote:
You have to pay to watch vods or are they free?
I rly hate pay2watch vods. So annoying it makes me not to follow gsl/nasl.. since i cant be awake at 4 am to watch these


Pay, I can understand not wanting to pay for Nasl (I don't), but the Gsl pretty much has the best players/games in the world, I can't see why you wouldn't.


to be fair, GSL has better players and a lot better production quality. .
XenClamzz
Profile Joined April 2011
United States130 Posts
December 13 2011 00:21 GMT
#26
MMA will win 8) also naniwa is the most awkward motherfucker... ever. but seriously hes been team hopping again. I only imagine MMA and or Leenock will take the group.
Sup Son?
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 00:22:31
December 13 2011 00:22 GMT
#27
I feel for stephano, but the group stage rules could have easily been top 2 advance rather than top 3. It's just how things go. In any case, the format reflects an event cup style. Everyone has to play each other, but it's only bo1 due to time/schedule constraints.
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
December 13 2011 00:24 GMT
#28
Polt, show your awesomeness!
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
December 13 2011 00:24 GMT
#29
On December 13 2011 09:01 Ktk wrote:
Show nested quote +
After going less than .500 on predictions for Group A, I've imposed a self-ban on predictions. In additional penance, I've consigned myself to writing the Group A recap, so I can further remind myself about how wrong I was.


Show nested quote +

Group B Predictions:
...


Haha.

the group B predictions are by a different person than yesterday's group A predictor/today's group a wrapup writer.
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Pwnzer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States617 Posts
December 13 2011 00:29 GMT
#30
Sigh...Hero. I was reaaaaally hoping for a better showing from you. I know you'll be back though!

Great write up as always!
Herp Derp
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
December 13 2011 00:36 GMT
#31
On December 13 2011 08:43 careohx wrote:
"but MMA is still the undisputed best TvZ'er in the universe" I think Mvp disagrees.


I think MMA begs to differ? Idk what to say here lol they have different styles
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
Gobbles
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada91 Posts
December 13 2011 00:37 GMT
#32
Good write up! We all know Nestea will take it though, sorry to rain on the parade
You already said spite
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 00:41:55
December 13 2011 00:40 GMT
#33
Go MMA! #1 Please!

I see what you did there, make some ridiculous predictions so that when you are wrong, you can claim to be joking, but when you are write, you can say told you so. I'm on to you, Fionn...
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
xajukx
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada325 Posts
December 13 2011 00:40 GMT
#34
how do tiebreakers work in this tournament?
power-overwhelming
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada306 Posts
December 13 2011 00:44 GMT
#35
MC said his issue is nerves. Whatever it is, its changing the way he plays. However during practice and lan he still is the same guy 9 months ago. Which explains why his teammates don't think he slumped. If MC gets over his nerves and wins this tourny I can almost guarantee he will win GSL Jan
drgrofl
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada48 Posts
December 13 2011 00:54 GMT
#36
EVERYONE ATTN:

nANiwa is a faggot troll.

He called nestea an idiot for nestea's play. Still can't forget that. Sorry :D naniwa

He walks like a duoshe bag so i will personnally forgive him.

User was temp banned for this post.
People_0f_Color
Profile Joined August 2010
177 Posts
December 13 2011 00:55 GMT
#37
On December 13 2011 09:01 Destroyr wrote:
I hope Nestea demolishes this troll naniwa... IT HAS TO BE DONE! In other perspective nice posting - i feel the same way in your observations of the group a matches...

The Malfoy-toss needs to be put to rest!
bpraze
Profile Joined August 2011
Korea (South)2 Posts
December 13 2011 00:59 GMT
#38
MMA!!!
Shodanss
Profile Joined November 2010
Greece245 Posts
December 13 2011 01:01 GMT
#39
I go against all tiebreaking odds and say that Polt will win this!Mark my words! (then Polt goes 0-4! :p)
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NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
December 13 2011 01:02 GMT
#40
On December 13 2011 09:40 xajukx wrote:
how do tiebreakers work in this tournament?

Each player downs a bottle of vodka, and then they see who can do the Mario for the longest time without falling down.

On a sillier note; If they have the same win/lose ratio, it's the player that won their heads-up game that advances (like in Group A where MC advanced instead of Stephano due to beating him earlier). So to have a tie that needs to be broken requires three players with the same W/L record and having beaten each-other.

For example, if MMA, Polt and Naniwa ends up on the same score, where:
Polt > MMA
MMA > Naniwa
Naniwa > Polt
I'd assume that if this is the case they just play it out until one player edges out/is edged out of the three (I dont know the exact scores the players would need to end up with for this to occur). And if all five contestants in the group ends up on 2-2, I'll just laugh and see how good GSL's crisis management is.

Hopefully all of that makes sense, as I'm pretty tired and I'm probably just wrong. Oh, well.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
bundo
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada113 Posts
December 13 2011 01:08 GMT
#41
Im as huge as a polt fan of you and im riding on him getting out of this group!
dnld12
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States324 Posts
December 13 2011 01:09 GMT
#42
The group of mega death
When life gives you Stalkers, Get blink.
mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3789 Posts
December 13 2011 01:13 GMT
#43
Fun read but did the person who made the prediction analysis look at their records in BO1's?

MMA vs Polt,
Leenock vs Nestea,
and Leenock vs Polt are no brainer predictions with minimal risk.

The others probably require this extra analysis.
TheTurk
Profile Joined January 2011
United States732 Posts
December 13 2011 01:14 GMT
#44
Waxangel, I'm sorry *pats back reassuringly*.
Maybe Fionn will be so wrong that it will take the eyes off of your own misfortune.
Starcraft is a lifestyle.
Ender_IF_
Profile Joined December 2011
Spain4 Posts
December 13 2011 01:20 GMT
#45
What happened today with Stephano was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay unlucky, but those were the rules...The foreign community has only one chamo left. Super frickin Nani. Sweden fights, Europe fights, the foreign community is here to make a stand in Korea and make them realize this will not be SC Broodwar.
I don't understand the question, and I will not respond to it
CrazyF1r3f0x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2120 Posts
December 13 2011 01:31 GMT
#46
Why does this have to be on so late T_T
Will there be VoDs?
"Actual happiness always looks pretty squalid in comparison with the overcompensations for misery."
Ahtiven
Profile Joined May 2009
Malaysia159 Posts
December 13 2011 01:32 GMT
#47
Everytime I read these articles I get so hyped up I wish I could just vaporate like a dying zealot as an offering to Aiur.

Life is a gift, don't waste it.
MentalGNT
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1264 Posts
December 13 2011 01:36 GMT
#48
Leenock's ZvT is out of this world good, and it might very well be the best in the world alongside DongRaeGu, but MMA is still the undisputed best TvZ'er in the universe.

I wouldn't say that he is the _undisputed_ best TvZ in the universe. Him and Mvp are pretty equal I think. They just have very different styles.
What a player
Giants92
Profile Joined October 2011
16 Posts
December 13 2011 01:40 GMT
#49
Wow, Nani is a pretty good player, but is kinda weird... obviously I don't know the whole story, but it seems like Naniwa just likes to bm Nestea. Not very funny in my opinion.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
December 13 2011 01:41 GMT
#50
Gotta love the naniwalk
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
December 13 2011 01:42 GMT
#51
On December 13 2011 08:27 Veriol wrote:
You have to pay to watch vods or are they free?
I rly hate pay2watch vods. So annoying it makes me not to follow gsl/nasl.. since i cant be awake at 4 am to watch these

You can always watch the vods for free on youku if you don't really care about them speaking Chinese.
tjtombo
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States295 Posts
December 13 2011 01:51 GMT
#52
DRG FIGHTING
Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard
DrThorMD
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada359 Posts
December 13 2011 01:58 GMT
#53
Polt FTW. Hes a gigantic Boss and I want him to win.
Damn your Chronoboosts!
SpectralFremen
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia386 Posts
December 13 2011 02:08 GMT
#54
Love your write up, great read really hyping up an event i was already looking forward too ^_^
"And so he spoke, and so he spoke, that lord of Castamere"
cavalier117
Profile Joined April 2011
United States430 Posts
December 13 2011 02:11 GMT
#55
much better(more realistic) predictions.

i approve
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aviator116
Profile Joined November 2011
United States820 Posts
December 13 2011 02:17 GMT
#56
On December 13 2011 10:36 BansheeDK wrote:
Show nested quote +
Leenock's ZvT is out of this world good, and it might very well be the best in the world alongside DongRaeGu, but MMA is still the undisputed best TvZ'er in the universe.

I wouldn't say that he is the _undisputed_ best TvZ in the universe. Him and Mvp are pretty equal I think. They just have very different styles.

MMA has beaten more top tier zergs more consistently..MVP has only shown his stellar TvZ recently. In fact, MVP took a lot of his strategies (multi-pronged dropping, emphasis on mass marine, forgetting marauders even against roaches) from MMA's MLG Columbus games
Bogus ST_Life IMMVP
bobthebo
Profile Joined May 2011
101 Posts
December 13 2011 02:22 GMT
#57
polt lets gooooo
ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
December 13 2011 02:23 GMT
#58
NANIWAAAAA
TOP 3 NERDSWAGGER
I really hope NaNi makes it out!
MBAACC | SG | shit at fighting games
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
December 13 2011 02:31 GMT
#59
lol 2-2
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 13 2011 02:53 GMT
#60
I have to admit I am glad stephano didn't advance just because his fans are getting out of control with the hype. It needs to be toned down.
anApple
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore275 Posts
December 13 2011 02:55 GMT
#61
Go Nestea and Polt!
huehuehue
IMPrime
Profile Joined September 2011
United States715 Posts
December 13 2011 02:58 GMT
#62
my predictions are exactly the same other than leenock > MMA.

Which is a bad sign for me because no matter how accurate these kinds of analyses are, bo1 means anything can happen.
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
December 13 2011 03:00 GMT
#63
going with the good ol tie breaker so you dont pull a waxangel huh
banelings
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
December 13 2011 03:01 GMT
#64
as a MMA fan I liked MLG's predictions more.

really hoping MMA beats Polt and wins this group though, oh and that Nestea crushes Naniwa.
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zanga
Profile Joined September 2011
659 Posts
December 13 2011 03:28 GMT
#65

GO NANIWA! The chosen One to bring glory upon all non-korean.

Still quite a few dramaqueens regarding the Nestea-Nani-MLG-"""""Incident""""". You should watch the Blizz Cup Press conference where Nani and NesTea talks to each other and NesTea says "Im good!" and thumbs up naniwa etc.
Take it from NesTea HIMSELF: ITS ALL GOOD FUN

Nice predictions ^^.. Just give me NesTea vs NaNiwa in the finals and its all good.
(:
Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
December 13 2011 03:29 GMT
#66
I felt like someone told MVP how stephano played and he simply said that's it? Watch this counter
Phantom_Sky
Profile Joined August 2010
Hong Kong512 Posts
December 13 2011 03:31 GMT
#67
Twilight loses all its remaining comedic value when you see it for the second time (like this joke).


lol, it never gets old, you can do it at least 4 times
Brotatolol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1742 Posts
December 13 2011 03:38 GMT
#68
Nice write up, I liked the Group B predictions at the end.

Watching Naniwa swagger will never get old.
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
December 13 2011 04:12 GMT
#69
+ Show Spoiler +

Let's see, and if you put all those predictions together, we would get...

Leenock: 2-2
Polt: 2-2
MMA: 2-2
Nestea: 2-2
Naniwa: 2-2

Oh.


Fionn trolled us all!
lololol
but ya it is honestly impossible to truly predict who will get out of this group
Polt fighting!!!!
Long live the Boss Toss!
Daogin
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada2308 Posts
December 13 2011 04:14 GMT
#70
Hahaha good write up, cant wait to see who advances, gunna be touuugh
Leenoctopus <3, master of foreign events.
Grayson Carlyle
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada219 Posts
December 13 2011 04:18 GMT
#71
"Reason: Naniwa will try to trick Leenock by going for a FFE. Sadly, somehow, someway, Leenock will see it coming, rush with roaches and end the match before it hits the ten-minute mark."

I laughed really hard at that! Good article!
Take what ye can
Kring
Profile Joined August 2011
Portugal70 Posts
December 13 2011 04:35 GMT
#72
awesome article!! as usual!
Evolution complete
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
December 13 2011 04:36 GMT
#73
Cmon NaNiwa! Foreigners will bring it home!
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
RoninShogun
Profile Joined November 2010
United States315 Posts
December 13 2011 04:42 GMT
#74
This is an extremely informative write up and I applaud Fionn for not picking Polt to sweep the group. Really though, I cant wait for this round to kick off, the games should be super good
Artosis: Yeah I was gonna probe rush but someone did that yesterday
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
December 13 2011 04:44 GMT
#75
I foresee Naniwa dropping a pylon, a forge, and then cannon rushing as everyone expects him to FFE and will be surprised by it.

Then he will walk out of the booth awkwardly and laugh (more awkwardly) at Nestea.

Then the universe will collapse in on itself as they attempt to interview Naniwa, as the awkward toss collapses from the sheer weight of awkwardness.

...

Or maybe he'll go back to the 4gate toss he was way back when.
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HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
December 13 2011 04:44 GMT
#76
After these predictions I predict a 4-0 and 3-1
MogSkynet
Profile Joined May 2011
25 Posts
December 13 2011 04:57 GMT
#77
I think Polt and Leenock are both going to get out of this group somehow.... The other one to get out I dunno... whoever wins between MMA and NesTea is my bet . (sorry Naniwa and Naniwa fans, but I think he's going 0-4)
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
December 13 2011 05:15 GMT
#78
it would be pretty humourous if everyone did end up 2-2
having to have all the matches replayed, only to end up with 2-2s again...but just wth different/mixed up results.
Infinite loops of games!!!
or..they could just give the title to MVP....
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 13 2011 05:30 GMT
#79
haha Waxangel you day 1 review was nice.

"someone's mind breaking over the course of 90 minutes. Fascinating, in a kind of sadistic way"

Totally agree with you on that part. What I saw from Hero vs DRG blew my mind I felt like someone has hacked hero account or drugged him
NationInArms
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1553 Posts
December 13 2011 05:36 GMT
#80
This got linked to on the official GOMtv Facebook page status!!!
BW for life | Fantasy, MMA, SlayerS_Boxer | Taengoo! n_n | "Lelouch vi Britannia commands you! Obey me, subjects! OBEY ME, WORLD!" | <3 Emi
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
December 13 2011 05:40 GMT
#81
There aren't many Korean players who go to mainly compete abroad and return to compete in Korea.
Even though they live and practice there, the environment is completely different on the main stage.
It's a unique type of pressure and stress they have to deal with that few pros ever have to experience.

I honestly expected Hero to choke a little, but I think if he continues to compete in the GSL, his stage performance will steadily increase. His skill certainly justifies better results.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 05:44:53
December 13 2011 05:44 GMT
#82
Winner: MMA
Reason: Leenock's ZvT is out of this world good, and it might very well be the best in the world alongside DongRaeGu, but MMA is still the undisputed best TvZ'er in the universe. MMA beat Leenock in the group stages of last season's Code S, and Leenock beat MMA 2-1 at Providence, so this will be the rubber match. However this might end up, this is going to be a match you will want to see.


Considering MMA's TvZ record post patch 1.4.0 is 10-9, I'd say it's at least debatable. MVP, Happy and Ganzi have been just as good if not better in the past 2.5 months.
Ciraxis
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia400 Posts
December 13 2011 05:53 GMT
#83
On December 13 2011 14:30 HappyChris wrote:
haha Waxangel you day 1 review was nice.

"someone's mind breaking over the course of 90 minutes. Fascinating, in a kind of sadistic way"

Totally agree with you on that part. What I saw from Hero vs DRG blew my mind I felt like someone has hacked hero account or drugged him


Yeah I second this. HerO completely shut down in a horrific way that it became painful to watch.
tyrless
Profile Joined July 2010
United States485 Posts
December 13 2011 06:08 GMT
#84
rooting FOR: NesTea, MMA
rooting AGAINST: Naniwa

actual predictions: who the hell knows
rkshox
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan536 Posts
December 13 2011 06:08 GMT
#85
great read..great summary..wish i was hardcore enough to wake up early and watch this amazingness
@ranleee /// "first we expand, then we defense it'
GGPope
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia367 Posts
December 13 2011 06:10 GMT
#86
Haha those are the exact predictions I made. Let's hope they're right, I wanna see a five-way tie
Bogeyman
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden307 Posts
December 13 2011 06:14 GMT
#87
I don't understand people hating on Naniwa. I guess you haven't bothered looking any further than your first impression. Check out that interview with Naniwa after the MLG Invitational if you're willing and capable of changing your view on the matter, or if you just wonder what it was all about and want some back-story. As a fellow Swede, just trust me when I say that he's being totally earnest with what he's saying there.

So yeah I obviously hope Naniwa does well. It'd be good for all foreigners if Naniwa could make a big impact on Korean soil. That hasn't happened really since Jinro reached RO4 in Code S for the 2nd time, and that's so long ago now.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
December 13 2011 06:27 GMT
#88
On December 13 2011 15:14 Bogeyman wrote:
I don't understand people hating on Naniwa. I guess you haven't bothered looking any further than your first impression. Check out that interview with Naniwa after the MLG Invitational if you're willing and capable of changing your view on the matter, or if you just wonder what it was all about and want some back-story. As a fellow Swede, just trust me when I say that he's being totally earnest with what he's saying there.

So yeah I obviously hope Naniwa does well. It'd be good for all foreigners if Naniwa could make a big impact on Korean soil. That hasn't happened really since Jinro reached RO4 in Code S for the 2nd time, and that's so long ago now.

With a couple exceptions, the people hating on naniwa in this thread are clearly trolling.
Nate.F
Profile Joined April 2011
918 Posts
December 13 2011 06:31 GMT
#89
i like how most of the people missed the point of the prediction which was to say it is impossible to predict whose getting out of the group.
diophan
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1018 Posts
December 13 2011 06:33 GMT
#90
Please please beat Nani Professor Tea!
ChriS-X
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1374 Posts
December 13 2011 06:43 GMT
#91
GODDAMMIT FIONN
Bogeyman
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden307 Posts
December 13 2011 07:15 GMT
#92
On December 13 2011 15:27 gruff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 15:14 Bogeyman wrote:
I don't understand people hating on Naniwa. I guess you haven't bothered looking any further than your first impression. Check out that interview with Naniwa after the MLG Invitational if you're willing and capable of changing your view on the matter, or if you just wonder what it was all about and want some back-story. As a fellow Swede, just trust me when I say that he's being totally earnest with what he's saying there.

So yeah I obviously hope Naniwa does well. It'd be good for all foreigners if Naniwa could make a big impact on Korean soil. That hasn't happened really since Jinro reached RO4 in Code S for the 2nd time, and that's so long ago now.

With a couple exceptions, the people hating on naniwa in this thread are clearly trolling.

I guess, but quite a lot of people seem to look forward to Nestea smashing Naniwa (in a best of 1).
Either way the results won't mean too much (unless there's something tangible like Hero choking), both because it's all BO1 right now, and from what I read in the Naniwa interview before the Blizzcup Press Conference he's not had a lot of time to practice and he's suffering from jet-lag, and if Naniwa wins well maybe all it means is that Nestea is human and is affected by the fact that he unexpectedly lost to him twice in Providence.
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
December 13 2011 07:36 GMT
#93
I think he did those predictions so when he's completely wrong it'll still be
2-2 2-2 2-2 2-2 2-2
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
December 13 2011 07:43 GMT
#94
I'm going to counter your predictions with my own:

4-0
3-1
2-2
1-3
0-4
ElusoryX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Singapore2047 Posts
December 13 2011 07:49 GMT
#95
2-2 all the way!
xd
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
December 13 2011 08:02 GMT
#96
Thank you wax and Fionn, great read <3
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
December 13 2011 08:40 GMT
#97
Damn Fionn, that was good.
Someone call down the Thunder?
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
December 13 2011 08:40 GMT
#98
Dat Leenock vs. Naniwa write-up. Quite wity sir.

I have similar predictions but MMA > Polt, Nestea > Naniwa, MMA > Naniwa.

I think MMA has had too much practice time to not go 4-0 in this group, however awesome it may be.
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kruxey
Profile Joined September 2011
Bulgaria168 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 08:48:03
December 13 2011 08:47 GMT
#99
MMA is bad at TvP and naniwa can beat Nestea ezpz so I cant rly see him going 0-4.




NANIWA fighting
Lovedoll
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan540 Posts
December 13 2011 09:03 GMT
#100
The ending made me lol. Terrific article as always!
Spread your eggs until they crack!
speedphlux
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria962 Posts
December 13 2011 09:05 GMT
#101
I really hope the OP's predictions turn out to be true :D
I feel like I haven't watched enough SC2 lately
... Humanity Is Not What I Suffer From ...
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
December 13 2011 09:27 GMT
#102
Go on nani!!! You can do it!!! Get Top 3 at least!

Live and Let Die!
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
December 13 2011 09:33 GMT
#103
half of the charm of esports are all the beautiful stories writers like wax and fionn weave around the matches!

oh, but I wanted to add that I do not agree with the following:
For a long time it was said that Leenock got the short end of the stick in a lot of his matches in the GSL. That he was given harder opponents than the rest and that is why it took him so long to be a force in Code S.

I think that Leenock got the short end of the stick and was given harder opponents than the rest is exactly why he is a beast now. You angered the Leenoktopus and now you reap what you sow.
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 10:47:30
December 13 2011 10:24 GMT
#104
1. MMA 3-1
2. Leenock 3-1
3. Naniwa 2-2
4. Polt 2-2
5. Nestea 0-4

K no more changing for me lol
🥇 Prediction Contest - Mess with the best, die like the rest.
CloudCat
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore159 Posts
December 13 2011 10:47 GMT
#105
How is it right thing to allow Stephano to advance? I don't understand at all. Are the rules supposed to be bent just because he's a foreigner? If anything, ask to change the format. Not to break the rules. If MC had won, would anyone have asked for DRG to advance instead?
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
December 13 2011 11:12 GMT
#106
MMA the best TvZer? Look at some of MVPs combacks against Zerg on Altar and then say that again.

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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
December 13 2011 11:15 GMT
#107
Arf, Stephaaanoooooo TT
Oh well. Naniwa will 4-0.
I loled so hard when i saw naniwa/drg at mlg :D
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MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
December 13 2011 12:08 GMT
#108
OH damn, IU is performing at the finals, greatest gom tournament ever immediately!!
newron
Profile Joined December 2011
13 Posts
December 13 2011 12:12 GMT
#109
...and there goes naniwa with the 7 probe rush
Pikarya
Profile Joined December 2011
United States10 Posts
December 13 2011 12:31 GMT
#110
Salty
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
December 13 2011 12:42 GMT
#111
That gif... it gives me nightmares.

Great writeup, really impressive. Enjoyable reading in-between the games of today!
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exupery
Profile Joined December 2011
Korea (South)27 Posts
December 13 2011 13:52 GMT
#112
.5 accuracy now
I prefer watching.
FATJESUSONABIKE
Profile Joined November 2011
184 Posts
December 13 2011 14:22 GMT
#113
On December 13 2011 20:12 Aunvilgod wrote:
MMA the best TvZer? Look at some of MVPs combacks against Zerg on Altar and then say that again.



and there MMA easily 2-0's the same Leenock that took MVP down in the semis of the GSL.
ofcourse MMA's TvZ is the best in the world.
Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
December 13 2011 14:43 GMT
#114
--- Nuked ---
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
December 13 2011 14:51 GMT
#115
SPOILERS for Group B:

Regarding your predictions...
+ Show Spoiler +
Group B Predictions:

NesTea <Daybreak> MMA

Winner: MMA
Real Winner: MMA
Comments: MMA TvZ showing whats up.

Leenock <Bel'Shir Beach> NaNiwa

Winner: Leenock
Real Winner: Leenock
Comments: Leenock is a monster. WHAT AN AMAZING GAME!!!!

NesTea <Crossfire SE> Polt

Winner: Nestea
Real Winner: Polt
Comments: Nestea is just sinking lower and lower.

MMA <Dual Sight> Leenock

Winner: MMA
Real Winner: MMA
Comments: Boxer's son at TvZ? What did you expect? Incredible game nonetheless.

NaNiwa <Tal'Darim Altar> Polt

Winner: Polt
Real Winner: Polt
Comments: Polt is DAMN good at his timings. I'm sure Naniwa fans hate Polt for his playstyle, because Naniwa had this game won.

Leenock <Antiga Shipyard> NesTea

Winner: Nestea
Real Winner: Leenock
Comments: Leenock is a monster. DAT MICRO

NaNiwa <Calm Before the Storm> MMA

Winner: Naniwa
Real Winner: MMA
Comments: SlayerS Terran made good decisions but horrible slipups. Naniwa was both lucky and unfortunate here.

Leenock <Shakuras Plateau> Polt

Winner: Leenock
Real Winner: Leenock
Comments: Leenock is a monster.

NaNiwa <Antiga Shipyard> NesTea

Winner: Naniwa
Real(?) Winner: NesTea
Comments: lol.

MMA <Bel'Shir Beach> Polt

Winner: Polt
Real Winner: Polt
Comments: Polt seems to have MMA's number, though MMA does finally kill Polt in the tiebreaker.


FINAL SCORE: 6/9

Not bad! Over 50%! Though betting on MMA TvZ is autowin. And Polt is destroying everyone's expectations.

BW Forever. Flash is the Ultimate Bonjwa.
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1895 Posts
December 13 2011 15:25 GMT
#116
Sorry to say dude, but leenock's not a man yet...
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 13 2011 15:50 GMT
#117
So happy that MMA took first. Good job MMA!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Turboteckel
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands37 Posts
December 13 2011 15:51 GMT
#118
He's not a man.. He's a monster!
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
December 13 2011 16:23 GMT
#119
All 2-2, what a troll. (lmao)
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
kAelle_sc
Profile Joined April 2011
287 Posts
December 13 2011 17:00 GMT
#120
gogogo Leenock hwaiting~!
It's all about the journey, not the outcome.
exupery
Profile Joined December 2011
Korea (South)27 Posts
December 13 2011 17:22 GMT
#121
On December 13 2011 23:51 Keone wrote:
SPOILERS for Group B:

Regarding your predictions...
+ Show Spoiler +
Group B Predictions:

NesTea <Daybreak> MMA

Winner: MMA
Real Winner: MMA
Comments: MMA TvZ showing whats up.

Leenock <Bel'Shir Beach> NaNiwa

Winner: Leenock
Real Winner: Leenock
Comments: Leenock is a monster. WHAT AN AMAZING GAME!!!!

NesTea <Crossfire SE> Polt

Winner: Nestea
Real Winner: Polt
Comments: Nestea is just sinking lower and lower.

MMA <Dual Sight> Leenock

Winner: MMA
Real Winner: MMA
Comments: Boxer's son at TvZ? What did you expect? Incredible game nonetheless.

NaNiwa <Tal'Darim Altar> Polt

Winner: Polt
Real Winner: Polt
Comments: Polt is DAMN good at his timings. I'm sure Naniwa fans hate Polt for his playstyle, because Naniwa had this game won.

Leenock <Antiga Shipyard> NesTea

Winner: Nestea
Real Winner: Leenock
Comments: Leenock is a monster. DAT MICRO

NaNiwa <Calm Before the Storm> MMA

Winner: Naniwa
Real Winner: MMA
Comments: SlayerS Terran made good decisions but horrible slipups. Naniwa was both lucky and unfortunate here.

Leenock <Shakuras Plateau> Polt

Winner: Leenock
Real Winner: Leenock
Comments: Leenock is a monster.

NaNiwa <Antiga Shipyard> NesTea

Winner: Naniwa
Real(?) Winner: NesTea
Comments: lol.

MMA <Bel'Shir Beach> Polt

Winner: Polt
Real Winner: Polt
Comments: Polt seems to have MMA's number, though MMA does finally kill Polt in the tiebreaker.


FINAL SCORE: 6/9

Not bad! Over 50%! Though betting on MMA TvZ is autowin. And Polt is destroying everyone's expectations.


And Polt is destroying everyone's expectations.
That's right
I prefer watching.
CloneXpert
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania9 Posts
December 13 2011 17:32 GMT
#122
Too bad Stephano didn't advance -_-
ArkeoN
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany13 Posts
December 13 2011 19:43 GMT
#123
in the top of the predictions the mma link brings you to mvp oO
ChampionEast14
Profile Joined December 2010
United States27 Posts
December 13 2011 20:29 GMT
#124
I am astonished at HerO, and pretty happy with Stephano, however i don't really like the write-up by waxangel
To The Shadows I Retreat
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
December 13 2011 20:33 GMT
#125
Much has been said about the build MVP used against Stephano. I'm going to add a couple observations, because it seems as there are some misconceptions both about MVP's build and Stephano's builds on Shakuras:

1. MVP's build is on KR ladder (no surprise there) and in fact Stephano faced it more than once while laddering in KR. He lost to it at least once, but was also able to beat it with mass ling. It depends on whether he can get the flank. He didn't have quite enough when MVP pushed and then MVP was half way up his ramp, making a flank impossible. From there it was GG.

2. I've seen probably about 10 (non ladder) games played by Stephano on Shakuras. He generally does not opt for mass ling on shakuras (I repeat -- he does not typically opt for mass melee on shakuras) but instead usually goes a more traditional ling-bling muta. (See his game against Ryung at the GSPA eg). If he had gone lbm, he would have had a baneling nest and been fine, or at least have made things very scary for MVP. If he had gone roaches, he would have likely been fine, and possibly have crushed the push. (Stephano often also goes roach ling.) So MVP got a little "lucky" in the sense that Stephano ended up going the one build (of at least three likely builds) that MVP's build was best designed to destory. (This isn't to say that MVP would have lost the game had Stephano gone roach - ling, but rather only that Stephano would not have died so early.) Stephano's going mass ling in the early - mid game was far from the certainty most people seem to assume that it was and MVP's "genius" meta-gaming really was much more of a gamble than it would at first blush seem.

As an aside, I note that the format of the tournament probably did not benefit Stephano. There probably are 80 hours worth of Stephano's games on the Internet (including both ladder games and tournaments). Since mass-melee isn't that common of a build (although it's gaining popularity in KR), to the extent Stephano wanted to go mass melee, he wouldn't likely have the benefit of a wealth of games to study to discover what MVP did in response to mass melee, whereas there are plenty of games (including many recent ones on Shakuras) where Stephano goes mass melee. Given how adaptive Stephano is, I think he actually would have benefitted from a slightly longer format. That said, however you slice it, Stephano would be a pretty big underdog when facing MVP, although there's no shame in that.

To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
Fatze
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1342 Posts
December 13 2011 21:56 GMT
#126
thx for the awesome article <3
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bRoKeNLaW
Profile Joined May 2011
United States33 Posts
December 13 2011 22:03 GMT
#127
I <3 getting home from work and reading these write-ups, I never really took a second to comment on how appreciative I + the community should be for these, who ever does em', keep em' comming ty
"If you're not attacking, you're probably dying"
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 13 2011 22:13 GMT
#128
On December 14 2011 05:33 The_Darkness wrote:
Much has been said about the build MVP used against Stephano. I'm going to add a couple observations, because it seems as there are some misconceptions both about MVP's build and Stephano's builds on Shakuras:

1. MVP's build is on KR ladder (no surprise there) and in fact Stephano faced it more than once while laddering in KR. He lost to it at least once, but was also able to beat it with mass ling. It depends on whether he can get the flank. He didn't have quite enough when MVP pushed and then MVP was half way up his ramp, making a flank impossible. From there it was GG.

2. I've seen probably about 10 (non ladder) games played by Stephano on Shakuras. He generally does not opt for mass ling on shakuras (I repeat -- he does not typically opt for mass melee on shakuras) but instead usually goes a more traditional ling-bling muta. (See his game against Ryung at the GSPA eg). If he had gone lbm, he would have had a baneling nest and been fine, or at least have made things very scary for MVP. If he had gone roaches, he would have likely been fine, and possibly have crushed the push. (Stephano often also goes roach ling.) So MVP got a little "lucky" in the sense that Stephano ended up going the one build (of at least three likely builds) that MVP's build was best designed to destory. (This isn't to say that MVP would have lost the game had Stephano gone roach - ling, but rather only that Stephano would not have died so early.) Stephano's going mass ling in the early - mid game was far from the certainty most people seem to assume that it was and MVP's "genius" meta-gaming really was much more of a gamble than it would at first blush seem.

As an aside, I note that the format of the tournament probably did not benefit Stephano. There probably are 80 hours worth of Stephano's games on the Internet (including both ladder games and tournaments). Since mass-melee isn't that common of a build (although it's gaining popularity in KR), to the extent Stephano wanted to go mass melee, he wouldn't likely have the benefit of a wealth of games to study to discover what MVP did in response to mass melee, whereas there are plenty of games (including many recent ones on Shakuras) where Stephano goes mass melee. Given how adaptive Stephano is, I think he actually would have benefitted from a slightly longer format. That said, however you slice it, Stephano would be a pretty big underdog when facing MVP, although there's no shame in that.




Thats a very brillaint and acurate analyse of Stephano´s play.

And yea it was all about the surround. On that map with the ramp you just cant get a good surround.

On another note Stephano seem to swtich up his style abit and now practise with some early banelings just to counter that exact push
instruMENTAL013
Profile Joined July 2011
United States10 Posts
December 13 2011 22:23 GMT
#129
Watched Naniwa v Leenock in Group stage and it made me want to kill myself. If he just would've killed the tech! GG but I can't wait for the rematch!
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The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
December 13 2011 23:40 GMT
#130
On December 14 2011 07:13 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 05:33 The_Darkness wrote:
Much has been said about the build MVP used against Stephano. I'm going to add a couple observations, because it seems as there are some misconceptions both about MVP's build and Stephano's builds on Shakuras:

1. MVP's build is on KR ladder (no surprise there) and in fact Stephano faced it more than once while laddering in KR. He lost to it at least once, but was also able to beat it with mass ling. It depends on whether he can get the flank. He didn't have quite enough when MVP pushed and then MVP was half way up his ramp, making a flank impossible. From there it was GG.

2. I've seen probably about 10 (non ladder) games played by Stephano on Shakuras. He generally does not opt for mass ling on shakuras (I repeat -- he does not typically opt for mass melee on shakuras) but instead usually goes a more traditional ling-bling muta. (See his game against Ryung at the GSPA eg). If he had gone lbm, he would have had a baneling nest and been fine, or at least have made things very scary for MVP. If he had gone roaches, he would have likely been fine, and possibly have crushed the push. (Stephano often also goes roach ling.) So MVP got a little "lucky" in the sense that Stephano ended up going the one build (of at least three likely builds) that MVP's build was best designed to destory. (This isn't to say that MVP would have lost the game had Stephano gone roach - ling, but rather only that Stephano would not have died so early.) Stephano's going mass ling in the early - mid game was far from the certainty most people seem to assume that it was and MVP's "genius" meta-gaming really was much more of a gamble than it would at first blush seem.

As an aside, I note that the format of the tournament probably did not benefit Stephano. There probably are 80 hours worth of Stephano's games on the Internet (including both ladder games and tournaments). Since mass-melee isn't that common of a build (although it's gaining popularity in KR), to the extent Stephano wanted to go mass melee, he wouldn't likely have the benefit of a wealth of games to study to discover what MVP did in response to mass melee, whereas there are plenty of games (including many recent ones on Shakuras) where Stephano goes mass melee. Given how adaptive Stephano is, I think he actually would have benefitted from a slightly longer format. That said, however you slice it, Stephano would be a pretty big underdog when facing MVP, although there's no shame in that.




Thats a very brillaint and acurate analyse of Stephano´s play.

And yea it was all about the surround. On that map with the ramp you just cant get a good surround.

On another note Stephano seem to swtich up his style abit and now practise with some early banelings just to counter that exact push


Many thanks.

I'm not at all surprised to hear that Stephano already has made adjustments. I've seen him use a variety of builds on ladder v. Terran (and also in tournaments) -- all ling, ling roach, ling-bilng-muta and ling infestor, ling-roach-infestor. A digression: People seem to think that once one person figures out a unit cominbation that counters his TvZ builds they somehow will have "figured out" Stephano, or at least they imply that this is the case. That's ridiculous for several reasons. First, against T, Stephano has used several builds successfully. In terms of his mid-game play, his mass melee is stronger than his ling-bling-muta but both are played at a high level. Before the infestor buff Stephano was stomping everyone in EU on the ladder doing solely ling-bling-muta. Second, even if you bought the argument that Stephano's TvZ is gimmicky and will be "figured out", TvZ is only one of three match ups. Stephano's main early - mid game build in ZvP is as standard as it gets - roach, hydra, corruptor. In fact it's so standard that it was eventually "figured out" and many players stopped using it. Nevertheless, whereas lesser Zergs are continuously stomped using this build, Stephano found a way to make roach-hydra-corruptor work as he transitions to a late game army. (Incidentally, I think the first time I remarked -- "this man is a genius" -- when watching Stephano play was when he stomped Mana(?) at Assembly using RHC despite the fact P was on three bases and had collosi. He was doing something everyone else did, but was doing it way, way better because of superior micro, macro and mechanics. His zvz is also pretty standard. Ling-bling into roach or muta typically. I don't understand how people can think he's going to be "figured out". You can't "figure out" superior mechanics and multitasking, which is why Stephano has one of the highest win rates of anyone in GM on the KR server (which is far more important than ladder points), even though he just started playing on it.
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
s15sLiDER
Profile Joined January 2011
United States112 Posts
December 14 2011 13:46 GMT
#131
The marine blue flame hellion 9-10 minute timing is an extremely common build that I have seen a lot of GM players in north america do. Other then that little gripe, great article.
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