To be honest though I kinda disliked how often Kespa changed maps in Brood Wars, it was hard to keep track of and you missed some consistently good maps like Fighting Spirit and Andromeda. But I defintely think a new influx of maps would help out SC2 some.

AndreiDaGiant

United States394 Posts

November 15 2011 03:41 GMT

#182

On November 15 2011 07:08 TheKefka wrote:

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I don't see how Jungle Basin is worse than steppes of war.At least you were able to win a ZvP here and there on JB.

did you read the stats on it

freeshooter

United States477 Posts

November 15 2011 03:41 GMT

#183

Picture of Boxer from MLG roaring at ceiling is full of win. That is the him isn't it?

Dbla08

United States211 Posts

November 15 2011 03:50 GMT

#184

i <3 you Xxio, i'm very new to sc2 and bw as a whole (febuary 2011) but even in that short amount of time during my slow progression to diamond i've known that maps dictate a large portion of balance and the amount of maps that have been tested and used in sc2 is pitifully small compared to bw. so how could we even complain about unit/tech balance when we're far from truly testing it? (some things were very obvious i.e reapers in beta, 1 food roaches etc)

Mr Showtime

United States1353 Posts

November 15 2011 04:02 GMT

#185

On November 15 2011 07:06 Ruscour wrote:

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Jungle Basin era is the pinnacle of Zerg complaining.

You could call it that. Or just be honest and call it the era of legitimate map imbalance.....

Plexa

Aotearoa39261 Posts

November 15 2011 04:06 GMT

#186

You guys know Blizzard is looking over our map contest and may include some of the maps in the ladder pool, right?

celious

United States195 Posts

November 15 2011 04:32 GMT

#187

I've been saying this for awhile and I'm glad its being addressed by TL directly.

disciple

9071 Posts

November 15 2011 04:36 GMT

#188

On November 15 2011 12:33 Peterblue wrote:

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Wait, what? Once Z gets his third... he gets his third like 3 minutes into the game, man. Did you mean P?

no, if players get spawned on the same side of the map, zerg 3rd is diagonal for toss so the attack distance is huge. Bisu's strat is to attack the 3rd before its saturated and defended. but from toss prespective 3rd base is relatively easly to defend (being 12, 3, 6 or 9) shit gets serious after that when the area to defend is quite huge and the rally point from the gateways is really really really far away. unless toss carries a significant midgame advantage, map is quite biased towards z in lategame pvz

firetyo

58 Posts

November 15 2011 04:38 GMT

#189

I also personally believe that its with race balance issues as well. They have hots almost coming up and theyre still making adjustments to the game (ex. Protoss upgrade costs) and theyre throwing in new units... Theyre getting the balance almost there but at the same time, theyre not completely balancing the game out before launching a new expansion. Who knows what kind of clusterf*** is going to happen with balance issues now... Its not like theres a hots open beta

Angra

United States2652 Posts

November 15 2011 04:46 GMT

#190

Good read. I've never understood why Blizzard (and a lot of SC2 fans) insist on balancing the game solely by tweaking unit numbers here and there. They've been doing it for a year and a half now on a regular basis and still no one is satisfied with the balance, so obviously it's not a very efficient method of balancing the game. They should at least try focusing on maps for awhile to see if it makes a more even balance. The fact that some maps are still being used competitively that have been around since (or just after) beta is a joke, to be honest.

NATO

United States459 Posts

November 15 2011 05:07 GMT

#191

Biased much? TvT is not unpopular, and Terrans don't win every tournament. How does this garbage make it through TL?

OptimusYale

Korea (South)1005 Posts

November 15 2011 05:09 GMT

#192

great post! We the community should step up and choose which maps WE want to play. I would love for blizzard to stop being so controlling over sc2 and allow fan made content into the map pool

Bobster

Germany3075 Posts

November 15 2011 05:10 GMT

#193

There was a 87% ZvP map in BW, what the fuck? :D :D

peekn

United States1152 Posts

November 15 2011 05:16 GMT

#194

Personally I don't care if the map is 50/50 win rate across the board, if it's not balanced at the pro level I don't really care at all about the win rates. I'd rather have a map that I know is balanced and the reason that I'm not winning is because of myself and not the map being made easier for my race or my opponent's race.

I want to win because I did the right things not because the map was easier to play on!!

darkcloud8282

Canada776 Posts

November 15 2011 05:20 GMT

#195

I feel a lot of the maps weren't given enough time for the players to develop strategies and maybe after all these race balances blizzard has made, things will work out differently..

Ciryandor

United States3735 Posts

November 15 2011 05:21 GMT

#196

On November 15 2011 12:08 disciple wrote:

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I just want to see him on TV more often

Me too, no more MSL for him to try to get a 4th one in.

sTsCompleted

United States380 Posts

November 15 2011 05:23 GMT

#197

I read through this entire post only looking at the pictures and it was still interesting. Then I read the text. It was even better.

r33k

Italy3402 Posts

November 15 2011 05:25 GMT

#198

Calling Fighting Spirit the best map ever makes me want to punch OP in the face.

v0rtex

123 Posts

November 15 2011 05:28 GMT

#199

Definitely agree. New maps will breathe new life into the spectator sport of Starcraft II but we must have a regular map pool as stated above. At the moment, the GSL maps are actually quite awesome (I think) and Taldarim Altar is nice for all the races.