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Match Fixing Players all Banned by Kespa - Page 13

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29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
June 08 2010 04:37 GMT
#241
no protoss, eh? this was during the time when people chose their lineups, so most lineups probably had only 1 mandatory protoss who would lose anyways (perfectman, haksoo, etc) or stars who probably wouldnt lose (stork, kal, bisu).
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
June 08 2010 04:47 GMT
#242
Perfect. It hurts my heart to think some of these players who I've supported and lost many valuable hours of sleep to watch live are such bad guys. Luxury was my first favorite progamer. I always supported Yarnc and go.go; Along with Luxury they made OGN Sparkyz my favorite team. When I got into STX Soul it was partially because of that epic lineup with allstars in all races. Hwasin was the coolest Terran for me for so long and I always pulled for him in every starleague because I really felt he deserved a title. Upmagic played some of the most entertaining games of all time. He was a broodwar genius and his unorthodoxy and creativity made him a player who was easy to love and watch play. Nevertheless, in the face of all of these great memories made bittersweet now, there was only one option for dealing with this roster of matchfixers. There can be no doubt that the sport is real or it is no longer a sport. The only viable punishment from dogspa is the permanent ban.

I feel for all of the other fans who suffered disappointment and disillusionment as a result of the whole matchfixing incident.

As a final note: I hope that these guys aren't allowed to play in SC2 events in the new GOM world order or whatever ends up happening. It bothers me that everyone forgot so readily about the sins of Dimaga and F91 and other TSL cheaters as soon as they became SC2 stars.
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
June 08 2010 05:04 GMT
#243
Banning these players from all future events sounds fair enough to me. What they did was wrong and anything less would certainly hurt the integrity of the sport. On the other hand jail time would be way too harsh for this.

A few things to consider: these players are basically just kids. They would have gone from going to school and living at home straight to living in a progamer house with a bunch of other teenagers/early twenties, playing a computer game 10+ hours a day. It's not like they have a ton of life experience. Doesn't excuse what they did, but they made a mistake, they are not hardened criminals.

Furthermore, I imagine that it is rather common for any of the little money that most of these guys make to straight to their parents for safekeeping with maybe a little bit of spending money given to them from that. Meanwhile, the money they would get from the match fixing would have been cash under the table, so to speak, i.e. money that they could spend freely. Once again, this is no excuse but it is something to keep in mind before you judge them too harshly.

I'll be glad when this whole dirty business is behind us, and I sincerely hope that it will be a cautionary tale for future progamers, and that it will never happen again.
Creator of LoLTool.
doktorLucifer
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States855 Posts
June 08 2010 05:32 GMT
#244
Maybe no we know why UpMagic always had that slightly crazed sleepless look haha

seriously though, I'm sad I won't ever get to see UpMagic play again D:
Disastorm
Profile Joined January 2008
United States922 Posts
June 08 2010 06:01 GMT
#245
I think the real question is is Kespa going to be around for much longer for this to even matter? Personally, I believe all the players should be given a second chance, so if they really wanted to I imagine they could become SC2 players, unless of course the GOM league also bans them.
"Don't worry so much man. There won't be any more zergs left to QQ. Lots of QQ about TvT is incoming though I bet." - Vrok 9/21/10
Plethora
Profile Joined July 2007
United States206 Posts
June 08 2010 06:05 GMT
#246
On June 08 2010 14:32 Thesecretaznman wrote:
Maybe no we know why UpMagic always had that slightly crazed sleepless look haha

seriously though, I'm sad I won't ever get to see UpMagic play again D:


Me too... of course, UpMagic often seemed to lose games where he had a clear lead. I can't help but suspect that all those times I got pissed because he threw games away, that he literally was throwing the game away. =/
... Still like Brood War better... lol
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 08 2010 06:14 GMT
#247
By.1st never got on TV, wonder how he cheated.
Zutta
Profile Joined May 2010
United States102 Posts
June 08 2010 06:55 GMT
#248
Notice how they're all terran and zergs us toss players are honorable gamers
eye for an eye
Radio.active
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States121 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 06:56:08
June 08 2010 06:55 GMT
#249
god damn, how the mighty have fallen, 3 champions are banned

Hwasin
Luxury
and of course Savior.

Truely dark times for the esports community.
-_-
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
June 08 2010 07:28 GMT
#250
>.>'ing still...
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51503 Posts
June 08 2010 07:53 GMT
#251
On June 08 2010 15:14 zulu_nation8 wrote:
By.1st never got on TV, wonder how he cheated.


probably was one of the instigators or bet on some of the games
Commentator
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
June 08 2010 08:10 GMT
#252
Savior...Yellow...Luxury...Hwasin...

Holy shit...can't believe there were that many big names involved in this...and to imagine they're gonna lose all their titles and we'll never see them play again... O_O
Nimzo_
Profile Joined March 2010
England3 Posts
June 08 2010 08:39 GMT
#253
Will the banned players have to serve any jail time? If so how long?
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
June 08 2010 09:07 GMT
#254
On June 08 2010 17:39 Nimzo_ wrote:
Will the banned players have to serve any jail time? If so how long?

I really hope not. That seems WAY too harsh.
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
June 08 2010 09:24 GMT
#255
On June 08 2010 15:01 Disastorm wrote:
I think the real question is is Kespa going to be around for much longer for this to even matter? Personally, I believe all the players should be given a second chance, so if they really wanted to I imagine they could become SC2 players, unless of course the GOM league also bans them.


1) I doubt kespa will be going anywhere, don't be so quick to dismiss them and think that blizzard will have full control over everything.

2) No sponsor or team will touch these players, as it would tarnish the dignity of the team. This applies to SC2 just as it does for SC1. These players are done.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
PaddyPower
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom82 Posts
June 08 2010 10:20 GMT
#256
On June 08 2010 18:24 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 15:01 Disastorm wrote:
I think the real question is is Kespa going to be around for much longer for this to even matter? Personally, I believe all the players should be given a second chance, so if they really wanted to I imagine they could become SC2 players, unless of course the GOM league also bans them.


1) I doubt kespa will be going anywhere, don't be so quick to dismiss them and think that blizzard will have full control over everything.

2) No sponsor or team will touch these players, as it would tarnish the dignity of the team. This applies to SC2 just as it does for SC1. These players are done.



Wrong >> example "dwain chambers"! english runner took steroids (thats probly even worse then throwing a game in my honest oppinion because hes doing something illigal to make himself better.. not worse...) And long as he runs fast people will always find a sponsor end of story, if he was a slow runner thats another topic, but indeed if these players "play" well enough in sc2 i have little doubt they will find a place to go where the pay is marginal.
i r pro
Xeln4g4
Profile Joined January 2005
Italy1209 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 10:49:52
June 08 2010 10:46 GMT
#257
Protoss PURITY FTW!

This is also a message to those that believe that cheaters should have other chances ... learn from Kespa ... ZERO TOLERANCE.

There are also big names, this is really sad.
FakeKisser
Profile Joined September 2008
United States159 Posts
June 08 2010 10:48 GMT
#258
Wow. That list is a bit shocking. Very sad, but I hope the scene grows from this experience. I think it will...
"Every generation needs a revolution" - Thomas Jefferson
olof
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden254 Posts
June 08 2010 11:09 GMT
#259
On June 08 2010 07:16 catabowl wrote:
Hopefully we can all move on from this. I wonder if the World Cyber Games will strip (Z)Luxury of his WCG bronze now and (T)Hwasin of his WCG gold?

Hwasin doesn't have a WCG gold, but Luxury does. I'm guessing that you're thinking about the korean qualifiers which are the ones listed in TLPD.

I think the decision is correct. Too bad our european scene is too small and way to forgiving, we could have cleaned out a handful and badmannered kids to make it more professional. (regarding our previous wc3 and now our sc2 scene)
hi man O_O
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
June 08 2010 12:02 GMT
#260
On June 08 2010 19:20 PaddyPower wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 18:24 moopie wrote:
On June 08 2010 15:01 Disastorm wrote:
I think the real question is is Kespa going to be around for much longer for this to even matter? Personally, I believe all the players should be given a second chance, so if they really wanted to I imagine they could become SC2 players, unless of course the GOM league also bans them.


1) I doubt kespa will be going anywhere, don't be so quick to dismiss them and think that blizzard will have full control over everything.

2) No sponsor or team will touch these players, as it would tarnish the dignity of the team. This applies to SC2 just as it does for SC1. These players are done.



Wrong >> example "dwain chambers"! english runner took steroids (thats probly even worse then throwing a game in my honest oppinion because hes doing something illigal to make himself better.. not worse...) And long as he runs fast people will always find a sponsor end of story, if he was a slow runner thats another topic, but indeed if these players "play" well enough in sc2 i have little doubt they will find a place to go where the pay is marginal.


Good luck finding a team that will take Savior after causing the biggest disgrace to esports in years. And no, I don't think that taking steroids is worse than throwing a game for money. The only way they will get anywhere with sc2 if they wanted to would be internet tournaments. I still don't think they'll even try. They have been shamed by this, and they will likely move on with their lives and pursue other things (like school, joining family businesses, etc).
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
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