EPTAt least someone's doing the right thing. If he comes clean and it was only a few matches I don't see why he couldn't return after a certain period. Whether he wants to is something else entirely.
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
At least someone's doing the right thing. If he comes clean and it was only a few matches I don't see why he couldn't return after a certain period. Whether he wants to is something else entirely. | ||
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Piste
6183 Posts
On May 17 2010 22:12 Silentness wrote: yep a female friend of mine lived with her parents until she got married. Her dad cried when she left the house lolz. He didn't want her to get married... ________________ ON TOPIC: I knew Luxury was taking bribes. The way he loses makes him look like he's on crack or something. Husky wasn't making jokes about Luxury "running coke lines" for nothing. Yeah and his facial expressions were so unnatural. I never liked this guy. | ||
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Fumi
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 17 2010 14:55 O-ops wrote: Let me explain this for you really fucking slowly so you could understand: NO...ONE...IS...DENYING...HIS...SKILL...AT...THE...GAME...OR...HIS...PAST...ACHIEVEMENTS And for that matter, no one is saying the world is all sunshines and daisies either. No one here gives a shit if Savior's an alcoholic or a womanizer (rekrul would love it if that's the case lol), but what Savior was doing is FUCKING PISSING on the those who worked so hard to make the sport what it's like today, by abusing his position to sell matches and get other players in on it. The Maradona examples that you used has NOTHING compare to what he did. So he did some drugs that cost him his career. Tough shit. I don't care, and i will always be one of his fan because of the sheer skill the man once had. What Savior did was (and i will do this slowly): FUCKING...EVERY...ONE...OVER...TO...GET...RICH Now, everyone has his reason, and i will not judge him on that or call him scum. My position (and maybe a lot of other TLers) is this: I will not root for him, or any other caught cheaters, because they had illegitimate the one thing that many of us has come here for: Professional Starcraft. This is what the guy above you was trying to say, but you were too hung on one goddamn pointless point (lol) to listen. And, from the way you represented your one point on that post i first quoted, it sounds like this: HE CAN BEAT YOU SO HE'S OKAY HERP DERP DERP And that's why I jumped it because it is so fucking retarded! I'd reply, but since I got a warning for much milder comments and you get away scot-free with this, it appears to me a mod has taken a side in this argument and doesn't quite agree with me. Speaking my mind on this issue isn't worth a ban on this site. | ||
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ooni
Australia1498 Posts
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
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KristianJS
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[QUOTE]On May 17 2010 20:05 Firebolt145 wrote: [QUOTE]On May 17 2010 20:01 anyname wrote: Tybe-B admited his fault and apologized in his cyworld.[/QUOTE] What's a cyworld? Korean version of Facebook/Myspace? Could you possibly translate his statement?[/QUOTE] [img]/staff/konadora/typebcyworldapology.jpg[/img] [quote]"I am sorry. Due to a hasty mistake, I have disappointed many people. I have nothing to say on this matter, and I do not have any intention of being forgiven. I will be entering military service on the 31st of May, and it seems like I am running away from the truth. I can only say that I will do my best to reflect on my actions and to be discharged as a better, more rationale person. I am truly sorry once again." - Mun "type-b" Sung Jin[/quote][/QUOTE Wow, is this gonna be the beginning of a many more public apologies? Thanks for translating... | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 17 2010 23:11 StorkHwaiting wrote: Zato, when someone's flaw is directly related to what was supposed to be good about them, it kind of invalidates their good. Like if someone is admired for being charitable, but then you find out they're just laundering drug money through charity funds. So him dropping games invalidates all those games he won? I don't see the relation. Edit: I'd agree with you if he had instead paid his opponents to drop games against him. As it is, though, he earned all his victories, and that makes them legit in my mind. I still wouldn't choose him as my role model though. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 17 2010 23:29 StorkHwaiting wrote: The cheating doesn't invalidate Savior's previous wins. What it does is destroy all the regard people have for him as a pro-gamer, because PRO-gamers don't do shit like that. They are supposed to get paid to play the game, not throw the game. So yeah, you can respect Savior for winning some games in the past, but you can't respect him as a pro-gamer anymore. Now this I can agree with. I never even liked the guy- I'm just playing devil's advocate because since his fall from grace, a lot of accusations have been thrown at him, and some (but not all) of those I consider unfair. A thief isn't automatically also a rapist, murderer and a child molester, so to say. | ||
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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On May 17 2010 23:29 StorkHwaiting wrote: The cheating doesn't invalidate Savior's previous wins. What it does is destroy all the regard people have for him as a pro-gamer, because PRO-gamers don't do shit like that. They are supposed to get paid to play the game, not throw the game. So yeah, you can respect Savior for winning some games in the past, but you can't respect him as a pro-gamer anymore. I think I agree. I don't respect him much as a person and I thought the part about skimming other people's money off the bribes was pretty bad. But as a progamer he was still pretty epic. I'd be more upset if he'd cheated because that would have given him an advantage to win the game. He threw games for money. Not very respectable but doesn't take away from his legacy, just his reputation. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32157 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 17 2010 23:40 aka_star wrote: can't believe these guys, its sad what the love for money does to our soul. I disagree with this. We don't love money, we want the things money can buy. The fact that Savior (and several others) were willing to screw over their coaches, their fans and their team in order to buy more and better things speaks volumes about their moral character- this isn't corruption by money, it's selfish people betraying others' trust and screwing them over to get ahead. It's not very nice. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17821 Posts
On May 17 2010 23:19 Zato-1 wrote: So him dropping games invalidates all those games he won? I don't see the relation. Edit: I'd agree with you if he had instead paid his opponents to drop games against him. As it is, though, he earned all his victories, and that makes them legit in my mind. I still wouldn't choose him as my role model though. The relation is that if he has been dropping games, you start to wonder if others weren't doing that too in games against him. When you're found cheating once, all of your previous and further actions automatically receive a certain degree of doubt. | ||
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unionbank
Australia666 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33671 Posts
On May 17 2010 23:36 Zato-1 wrote: Now this I can agree with. I never even liked the guy- I'm just playing devil's advocate because since his fall from grace, a lot of accusations have been thrown at him, and some (but not all) of those I consider unfair. A thief isn't automatically also a rapist, murderer and a child molester, so to say. "just playing devil's advocate" = trolling please stop. | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On May 17 2010 23:19 Zato-1 wrote: So him dropping games invalidates all those games he won? I don't see the relation. Edit: I'd agree with you if he had instead paid his opponents to drop games against him. As it is, though, he earned all his victories, and that makes them legit in my mind. I still wouldn't choose him as my role model though. Does Nixon's Watergate scandal invalidate all the good he's done as President, including opening up international relations with China? No, but the former does cause everyone to lose all respect for Nixon. TL has a reputation for being very unforgiving with abusers and cheaters. F91 was punished severely for abusing 2-3 games in TSL, even though he is an incredibly good player and was one of a few players that people thought had a chance of winning the tournament. He "had to" do it because if he wasn't in first seed he would not have made it outside China in time to play his TSL qualifiers, but that doesn't mean TL's just gonna let it slide. If Boxer was caught maphacking even once to some B-teamer, he too would lose much of his respect among his fans. It's no different in Savior's case. | ||
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