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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
January 19 2010 16:32 GMT
#161
Idle Larvae

Must keep 1 larva at every hatchery idle at all times
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Heaven.ReV
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway86 Posts
January 19 2010 16:37 GMT
#162
On January 20 2010 01:24 Mortician wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2010 01:16 Heaven.ReV wrote:
He might have a little hard time against the C/C+ gamers in ZvT but I doubt he'll have much trouble in ZvZ and ZvP without them.


Hell no, lurkers have proven to be irreplaceable part of the Zerg arsenal, especially in ZvZ. I mean...you ought to be trolling, I can't see how somebody can write such bullshit


ah, haha, sorry, I thought you were serious when you wrote that first part - my bad
Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-19 16:48:21
January 19 2010 16:47 GMT
#163
On January 20 2010 01:32 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Idle Larvae

Must keep 1 larva at every hatchery idle at all times


That will be like...impossible to manage

On January 20 2010 01:37 Heaven.ReV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2010 01:24 Mortician wrote:
On January 20 2010 01:16 Heaven.ReV wrote:
He might have a little hard time against the C/C+ gamers in ZvT but I doubt he'll have much trouble in ZvZ and ZvP without them.


Hell no, lurkers have proven to be irreplaceable part of the Zerg arsenal, especially in ZvZ. I mean...you ought to be trolling, I can't see how somebody can write such bullshit


ah, haha, sorry, I thought you were serious when you wrote that first part - my bad



np ^_^
"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
Origine
Profile Joined January 2010
France167 Posts
January 19 2010 17:13 GMT
#164
ID : DA]Origine
RACE : Protoss
RANK : C+
LINK : http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/DA]Origine.html
https://twitter.com/thomAufresne
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
January 19 2010 17:36 GMT
#165
On January 19 2010 23:16 konadora wrote:
I SHALL TRY AGAIN, PHOLON!!!

iCCup ID: Konata.Izumi
Link: http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/Konata.Izumi.html
Race: Pride of War - Terran
Rank: C-/C

Also, map submission:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=102533

Agnidev (right at the bottom of first post)

Handicap: You ain't no Maestro
- No defilers


Uh oh... Gonna get another BO loss eh?
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
synergis
Profile Joined April 2009
Poland19 Posts
January 19 2010 18:53 GMT
#166
synergis
Protoss
D
http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/Synergis.html
Heaven.ReV
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway86 Posts
January 19 2010 20:12 GMT
#167
Handicap: He MUST go 12 hatch. Should make it quite hard in ZvZ, make it more predictable for Terrans and Protosses (i.e. don't have to scout half the map before putting down the nexus and worst case, having made a forge first) as well as it'll be harder to defend against any cheese.
eagle
Profile Joined April 2009
United States693 Posts
January 19 2010 20:21 GMT
#168
thats not even a handicap ;d
Heaven.ReV
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway86 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-19 20:30:26
January 19 2010 20:29 GMT
#169
Of course it's a handicap but I'll agree that it's not a handicap bad enough to be of real entertainment or make it any easier to beat him except if people do some cheesy stuff.
Vykenos
Profile Joined September 2009
United States56 Posts
January 19 2010 20:48 GMT
#170
How about no rally points as a handicap?
The Mothership has been altered to be sleeker and more visually appealing, and has been renamed to the Cougarship. The Cougarship will gravitate toward enemy units that have been in play for 18-21 minutes and bring them back to nearest friendly base.
radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
January 19 2010 21:01 GMT
#171
NeSym[SAM]
D+
Terran
http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/NeSym[sam].html
Flash returns...
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
January 19 2010 21:13 GMT
#172
On January 20 2010 05:48 Vykenos wrote:
How about no rally points as a handicap?

Definitely a fan of no rally points. With hatcheries all over the place, it makes it harder. However, if a hatchery cap is in place, then it's not much use.
God Bless
peacenl
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
550 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-19 21:16:16
January 19 2010 21:14 GMT
#173
iCCup: peacenl
Rank: D
Race: Zerg
http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/peacenl.html
- One does not simply walk into a bar and start calling the shots.
- Failure doesn't mean you are a failure it just means you haven't succeeded yet.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
January 19 2010 21:46 GMT
#174
On January 20 2010 06:13 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2010 05:48 Vykenos wrote:
How about no rally points as a handicap?

Definitely a fan of no rally points. With hatcheries all over the place, it makes it harder. However, if a hatchery cap is in place, then it's not much use.


Keep in mind that not all handicaps will be picked and he won't even have half of them until the end.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
January 19 2010 22:23 GMT
#175
On January 20 2010 06:46 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2010 06:13 Roffles wrote:
On January 20 2010 05:48 Vykenos wrote:
How about no rally points as a handicap?

Definitely a fan of no rally points. With hatcheries all over the place, it makes it harder. However, if a hatchery cap is in place, then it's not much use.


Keep in mind that not all handicaps will be picked and he won't even have half of them until the end.

Quite obviously it's going to be randomized and not all of them are going to be used. But if the combo ever arises, then there's not much difference with the handicap.
God Bless
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
January 19 2010 23:11 GMT
#176
On January 20 2010 00:31 tissue wrote:
Problem with many of the handicaps suggested is they look fine alone, but stacking them may turn out to be extremely restrictive. Also as a viewer I would prefer handicaps that encourage creative play, but not to the extent that all they do is completely rule out a couple of strategies, funneling the poor guy into just a single subset of builds, like outlawing or heavily restricting muta/defiler would definitely push him towards an early/midgame allin ling or hydra break, resulting in an outmicroed opponent gg-ing

This is what I keep saying to him.

On January 20 2010 00:41 Heaven.ReV wrote:
Do you really think a gamer of his caliber will have any problem beating a D-C gamer without mutas or defiler? The handicaps will only make the games slightly more exciting but it'll most likely end up in Geoff winning, regardless of handicap.

The handicaps stack so he might have no mutas, defilers, sunken colonies and then be capped with the number of hatcheries - that is going to pressure anyone.
Gaming videos for fun ~ http://www.youtube.com/user/WijLopenLos
preacha
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway210 Posts
January 19 2010 23:48 GMT
#177
what is "townhallcap"?
dont pet a burning dog
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 20 2010 00:20 GMT
#178
a really big and heavy hat I have to wear while playing.
Jusse
Profile Joined January 2007
Norway3 Posts
January 20 2010 00:28 GMT
#179
Handicaps:

I like the idea of race spesific handicaps, 'cause i dont think inc will have problems not using lurkers in a ZvZ or ZvP against a D,C player.

ZvP: No hydra upgrades(speed, range)
ZvZ: No speed for lings
ZvT: No lurkers
annYeong(o11)
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada784 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-20 01:31:51
January 20 2010 01:10 GMT
#180
Handicaps:

1) Literal Torture. Muted game sounds, and being forced to listen to this

the entire time. A vent stream could be set up with someone listening in to see if it's playing.

2) Ventrilo harassment, some douche gets on a vent stream with him and lets loose with Rick Rolls, Barrel Roll, Girugamesh, and every other fail meme they can think of.

3) Abortionist forced to cancel every third unit, don't really see how this is monitorable though
Founder of the KiWiKaKi Fanclub: teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188537 my keyboard is like half broken. like terran. please ignore typos, thanks
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