EPT[GG] Red Army Mafia
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However, a couple of things I'd like to say. First of all, we aren't having any of that dumb shit clue analysis. Stuff it. You start posting a ton of clue analysis with no solid leads to the person aka name calling and you're rocketing up my suspect list. I will catch you. We don't have time for every Johnny Cumbucket to show up with their "analysis" which is not only usually wrong but doesn't even directly call the person out so they just ignore it. Don't do it. Everyone is going to call for lynching inactives - duh. Ever since I did it in Mafia 2 it's been "the easy fallback plan". Needless to say I'd rather have people that are well known, good solid players. If you are unknown to the game you better come up with some off the wall shit none of us could top to convince people to vote for you. Lastly, remember this game is more than abotu what you know - it's about what you can convince people of. With this in mind DO NOT tell people your roles!. The town keeps losing because idiots keep telling on themselves, and then the role gets leaked to the Mafia and everyone cries boo hoo he was blue sniped - no, he was an idiot. Don't do it. | ||
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There's also something I thought about. Look at that rule set. Mafia is supremely fucked. Remember the main advantage Mafia has over the town is that they know who each other are ahead of time and can kill at night much better than the town. Also they have to kill enough of us under a time limit - lol. This is such a fucked condition for them. Look at it like this: Mafia can essentially choose to Role Check OR Kill. See the problem? They don't know each other. The optimal move would be for all of them to role check people hoping they get lucky to land some mafia. However this conflicts with their win condition - if they don't kill enough of us in time we automatically win. So they really do need to start killing asap. Problem is when they start killing not only do they leave clues to themselves but they might hit another mafia. So they do need to investigate. ^_^ The Army has a really good starting stronghold - Mafia have to pick one of those abilities individually each night and both abilities contradict the other early in the game. I'm betting on mafia investigating on Night 1 instead of all going around popping people in fear of hitting each other. Now for our side we have it pretty simple. We have all the classic Mafia game roles: DT,Medic,Vet,Vigi + a suicide bomber. Unlike them our win condition is more about survival than outright killing all of them. This game we shouldn't be too worried about killing everything that moves - this means no dumb lynches just because a guy has 1 or 2 clues tied to him. Sure we can make mistakes but if we don't lynch it's really not a big deal as we win by surviving also. | ||
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In fact even if it did - why are you guys doing clue analysis? @Ver: if someone gets blue sniped it's because they are dumb, not because someone figured it out reading their posts(unless they intentionally did it). | ||
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On July 29 2009 15:56 So no fek wrote: Mainly because the last few games always have the [No Clue Area] text, if there aren't any clues. So it's possible that there aren't any clues, but likely there is. Maybe it would be best to have Caller verify. yep we'll wait for him to verify. Either way I don't trust anyone's clue analysis until I see the Night 1 post. | ||
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Also I don't believe we have vote checks this game. It's a pretty broken ability imo and I'm glad we don't have it as it makes people pay attention more in order to win the game. | ||
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People being cautious with their vote but posting in the thread are almost always suspect as they are waiting on others to vote. True townies, especially the really good ones tend to be really straight forward with their votes and have some solid reasoning to back it up. Likewise they aren't afraid of being questioned on why they did it. So this game I'll be taking things a bit more seriously (lol) and anyone playing dumb is instantly suspect. Let the Ukrainian rape machine commence. | ||
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1.) You say you're so sure you'd be dead tomorrow - how? Thats just really out of the blue bs as no one knows you and you haven't posted anything that could get you killed at the moment. 2.) You have some grand plan - great. If you were so sure you'd be dead why would you hide it? If the plan is really that good why not tell us, get yourself elected and live a bit longer? Some of us aren't stupid enough to elect some guy and then wait to hear his plan - tell us now or give up hope of being elected. 3.) Why would an NKVD Agent want to disguise them self as Ukrainian? That would lead to them getting killed if they got role checked. I'm hoping they really aren't that bad. Sure they could take the chance a Mafia checks them and hey they are in the Mafia circle - but when their kills don't sync up that same night what do you think happens? :/ 4.) For someone who "knows a lot of shit and has a quick mind" you've already made a huge mistake. You propose that you will lynch at random. Oh really? So instead of trying to glean more information by questioning suspects you'd rather spin the wheel and see who it lands on? Oh how is that different that a townie that randomly votes for whomever they feel like? Why would we want you as Field Marshal? You'd be pretty useless. 5.) Lastly, going with the someone who has a quick mind idea...why would you spread your votes out to townies? You don't know if they are Ukrainian scum or not so how will you know they are using their votes with pro-town(Army) benefits in mind? You don't because even if you were an NKVD Agent I doubt you'd investigate all 3 of them in time to know. Hence, it's a bad idea to do so. | ||
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Also I'll never vote for a guy who says he's going to use me and doesn't even have a plan. Sorry ^_^ | ||
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On July 30 2009 01:20 Caller wrote: ![[image loading]](http://www.robertamsterdam.com/arrest_540.jpg) URGENT ARREST It has come to our attention that we have American spies in our midst. Fortunately, the NKVD has provided us with the information we need to take them out. As of 19 minutes ago, the NKVD has arrested Foolishness and MountainDew for espionage and treason. They will be taken in front of a people's court, where they will bear the full wrath of the Soviet People, and where justice will be delivered. lolololololololololol | ||
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On July 30 2009 02:06 ~OpZ~ wrote: I agree with Coltrane...Although it further annoys are NKVD's making all their role checks questionable....But chance wise, I'm sure we have a small number of NKVD's than Ukranian Rebels...but at any rate, I support the whole, "show as ukranian, use all your checks, tell us all, then march to KIEV" attitude. I mean after the all the checks, you kinda don't have too much of a special role anymore... + Show Spoiler [NKVD Agent Role] + NKVD Agent:You are proud member of People’s Commissariat of the Interior! You search for corrupt rebels once per night, either by tracking the foul capitalist smell of the clues they leave behind, or by contacting NKVD HQ for a role check on a suspicious individual. Be warned, you cannot contact NKVD more than 3 times, they are very busy! You also can disguise your role as NKVD agent to rolechecks, and may change role or keep the same So I'd assume by night 3 all role checks could be used, we'd know more and have a safe list. And Caller didn't restrict role changes/role checks to separate nights like some DT style actions do. Sure, sure, there are holes that need refining but just my outline of a plan to find out more. Edit: Would it matter to lose them after they've used all of their abilities? Just putting it bluntly, after that time period they're only useful if they provide good clue analysis. (Which given the huge hint of knowing they should anyway) But they have no more reason to be targeted based on role, so coming out after that point shouldn't get them killed flat out, seeing as its a waste. So yea, the gains outweigh the losses. Smaller number of NKVD agents than Ukranians, I'm sure, wait til all three rolechecks are used, then...kill someone on the list... this is all wrong  If an KNVD agent poses as a Ukrainian not only do they risk getting killed by a role check from a legit DT, but they also have to hope a Ukrainian checks them. Let's assume this worst case scenario indeed does go right - they get in with a Ukrainian. That night they send in their hits and the KNVD agent's hit doesn't go through - oh shit? Are you going to say he was a Vet/protted especially if it was a random target? How about the fact that no clues seem to point towards you? So you end up dying and trade yourself for 1 mafia, when if you just did it straight RC wise you'd get a Mafia for free. That idea is just dumb. It also doesn't matter if DTs could use up all their RCs - they will always be useful because the Ukrainians won't know IF they indeed have used up all their RCs. | ||
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Now we also would have to deal with a situation where if every time someone gets Rolechecked and flips Ukrainian they just say "I'm an NKVD agent, I was just posing as a Rebel". Now what do we do? Wait a day and RC him AGAIN? Sweet, we waste another day and he kills again that night. We've just once again traded 1-1 or even 2-1 for a Rebel. That's not a good idea. In both scenarios the Red Army comes out fucked. You've been drinking too much Spetnaz Vodka. | ||
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Basically you'll want to backlog everyone thats investigated for the sake of "ok, lets hope this guy is Ukrainian and dumb enough to work in the best interest of the town" when he'll just lie about everything and you are right back where you started - no reliable info and you let a Rebel live for 2 days. Come on, lets not assume the Ukrainians are all morons who will just do whatever we say and then get themselves killed. | ||
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Think of it like the "lynch anyone claiming DT on Day 1 idea". The basis is that nothing the DT says on Day 1 can be proven or disproven. So you just kill them anyway no matter what. Good players knowing this then just realize if you are a DT it's better to breadcrumb your posts or wait for Day 2 with more evidence to roelclaim because now you can be held liable. Likewise in this game anyone claiming to be an NKVD agent dressed as a Rebel can't be proven at all unless we wait a day. The downside of course is that if he's a real NKVD agent he'll be killed asap and if he isn't we just let a Rebel live an extra night. Also remember the Rebels do not know each other - so if the NKVD is trying to infiltrate something what the hell is he going to learn? Once again lets assume our enemies aren't morons and won't just go o hai, this is everyone who's a Rebel lol want some krishnikov ice cream? | ||
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ETA: Once again let's assume our enemies aren't stupid. How is an NKVD Agent going to get into the Rebel organization? | ||
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On July 30 2009 04:48 Zato-1 wrote: The NKVD agent who came up with the RC contacts the suspect personally, and the Field Marshall as well. Nothing has to be said publicly so the Ukranians won't suspect him. How do you suppose the rebels will form an organization in the first place? They RC people, and if they turn up as rebels, they get added to the rebel network. If the NKVD agent is posing as a rebel, then the rebels either don't organize themselves at all, OR they accept anyone who comes up as a rebel in a RC into their organization- they have no other way of telling if any given person is a rebel or not. Yes they do - the hit list. If I were Ukrainian and I RC'd someoen and they came up as a Rebel the first thing I'd ask is who did they kill the previous nights. An NKVD agent has no idea who the Ukrainian knows at that point, so they'd have to lie. A real Rebel of course has nothing to hide and will tell the truth. If it was an NKVD agent asking them they'd tell who they killed anyway because if it goes to shit they themselves can also say they are just an NKVD agent posing as a Rebel - now how do you sort through the liars? Come on, think of this as if both sides wanted to stay alive for as long as possible. You are literally giving people way too many outs to lie from and that isn't good when the safest plan is just don't pose as a Rebel. | ||
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Both of them will claim to be NKVD agents undercover, and it's damn near possible both really are - what are you going to do? Think the entire scenario out or just read my last post. Seriously you guys are starting to remind me of the town when Qatol was Mayor. | ||
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On July 30 2009 05:07 coltrane wrote: Ace, really you dont make any single good point at this. If there are 9 rebels and 6 agents one of them being RC tonight and death tomorrow is MUCH posible. We act on behavioral things mostly, mafia doesnt, they will start sweeping first and will kill anyone who they find that is not on their team. If they are not confident of one of their own then they have to use another night checking. To RC is not a good way of checking, cause NKVD will still appear Ukranian, even after his dts are gone. The best way could be setting up a killing, and that may require 2 nights instead of one. So by claming to be ukranians they win at least 1 night, sometimes 2 and could be more. Under this conditions i would suggest ANYONE who could appear to be ukranian to do so, and i would say NKVD shouldnt be on the office. Given the rule set we have the chance to screw their ability to propper rolecheck, wtf lets do it. And yes, wont be easy, but our DT would have for sure at least 1 confirmed townie where to deliver his info. The thing is he doesnt need to get into. If they think he could me ukranian he will still have an extra night and even when he is rolechecked and dont get info about it is even more the info that ukranians lose. no | ||
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This is why you won't be elected. You can't even think through the most basic of scenarios. | ||
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But if all of them are undercover and an NKVD agent checks another NKVD agent the guy flips Rebel. So now we are about to lynch 2 NKVD Agents. Of course the same exact thing happens if an NKVD Agent RCs a Rebel. Of course it's even worse this time because the NKVD Agent will be killed immediately assuming the Ukrainians aren't stupid. They don't have to RC him right away - just ask him who he killed previously and who he will kill the next night. In both situations the NKVD agent loses or everyone has an option to lie that takes even more time to disprove. No one has yet to answer how you sort through the liars because there is the case that both people are telling the truth, both are innocent but since both of them went undercover they both appear guilty. Ukrainians win. | ||
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On July 30 2009 05:37 L wrote: \ As for Ace's last post: you've essentially summed up why our DTs are going to want to play rebel (ALL OF THEM). If we can make it very hard for mafia to team up, we force mafia self-killing. Any NKVD agent that gets into a ring gains a huge amount of information, and our risk/reward goes from 1 NKVD:1Ukranian to 1NKVD:1Ring. The slower mafia play, and the more information they gather, the more we would want our DTs rolling rebel. The only possible shit-scenario would be NKVD finding each other, but that's where people need to bust out their behavioral analysis hats and get to work. come on L, let's be serious here. In fact assume I'm a Ukrainian Rebel and you're an NKVD agent. do you REALLY think you'd ever successfully convince me you really are a Rebel and that you could get me to give up information about what I know and then get me lynched? The plan only works assuming our enemies are completely fucking stupid. I'm not playing the game based on that because it's an epic fail. Watch the NKVD agents all try it and all die. I guarantee it if the Rebels are even half competent. | ||
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On July 30 2009 05:39 Scamp wrote: Well that situation of the two NKVD agents targeting each other would be unfortunate but unlikely. Besides, the point isn't to take out one Ukranian. The point is to infiltrate a group in order to take out a bunch of them. I don't think I'd want to start hitting people if I were in a Ukranian group of two or three, so getting "confirmed" by killing someone wouldn't be a problem until later. Impossible to call. No idea how the NKVD agents individually select who they want to Role Check. you can't get IN the group - that's the problem. Once again think of it basically like this: Ace - NKVD Agent Scamp - Ukrainian Rebel Ace - o hai scamp, I checked you out. You're Rebel, so am I! <3 Scamp - o ok. cool. This is L and coltrane, their rebels too. Sup? Ace - lol newbs I'm an Agent. GG. Do you really think you'd do that? or is it more like this: Ace -o hai scamp, I checked you out. You're Rebel, so am I! <3 Scamp - that's nice hoe. Who did you kill last night? Ace - oh I killed...um...Foolishness. (I have no idea who really did so I'm guessing) Scamp(who knows the truth because he knows who killed Foolishness) - o ok. Well I can't trust you yet so who are you going to kill tomorrow night? Ace - um...I'll kill LucasWoj! Scamp - ok well when Lucas shows up dead I'll let you know! 2 problems already fucks the Agent over: I die immediately because Scamp knows the truth and kills me. I survive till the next day but Lucas doesn't die unless I get super lucky. If he doesn't I'm killed. The best I could do is roleclaim to the town that I'm an NKVD agent and found Scamp. Scamp of course says he's also an NKVD Agent and was undercover also. How do you sort through the liars? Even worse - what if Scamp really is an NKVD agent. Come on, I know what I'm talking about here. You guys are assuming the Rebels are so dumb as not to ask 2 simple questions which would destroy any NKVD agent without a lot of information ahead of time. | ||
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On July 30 2009 05:56 L wrote: There won't be networks if all the NKVD are posing as rebels. That's the entire point. By the time ukranians can successfully check themselves, we'll be on day 3 and their time limit will be blowing by. Similarly, Ace's theory that a Ukranian can ask for prior kill and future kill is substantially harmed by the fact that the prior kill doesn't exist due to the fact that the "Rebel" used a check the night before, and that a medic can catch the following hit. If any of that 'luck' happens, we have 2 ukranians who essentially kill themselves for us. BANG! Got ya. And if the "Rebel" used a check the Night before why would the real Rebel even entertain the thought of talking to him since he can't be confirmed? ^_^ See, I'm always right. Just accept it. | ||
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On July 30 2009 06:01 Falcynn wrote: Yeah, since I'm not sure if I was clear enough, I'm going to try to detail this better. NKVD should disguise themselves as Ukrainians This is good because it'll force the Ukrainians to be more careful about who they trust, stalling any form of organization between them for at least a few days. The only drawback to this is if an NKVD targets another NKVD, which is fairly unlikely, but if it does happen it shouldn't be too disastrous because... NKVD should not try to infiltrate the network This is a waste of time, because the Ukrainians have enough methods at their disposal to verify Ukrainians within a day. If an NKVD agent comes out to a Ukrainian, then they have roughly 1 day left to live. If they're that suicidal, they may as well just open up to the town and pray for medic protection. They should simply disguise as Ukrainian, then continue playing as if this was any other mafia game by subtly trying to sway the towns opinion with what they find out rather than trying to come out in the open. Imo NKVD Agents should disguise themselves as Towny and then play as a normal DT would. No need to expose themselves - just build a case against Rebels and smash them when the time is right. Everyone wants to be hero and ends up just another dead body when they try some clever plan with a big gaping hole in it :/ The town already has an insane advantage - why piss it away with risky moves. | ||
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On July 30 2009 06:11 L wrote: EXACTLY. SO NOW REAL REBELS CANT ORGANIZE UNTIL DAY 3-4, POSSIBLY LATER IF THEY CHECK NON-REBEL TARGETS. At which point we can switch NKVD agents to all vigilantes if we want and proceed from there. Rules aren't clear on when/how/how many rolecheck masks our agents can use, but if they can change them post start, we're 100% fine. Even then, trading a single Dt for a single mafia at days 3-4 is fantastic trade given they have 1 kp/day (depending on how many there are). Um...no. The Rebels can certainly organize asap. Hi, who did you kill last night? O no one, cool. I'll wait till tomorrow night. They aren't going to get hasty. You are essentially saying OMG WE CAN PREVENT THEM FROM BEING ORGANIZED! when it just costs us some Agents. When the total number of roles in the game is revealed then they all know o ok, there's only 1 or 2 left. Time to start getting trigger happy. It's never a good idea trading 1 for 1 in a game when no one can be confirmed. Ever. | ||
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On July 30 2009 06:12 L wrote: Basically you've admitted mafia have no information, but you want ukranians to be able to check NKVD agents and see a blue/green and KNOW there's a safe kill target, and KNOW rebels are actually rebels. C'mon Ace, keep the story straight. Those are your tips. Follow them :3. If Agents are always green why would the Rebels kill them every time when every game peopel have been bitching about blue hunting? Makes no sense. My story is always straight. Just like the other game when you were wrong about my allegiance. I'm always right, just face it. :/ | ||
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On July 30 2009 06:15 Scamp wrote: Ace your scenerio is if an NKVD agent finds a Ukranian. But we're talking about the NKVD posing as a Ukranian. Also, what about counter-proof? I like how I have all the power in that argument and I don't have to prove myself at all. But wait, are we all agreed now that every NKVD should list themselves as Ukranian? I think it sounds that way. whats the argument. Prove it. | ||
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On July 30 2009 06:20 Scamp wrote: Um...I thought the proof is that any NKVD agent listing himself as anything else isn't really helpful. Why isn't it? If he lists himself as a plain towny he might not get hit, as it's been shown Mafia players for some odd reason want to ignore greens and hit blue(red this game). If he flips Rebel he will surely be questioned. There's no way around it. Are you telling me the Rebels will RC someone, sees he's Rebel and go nah, better leave that guy alone he might be an NKVD? Of course not, because no matter what if the guy really does flip NKVD the Rebel can also claim he's an NKVD agent undercover. Hence, BOTH of these guys have an out that can't be proven for days. If someone has a legit out in a Mafia game you can't lynch them unless you can prove their out is bullshit and you can't. | ||
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If rebels RC someone who isn't blue, the immediate response is to kill them because they aren't blue. Mafia have a time limit, their weakness is self-killing. the moment they know someone isn't them, he's on the chopping block. Why would i take the effort to RC someone, find out they're not mafia, then NOT kill them? Why would I waste KP like that? Why would you trust anyone that can't answer 2 questions? If you're not a Rebel you're better off hoping they have more targets. If you flip Rebel you WILL be questioned. Once you can't answer those 2 questions you die. There is no escape from that. If the goal is to survive the time limit why are you putting yourself in harm's way?. Just sit tight and don't try and be brave. You can't infiltrate the network, a roleclaim doesn't work and you just die for drawing attention to yourself. Pretty much any townie can be confirmed by a dying NKVD since there is no cover in this game. 1 trade is -1Kp/day if not more. Um...no. If the NKVD agent dies, and says he investigated X all we know is that he really was an Agent. X still has the defense that he was an undercover NKVD Agent also. The dead Agent's death can't confirm or deny this. See, that's the thing, you're assuming that ukranians are going to rolecheck correctly on the first night (because otherwise my day 3-4 timeframe is 100% correct), miss medics/veterans and not kill each other off during that 3 blind night period and hope that NKVD have not identified medics, because if they do they can have themselves protected and give us assured targets. After which, mafia are still behind in information because their rings will be smaller and delayed in being set up. At that point, we can switch our NKVD agents to whatever we want. If we want them to switch green, sure. The chances that someone is RCed twice is hilariously low until the game wears on, and if that's the case, we don't trade 1:1. We trade 3:1 or higher given that ukranian RCs are KILLS DENIED. Not at all. If there is 0 contact between any of them they just keep on RCing. It doesn't matter if they get it on Day 1 or Day 2. It's what happens once the NKVD agent gets confronted - they are dead. They don't even need to care about NKVD Agents finding Medics - why would they? Once they know he's not legit they just tell whoever else they know is Rebel to stack hits on him. He is DEAD. You're logic is also off. How can the Ukrainians be behind in information when they have RCs that are infinite and we have no way of confirming anyone? Eventually they will organize, but trying to stop them from organizing by sacrificing Agents when all we need to do is survive is foolish - ESPECIALLY when they can also claim to be an undercover Agent. The plan is flawed, get over it. Seriously if I was a Rebel this game I'd be praying all the NKVD Agents go undercover, investigate me and present themselves nicely gift wrapped because they have no idea what I know at any point in time. I'd get all of them killed asap and move on with the game. | ||
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On July 30 2009 07:02 L wrote: Basically, if NKVD do not contact their targets as a rule, rebels finding rebels cannot safely talk to each other upon fear of being confirmed blue, while our NKVD are free to check for town aligned players. This also prevents ukranians from mass pming people with "lol i checked you". yes they can. Rebels will always talk to any blue they find. Hence, any NKVD dressed as blue will be contacted whether they want to or not. At this point if you assume everyone followed your rule SURE it confirms the Rebel as guilty BUT the Rebel always has the defense that he is also an undercover NKVD Agent and was contacted first. How do you find out who is the liar? Come on, THINK the entire scenario through and stop assuming everyone is dumb to the point they can't realize they have a simple alibi that fucks the town over. | ||
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On July 30 2009 07:07 coltrane wrote: sorry, but what a pompuos fuck., You should be discussing plans WITH THE TOWN, you are no one, i dont care if you are vet and i am newb, YOU ARE WRONG, YOU ARE DIVIDING THE TOWN, YOUR BEHAVIOR ISNT TO BE TRUSTED. Gonna tell this once again I havent played ever with any of you, and i dont trust anyone and i dont have any prejudgment. I dont care if you are a vet or a newb, and thats exactly why all of you should be voting for me. hows that election going for you? LOL | ||
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TBH that seems like a BS excuse because even if for whatever reason we entertain the possibility that Ace is NKVD and I'm a rebel, why the hell would I blow my identity like that? As a rebel I'd want to stay hidden as long as possible and only attempt to come out when my cover is blown. Because the converse is always true. What if I feel you'd go to the town if I'm not sure of your role and decide to come out first? :/ Ace: Hey, saw you're a rebel, just to make sure, who did you kill last night/who are you going to kill tomorrow? Falcynn: I used a role check last night and found out that (person that I really did role check since I'm NKVD) is green. Tomorrow I'm gonna kill L. *tomorrow comes and goes* Ace: dude, you said you were gonna kill L. Falcynn: fuck man, fucking medic blocked me. You know what, I think I'll role check this next turn blah blah blah. Which at this point means I'd just ignore you or kill you. You said you RC'd someone the night before, and then picked someone who I think both of us would guess had protection. Why would I trust you and keep talking to you? :/ You won't be stalling for long as you'd probably be dead. Besides what confirmed greens would you be passing info on to - remember all you know is me and I could also claim to be an undercover Agent. Remember it's not always about what's true but what you can convince people to believe. | ||
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On July 30 2009 07:20 Falcynn wrote: Also if NKVD follows the advice here and does NOT contact anybody. They can assume that anyone who contacts them is a rebel. But how can they prove it? That's the problem. | ||
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On July 30 2009 09:53 coltrane wrote: Let me do some maths again/// We are 54, how many veterans we have? i would say around 5. If we have 5 NKVD that make 10 of 54 marked as veteran. thats like 3 times they dt a townie, 2 times they dt a rebbel or a dt. That clearly lower the KP in about the same rate than if all NKVD put as vet but it doesnt keep the mafia to find each other. By the other hand the NKVD will be safe for a while, until 2 mafia join up, and then if any one of them made a vet RC before they will join and kill him. That will happen in about 3-4 days, the same rate than if they claim to be rebels. But this could lower the kp more... unless if they know NKVD are showing to be veterans they will hit them 2 night in a row, and kill them anyway in 3-4 days without losing KP. If they show to be veteran we would show about 54 HP from town when it is actually 49 counting veteran as 2. Is way more convenient to lower directly the KP than make them believe we have more HP than we actually have. ![[image loading]](http://network1.1.googlepages.com/math.jpg) | ||
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On July 30 2009 09:59 Zato-1 wrote: No one's arguing against that, the discussion is whether having NKVDs posing as rebels would have a net effect of lowering their KP or if that would simply create one huge political mess in the Town, making us turn on ourselves due to false accusations. On a tangentially related note: What's KP stand for? Killing Power of the mafia? yea KP. And you've kinda summed it up: no point in trying to lower Rebel KP if it would turn the place chaotic. | ||
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On July 30 2009 11:08 person935 wrote: Why would the plan be done if the mafia wait until nighttime to contact? ------ Because at night Rebels have to kill. If the Rebels approach each other and say prove it by killing X there isn't enough time to bullshit. | ||
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How can the NKVD tell anyone they found a mafia when they can't trust anyone else? The problem with killing either of them is that both of them really could be NKVD Agents posing as mafia or they can both simply claim it. I'd have no problem killing them both if it was an either/or situation but the fact that they can both be innocent is a major bump in the road. ETA: However, if the NKVD Agents could get a group of confirmed Townies under their wing to cover their ass by Day 3, then they can go undercover. That way once the NKVD agent steps out to the public we'd have a group of confirmed townies vouching for him and each other vs 1 mafia. That is a much better plan of action rather than having 1 NKVD Agent trying to go into the Mafia network and dying. | ||
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On July 31 2009 02:18 Last Romantic wrote: Has there been any agreed-upon course of action for Armymen who receive Rebel PMs? Well since no NKVD Agent should be disguised as a Rebel you shouldn't be getting any PM. | ||
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On July 31 2009 03:08 coltrane wrote: WHen did we decided that?? half of the town dont think as you. Well since I'm better at this game than 99% of the people playing and I have never ever been wrong I think most people should follow my advice. | ||
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On July 31 2009 03:30 Zato-1 wrote: You better get that first lynching right when/if you get elected Field Marshal then :p the first lynch isn't guaranteed, not enough info to go around. | ||
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On July 31 2009 03:34 StorrZerg wrote: ace if your mafia then we all dead woot woot go L  If I were Mafia would I repeatedly be making a case to save the NKVD Agents from certain doom Like I said, if I were Mafia I'd really, really want the NKVD Agents to disguise themselves as Rebels since it makes my job much easier. | ||
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On July 31 2009 04:00 Fishball wrote: When does voting end? Feels like 2 days already. Would actually be interesting to see the ratio of Townie/Mafia of those of gets shot. I'm guessing most would be conscripts  o shit you're still alive | ||
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On July 31 2009 05:44 Elemenope wrote: Protip-Ace: Get a mic, I hate having to read vent comments in between dota I broke the last one :/ too lazy to get a new one since I'm not on it enough. still LOL that foolishness got caught cheating. what a scrub. | ||
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On July 31 2009 05:49 L wrote: You wanted to vote for that scrub :3. well you didn't make a platform yet, and it was between him and Lucaswoj. And well Lucas will never ever get a vote from me so yea. | ||
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On July 31 2009 06:26 coltrane wrote: Ok, look... my maths arent wrong. by now i have tryed thousands of simulations (its really easy, i have alredy wrote a town generator in c++) and with this rules killing random, lynching random the right balance is something like 10 mafia, 4 vets, 4 medics, 5 NKVD. Anything different will make some kind of imba game, of course could be on more on one role or in other, but if there are more than 12 mafia we are screwed, if they are less than 7 they are, and so on with any of those numbers. When i changed the rc on NKVD to vets town wins 53% or so... while putting them on ukranian town wins 59% Now i am at work, i dont have my code here, but at night i can post numbers or the complete c++ code if any wants to check it. I changed my vote to L, since i dont want Ace to be elected and i think most of you just follow the shiny glow of those who selfclaim them as vets. the game isn't so simple. The reason most of us who know better don't give a shit about your math is because not only does it depend on who has what role, who is mafia/town, and how lucky some people get - it just makes no sense. Nothing in this game is truly random. Rolechecks aren't just "hmmm ok I'll just pick this guy for no reason" - no. Then you say something that makes no sense such as town winning 53% of the time if NKVD vet claim...really? How so? You think every single Rebel is going to say shit, it's a vet..let me not hit him? How do you account for the fact every mafia member may individually agree to just go ape shit and kill any vet they run into? This is why you're useless. Screw your C++ program too. You are like araav in Mafia 2. | ||
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On July 31 2009 06:57 Vivi57 wrote: lol if you kill me. defending myself from ace isn't worth my time hope the town gets a good lol when I die don't worry, by now you should know I care more about who's on what side than what role people have. Being that no matter what role you get you are useless I'm going to instant lynch you if I get Field Marshall. lulz will be had for sure. | ||
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*drinks moar Vodka in General Caller's honor* | ||
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you guys can't be this gullible v_v So RebirthofLegend sent a message claiming you're a rebel, when you claim to be a conscipt (so he obviously couldn't have checked you) and now you claim it's a trap? lol V_V | ||
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Comrades, I was strolling through the graveyard when a little birdie appeared to me. Amazingly this bird could speak Russian and he told me a little secret. Clazziquai is a scummy Rebel! o dear, o my. What do we have here Clazz? Looks like we've got our first lynch coming up. | ||
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On August 01 2009 07:42 clazziquai wrote: Ace, what makes you say I am Ukranian...? because someone investigated you and told me you're a Rebel. Duh. | ||
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On August 01 2009 09:02 clazziquai wrote: you trust people way too easily?? how do you know he can be trusted......lol wow.... because I'm far smarter than most people. Besides, whoever said I trust the informant? This is just as much a test for him as it is for you. P.S. - You really are a rebel because your defense is shit. GG. | ||
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On August 01 2009 10:44 Sinensis wrote: Clazz, let me explain this to you. If we lynch the informant and he's a rebel, sure they're down one but we learn NOTHING. If we lynch no one, we make no progress. If we lynch you and you're a rebel, they're down one and we now have access to an NVDK we can trust. Lynching you is the most logical course of action. actually it's a bit more than that. Normally on Day 1 the accusing DT is lynched first so we know which direction to go. However this game is a bit different: 1.) NKVDs can disguise as Rebels. 2.) We've already exhausted the idea that no NKVD should disguise themselves as Rebels With both 1 and 2 out of the way, this brings about the fact that anyone investigated is really likely to be a Rebel. Even ignoring Clazz's pitiful defense for a while I normally wouldn't have even brought it out into the open but Clazz had another strike against him - this: L 8 ~OpZ~ Storrzerg Ver Kuja900 Motbob L Clazziquai motbob This is the list of people that voted for L. I wasn't kidding when I said this list is suspect. Everyone who voted on this list with the exception of L himself painted them self a suspect. L literally ran on NO platform and said so himself. Myself and MountainDew were the only ones who made a real platform, while L and Lucaswoj didn't. It would even be better if any of these people stated a reason for voting L that made some sense but barely anyone did. These were my first suspects of the game along with the people who have been shadowing me. So Clazz got caught on a very suspect list, got RCd and flipped Rebel which we know is damn near accurate right now and is using the Vivi57 defense of lynch me and you'll be mad which we know is shit. Clazz has 3 strikes against him. It's over. | ||
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On August 01 2009 13:09 LucasWoJ wrote: Ace, you're retarded. dont worry your death is coming soon too hoe | ||
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On August 01 2009 15:38 ~OpZ~ wrote: Wow fuck off Ace...I actually like L because...he isn't a dick like you. Think I've said that before actually...And I've seen him with nice clue analysis, so him living longer is more of a plus to me. Is that a point you'd like to argue too? And Ace's belief that NKVD's shouldn't disguise as rebels is still something I don't agree on. So we haven't beaten that horse dead yet Ace. Disorganization amongst the mafia = plus. The rebel's can't risk messaging that way because the agent can tell the public. But you're too stupid to realize that? you're bad at this game. Just shut the fuck up and be quiet. Let the good players do their work. | ||
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On August 01 2009 17:49 Scaramanga wrote: I just caught 2 rebels i mass sent pm to ten people and i caught out kuja, this is our pm convo + Show Spoiler + Im not confirming or denying but lets talk on irc, are u willing to do that account exchange thing again to confirm? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Hey man i just role checked you and its good to know that were both rebels, we need to get this rebel web setup, if you want you can rc me but thats just a waste of time lets get an irc setup or something Then this is our irc convo + Show Spoiler + <Lee-Scara-Jay> whats up man <Kuja900> yo <Kuja900> how does kuja know ur not pulling a rebirth of legend? <Lee-Scara-Jay> idk how to prove that <Lee-Scara-Jay> the best way is to rc me but we dont have time <Kuja900> are u willing to do that account exchange thing we did a few games ago? <Lee-Scara-Jay> nah i was told byplexa <Lee-Scara-Jay> that i'd be modbanned from any other game <Lee-Scara-Jay> if i did that again <Lee-Scara-Jay> and he checks every game now <Kuja900> hrmm that truely makes it hard to believe then <Kuja900> scara u swear ud never screw over a faggy little comerade? <Lee-Scara-Jay> never <Lee-Scara-Jay> i would never ever <Lee-Scara-Jay> screw over a fellow rebel <Kuja900> and if u do you invite all hells furies upon you including the fury of ten thousand suns? <Lee-Scara-Jay> lol ohk <Lee-Scara-Jay> so who did you rc last night <Kuja900> rebirthoflegend i had a hunch <Lee-Scara-Jay> so hes townie <Kuja900> nope hes a rebel <Kuja900> ogod watch there be only 2 rebels i didnt read and ur mafia <Kuja900> and im fucked lol <Lee-Scara-Jay> wait so he mass pmed people <Lee-Scara-Jay> to make him look innocent <Lee-Scara-Jay> but hes a rebel aswell <Kuja900> yep i had a massive hunch he was finding other rebel <Kuja900> and that he counting on other rebel checking him <Kuja900> im worried mafia will have same hunch <Lee-Scara-Jay> so have you talked to rebirth? <Kuja900> i sent him pm no reply <Lee-Scara-Jay> <Lee-Scara-Jay> let me know what he says <Kuja900> well i know hes rebel so dont matter im sure hes in <Kuja900> but that was a balsy move <Lee-Scara-Jay> by him? <Kuja900> yes <Lee-Scara-Jay> if you think about it <Lee-Scara-Jay> it makes him look innocent <Lee-Scara-Jay> and can connect us up really fast <Kuja900> not to me i figured it out it was obvious he wasnt a mere towny <Lee-Scara-Jay> yeah <Kuja900> well i suppose we can coordinate now <Lee-Scara-Jay> brb 2 secs <Kuja900> " <Kuja900> Your homework: Write a PM you would send, as a rebel, to someone you just RC'ed as a rebel. Send a copy of that PM to 10 players at random, addressing them with their name." <Kuja900> if your doing this i will find u in australia and rip your balls off by the hilt <Lee-Scara-Jay> thats what im afraid of <Lee-Scara-Jay> this can fuck up our cordination <Lee-Scara-Jay> so much <Lee-Scara-Jay> back btw <Kuja900> grr i not gna rc u cause i need my powa but goddamn im iffy about u! <Lee-Scara-Jay> ah man i know how you feel <Kuja900> can u pm me your roll sent to u by caller? <Lee-Scara-Jay> specially with that mass pm going on <Lee-Scara-Jay> yeah 2 secs <Kuja900> id normally never trust anyone but ur scara and id like to think we got a remote bond lol <Lee-Scara-Jay> i just gotta go to the toliet <Kuja900> lol charming <Lee-Scara-Jay> Ukrainian Rebel: You are corrupt criminal that is poisoning our country! After Ukrainian Resistance Leader was executed by NKVD, you do not know fellow Ukrainians, nyet nyet nyet! You may do research on one person a night, da, to determine their role, or you may kill one person a night-be warned, you may kill own treacherous scum if you are not careful, da! <Lee-Scara-Jay> If you have any questions, please PM me <Lee-Scara-Jay> back <Lee-Scara-Jay> <Kuja900> Ukrainian Rebel: You are defender of Ukrainian Republic from all those that seek your destruction! You have two abilities, one usable per night: you may kill a person or you may role check them. Be warned, you do not know who the other Ukrainians are! Your job is to reduce the Red Army down to a force that can be dealt with. Find your fellow Ukrainians and coordinate your attacks! Be weary of infiltrators, however! <Lee-Scara-Jay> well damm <Lee-Scara-Jay> at least i got 2 rebels <Kuja900> why are they differnt? <Lee-Scara-Jay> beacuse im not a rebel <Lee-Scara-Jay> you are <Kuja900> lol <Kuja900> perfect <Lee-Scara-Jay> sorry man <Kuja900> meh i kinda knew it <Kuja900> your going to kill me arent u ;( <Lee-Scara-Jay> im gonna post this in the thread yes <Kuja900> lol not in the thread let me preserve my dignity <Kuja900> cause im a mafia newb ;( <Lee-Scara-Jay> nah man i caught 2 this is so awsome <Kuja900> lol <Kuja900> have mercy ; ; <Lee-Scara-Jay> sorry man T_T LYNCH KUJA AND REBIRTH TOMORROW NIGHT AFTER CLAZZ LOL RAPE | ||
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On August 02 2009 05:10 Elemenope wrote: Such rage lololol Ace play more dota you guys online now? I can play a quick game | ||
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On August 02 2009 05:38 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I already said what this informant most likely is. 80% that Ace is NKVD. I just can't think of why he would really check clazz, but whatever. you'll never be able to figure out why I do things. Get on my level first hoe | ||
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On August 02 2009 07:25 Zato-1 wrote: On the plus side, we now know the rebels are getting desperate with their attempts to organize themselves. yea. Of course Clazz is an idiot and just made it harder for them. The entire town is going to PM him like "sup, Ima REBEL!" LOL wow such sad shit seriously. | ||
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On August 02 2009 06:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Agreed L. and I would agree with you about how it would be safer for him to call NKVD in his position with BGs. But as we know Ace is a douche. The reason I disagree with it actually being a role call was because of his prior logic with role calls early on, kill the accuser. I don't believe the difference in the roles justifies the change in mentality. Kill the role caller. I wouldn't put it past Ace to just hide that information from us since role calling is dumb in most cases and he doesn't like it when people role call. Also Ace, u n00b. I read u ez like b00k u nvr red cuz u blax. sup? but in all seriousness I think its possible hes not, but he risks a shit storm and town stability by trusting a role caller the way he is. If the guy lied to Ace we only have Ace's word saying he did it. Then we kill that guy and maybe it was him, but now we have Ace taking random role calls against his usual policy, which to me doesn't fit. So with that he would have to be confirmed the NKVD. There is the chance that some guy was like "I think u legit, heres what I got from my role check" but I don't get why check Clazz? Hes from a list that is according to Ace "Suspect". His logic also assumes that EVERY person who was NKVD would listen to his "INFILTRATING AS A REBEL IS STUPID!" When I can assure you not everyone listened to him. I am not attempting to start fights here, I am just trying to point out what I think the logic behind everything is. why do you do this to me? We must work on our love/hate relationship. P.S. - unlike that other post I made there are no hidden clues in this one. rofl sup? | ||
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Besides I really don't care if you disagree with me, just try to make it logical. Saying oh my god Ace is a dick to me because he said I suck RAGE RAGE RAGE is pointless. It's also why I keep teasing bottom bitches like Lucas and Vivi - they are so easy to fuck with and so dumb even though they THINK they are smarter than me when every mafia game they end up being proven wrong. | ||
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On August 03 2009 07:02 Zato-1 wrote: There are a bunch of veterans playing this game. Many of them aren't being terribly active. I daresay an active veteran is more of a threat to the mafia than an inactive veteran. L looked like he was the inactive kind as the campaigns were going on. Voting lists are hardly good evidence. Very little is, at this point in the game. They're just something to be kept in mind. And if you're wondering, voting lists were a comparatively minor influence on my list- the goings on of this thread had much more weight. Voting lists are always good. All you need to do is figure out someone's motives to start the witch hunt. Which is why I ignore ~Opz~ - why does it matter if the Mafia don't know each other? Individually I'm pretty sure if they are competent they could come to easy decisions like ok, Ace looks innocent and he will ruin our shit let's not vote him in. Hurr durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. | ||
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On August 04 2009 07:27 Ver wrote: I don't fully trust ace he has made several bad moves so far this game (most notably lynching vivi over clazz and then revealing clazz prematurely) and while his behavior mostly fits that of an innocent it's the question of did he just make some unusual mistakes or is he mafia? Not all too easy to answer right now and I'd rather just sidestep it. I can't reveal the mafia because a) it would give them a point to rally around and b) it would compromise certain individuals. I didn't pm certain people for a variety of reasons. For some I was already certain of their alleigance/role, for others I didn't want them to stir up unnecessary trouble (i,e you L, as I certainly have no reason to be afraid of you). I have 20 roles so far, keep em coming! Guess a lot of people are inactive or something. Really the most important are the vigis which I still need. Btw I'm not out to steal thunder but I do have an ulterior motive for doing this, besides as an experiment, for I am well aware the tenuous circumstances of doing this move now ^_^ ok step back and think about this for a second... You send me a PM telling me to change my lynch to clazz. You don't even have any surefire evidence that clazz is Mafia, and all I have is your word. WHY WOULD I LYNCH CLAZZ WITH NOTHING TO GO ON? It was a very smart play from my side. I have no info on clazz, and I also had no info on you. Literally it's the same thing as if L PM'd me and said hey, lynch Elemenope. Why would I do it for no reason? And to top it all off, I wasn't even here. I told Caller to lynch Vivi57 if I win as I wasn't going to be around. So on both accounts you're wrong. I had to hold back on lynching Clazz because I can't trust the word of an unconfirmed player with nothing but a hunch. | ||
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See, unlike last night's people who tried to kill - I won't miss. You either will die by lynch today, or by my bullet tonight. No amount of medic protection can save you. GG. | ||
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On August 04 2009 14:28 coltrane wrote: Another thing: last night at least 12 people did things. During night NKVD could detect. Scum could detect or kill. medics could block. From this list we know at leas 3 scum killed last night, 1 medic blocked. If all NKVD detected that leave like 4 scum detecting aswell... I think we have 3 medics, 3 NKVD (one or two could have saved a RC for later) and 6 or 7 mafia left (-1 of zato-1 autokill, we dont know if he acted before) Why 4 mafia would detect on night 2? I think on not so many options. Maybe some of them detected each other on night 1, but 4 of them is just many. Some of them could have detected a vet on night 1 aswell. I doubt on an overkill to any, simply because in the death descriptions there weren any signs of that. And we should notice something that anyone has mentioned this far. The killings are direct hits from one scum to another player, so... should we assume that any clue on that killing is linked to one single scum? (thats an open question) For once I agree with your post. The reason so many mafia detected 2 nights in a row is because they haven't been able to form a network and are scared to hit solo. However I do believe with Zato-1 dying, and Kuja plus Ver dying soon they have to hit tonight or it's pretty much game over. | ||
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On August 04 2009 14:46 Scaramanga wrote: EBWOP: ace you are the biggest retard ive ever seen play mafia utterly useless shut your hole. both of them. | ||
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On August 04 2009 14:50 Elemenope wrote: Because obviously the only people who will come into contact with those mafia are the other mafia. Obviously. lol right. O hai I'm the only guy that will PM you cuz I'm da mafias hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr | ||
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The Mafia knowing 2 suspects that Ver has in mind or us (really me) using my massive rape powers and just piecing it all together in 5 minutes with a flick of my hand? This is why I'm saying it's a bad move. Stop trying to be a hero so I can end the game already and move on to the smurf game. | ||
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On August 04 2009 14:55 Scaramanga wrote: I thought you were good at mafia ace, i was terribly terribly wrong I never really thought you were that good at Mafia Scara, I'm so glad I'm always right. Ain't that right Chezinu? o snapz v_v | ||
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On August 04 2009 15:04 Scaramanga wrote: Lol i never said i was good, you on the otherhand think your the greatest mafia player ever "HAI GUYZ LETS KILL TEH ONE CAT THATS ACTUALLY DOING THINGS FOR TEH TOWN YA!" retard I am the god of Mafia. I keep trying to tell you guys I don't do the secret IRC thing, account exchanging, comparing PM notes, fishing for roles a million times over which is quite sad also, or even really need to keep probing people for info. You can deny it all you want but like I said before if you've ever seen me give bad advice that hasn't turned out to be the right thing by the end of the game then you can question me. I really don't care how many roles Ver knows, how much info you're little circle has, or even if you keep fishing for roles till the game ends (P.S. you guys are bad at it, the PMs I have confirms it) - just realize you have no idea what I know and that you are acting against the town's best interest. There is NO incentive to hide the names right now. Random Guy: I know 2 mafiaz! Town: So tell us! Random Guy: noez Town: y not? QQ Random Guy: I has a plan! Town: :/ | ||
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On August 04 2009 15:13 motbob wrote: OK idiots. I'm stupid so mafia already knows what role I am, so I'm going to roleclaim. Ace, I hope you're happy. I am a medic. Last night, I protected Ver. Ver was hit twice last night. Ver is the real fucking deal. Vigis should roleclaim to (AND NOT HIT) Ver. Ver has likely mafia targets that make sense from what I've seen in my PMs (when i gave my fucking role to a mafia member arrrgh) That is all. Ace, if you don't accept this, you're mafia and that's it. Get off Ver's back, he's town. fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk. | ||
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On August 04 2009 15:14 Scaramanga wrote: Your just getting worst and worst rofl you just sit in your mayors role and do nothing thats fine by me go ahead and kill ver see if thats the right thing to do yea it's a very comfy throne. You should try it if you ever manage to convince people you're worth electing. | ||
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But motbob roleclaiming changed everything. He honestly shouldn't have. If enough Mafia knew your role you'd already be dead but since they don't enough of them aren't in contact with each other. It's possible the liar only has himself, or maybe 1 mafia tagged along with him. You still had the upper hand. | ||
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On August 05 2009 01:54 coltrane wrote: Elemenope you said nothing new. Scaramanga is the only one who blind trust Ver, I dont want to lynch him now because we gain nothing. Or he is green/red or no one with a role trust him, so your rage is just a waste. lmao I am so stealing this line. @Elemenope: Motbob really is a medic. Yea I know :/ @everyone else: Elemenope's post makes sense. People are roleclaiming to Ver because he has some plan while he literally has done nothing from my p.o.v. I don't know whats going on behind the scenes but anybody saying we're wrong for questioning him is beyond stupid. It's been 2 days and I have yet to see the result of this magic plan. By now we all know I can single handedly destroy the Mafia so why are you holding out? THIS is why we don't 100% fully trust you. It's a nonsense move. | ||
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On August 05 2009 13:39 ItsPaul wrote: I'm a noob, and I can't tell a lot of the time whether people are trolling or actually arguing a point. But if Ace is confirming motbob as medic, and motbob is confirming he protected Ver, and Ver was hit twice after his post, doesn't that imply that mafia are trying to kill him? Why would the vigi's attack him when there are confirmed scum that they could be putting hits on like RoL or to a lesser extent Kuja? Maybe I'm just confused by all the trollage, but it doesn't seem to make sense for Ver to get hit twice after confirming he knows mafia and then for us to not believe he knows mafia. Releasing the names of mafia would just give a rally point to other mafia to contact. Am I just terrible or is this one of those occam's razor deals? How can the mafia rally around them when everyone and their mom would PM them? There is nothing to rally around because they can't rolecheck everyone. It's also obvious that I'm innocent at this point so if anything wouldn't it make perfect sense to give me the names so I could get the guys checked out and killed? :/ | ||
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B.) They cant rally. Whoever PMs Kuja and roL aren't confirmed rebels so even a plain townie that fakes rebel would get in with them if they were that dumb to believe everyone who says "I'm a Rebel". Elemenope just stop trying lol. It's a lost cause. | ||
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On August 06 2009 00:20 ~OpZ~ wrote: Well guys...I've decided...I'm going to kill someone tonight. Now I'm stuck at a cross roads... Ver...or Elemenope, Chaoser or Chezinu....Because I can't kill Ace.... Anyone got any advice, it would be greatly appreciated... And this isn't me roleclaiming...I could continue playing, but I decided not to bring my lap top with me...I don't trust the place I'm going anymore. The fact that I can kill you before you kill me says you should probably be careful ^_^ | ||
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See Ver made me waste time because he was gone for 2 days so I had to use a rolecheck. oh noes | ||
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On August 07 2009 00:52 Shikyo wrote: Seems like I'm getting vigi'd tonight? I guess I'll take this time to say that I don't like this format at all. Even with like 10 modkills, it still feels unbelievably imbalanced, even impossible for rebels. actually he's right. Rebels were screwed from the beginning, almost impossible to win v_v | ||
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<3 Brown | ||
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On August 08 2009 05:40 L wrote: They should have simply skipped rolechecks and went all out rapeshit insane, might lose a few in friendly fire, but the volume of hits they can produce is absolutely prodigious. yea, but they listened to me. Didn't think they would. LOL so dumb. | ||
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1.) he picks the dumbest heroes ever after dev and Rad asked for others 2.) we're getting chased after a gank and testie and ench have to fit thru the small chokes and instead of casting LSA he dragon salves and I die 3.) Zel is begging for a gank on mid and is on his way. I'm in the river waiting and he's sitting there farming creeps :/ Ench comes and kills me and he's still farming while Zel is still pinging the map for a gank I just figured it was useless to continue | ||
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On August 10 2009 09:44 chaoser wrote: cause i'm bodyguard and either way i'm dead and also this game is seriously screwed. more than half the convos are of ace and emel talking about dota and dickign around. mafia are dead anyway. fixed | ||
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You are the Secret Nazi! Nobody else except for the Nazi Hunter knows about this role, because the Russians don't know that they have ex-Nazis in their ranks. Your job is simply to survive, regardless if Mafia or Town wins. Your Wehrmacht training gives you the same powers as the Ukrainians, i.e. a role check or a kill each night, and your secret behavior gives you two night lives. You appear as a townie to all checks. Be careful, though, a Nazi Hunter is present in the army. He has similar abilities and wins by killing you. You do not need to kill him for victory. sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet | ||
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On August 17 2009 09:22 Zato-1 wrote: What? Ace was one of the biggest contributors to the Town. As the field marshal, the most likely way he could die was by getting lynched, so he did his best to stay on the Town's good side, by contributing against the mafia. No one suspects him, and the fewer mafia there are the smaller the chances all his bodyguards get killed. He never did the town any harm. lol yup. I was just being patient trying to make sure the town couldn't lynch me, and also wanted to make sure Rebels didn't go apeshit insane raping everyone which is why I suggested that all Rebels rolecheck each other the first few nights - so my bodyguards wouldn't be accidentally killed. I killed Scaramanga later just because he thought he knew what he was talking about but didn't. Night actions: Also, Ace was going to kill L and Ver on several occasions. This is so true. So many times I PM'd Caller like I might just say fuck it and start killing people for the lulz. Ver was so Rebel looking but I held off and used an RC just to be safe. | ||
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