I'm here and I have my role! I'm thinking about weather options now.
I notice that in the sign ups, Plexa said the assassin's can't attack on Day 1, but that's not in the first post here. Doesn't really matter since I doubt we'll have assassin worthy suspects on Day 1, so Sunny is probably not a good idea.
I think Snow will actually not be that helpful this early because getting twice as many Day 1 clues is probably not going to be that helpful. We don't know how Plexa is doing clues either... KP is... holy fuck 5! So I guess that means at least 5 clues per day post and Snow probably doubles that? Maybe Snow just adds a constant number or multiplies the clue number by less than 2, who knows... OK nvm, we wouldn't get more Day 1 clues but Day 2 clues so this could be pretty helpful.
Foggy weather is a decent choice. I guess we don't know what the ratio of mafia to pledge is but we might be able to figure it out if we use this. But with such a high KP, it might be great to have a guaranteed KP drop. We might want an early vote check though, depending on how voting looks.
Rain is also great. Although the suicide bomber is unlikely to attack at the start, we only have 2 medics for a ~40 person game (compare to my game which had 3 for a ~30 person game) so a boost would help a lot and up the deterrent power of a medic list.
DECISION CALCULUS: More clues don't necessarily help - they often cause people to become suspicious in ways that the clue writer hadn't predicted at all. 5 KP is a ton so I think we should work on lessening that unless we figure out Plexa's clue writing style (has he run a game before? If so, definitely post about his writing style if you were in it). I would guess there are 2-6 pledges, so that would mean fog would drop KP by 0-1... OK, I think that means there have to be at least 4 Pledges because otherwise Fog wouldn't even lower KP on Day 1. So here's the math:
Fog: KP is 4 with a 2/38 chance of blocking another hit. Rain: KP is 5 with a 4/38 chance of blocking a hit. Obviously the chance is much higher than random if the medic is skilled and a list is used well. I would go with Fog unless we are sure we want to vote check and Rain if we do want to vote check.
You may PM me asking about the number of Mafia who voted for a particular person to be lynched (not elected) three times total
If we go with snow we get more clues, especially since day 1 clues are usually weak.
I don't think rain would be a good option right now since the angels wouldn't really know who to protect. Sunny weather would be pointless because we don't have any suspects yet.
The angels should know to protect good players so they don't disappear before they have a chance to contribute.
I support BC for Emperor and his analysis on fog is spot on. We should spam Fog unless we think we can do something tricky with vote checks but since only pledges show up on that, we should just spam fog and pocket the auto kill power.
However, notice that the KP goes to the "ceiling" if it is not a whole number. This means if there are 3 or fewer pledges, KP won't even drop. Example:
3 Pledges means their KP contribution is 1.5. Half of that is .75 so fog would lower overall Mafia KP from 5 to 4.25, which gets rounded up to 5 if I understand the rules right. This means if there are 3 Pledges,.fog is useless to us until we kill a mafioso, so that the KP would drop from 4.5 to 3.75 due to fog. That is why I guessed there are at least 4 pledges, but it may be that Plexa has engineered the game so we are not to spam fog, but to time our fog usage to when Mafia KP is barely above a whole number so that we can lower it below that number.
@BC Ah yeah, it has to be 4.5 rounded up and getting the idea of how many pledges there are will be great, too. There's no way there's only one pledge if the suicide bomber is one of the pledges so VOTE FOG, EVERYBODY. PERIOD.
@inertinept Will you make it past the first night for the first time in three games?!?! OvO
On July 03 2009 08:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also note:
DT's
Last thread Plexa made it clear in the last thread that a player if checked by a DT flip their original colour (ie emperor flips as whatever his role was before election, dt flips as dt, mafia flips as mafia) only exception being the godfather. Checks can also be used at any point in the day. So, by that meaning.
Dts should automatically be checking Myself, ie BloodyC0bbler and mrbabyhands
If we flip as town, immediately contact us. ALSO there are two you. so there is the risk that you double check on one of us but still that pays off as we get 2 dts immediately working together. THEY can act right now, IE before the mafia can act.
So check me first, get me into office and we go from there. The power of dts in this game is absolutely insane, as only one role is fliped incorrectly. They also can act day 1.
I wouldn't be surprised if you and/or MBH is godfather, I know the godfather usually isn't chosen as randomly as advertised and you two would be prime candidates so... Obviously they should be checking whoever gets elected and MBH is too dangerous not to check but I dunno about immediate contact.
Trying to figure if it is worth it for GF to run for office... if they get caught mafia loses a KP but the town still loses 3 lynches. With a good player though, they might not even get caught and I don't want a repeat of Qatol's Godfather Mayor reign and we don't need to be run astray. BC's leading the town in the right direction weather-wise so he's probably ok but good players would never try to lead the town astray this early anyway. Can't say shit about MBH because that wily mofo never gives anything to analyze
On July 03 2009 08:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also note:
DT's
Last thread Plexa made it clear in the last thread that a player if checked by a DT flip their original colour (ie emperor flips as whatever his role was before election, dt flips as dt, mafia flips as mafia) only exception being the godfather. Checks can also be used at any point in the day. So, by that meaning.
Dts should automatically be checking Myself, ie BloodyC0bbler and mrbabyhands
If we flip as town, immediately contact us. ALSO there are two you. so there is the risk that you double check on one of us but still that pays off as we get 2 dts immediately working together. THEY can act right now, IE before the mafia can act.
So check me first, get me into office and we go from there. The power of dts in this game is absolutely insane, as only one role is fliped incorrectly. They also can act day 1.
Just to clarify here BC, the check will only tell you whether the person is mafia or not. Will not say that the person is a DT or that the person is the suicide bomber.
My bad.
Will it tell you if a suicide bomber is red though? Ie dt checks bomber, bomber gets a yes to being mafia?
If not edit your bomber role to state that.
Still, it stands to let you know if whoever you check is legit or not. The sooner a dt checks the sooner an alliance can form, the chances of hitting the gf this early are way to low, and as the roles were just recently sent out, mafia will still be disorganized, one dt should be checking me instantly.
Pretty sure the check says if they are red or not and GF is the only one that the DT gets fooled on (no millers).
On July 03 2009 10:12 ydg wrote: I disagree with spamming fog, but I agree that fog should be used day one. List checking is one of the most effective tools, and, as pledges can only be found via list checks, if we spam fog, we will have no sure way of hitting pledge as opposed to hitting regular mafia.
Pledges show under alignment checks too, pretty sure on that
Also, mafia can fake vote list checks because they know how many mafia vote for each person...
Also, you correctly said that the DT need to role check important people Day 1 before Cover is possible... so why would we do anything other than Fog Day 1 when DTs should be using alignment check instead of vote list check (which they can't use Day 1).
I dunno how intentional these mistakes are but it doesn't look like anything someone should
Pyrry Says: vote BloodyC0bbler unless he comes up red today because he's the best player running and, at the very least, he understands (this should be obvious) that taking anything other than the guaranteed KP lowering at this point is stupid.
On July 03 2009 11:50 L wrote: Not DT list check, silly.
Step your game up, vote lists provide information even if they don't have numbers attached.
They don't necessarily give any information, especially if someone's platform is to run just to put another name on the ballot. If anything, that spreads things out and makes it easier to mafia to alter the voting with less effort.
On July 03 2009 11:50 L wrote: Not DT list check, silly.
Step your game up, vote lists provide information even if they don't have numbers attached.
They don't necessarily give any information, especially if someone's platform is to run just to put another name on the ballot. If anything, that spreads things out and makes it easier to mafia to alter the voting with less effort.
The platform isn't simply putting another name on the ballot, but that's the only concrete benefit we get out of another person running. I've already outlined my basic gameplan as emp, but all of that is subject to change if we get lucky hits, lose a fuckton of blues, a bunch of people play retardedly, etc.
I really shy away from making predictions which aren't mathematically probable, and that's why i'm not going to try and lock myself into a certain mode of play. My preferred mode would be the one I listed, but you can go back up and read it.
Alright, I understand your plan a little better now with your further explanation / clarification. It's something to consider but, like you say, a lot could go wrong. Fog spam, though not fancy, is pretty sturdy and will help us win the game if we just play better than the mafia.
Don't forget that proper list checks require high activity and total compliance and no game has ever had full activity (not even ones that have more checks against inactivity than this one does) plus every game has townies that fuck around.
All was quiet in the town of Liquiville. The sleepy town had never been one which dabbled in the troubles of bigger cities and was content to live a simple country life. The moon was high in the sky with the light filtering through the windows of the village folk when the silence was broken by a shrill sharp yell. Confused, two of the village folk went out to investigate the strange noises. Their search lead them to the Emperor’s Palace, a find they wished they could just forget.
As they stepped through the gates they saw a sight which resembled a bloody battle. The bodyguards were strung up on lines like a human clothes line. Blood spilling from their gored bodies and pooling on the ground. The two forced themselves to continue on, for the sake of the town. They tread through the blood and into the inner palace. Little did Camlito and Ace know that this foolish move would be their last. As they entered, a bomb went off to their right, sending a pillar crashing down on top of the poor innocent townies. Both were flattened into human pancakes.
The events at the Palace were not yet through for the night. Plexa, the Emperor, had heard the noises, seen his Bodyguards brutally tortured and murdered and heard the explosion down stairs. He knew that whoever the intruders were, they were after him. Fortunately Plexa’s Palace was well equipped with hiding places after his Uncle’s erratic fear of giant spiders. It was not difficult for him to completely conceal his presence in the room.
Two men were rummaging around in a room nearby, where exactly he could not tell. The sounds came closer and closer and very soon they were in the same room as him. He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device. Their plan became immediate to him, they were going to blow his palace up with him inside. The two began setting the device while Plexa buried himself in his hiding place.
“Wait” said one of them. Plexa heard footsteps, he heard gun load, he felt the cold of the barrel up against the back of his neck. The man pulled the trigger. The Emperor was dead.
Dawn broke, and the cry of the countless vultures overhead woke the villagers from their slumber. The smell of death filled the air and immediately they all knew their quiet little village would stay quiet no longer. Amongst the ruins of the Palace the village found the body of their beloved Emperor as well as the bodies of his fallen guards. There was a note posted on the town gallows which read “We will not rest until every last villagers is dead. You will all pay for what you have done to me”. The town was confused at this note, but knew what they must do. A new Emperor must be elected, one prepared to fight the Mafia insurgence and save the town from brutal slaughter.
I bolded some passages I thought might be clue-related. Also, Plexa is buried underground when found and some how a mafia is able to put a gun to the back of his neck while he's under? I have to go to work in 10 so I won't have a chance to look through profiles or anything for hours.
This has gotta be the least active game ever nothing has really happened in the last 6 hours. I guess JeeJee started running and Heavonearth finally gave a platform but meh. Not good for town.
Potentially, the explosive part could refer to the suicide bomber and something near it like the pillar crashing down could point toward who the suicide bomber is.
On July 04 2009 08:02 HeavOnEarth wrote: well im all for lynching inactive players and as emperor i will ensure this~! only exception is MBH to me i guess
On July 04 2009 08:14 HeavOnEarth wrote: well doesnt he wait a day or two before he posts usually?
oh you mean you won't lynch him even though he doesn't talk much, that makes sense. I thought you were (jokingly) saying you would lynch mbh even if he was active or something because you didn't like him.
On July 04 2009 10:30 L wrote: First impressions, midway through page 8: HeavOn is 100% right about the likely hood of one of us being GF compared to him. His chance is a straight 1/38, ours are much higher.
That said, that was the exact same reasoning we used to almost get randombum into mayor during mafia 2 (LOL WAY TO GO INACTIVE MAFIA MEMBERS). We got him pardoner instead, which ended up netting us some info, so I'd suggest people vote the person they're most comfortable with. I personally can't favor the math here because I know i'm 100% innocent, which forces me to favor my candidacy.
As for one of us three being GF, I can see mafia advancing GF to take DT checks and establish a fake circle of trust, but GF isn't a standard mafia member in this game. He has a straight KP and Cover, which might FAR outweigh the risk/reward of getting into office, but it seems to me from my initial analysis that that's not the case. Either way, even if its favorable, most players play suboptimally in all mafia games, so it wouldn't be surprising if the GF wasn't running.
The reason WHY pre-running was removed is that it gives the pre-running player a much lower risk of getting in, and the move is made pre-role distribution which means that their candidacy gives us nearly zero information.
Moving onto page 9 now.
This is gonna be like learning Santa Claus isn't real all over again (hope I didn't spoil anyone), but the people who run these games don't usually assign the roles in a perfectly random way. They usually make sure a total noob doesn't become GF, for example, and the GF is usually randomized around until it lands on a player who is at least somewhat experienced, which fits all three people running. Don't forget that a player who announces their candidacy before the election can always pull out after the game starts if they roll blue and don't want to draw attention to themselves, or are green and would rather a blue win, or are red and don't want to get checked or have the cover on them all game long (for any of these reasons they could come up with some excuse not related to the game). Any GF who started running before receiving their role would certainly yell "jackpot!" and stay in the race. Heavonearth's chances of being GF are certainly higher than 1/38, and, all things considered, probably not very different compared to L's or BC's.
He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device.
tried searching tall and lanky on the forums but just found Rekurl
So I basicly wasted a lot of time trying to find something..
BC does the cooking section for the Pony Express. Rekrul is in Chaoser's profile. 5000 minerals and 2500 gas say that neither of those passages link to those two.
Alright, seems like BC is on the right track here. Plexa's priest clue looks indecipherable so we should be able to get MBH up and running if we're lucky. I'm gonna go ahead and guess based on MBH being green, as well as L and BC claiming to be green, plus some other info, that roles are legitimately randomized. Based on the kill list I am inclined to believe the mafia are noobs given that the people they killed out of a town with only a few people posting are 4 people with a combined 1 post (according to Chezinu, haven't double checked that). The foundation is set for a good game! Gonna make clue analysis and make another post with it.
I'd also like to say that BC's plan shift makes it less likely that he is mafia since before he was asking to be checked and role claimed to, but now he is setting up a safer plan that would result in rallying around / claiming to MBH instead of himself. Combined with my kill list assessment, I'd have to guess there wasn't a mafia candidate unless it was Heavonearth.
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here's a couple of possible links from the first paragraph I'm gonna have to do the rest later tonight or tomorrow cuz I haven't slept in too long and stuff is pulsating -
"shock" -> BWDero's profile pic "metal inside of Shikyo’s head" -> could be a reference to a mafia being a "metalhead" (fan of metal music) like Falcynn's profile pic or something (it's a rabbit headbanging)
Alright, I rounded up all the posts by the dead, including from the voting thread:
Fishball: "Passing by. Role confirmed." "I see a lot of math... If that's what you're planning for BC, I'd say lynch MBH first." "I abstain"
Shikyo: "Posting to confirm I got my role. Also, I probably won't be able to be as active as in the last Mafia, but I'll be sure to check this at least a couple of times a day." (after death) "Sigh, I've been more busy than I thought I would >< It might continue for a few more days. Anyway, I voted for bloodycobbler solely because I feel that he's the more experienced and solid player. I hope that later tonight I'll have the time to analyse the clues a bit better and actually think about some strategy... sorry everyone :/ Even my liquibet is screwed because of this >< No time to bet." "Hadn't refreshed for a while, and what do I find... well this helps ^_^ GJ mafia targeting an inactive, easy win town." "I vote for BloodyCobbler for now. "
Elemenope: "/confirm
As for the weather: I don't believe Snow first night would be good, as stated since we don't know how exactly clues are going to be based. However, if we wait too long, then we'll miss a good timing window in my opinion. Snow really peaks at its usefulness once we find our first mafia. After that night, the other weathers outstrip it until either all pledges are dead, all assassinations are used, or all angels are dead in my opinion. But we have to get a mafia within the next 2 days (possibly 1), to make the most use out of it if we ever do decide to do Snow, otherwise it's just too late it seems with a KP of 5.
Sunny wouldn't be a good option either for first weather since we have no good targets.
As for Fog or Rain; I believe going for Rain would be the better option. Although there would be a guaranteed drop in KP if we do Fog; Angels only have one protection and there are no second lives for other players (except the angels themselves). With a KP of 5; and only 2 protections available, some of our better contributors can die early on and that would be a massive blow to the town. We can drop that to 4 with Fog, but that'd still leave 2 important people to die (possibly). With 4 protections though, we'd have a better protection spread among the town, and we'd also have the possibility of reducing KP through stacked hits on top of that (which I think is the more likely scenario that will happen if we do Rain).
And although the chance of a suicide bomber on night one is unlikely, we'd still lock him out if we do Rain, in comparison to the possible scenario of the bomber taking out somebody on the medic list *and* the angel(s) protecting him on night one.
I just feel that the risk of having 2 important, contributing members of the town die is just too great compared to double angel protection and most likely forcing mafia to stack hits
Can anybody tell me if I'm wrong in this thinking of Rain over Fog before I send in my vote?" "Also, Plexa: Can mafia target their own members for hits?" "WHY AREN'T YOU WARDING THE WHOLE GAME YOU CUNTBUCKET" "hurrdurr" "I abstain from voting."
Vivi57: no posts in main thread "just got added to the forum, so I'll abstain for now
it's 6:30 in the morning now so I'll read the thread when i'm not half asleep" "I change my vote from abstain to BloodyCobbler
reason: bc seems like a solid choice and there's no major flaws in his plan. bc over L because after L's 50 pages of spam with ace last game, I have 0 confidence in his ability
I'd say that mafia's strat was to hope to find blues among inactives. Only one that doesn't fit that is Elemenope. Maybe they thought all the talking about Rain over Fog was an Angel tell? In any case, I'm not sure we had to kill MBH cuz this kill list would have told me he couldn't have been mafia
Araav's quote: "The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all."
I googled "foxglove rare" and there are multiple rare species of foxglove.
2EZ, I vote Araav.
Truthbringer analysis is good, but there are so many other gun related profiles that it find the odds of him being mafia are lessened, not to mention the idea that it could be a "metalhead" reference or something else like Falcynn's profile. Like BC, I can't find any other good link to Araav and the link to Araav seems ironclad.
On the entusman thing: entusman to enterman seems highly unlikely to me. Also, So No Fek has "entusman" in his profile, too. There are even more Entus fans, I'm sure.
Also, with the Truthbringer thing. If L's analysis is correct, that's way too many clues for one Day post, especially without Snow in active. Could be that only one is intentional, but I can't imagine Plexa thinking that 5 separate links to the same guy in one post on Day 2 makes sense. I mean I did something like that, but it was a novice game and it was Day 5 or so. Still, more links increase the odds and that's a lot of links.
well LucasWoJ has several metal weapons, shock could refer to BWDero or JeeJee's quote about fear, I already mentioned it could be way of hinting at metal rock. That's already many more possible alternative causalities for those passages than I've found for foxglove seeds, which is why Araav is higher on my target priority list currently.
well what are you finding for this foxglove thing? seems too random to me to not be a clue. and ya i respect BC as a player, so when he says something I think it's worth cross-checking to see if it's a good idea. In araav's case it is. In Judge's case, entusman -> enterman makes no sense and I say so.
As for how Plexa could know about foxglove - I know of them from alchemy in Oblivion and from googling it seems they are used by real life people who believe in magic so maybe Plexa read about them in a fantasy novel or something.
Oh also, i just googled "blooms in adversity" to see where the quote comes from, and it comes from the Disney movie Mulan. Foxglove is a Disney character from Rescue Rangers so maybe that triggered his mind, I dunno.
Yeah, it could be related to synesthesia. iLoveKT's profile shows audio information in a visual way, it could be that he influences his victims to see pain / heat in a visual way through color.
Truthbringer after the day post: "Is it worth analyzing on priest so that an angel can protect him or should we just hope the mafia don't figure out who he is?"
Such a fricking obvious tell. Much worse than ydg talking about how the priest should roleclaim after we can make him invulnerable. Why was this not in your post L? I showed it to BC and he said well YDG has a wider body of tells but honestly nothing he's done seems that suspicious to me and there hasn't been a single clue toward him. Truthbringer's clues we're good, I thought araav's were better but a vote for araav is useless at this point, and Truthbringer's behavior + clues easily outweighs araav's clue + behavior so I'm changing my vote.
It's obvious priest clues are only there to help mafia and, secondarily, angels. Truthbringer's been in a few games, I'm sure he'd understand that. Given the night 1 hit list, mafia suck at analysis and were probably hoping for a freebie from us. No can do.
Also, I dunno how the hell BC could honestly miss that. I still believe the araav analysis I made, but BC is still on about this vehicle thing that seems iffy to me. But he's also going on about how YDG wants to know about the Priest when TB was doing the same thing, but worse. Plus there are zero clues for YDG vs. plenty for TB. His discussion hasn't been much less chaotic than YDG's, starting with araav and moving to YDGs so (sorry I'm capitalizing it, I can't help it ) I'm not totally buying it but I'll go after him if clues come up. Could be that BC is doing great analysis on the priest behind the scenes and shotgunning gems like "entusman -> enterman" in the thread. If MBH is rezzed, we're in the clear. If not, I wouldn't role claim to anybody. Whether BC is good or bad aligned we can force him to use double lynches in our favor (or give himself away if maf). I see he's posting now about the truthbringer evidence I showed him in MSN...
Also, I suppose I should post this, too: BloodyC0bbler informed me that if you look at the first set of mafia kills on the player list, 7, 15, 19, 21 and change them into letters, it spells: G O S U... I dunno how someone would figure that out although I suppose I should be happy that our mafia enemies are more intent on playing Alphabet Soup than Mafia. BC says Plexa told him that but that could just be a ploy to get me to think he's innocent (and thus in need of Plexa to explain the kill list to him since that implies BC was not involved in its creation) and to use the first set of kills to take suspicion off of skilled, active players and onto people who take the game less seriously. Dunno what to think. I LOLed at first but it obviously should be able to tell us something useful.
Also, some people have been voting foggy (L has said to vote foggy today and rain tomorrow) - if it is foggy tonight, and we discuss priests, we won't have enough protection to spread amongst possible priests - it also could encourage angels to gang up on the town's consensus of who the priest is and then get suicide bombed.
How is some ravey psychedelic shit like a bird? Maybe the burn thing could vaguely be like a Phoenix but that would have to be more backwards of a link to Pyrrhuloxia than foxglove being a clue for araav which you have shit all over.
On July 08 2009 06:50 ydg wrote: There's a lull now so I shall repost this:
On July 07 2009 11:12 ydg wrote: Some buried posts:+ Show Spoiler +
On July 06 2009 19:06 Lenwe wrote: First of, 'The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all', is (or could be) a quote from the Mulan movie, made by Walt Disney in 1998. I've never seen this movie, nor know anything of the legend behind it, but perhaps some people more knowingly could use this to link the clue further to Araav (or use it to refute the clue ofcourse).
Now, some other things that I noticed, this could ofcourse be completely false (I don't have a history of good clue hunting), but perhaps something to consider.
The first headed straight for the control room. His quickened walk looked almost arrogant as he kept his eyes peeled for any sign of resistance. The Mafioso burst through the control room door and Shikyo leapt from his chair in shock. Disappointed that there was only one occupant, the Mafioso sighed and punched Shikyo in the gut, causing him to fall face first onto the ground. Standing above Shikyo, the Mafioso opened fire on his head. By the end of the incident there was more metal inside of Shikyo’s head than organic material. Satisfied with a job well done, the Mafioso signalled to his colleagues that the Control Room was secure.
This could(!!) be applied to BC himself. He walks arrogantly, as BC has done this game, promoting that he is an experienced player and that he should get the votes. He walks straight into the control room and takes control of it, like he has taken control of the town. Also, while there could be truth in his YDG explanation, he has been feeding us with diffirent suspects after the second post and with most explanations given for those I don't agree. I also don't agree with the fog decision but more on that later.
Mr. Julia as the pulsating man could be a clue towards BWDero profile picture. In it is a picture of a man 'pulsating' with lighting, so that could be a clue towards him.
The bomb man and the tall, lanky man are hard to find for me, but I'm a pretty sure they are clues. Perhaps we are looking for two friends, or two people who agree a lot with each other in this thread (although they would have to do that before the day 1 post, because they were working as a team already in that post). The method of killing everyone with a bomb could be a clue as well ofcourse.
France, Switzerland and perhaps the Netherlands as well are countries famous for their cheese. The cheese factory is such a strange setting I do believe there is a clue there.
Finally (for now at least), I think we should vote rain as the weather choice. Mrbabyhands as a proven townie around who we can gather the remaining town is a pretty big thing, considering he is such a good player. Therefor I don't think we should take the risk of the mafia finding out who the priest is and sending the suicide bomb after the priest. Fog reduces their kill power by one, but a good lynch will do the same time. I'm not sure who to lynch right now, but will vote later today and make a new post then.
On July 06 2009 11:45 L wrote: I'm going to do this a bit more in depth and with colours, because short posts are easy to swamp with terrible ones if mafia wants to move to the next page.
All was quiet in the town of Liquiville. The sleepy town had never been one which dabbled in the troubles of bigger cities and was content to live a simple country life. The moon was high in the sky with the light filtering through the windows of the village folk when the silence was broken by a shrill sharp yell. Confused, two of the village folk went out to investigate the strange noises. Their search lead them to the Emperor’s Palace, a find they wished they could just forget.
As they stepped through the gates they saw a sight which resembled a bloody battle. The bodyguards were strung up on lines like a human clothes line. Blood spilling from their gored bodies and pooling on the ground. The two forced themselves to continue on, for the sake of the town. They tread through the blood and into the inner palace. Little did Camlito and Ace know that this foolish move would be their last. As they entered, a bomb went off to their right, sending a pillar crashing down on top of the poor innocent townies. Both were flattened into human pancakes.
The events at the Palace were not yet through for the night. Plexa, the Emperor, had heard the noises, seen his Bodyguards brutally tortured and murdered and heard the explosion down stairs. He knew that whoever the intruders were, they were after him. Fortunately Plexa’s Palace was well equipped with hiding places after his Uncle’s erratic fear of giant spiders. It was not difficult for him to completely conceal his presence in the room.
Two men were rummaging around in a room nearby, where exactly he could not tell. The sounds came closer and closer and very soon they were in the same room as him. He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device. Their plan became immediate to him, they were going to blow his palace up with him inside. The two began setting the device while Plexa buried himself in his hiding place.
“Wait” said one of them. Plexa heard footsteps, he heard gun load, he felt the cold of the barrel up against the back of his neck. The man pulled the trigger. The Emperor was dead.
Dawn broke, and the cry of the countless vultures overhead woke the villagers from their slumber. The smell of death filled the air and immediately they all knew their quiet little village would stay quiet no longer. Amongst the ruins of the Palace the village found the body of their beloved Emperor as well as the bodies of his fallen guards. There was a note posted on the town gallows which read “We will not rest until every last villagers is dead. You will all pay for what you have done to me”. The town was confused at this note, but knew what they must do. A new Emperor must be elected, one prepared to fight the Mafia insurgence and save the town from brutal slaughter.
Liquiville prided itself on it’s cheese, after all it was Liquiville’s primary export. The Cheese factory lay on the outskirts of the village and operated around the clock manufacturing cheese. Four members of the Mafia congregated outside of the factory and planned to butcher the occupants and ruin the towns economy. The Mafia entered the building and split up; two travelled alone while two travelled together.
The first headed straight for the control room. His quickened walk looked almost arrogant as he kept his eyes peeled for any sign of resistance. The Mafioso burst through the control room door and Shikyo leapt from his chair in shock. Disappointed that there was only one occupant, the Mafioso sighed and punched Shikyo in the gut, causing him to fall face first onto the ground. Standing above Shikyo, the Mafioso opened fire on his head. By the end of the incident there was more metal inside of Shikyo’s head than organic material. Satisfied with a job well done, the Mafioso signalled to his colleagues that the Control Room was secure.
The team of two got to work right away sabotaging the Cheese factory. As one sprinkled fox glove seeds all over the cheese, the tall lanky one kept vigilant in case security was alerted. Elemenope had been alerted to their activities moments ago upon hearing the prolonged roar which had come from the control tower, which then prompted him to look outside his window which overlooked the entire factory. As a security guard for the factory, he knew it was his responsibility to protect the exports at all cost. He launched himself out of the window towards the two saboteurs in hopes to catch them by surprise. However the lanky one was well aware of what was going on. A simple sidestep was enough to have Elemenope come crashing to the floor, immediately the other Mafioso tied him up and strapped a bomb to his chest. No one was able to help Elemenope before the timer ran out.
There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate. “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out.
Four Mafia had entered, but only three had returned to the exit. All three of them instantly knew what had happened to Mr Julia and rushed over to the safe room to bring him back home. vivi57 was the last security guard on duty and was know well aware that the place had been hit by the Mafia. He was hiding around a corner, near the safe room, hoping the Mafia would leave him be. However, the instant the 3 Mafia passed the corner he was struck down by a large faintly warm object. He fell to the ground dazed and confused, but could make out 3 fuzzy shapes leaving with some kind of psychedelic object draped over one of their backs. The three Mafia noted that he was still alive and opened fire on vivi57 – the sheer intensity of the bullets severed vivi57’s body in two.
Meanwhile in Liquiville’s most holy temple a Priest was channeling all his rage and hate into the corpse of the recently deceased MrBabyHands. Uncertain of what his fate would be, the Priest knew in his heart that whatever the outcome, MrBabyHands must walk again for the sake of the town. The resurrection had begun.
First off is the Arrogant look. This links twice to the profile. The first link is via the skeleton picture. Slightly leaning back, the skeleton has the most arrogant possible look I've ever seen put on bones. Bit stretched, but whatever. His name also links here, since it implies that he's somewhat of a cocky guy. The second link is the fact that he kept his eyes peeled; Carbon FC links here: it is a glassy carbon used to make motorcycle visors.
Next: Shikyo leaps out of his chair in shock. Well, no fucking shit, a skeleton just broke into the room.
Third: The method of death; Explicit reference to a lack of organic matter in Shikyo's head, much like the decayed skull that TruthBringer has. That's not the 'big clue' though. The fact that his head is filled with so much lead that its more metal than flesh, however, is. An entire pistol clip couldn't do that, but a chaingun sure fucking could.
Fourth and Lastly: Vivi's death Vivi is cut in half by bullets. Chainguns can do this, pistols cannot, rifles cannot, shotguns would need to be near point blank and fired in a specific pattern to do so.
Note how there's very little solid information directly related to the character besides for his love of explosives. He's the only one I have linked to explosives via his mybrute (I checked all of the one listed in profiles, as of right now, his is the only one with a bomb). He also seems to be fairly quick, which his character is.
Between the two, Truthbringer is obviously a far better target, but I haven't found someone who links to explosives as well as Kuja. The fox glove clue can link to digitalis or cardiac drug medicines, but we can wait a day and see if anything extra comes up here.
So to recap: Vote the shit out of TruthBringer.
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And THERE'S the teamliquid rep hiding his gun in the corner, raging about the NDA, i don't think security is going to see this... if he can get that off before it's scouted this will be VERY BAD for the commentator.
And THERE HE GOES, this is a FANTASTIC move by the attempted murderer, I'm trying to hide behind the podium, just moving back and forth so he can't get a clear shot as he HARASSES me with the lazer sight, is he going to squeeze off a shot, YES!!!! And my left lung COLLAPSES, that is a HUGE problem for our release schedule! - motbob
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You're going to cut off this thing first with just a knife, using only ice as a painkiller, hoping you don't fuck up and in case you do, you're going to put salt or pepper on it? This will end well. - Ramsing
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Chezinu has a cursed green skin that the old god of the mafia world has given him. The cursed caused him to be nothing more than a vanilla townie as long as the god reign. But Chezinu now has hope! A new god of a new mafia world has appear and Chezinu was fortunate enough to be the 18th soul to be transfer to the new world. If the new god of mafia has favor on Chezinu and remove the curse, there would be great praise to the mighty Plexa!
No praise for you!! Why Plexa Why!!
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<< Comment #7 @ 17:22 GMT, 3 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' changed 'can't decide' to include 'don't cares', since they're the same effectively Edited by Demiurge at 17:25 GMT, 3 March 2009 << Comment #46 @ 07:27 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #7 Not really. For people like me, who've only watched the proof (do i even need inverted commas?) posted here on esr, the only real option is can't decided, because they proof nothing either way. That's not the same as not careing by a long shot. << Comment #52 @ 09:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #46 How is the effect not the same again? I didn't say they were same things, I said they lead to the same. Edited by Demiurge at 09:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #54 @ 10:23 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #52
By USSR Demiurge ++' changed 'can't decide' to include 'don't cares', since they're the same effectively
<< Comment #55 @ 10:23 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #54 and no, they are not. << Comment #58 @ 10:28 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #55 The effect of one is that no decision is made and the effect of the other is that no decision is made. What are you talking about? << Comment #60 @ 10:31 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #58 Nazis killed 6 million jews. Jews get old and then die. So in both cases jews are dead and it's the same thing.
I like your style. << Comment #64 @ 10:36 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #60 "Nazis killed 6 million jews. Jews get old and then die. So in both cases jews are dead and it's the same thing."
How the FUCK do you get off just leaving out a word? Its not the SAME THING. But EFFECTIVELY its the same thing.
"I like your style."
What did you say? You like my hat? Thanks. << Comment #69 @ 10:43 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #64 If you can't see the difference, or let's call it flaw in your argument, then I wonder how the fuck you ever got to work in or study anything technical. But then again, we all come to esreality to read retarded posts, so go ahead.
This thread delivers. :> << Comment #73 @ 10:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #69 Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is?
Let me make this very simple for you.
A leads to C B leads to C
A and B have same effect.
A and B are effectively the same.
Do you understand now? << Comment #74 @ 10:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #73 No. Can you maybe explain again? I'm a bit slow. << Comment #80 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #74 You have to tell me which step you fail at.
1. A leads to C B leads to C 2. A and B have same effect. 3. A and B are effectively the same. Edited by Demiurge at 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #91 @ 11:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #80 but the point is that the options do not lead to the same effect.
If you only want to know if people think he cheats or not, then yes not caring and being unable to decide have the same effect.
but if you also want to know how many people don't care about the topic and how many think that the provided data isn't good enough as proof but think its possible that he cheats, then your edit effectively denies them the information.
As with a technical observations it's a matter of the scope << Comment #119 @ 15:25 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #91 Yes, obviously some of the information is lost. Yes, I'm throwing A and B together. Yes, the scopeo f this poll is higher then the particularities such as A and B. But this doesn't have anything with the statement that A->C and B->C and therefore A and B are effectively the same, which is a true statement. << Comment #134 @ 17:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #119 only if the relation is transitive, which isn't the case here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitive_relation
/edit: or at least I and several others are of the opinion that is isn't... Edited by becks at 17:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #136 @ 18:12 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #134 Of course the relationships are arbitrary. You CAN choose to ignore causality or the transitive relationship "implication", but it makes a lot of other things simply moot. If anyone thinks that way you might as well ignore the poll completely or demand that you can select both Yes and No options at the same time or something. << Comment #138 @ 18:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #136 while nothing of you say is completely wrong you are missing the point.
people wanted the information that you took away with your edit, while imo nothing was gained through combining the options. It would have made some sense if it had let to more people to decide on the "yes" or "no" part, but for that you would have to remove the "don't care" option completely instead of adding it to the other option. << Comment #76 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #69 "If you can't see the difference, or let's call it flaw in your argument, then I wonder how the fuck you ever got to work in or study anything technical. "
Flaw in my argument? Hello, am I the one who just decided to leave out a key word out of a statement and then proceeded to have an argument about that, totally self-made statement? In what sort of technical field is ignoring whole parts of the equation a good thing? Edited by Demiurge at 11:10 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #78 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #76 In solid state physics, for example. << Comment #81 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Germany - Nordrhein-Westfalen nekon ++' - Reply to #78 lol ughe nerd << Comment #84 @ 10:59 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By pandabearguy KekS ++++ - Reply to #78 he accidently the whole sentence << Comment #85 @ 11:01 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #84 shit . << Comment #56 @ 10:24 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #54 What the fuck is the problem?
they're the same effectively
You can't read? << Comment #59 @ 10:29 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #56 even if you said they'd lead to the same thing, effectively, it is still not the same, thing or not, effectively. stop being a shit troll. See #48, #49, #51.
oh and last time an admin (even site admin) decided to edit other users' posts, people went nuts. what about that? << Comment #63 @ 10:34 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #59 "even if you said they'd lead to the same thing, effectively, it is still not the same, thing or not, effectively. stop being a shit troll."
Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Saying they lead to the same is same thing as saying "EFFECTIVELY the same". Stop being plain fucking stupid.
"See #48, #49, #51."
So there is one dumb person and two trolls? What the point?
"oh and last time an admin (even site admin) decided to edit other users' posts, people went nuts. what about that?"
Holy jesus christ, god forgive me, everyone is going nuts already. Starting with you. << Comment #67 @ 10:40 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #63 Stop being plain fucking stupid. << Comment #71 @ 10:44 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #67 Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is?
Let me make this very simple for you.
A leads to C B leads to C
A and B have same effect.
A and B are effectively the same.
Do you understand now? << Comment #137 @ 18:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By United States of America Lo ++ - Reply to #71 just tell him he doesn't understand how the word 'effectively' changes the meaning of your original statement. so many posts for something that could've been resolved in 2 or 3 posts. << Comment #151 @ 12:30 GMT, 7 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #137 you don't settle arguments involving yeltsin in 2-3 posts. ever. but it's just trolling anyway :> << Comment #68 @ 10:41 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Nuke Explosion raithza ++ - Reply to #59 ESR delivers << Comment #61 @ 10:32 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #56 They are not even close to the same. One option says that you don't care, e.g. haven't looked at the demos, followed the discussion etc while the other options makes clear that you have, in fact, spend some time on it and came to the conclusion that the presented evidence so far is inconclusive.
They are not effectively the same, they are not even related. Better options would have been yes/no/inconclusive evidence/dont care.
Not saying it matters much anyway, since it's a fun vote. << Comment #66 @ 10:38 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #61 The effect of one is that no decision is made and the effect of the other is that no decision is made. What are you talking about? << Comment #70 @ 10:44 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #66 That's not the correct translation of effectively though, which would be something like for all practical purposes. << Comment #72 @ 10:47 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #70 "Effectively" literally means "With effect". "For all practical purposes" is actually the same thing. Practically, realistically, logically. The point is that the EFFECT of both is the same. << Comment #75 @ 10:52 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #72 your attempt at funny failed. get over it. << Comment #77 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #75 Get over what? Do you have anything meaningful to say, at all? << Comment #79 @ 10:54 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #77 Who are you to judge really, lol! << Comment #82 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #79 Good thing I'm not judging, I'm asking! LOL! << Comment #83 @ 10:58 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #72 No, one refers only to the result, the other to the whole process. Language is not math. Saying locking someone in prison after a trial in accordance with the rule of law is essentialy the same as holding someone hostage in your basement is not true, even though in both cases you restrict the persons freedom to move, so the result is the same.
But even if I'd follow your definition, the effect in this pole is not the same. Don't care means no decision at all, inconclusive means a conscious decision not to make a final decision. << Comment #87 @ 11:02 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #83 I can easily see how this happened considering the sensitive topic here, but leave the poles out of this. << Comment #88 @ 11:04 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #87 Lol, will leave this Freudian slip in for comical value :D << Comment #89 @ 11:07 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #88 :D << Comment #90 @ 11:09 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #83 "No, one refers only to the result, the other to the whole process."
Which to which?
"Language is not math."
Depends on how you use it. You can describe math in using English language if you want to.
"Saying locking someone in prison after a trial in accordance with the rule of law is essentially the same as holding someone hostage in your basement is not true, even though in both cases you restrict the persons freedom to move, so the result is the same."
No, first, saying 'they're essentially the same' is not as saying they're 'effectively the same. Second, saying 'they're effectively the same' is wrong too, because basement is not jail, so the result is NOT the same, but similar. You can, therefore, say that in both cases you're "effectively restring the persons freedom to move".
"But even if I'd follow your definition, the effect in this pole is not the same. Don't care means no decision at all, inconclusive means a conscious decision not to make a final decision."
First case no decision is made. Second case, no decision is made but a different reason. The effect is the same? << Comment #93 @ 11:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #90 but can you describe language using math? << Comment #97 @ 12:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #90
No, first, saying 'they're essentially the same' is not as saying they're 'effectively the same. Second, saying 'they're effectively the same' is wrong too, because basement is not jail, so the result is NOT the same, but similar. You can, therefore, say that in both cases you're "effectively restring the persons freedom to move"."
Besides, the whole point of the prision example was that whether or not the result is the same depends on what your preconceived notion of what you're comparing is. If you say that the place of inprisonment is of importance to the result, than you're already taking circumstances into your definition of result. That's the way language works and what my "not math" statement was aimed at. There is no objective result the way an equation has a solution.
Which is why essentially, for all practical purposes and effectively are all used synonymous.
Again, given that effectively only applies to one result, whichever that result may be:
First case no decision is made. Second case, no decision is made but a different reason. The effect is the same?
It all becomes a case of what we think of as a result in this context.
Becks pretty much said it up there http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1666585#pid1666585 . The only "result" that really matters is whether or not the two options are the same for the outcome of the poll . Edited by .syL at 12:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #122 @ 15:43 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #97 Yes, same applies to my statement. However, the point about the scope and what poll is really moot. In the prison example, we have effects that can be interpreted as different. In this case we simple do not. We have A and B or we just have the effect C. There is no intermediaries. This is why I can just say that A and B are effectively the same. Me saying that they are effectively the same basically gets rid of the only other possibility that I care about the original A and B. << Comment #123 @ 15:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #122 See, and this is what I don't get. You have yes/no/informed undecided/don't care. Why are the last two the same? Purly because they are neither yes or no?
A yes or no question doesn't necessarily has to have only two possible answers that can be true, and that's the case here. << Comment #128 @ 16:38 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #123 It's semantics of the choice name. I simply included the second half of the 'other' subset in the Yes/No/Other subsets poll that was completely ignored originally. It's Yes/No and just Other and not subcategories of others because those are the simplest all-inclusive choices. 'Yes' and 'No' can be broken down as well, and there is no end to the possibilities as to how anyone reached the answer or DIDN'T reach it, which is the 'Other'. I didn't make this poll. I just amended it to what I saw as including all possibilities. Edited by Demiurge at 16:46 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #143 @ 20:13 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Nuke Explosion raithza ++ - Reply to #123 You know what I think... I think we should have a another poll, related to this one, but not let everyone vote, only limit it to the people that voted don't know/don't care in this one, then have two options in that poll, like one would be for "don't know" and the other one would be for "don't care", and then people would vote and we would know the true answer to this dilemma.
and stuff << Comment #109 @ 14:20 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #90 agardenchair aside, the more I think about it the more I feel we're on the same page anyway. We just have different expectations as to what the result of this poll is.
I guess that if all you're looking for is whether a majority of users thinks he cheated, with don't care/undecided counting neither towards yes nor no, then I'd agree that it doesn't matter WHY they are undecided. But from my point of view at least, that's not the purpose of this poll*. It is to give an overview of what people think, and in that case distinguishing between don't care and undecided makes sense.
*The real purpose of course being drama << Comment #95 @ 12:35 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #66 He's German, he's talking about the German word 'effektiv' the whole time and will not accept the meaning 'in effect' at this time. I think we should effectively declare him the winner, as that seems to be what he's after, or he will go on forever and lo! his freund spyteman has joined him. Edited by agardenchair at 12:37 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #98 @ 12:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #95 No, effectively in english has the same primary meaning as in german. Effectively the way he used it is synonymous with essentially, in fact, for all practical purposes. Edited by .syL at 12:55 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #100 @ 13:10 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #98 Lieber Freund, can you operate google, then hätten Sie see können, dass the English word 'effectlive' can bedeuten both. Ich write in Denglish um to protect you from the eyes of the amused English speaking people areound you, reading your special aggregation of English Wörter with delight. << Comment #101 @ 13:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #100 Are you mentally retarded or just trolling? It's quite clear that no one ever used effectively in the same way as effektiv in german. The whole discussion (examplified by spyte's jew example) was whether effectively (translated as "so far as the result is concerned") only refers to one specific result or takes circumstances into account.
And my argument was that there is no difference, since you can't distinguish circumstances from result in most cases. Edited by .syL at 13:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #111 @ 14:45 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #101 he's just a troll, it's best to ignore him. << Comment #114 @ 14:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #111 But where's the fun in that? << Comment #115 @ 14:55 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #101 Dummkopf! Schlafmütze! That difference between result and procecss can be applied to 'effective' and 'efficient' but not here. I can use 'effectively' arbitrarily if I say which effect I wish to look at.
Effectively Bayern München won if winning = gaining experience.
It is clear to everyone but you what the thread starter meant in this case. Effectively 'uninterested' and 'undecided' are the same because they are not counted as 'yes' or 'no'. << Comment #117 @ 14:57 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #115 <3 << Comment #102 @ 13:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #100 since you seem to know more than you wrote please elaborate on the matter why the sentences "don't care" and "can't decide" are "in effect" the same. (which does not only mean that they "can" lead to the same result!)
if you want you may use the synonyms listed here: http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/in effect << Comment #105 @ 14:00 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #102 No, I will not elaborate on this for syl, spyteman or whoever to start another round of Kindergarten banter. Liebe people, groß und klein, from Germany and elsewhere, pull euch gefälligst a little zusammen, wenn you are besuching international websites. Edited by agardenchair at 14:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #107 @ 14:13 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By intelliRocket Blue [mash] ++: - Reply to #105 first drogen experience, genosse? << Comment #116 @ 14:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #107 mash, syl, spyteman and becks vs. agardenchair... should I be troubled? << Comment #118 @ 15:14 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #116 ask your shit troll friend yeltsin for backup << Comment #120 @ 15:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #118 Have you not any shame? I broke things down for you into the simplest way possible and you have nothing to say to that. But you still post around your 'lol failed' and 'lol troll' snotty remarks like a bitter kid? << Comment #121 @ 15:35 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #120 lol troll, you failed! << Comment #124 @ 16:00 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #118 'troll' is a handy word for people like you to use on people like me. Your internet presence depends on words like that, One, who does not have command over many words must find words that can be used like daggers or swords to swing in the face of the unknowing person who is thought of being an enemy. Without the trouble of thinking if it fits or not or even has a meaning. And although I can fully understand it, I have disdain for you, even though I don't even know you. It is a small feeling of disgust. The word 'troll' galls me. People who use it gall me. It's against everything positive, fun or productive I can think of. << Comment #125 @ 16:02 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #124 jonesy > you << Comment #126 @ 16:27 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #125 Okay, although you are writing with someone who is still putting a lot of effort into describing things from his point of view and giving you his time, you go for the spectacularly immature idioms and hieroglyphs of youthful internet lingo to fend off anyone who you deem to be an offender. << Comment #127 @ 16:32 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #126 yup. so what? << Comment #108 @ 14:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #105 wtf? << Comment #110 @ 14:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #105 oh too bad, I had hoped you would try and fail. << Comment #113 @ 14:47 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #110 he went for fail only it seems << Comment #129 @ 17:01 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! tourist ++: - Reply to #113 this thread now has 5 germans in it . this officially qualifies it for the most anal thread in history. << Comment #133 @ 17:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #129 try visiting counterstrike.de << Comment #139 @ 19:36 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! tourist ++: - Reply to #133 yes, but notice that esr is an international site, and as such it's strange that only participants in what's probably the most anal thread ever, are 5 germans and a russian. and me (sry for ruin btw) << Comment #140 @ 19:45 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #139 don't be sorry, your appearance probably made it even more anal.
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Alright, how can I make myself a prime mafia suspect...hmm, here are some vague references (they can refer to anything!)
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On July 06 2009 10:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, as we are not 100% decided yet on weather.
Sunny - Do not vote for, no decent targets to let assassins loose on, not worth the effort.
Snow - Is the potential of their getting an extra KP warrent us wanting more clues.
Fog- if we fail lynch, we have a for sure drop of KP again
Rain - medics can double protect, bomber can't use his bomb.
I personally believe that snow or fog are our best bets today.
Reasoning for this. Rain although useful for its stopping of the bomber, I doubt mafia would be dumb enough to waste some of their KP when we have a plan to give a 100% confirmed role town leadership, bomb would be saved for him. Medics also seem to have a hard time protecting the right people.
Now, Fog potentially drops KP again (although if we lynch one mafia i doubt this will be the case), and lastly snow
Snow allows us to have lists for dt's to check, and give us extra clues for the following day.
I recommend pushing fog for now, unless new information comes forward.
I just realized, "Rain although useful for its stopping of the bomber, I doubt mafia would be dumb enough to waste some of their KP when we have a plan to give a 100% confirmed role town leadership, bomb would be saved for him." Uh lol. If mafia figures out priest, and are pretty sure of it, they send bomber and confirmed role isn't coming back.
On July 06 2009 04:13 TruthBringer wrote: The large faintly warm object seems to be Mr. Julia, one of the mafia guys. He is also described as psychedelic. He is good at combinations, and he cracked the safe. He got startled and his burn wound changed color and pulsated. He went into a crazed assault and then passed out pulsating.
There is a LOT of info on Mr. Julia.
I just saw this post too, reminds me of like a PHOENIX OR A FUCKING BIRD PYRR ARE YOU MAFIA??
On July 06 2009 06:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Alright, I rounded up all the posts by the dead, including from the voting thread:
Fishball: "Passing by. Role confirmed." "I see a lot of math... If that's what you're planning for BC, I'd say lynch MBH first." "I abstain"
Shikyo: "Posting to confirm I got my role. Also, I probably won't be able to be as active as in the last Mafia, but I'll be sure to check this at least a couple of times a day." (after death) "Sigh, I've been more busy than I thought I would >< It might continue for a few more days. Anyway, I voted for bloodycobbler solely because I feel that he's the more experienced and solid player. I hope that later tonight I'll have the time to analyse the clues a bit better and actually think about some strategy... sorry everyone :/ Even my liquibet is screwed because of this >< No time to bet." "Hadn't refreshed for a while, and what do I find... well this helps ^_^ GJ mafia targeting an inactive, easy win town." "I vote for BloodyCobbler for now. "
Elemenope: "/confirm
As for the weather: I don't believe Snow first night would be good, as stated since we don't know how exactly clues are going to be based. However, if we wait too long, then we'll miss a good timing window in my opinion. Snow really peaks at its usefulness once we find our first mafia. After that night, the other weathers outstrip it until either all pledges are dead, all assassinations are used, or all angels are dead in my opinion. But we have to get a mafia within the next 2 days (possibly 1), to make the most use out of it if we ever do decide to do Snow, otherwise it's just too late it seems with a KP of 5.
Sunny wouldn't be a good option either for first weather since we have no good targets.
As for Fog or Rain; I believe going for Rain would be the better option. Although there would be a guaranteed drop in KP if we do Fog; Angels only have one protection and there are no second lives for other players (except the angels themselves). With a KP of 5; and only 2 protections available, some of our better contributors can die early on and that would be a massive blow to the town. We can drop that to 4 with Fog, but that'd still leave 2 important people to die (possibly). With 4 protections though, we'd have a better protection spread among the town, and we'd also have the possibility of reducing KP through stacked hits on top of that (which I think is the more likely scenario that will happen if we do Rain).
And although the chance of a suicide bomber on night one is unlikely, we'd still lock him out if we do Rain, in comparison to the possible scenario of the bomber taking out somebody on the medic list *and* the angel(s) protecting him on night one.
I just feel that the risk of having 2 important, contributing members of the town die is just too great compared to double angel protection and most likely forcing mafia to stack hits
Can anybody tell me if I'm wrong in this thinking of Rain over Fog before I send in my vote?" "Also, Plexa: Can mafia target their own members for hits?" "WHY AREN'T YOU WARDING THE WHOLE GAME YOU CUNTBUCKET" "hurrdurr" "I abstain from voting."
Vivi57: no posts in main thread "just got added to the forum, so I'll abstain for now
it's 6:30 in the morning now so I'll read the thread when i'm not half asleep" "I change my vote from abstain to BloodyCobbler
reason: bc seems like a solid choice and there's no major flaws in his plan. bc over L because after L's 50 pages of spam with ace last game, I have 0 confidence in his ability
On July 06 2009 13:31 HeavOnEarth wrote: where the hell did araav come from wtf
To be honest i have looked a lot into clues and I think you fit well into Mr Julia. My reasoning:
There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer(Hi. Nub. Lawl. Ez!!) to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations(see your profile) and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate(google search on you returns http://www.heavenearth.co.uk/ oxygen+fire => combustion also from that page "Oxygen Supplementation - a Key to Vibrant Health".) “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out. Last note to the fact that Mr Julia has a female name and the suplement is focused on women (see pictures in page).
I guess we should think of it this way: if we think mafia/angels will figure out the priest, vote rain. If not, vote fog? Definitely need rain tomorrow to help MBH live through the night unless MBH says otherwise. He'll probably be able to have a list of confirmed blues to pass info towards.
On July 08 2009 10:08 redtooth wrote: Guys, I feel like we missed an essential part of mafia analysis. That part being: why isn't ________ dead?
Prior to the Day post, there were 3 "prime" targets: - L - Heav0nEarth - Pyrr
They were the biggest movers/shakers not named BC. Why would mafia play alphabet soup instead of trying to knock off the actually helpful people? The question is whether one of them is mafia or whether they are doing more harm to the town than good (Pyrr's clue analysis is often farfetched and L's friendly banters with BC tend to bury a lot of possibly informative posts) and mafia is just willing to sit back and let them do damage. I'm sure mafia is not incompetent enough to just kill off totally random people with no hints of blueness and no real usefulness than take a shot at the useful ones.
I'm willing to bet that one of the above are mafia.
Remember, the general consensus among the town was that one of the candidates for Emperor is mafia. Why did we totally drop that idea as soon as BC was elected? I believe L and Heav0n are prime suspects and should be watched very carefully. Truthbringer's color will likely reveal a lot but let's not take L and Heav0n (and to a way lesser extent Pyrr) off the suspect list yet.
how is my clue analysis farfetched? my analysis on araav made perfect sense, ydg made a legitimate point on why it might be unlikely and I refuted that. I listed a few lesser quality links with the caveat that I didn't think they were real ones. BC's the one that's been shotgunning clue analysis on judge and some vehicle thing about araav when the flower stuff makes much more sense, and I don't think he could even come up with anything for YDG.
On July 08 2009 07:20 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: How is some ravey psychedelic shit like a bird? Maybe the burn thing could vaguely be like a Phoenix but that would have to be more backwards of a link to Pyrrhuloxia than foxglove being a clue for araav which you have shit all over.
Well that's why I brought it up. Thanks for addressing it. I was thinking, Mr Julia dies (in a fire no less), gets reborn (which is why the mafia "knew what had happened") and it doesn't say anything about them carrying a person, rather "a psychedelic object."
The thing that hit vivi was a "large faintly warm object," which could very well be a bird.
Weak, but I thought that I might bring it up, see what people think. And no, it is nothing like foxglove, because Plexa did not say "a phoenix rose up and smacked vivi." Instead he is describing a phoenix, so we have to figure out the phoenix bit. And so it's not direct.
But a phoenix may not necessarily point to you, can also point to RebirthOfLeGenD, as in 'rebirth,' and I'm sure there are others. I just wanted to see what people think. But again, thanks for addressing it.
I hope I do get lynched tonight so I can as Plexa if I'm right LOL.
Because that's fucking likely, Plexa would think well here's a bird, I'll pick an unrelated bird and then find a famous person named after that bird, and then look up what celebrity is born the same day. This is exactly what you were accusing me of earlier. EX-FUCKING- ACTLY. You googled Phoenix and Julia to try to find a link between the two, when if your train of linkage is RebirthofLegend or Pyrrhuloxia or whoever -> Phoenix -> Julia, that couldn't happen because Plexa wouldn't google "Phoenix and Julia" because there's no link between the two unless you look for it deliberately.
On July 08 2009 07:20 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: How is some ravey psychedelic shit like a bird? Maybe the burn thing could vaguely be like a Phoenix but that would have to be more backwards of a link to Pyrrhuloxia than foxglove being a clue for araav which you have shit all over.
Well that's why I brought it up. Thanks for addressing it. I was thinking, Mr Julia dies (in a fire no less), gets reborn (which is why the mafia "knew what had happened") and it doesn't say anything about them carrying a person, rather "a psychedelic object."
The thing that hit vivi was a "large faintly warm object," which could very well be a bird.
Weak, but I thought that I might bring it up, see what people think. And no, it is nothing like foxglove, because Plexa did not say "a phoenix rose up and smacked vivi." Instead he is describing a phoenix, so we have to figure out the phoenix bit. And so it's not direct.
But a phoenix may not necessarily point to you, can also point to RebirthOfLeGenD, as in 'rebirth,' and I'm sure there are others. I just wanted to see what people think. But again, thanks for addressing it.
I hope I do get lynched tonight so I can as Plexa if I'm right LOL.
Because that's fucking likely, Plexa would think well here's a bird, I'll pick an unrelated bird and then find a famous person named after that bird, and then look up what celebrity is born the same day. This is exactly what you were accusing me of earlier. EX-FUCKING- ACTLY. You googled Phoenix and Julia to try to find a link between the two, when if your train of linkage is RebirthofLegend or Pyrrhuloxia or whoever -> Phoenix -> Julia, that couldn't happen because Plexa wouldn't google "Phoenix and Julia" because there's no link between the two unless you look for it deliberately.
I forgot to add that where you start with all that is a burning sensation / warmth. And end up at julia roberts. Yeah, no.
On July 08 2009 13:42 L wrote: Scamp, Chezinu, IloveKT, Scaramanga, Heav0nEarth. all have additional clues linking them to certain characters.
I should have gone to sleep like 2 hours ago and its going to be nearly impossible to shift the votes off one of the two players who are currently tied, so I'll write up exactly why later.
Are you saying you believe our two main suspects are both innocent?
On July 08 2009 13:30 redtooth wrote: i change my vote to abstain. please get truthbringer killed.
you know what would help with that... IF YOU CHANGED YOUR VOTE TO TRUTHBRINGER YOU RETARDED PLEDGE I can't think of any other reason why you would post something like that except if you knew truthbringer is red and gonna die and you want to look for that happening, but you don't want a mystic to be able to check you since they can't check abstainers.
On July 08 2009 13:30 redtooth wrote: i change my vote to abstain. please get truthbringer killed.
you know what would help with that... IF YOU CHANGED YOUR VOTE TO TRUTHBRINGER YOU RETARDED PLEDGE I can't think of any other reason why you would post something like that except if you knew truthbringer is red and gonna die and you want to look for that happening, but you don't want a mystic to be able to check you since they can't check abstainers.
I guess this could mean redtooth knows TruthBringer is innocent and wants to get his vote off of co-mafia YDG and by abstaining he won't be among those looking suspicious for picking the innocent TruthBringer + won't be able to be checked by the Mystic.
On July 08 2009 13:50 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: From voting thread:
On July 08 2009 13:30 redtooth wrote: i change my vote to abstain. please get truthbringer killed.
you know what would help with that... IF YOU CHANGED YOUR VOTE TO TRUTHBRINGER YOU RETARDED PLEDGE I can't think of any other reason why you would post something like that except if you knew truthbringer is red and gonna die and you want to look for that happening, but you don't want a mystic to be able to check you since they can't check abstainers.
*sigh*. okay. the reason why i voted abstain instead of truthbringer is by abstaining i sort of guarantee truthbringer's death (it was 12-12 with him and ydg but abstaining gave truthbringer a lead almost minutes before votes were finalized) but i don't increase the votelist count so mystics have more names to deal with. i understand its only a difference of 1 but it is enough of a difference. stop making retarded assumptions.
e: just wanted to mention that i was actually thinking about voting myself (e.g. I vote redtooth) to keep myself off the abstain list and create a possibility for a virtual rolecheck in an isolated list but didn't know if that was legal. so question: is it legal?
You don't want to increase the count so they have more names to deal with. Ya, that might work as an explanation if you were confirmed innocent. As for voting for yourself, I doubt you can do that but you could have voted for someone no one had voted for before, but then you would just be trying to get someone to waste a vote check on you alone. You goin' down tomato boy.
On July 10 2009 02:00 ydg wrote: Btw, if you want to behavior analyze, check these guys out: ecomania: + Show Spoiler +
On July 03 2009 06:03 ecomania wrote: got my role
On July 05 2009 21:57 ecomania wrote: I'm sorry, that I seem so inactive to you, BC. In fact, I tried to contribute something to the thread, but I failed to find any good clues in the day post, nor have I found any leads while googling for the players names/phrases from the day post. I thought it would be kind of unnecessary to just post stuff like "Ye, fog seems pretty good, reduce KP and find out how many pledges there are n stuff". So I just kept reading the thread and submitted my weather/emperor votes. As for why I voted L for emperor, I'm being honest with you that I don't know your playing styles from previous games, but you guys seemed both equally competent. It was actually nothing but this phrase of yours "I am already seeing idiocy of players that has led to many vets getting insanely discouraged with playing these games." that sounded pretty arrogant to me and made me vote for L. I guess I should've just abstained from voting and let people with more experience do the voting.
Well, from now on I'll try harder to participate in the clue analysis and bring forth our hunt on the mafia.
A clue about the priest will be revealed on the first night tho. So if the mafia find out who the priest is, they can pick him off before he has finished reviving MBH and MBH will be silenced even longer. I guess one of the angels should protect the priest, so the revival process won't fail.
On July 06 2009 22:19 StorZerg wrote: been a bit inactive in this game
So when MBH gets revived, shouldn't the angles protect him so that he can revive someone?
other wise, once he gets up and "takes over" leadership. he can just be killed off, and the reviving process will be lost correct?
Afaik not MBH but a random player will be designated to become the next priest. If we don't want the suicide bomber to blow MBH up together with the angels protecting him we would have to vote for rain after MBH has been revived.
On July 08 2009 00:38 ecomania wrote: I don't get it why there are 3 guys randomly voting to lynch me. Both L's and BC's analysis seemed pretty solid to me, so I chose to abstain first. But now that ydg is voting for me I'm just going with him ;P Or was time for voting already up? I'm getting confused with the time zones...
Upon going back to their houses in preparation for the night, araav felt the urge to consume some food. Sitting down at his dinner table with a fresh wedge of cheese he knew his craving would be fulfilled. Unfortunately, someone had screwed up at the cheese factory and the wedge was coated in poisonous fox glove seeds. araav fell to the floor dead within minutes of consuming the food.
Doesn't that make araav/Caller innocent? I guess a mafia wouldn't eat the cheese he poisoned himself.
On July 06 2009 22:19 StorZerg wrote: been a bit inactive in this game
So when MBH gets revived, shouldn't the angles protect him so that he can revive someone?
other wise, once he gets up and "takes over" leadership. he can just be killed off, and the reviving process will be lost correct?
Afaik not MBH but a random player will be designated to become the next priest. If we don't want the suicide bomber to blow MBH up together with the angels protecting him we would have to vote for rain after MBH has been revived.
but it won't be a mafia member correct?
also is it a big chance the mafia will try their hardest to get MBH killed again, so that we the townies are left with no one to trust again?
On July 07 2009 01:12 StorrZerg wrote: I don't get the end.. Under a lot of _____
???
On July 07 2009 01:24 StorrZerg wrote: Thanks by medics do you mean angles?
Day 1, they would've had a total KP of 4.5, rounded up to 5 (ceiling) We voted fog, it got lowered to 3.5, rounded up to 4. 2 pledges out of the equation Day 2, we lynch one mafioso, and it gets lowered to 3 with the fog vote. -1 Mafioso and -2 pledges from the equation.
so is there any other way it could be?
1 GF 4 Mafiosos 3 Pledges?
On July 09 2009 00:33 StorrZerg wrote: <3 for the math
On July 09 2009 02:12 StorrZerg wrote: maybe they should move in together?
On July 09 2009 02:20 StorrZerg wrote: o why your mafia and calling it out all ready? or sin?
On July 09 2009 02:38 StorrZerg wrote: cause i can't see in fog.... i mean i stumble along the paths and trip.
On July 09 2009 02:25 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Ugh why did people vote fog? This could be bad :\
Caller, the way I interpreted that writing was that the "roar" was either the roar of gunfire or an alarm, not the mafioso's signal. Especially since it's described as "prolonged". It is a funky word choice though, I'll give you that.
are you trying to act like mafia? people are already suspicious of you...
fog halves the killing power of PLEDGES and we got rid of a MAFIA, fog is actually very good. add to the fact that we really dont need vote list checks this early and it guarantees a low kill night while we gather up more information. how is fog bad again?
because the potential benefits of rain are better. with fog we decrease their kp to 3 from 4 so that equates to 3 mafia hits tonight. assuming the angels miraculously do their jobs correctly, we have a net kill of 1. however with rain we double the angels protect powers to a total of four saves and get a net kill of 0.
I'm not saying I agree with infundibulum. i was torn between the two myself (do we trust angels or play it safe?). but don't accuse him of being mafia simply because he disagreed with weather.
yeah that requires the angles 2 people 4 saves (rain) to protect what 20 people? the odds of that happening are far less, and just gives mafia more kills rather than less
On July 09 2009 04:22 StorrZerg wrote: Seeing that sun made me think of a new day
On July 09 2009 08:06 StorrZerg wrote: wanna predict whose gonna die? lol
On July 09 2009 10:33 StorrZerg wrote: thought this game was suppose to stay in here lol
On July 09 2009 23:23 MrBabyHands wrote: so that means i'm only partially resurrected. making me the undead?
*stumbles around aimlessly*
brraaaaiiiiinnnnnssss!
ahh nooo don't eat me
Now these are the same people LucasWoj said were mafia (along with judge and chaoser lol) and what have their posts been? Not much. Not helping the town. Especially StorrZerg, he has so many posts yet not one of them is helpful at all, or even trying to be helpful. StorrZerg also voted for Truthbringer towards the end, when it was around 12-10, him being the 12th. Ecomania voted for me with his lame pretense "But now that ydg is voting for me I'm just going with him ;P"
Finally, these two have no profile information besides their names. So it should be easy to look up clues for them. EDIT: spoilers
We'll take care of you tonight
err.....I mean today.
Lucas. If you were a helpful townie you would stay quiet. You're just annoying everybody with your trolling.
I think I've made it quite obvious to everyone that I am a green townie though. Therefore, TIME FOR STEP #2. EVERYONE SEND IN YOUR ROLES TO ME. I AM CONFIRMED GREEN.
Is this hurrdurr? I see nothing explaining this anywhere.
Alright, I see BC is going on about how I am Mr. Julia so I should respond: He says the video is about a locked door but it's a guy opening his own door because he already knows the password, not a safecracker. He says the changing color thing is from the gun in Another World, which, as L pointed out, isn't true. He says a fireball burns the dude in the video, when it is really him getting hit by accelerated particles, which is explained in the text within the video, again L, a confirmed innocent, came to this conclusion as well. Additionally, L pointed out "Overall, the pulsating quality, the berserker lack of ability to stop, his name (perhaps not a clue) and his one spoken line are kinda unaccounted for." I think the most important part of Mr Julia is the changing color -> berserk and how they "instantly knew what had happened to Mr Julia" which sounds like Hulk and could point to the green skin of Chezinu. Alternatively the burning -> to healing could indeed be a Phoenix which would point to Rebirth of Legend.
Well I guess BC's attempt to leave me alive to get me lynched was kindly F'd in the A with today's clues - pretty sure nothing could link me to military background or facial surgery and the glowing from the video wasn't yellow.
Also, the other big problem is how this town has the attention span of a goldfish. I catch redtooth in a trap, and no one stand up for him but himself and ydg, both with the most spurious logic, and no one bats an eye. We only have one mystic left, we can't let people squirrel away from her/him.
On July 10 2009 02:00 ydg wrote: Btw, if you want to behavior analyze, check these guys out: ecomania: + Show Spoiler +
On July 03 2009 06:03 ecomania wrote: got my role
On July 05 2009 21:57 ecomania wrote: I'm sorry, that I seem so inactive to you, BC. In fact, I tried to contribute something to the thread, but I failed to find any good clues in the day post, nor have I found any leads while googling for the players names/phrases from the day post. I thought it would be kind of unnecessary to just post stuff like "Ye, fog seems pretty good, reduce KP and find out how many pledges there are n stuff". So I just kept reading the thread and submitted my weather/emperor votes. As for why I voted L for emperor, I'm being honest with you that I don't know your playing styles from previous games, but you guys seemed both equally competent. It was actually nothing but this phrase of yours "I am already seeing idiocy of players that has led to many vets getting insanely discouraged with playing these games." that sounded pretty arrogant to me and made me vote for L. I guess I should've just abstained from voting and let people with more experience do the voting.
Well, from now on I'll try harder to participate in the clue analysis and bring forth our hunt on the mafia.
A clue about the priest will be revealed on the first night tho. So if the mafia find out who the priest is, they can pick him off before he has finished reviving MBH and MBH will be silenced even longer. I guess one of the angels should protect the priest, so the revival process won't fail.
On July 06 2009 22:19 StorZerg wrote: been a bit inactive in this game
So when MBH gets revived, shouldn't the angles protect him so that he can revive someone?
other wise, once he gets up and "takes over" leadership. he can just be killed off, and the reviving process will be lost correct?
Afaik not MBH but a random player will be designated to become the next priest. If we don't want the suicide bomber to blow MBH up together with the angels protecting him we would have to vote for rain after MBH has been revived.
On July 08 2009 00:38 ecomania wrote: I don't get it why there are 3 guys randomly voting to lynch me. Both L's and BC's analysis seemed pretty solid to me, so I chose to abstain first. But now that ydg is voting for me I'm just going with him ;P Or was time for voting already up? I'm getting confused with the time zones...
Upon going back to their houses in preparation for the night, araav felt the urge to consume some food. Sitting down at his dinner table with a fresh wedge of cheese he knew his craving would be fulfilled. Unfortunately, someone had screwed up at the cheese factory and the wedge was coated in poisonous fox glove seeds. araav fell to the floor dead within minutes of consuming the food.
Doesn't that make araav/Caller innocent? I guess a mafia wouldn't eat the cheese he poisoned himself.
On July 06 2009 22:19 StorZerg wrote: been a bit inactive in this game
So when MBH gets revived, shouldn't the angles protect him so that he can revive someone?
other wise, once he gets up and "takes over" leadership. he can just be killed off, and the reviving process will be lost correct?
Afaik not MBH but a random player will be designated to become the next priest. If we don't want the suicide bomber to blow MBH up together with the angels protecting him we would have to vote for rain after MBH has been revived.
but it won't be a mafia member correct?
also is it a big chance the mafia will try their hardest to get MBH killed again, so that we the townies are left with no one to trust again?
On July 07 2009 01:12 StorrZerg wrote: I don't get the end.. Under a lot of _____
???
On July 07 2009 01:24 StorrZerg wrote: Thanks by medics do you mean angles?
Day 1, they would've had a total KP of 4.5, rounded up to 5 (ceiling) We voted fog, it got lowered to 3.5, rounded up to 4. 2 pledges out of the equation Day 2, we lynch one mafioso, and it gets lowered to 3 with the fog vote. -1 Mafioso and -2 pledges from the equation.
so is there any other way it could be?
1 GF 4 Mafiosos 3 Pledges?
On July 09 2009 00:33 StorrZerg wrote: <3 for the math
On July 09 2009 02:12 StorrZerg wrote: maybe they should move in together?
On July 09 2009 02:20 StorrZerg wrote: o why your mafia and calling it out all ready? or sin?
On July 09 2009 02:38 StorrZerg wrote: cause i can't see in fog.... i mean i stumble along the paths and trip.
On July 09 2009 02:25 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Ugh why did people vote fog? This could be bad :\
Caller, the way I interpreted that writing was that the "roar" was either the roar of gunfire or an alarm, not the mafioso's signal. Especially since it's described as "prolonged". It is a funky word choice though, I'll give you that.
are you trying to act like mafia? people are already suspicious of you...
fog halves the killing power of PLEDGES and we got rid of a MAFIA, fog is actually very good. add to the fact that we really dont need vote list checks this early and it guarantees a low kill night while we gather up more information. how is fog bad again?
because the potential benefits of rain are better. with fog we decrease their kp to 3 from 4 so that equates to 3 mafia hits tonight. assuming the angels miraculously do their jobs correctly, we have a net kill of 1. however with rain we double the angels protect powers to a total of four saves and get a net kill of 0.
I'm not saying I agree with infundibulum. i was torn between the two myself (do we trust angels or play it safe?). but don't accuse him of being mafia simply because he disagreed with weather.
yeah that requires the angles 2 people 4 saves (rain) to protect what 20 people? the odds of that happening are far less, and just gives mafia more kills rather than less
On July 09 2009 04:22 StorrZerg wrote: Seeing that sun made me think of a new day
On July 09 2009 08:06 StorrZerg wrote: wanna predict whose gonna die? lol
On July 09 2009 10:33 StorrZerg wrote: thought this game was suppose to stay in here lol
On July 09 2009 23:23 MrBabyHands wrote: so that means i'm only partially resurrected. making me the undead?
*stumbles around aimlessly*
brraaaaiiiiinnnnnssss!
ahh nooo don't eat me
Now these are the same people LucasWoj said were mafia (along with judge and chaoser lol) and what have their posts been? Not much. Not helping the town. Especially StorrZerg, he has so many posts yet not one of them is helpful at all, or even trying to be helpful. StorrZerg also voted for Truthbringer towards the end, when it was around 12-10, him being the 12th. Ecomania voted for me with his lame pretense "But now that ydg is voting for me I'm just going with him ;P"
Finally, these two have no profile information besides their names. So it should be easy to look up clues for them. EDIT: spoilers
We'll take care of you tonight
err.....I mean today.
Lucas. If you were a helpful townie you would stay quiet. You're just annoying everybody with your trolling.
I think I've made it quite obvious to everyone that I am a green townie though. Therefore, TIME FOR STEP #2. EVERYONE SEND IN YOUR ROLES TO ME. I AM CONFIRMED GREEN.
Is this hurrdurr? I see nothing explaining this anywhere.
lol, definitely mafia.
EDIT: Have you even been reading this thread? Go back and re-read it and you'll find that I've been confirmed GREEN.
DON'T LET PYRR'S POSTS COVER UP MINE. SEND IN YOUR ROLES TO ME. I already have four now. You cannot trust anyone but me, right malongo?
Don't make us waste a lynch on you. Even if you were a confirmed green there would be no point in sending in roles to you because you are absolutely retarded and could not possibly coordinate anything.
I find the word retarded to be offensive. In the future, please use 'mentally handicapped/challeneged" Thank you.
That's it, I've had it with this shit. Rule number 1 of Mafia: Lynch all liars. This fucker is obviously trying to bury something with sludge after pretending to be confirmed green to get the roles of a few dumbass sheeple. You post shit again, you're dead. I find clues for you, you're dead.
On July 10 2009 03:28 StorrZerg wrote: would it be wrong to link Bockit?
his icon being a mask, phantom of the opera gliding flying ect ect.
or am i going no where?
ooh also, the time mentioned is 3:14, pi is about 3.14 and bockit has that circular thing... I haven't seen any weird behavior from him though I haven't looked hard.
BloodyC0bbler is fucking dead. Alright, so for his previous post trying to kill me off, he used a video of another world. To get to that video, you'd follow a link from my profile to my blog, and then look at a video that is only linked in a small text link. It's 20+ video with about every possible attack you could find, but fair enough. I'm willing to buy that Plexa might go that far. But now, BC can't find anything in that 23+ minute video to link to me, so he goes to the sequel, which has a different protagonist and isn't linked or mentioned by me at all, anywhere, since I haven't even heard of it before now. Notice how he doesn't mention military training in the traits of Mr Julia that we learned today. This is because he can't even find something for that (if only there had been an Another World 3!). The first one he mentions is "yellowish skin" and he assures the reader there's a dude with yellowish skin in there. Well if you watched the video, you'd be worried BC has undiagnosed colorblindness because the guy is a mix of pink and grey.
"In a way this mirrors the video in the sense of the man with the skin/scars quickly flee's as he senses his time is near, as and quickly hides his target in the cheese factory (at the end of that clip he is dragged into a monster den)."
This is so reaching. The dude doesn't have a nose, but remember, this is the protagonist of Another World 2, not Another World 1. There's no facial surgery in either game that I remember, and the guy doesn't have a nose BECAUSE HIS SPECIES DOESN'T HAVE NOSES, not because it was removed.
"by slipping to the side and grabbing it from behind and punching it in its face to bring it down. " Again total bullshit, he doesn't "slip" to the side, he grabs it from the side and then starts punching. Wow, couldn't find a violent act as common as face punching in a 23 minute video, so he had to find a playthrough of the sequel.
"L hit the mark perfectly on the truthbringer analysis, his analysis gave me the cipher I used to link pyrr to mr julia" oh beautiful, as soon as L dies, BC acts like they were the best of buds. L caught on to BC manipulating clue evidence too:
When BC tried to incriminate me by having Fishball talk instead of Mr. Julia: L: "Please stop being wrong:. “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball."
L:"A lot of your connections are very forced, but I kinda thought Pyrr was probably mafia yesterday too. You got all of the colour changes wrong in terms of type; purple to black for the shirt is the real change for instance.The change in colour of his clothes was a very good catch, though. The red 'fireball' was actually just a bunch of accelerated particles (which is shown in the video). His gun doesn't pulse at all, and the guy at the end isnt' turned into bloody chunks, he's pretty much carbonized by a gigantic beam, not crushed." "The end where he does pass out and his friend puts him on the bird thing is pretty solid, though. Overall, the pulsating quality, the berserker lack of ability to stop, his name (perhaps not a clue) and his one spoken line are kinda unaccounted for."
Summary: 23 minute video and less than half the links BC made to it are good. Then we get a new set of information in the Day 3 Post about Mr Julia, and rather than being a neutral townie that rationally re-evaluates the situation, he finds a new video I've never been linked to and tries (and fails) to link me to that.
Like I said before: Could be that BC is doing great analysis on the priest behind the scenes and shotgunning gems like "entusman -> enterman" in the thread. Pretty sure this is the case now. I followed his advice on going after YDG instead of Truthbringer at first, which was a huge mistake. Luckilly, I found Truthbringer's attempt to bring out the priest / figure out which possible priests would get medic protection, but even after pointing that out, BC posted about it in the thread but wouldn't change his vote and TB only barely died. Now he's activating the double lynch because he has to if he wants any hope at surviving the day, we'll put it to good use.
On July 10 2009 03:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If you go to the last remaining 3:14 minute mark of that video you will see at 3:14 a gate is opening and a yellowish guy with no nose takes down a big monster by slipping to the side and grabbing it from behind and punching it in its face to bring it down. Much as julia beat down the big judge. Then at the end that man is beaten by the monster after he is clawed in the face and dragged off.
In a way this mirrors the video in the sense of the man with the skin/scars quickly flee's as he senses his time is near, as and quickly hides his target in the cheese factory (at the end of that clip he is dragged into a monster den).
Your analysis yesterday fit very well to the video but you are grasping at straws here. The guy isn't yellowish at all, wtf.
I meant yellowish i guess more in terms of a regular person. If you watched the video previously, the actual man has a regular skin pigment, and these other guys seem lighter in colour. Not dark to be brown/black. But normally if we see someone of a different race and lighter in colour we call them yellow. It is a stretch in the colour, I know, but alot still fits.
Their skin isn't brighter than normal, it's duller and greyish.
One important thing I need to post is, why is BC trying to kill be during the day instead of night? Well, he knows that I've had at least one medic on me during every night I've been alive for the past 2 games.
On July 10 2009 04:14 redtooth wrote: I don't get why I'm labeled as suspicious. Had truthbringer flipped green or even pledge red I understand. But during the last few minutes of voting I made (what I believed to be) a decisive move in changing my vote to abstain so that truthbringer would die. I initially voted ydg because I was sure truthbringer was mafia and would be lynched so I wanted to even out the votelist for a potential list check. Then I abstained later so that truthbringer would be killed and I wouldn't create an enormous list on truth. Then Pyrr retardedly called me a pledge but that idea was nullified by the fact that I HELPED GET A MAFIOSO KILLED. Pyrr, come out from hiding and explain to me how your logic works. Also, give me an answer on our deal.
e: the quote wasn't really needed. if you're curious, it quoted foolishness's most recent post.
TB was already going to die if they were tied. Whether or not tb was a pledge doesn't really matter, it's the fact that you can't be checked for being a pledge if you abstain. And I don't gamble or want you to quit mafia forever.
On July 09 2009 19:39 Plexa wrote: While walking through the last and only park on their journey home they heard a strange but faint laughter. A twig behind them snapped. They panicked- Caller turned and ran as fast as he could, while So no fek was petrified and could not move. The Mafioso stepped forward and ensured that So no fek would no longer be able to move. As he was running, Caller heard the laughter again, but more clearer. He looked up into the trees and a curiously clothed man glided down from the tree, but stumbled on the landing and fell over. To Callers’s surprise he burst out laughing. Not willing to take a chance, Caller backed away but his leg got caught in a trap and was hoisted into the air helpless.
Let's have a look at the profile of iNfuNdiBuLuM. The first thing you see is a man carrying a large Tuba. Forget that for now, there doesn't seem to be any link to that in the clues so far. However, scroll down more and you get to see two animated gifs of figures laughing gleefully while dressed up in what we would define as "curious garbs".
On July 08 2009 21:22 Caller wrote: guys guys guys i say we kill infundibulum
Satisfied with a job well done, the Mafioso signalled to his colleagues that the Control Room was secure.
Elemenope had been alerted to their activities moments ago upon hearing the prolonged roar which had come from the control tower, which then prompted him to look outside his window which overlooked the entire factory.
infundibulum has a tuba in his profile, which when played could definitely be construed as a loud roar. Plus, what else could make that signal?
cool, cool. some more evidence of a link. oh yeah, caller died btw. he had almost no information because he only recently entered the game. he was replacing aarav who could just as easily have been mafia because of all the clue analysis linking to him. why would it benefit mafia to kill caller? because of this post.
CLUE ANALYSIS PART 2
These are just random bits of clue analysis that could or could not work. I admit that most of these are sort of stretch connections but its just ideas being thrown out there. As such, I will play the devil's advocate to my own arguments and point out potential problems to each.
- Lenwe is an elf from LotR and elfs are tall and lanky (like the mafia mentioned in Day 2). The lanky mafia also "sidestepped" lmnop much like how the man in the profile picture "sidestepped" out of the bench. On the other hand, the lanky mafia's partner was the one who started the foxglove poisoning and has an obsession with bombs. The comic in Lenwe's profile is from "Cyanide and Happiness" and is the only reference to poisons I could find. Also, the comic is from explosm.net and is one of two references to bombs and explosions I could find.
REFUTATIONS TO THE ABOVE ARGUMENTS - Lenwe can not possibly be both mafias. Also, the "curiously garbed mafia" is the one who ended up setting the bomb on Day 3 so it can't be both Lenwe and infundibulum
- The other reference to bombs is in Kuja900 where his mybrute has the ability to use bombs. Also, Kuja is a character from Final Fantasy IX and is stated to "dress very strangely". He could be the one that is "strangely garbed" with an obsession for bombs.
REFUTATIONS TO THE ABOVE ARGUMENTS - As the main villain, I find it odd for him not to stick that landing after he glided down from the trees. Also, from what I read in the wiki, laughing doesn't seem to be a strong point for him with him being emo and all.
Infundumbilum sent me a PM claiming to be the priest. I knew something didn't add up!
WTF dude you played legit last game maybe this is his bro trying to fuck with his reputation.
Alright, since blogs are apparently in vogue, let's check this one out: http://bloody-cobbler.livejournal.com/ It's the first result when you google BloodyCobbler "Ok, I just passed my second week of Jump school with flying colors literally." What have we here, military training! Gliding / flying! Colors! All in one sentence.
From the next post: "So I'm still in school and I successfully completed my first week with flying colors." So exuberant colors are a recurring theme for this blog, apparently.
"It would seem that 'the world' realizes I am indisposed and has begun raising its angry head in an effort to anger me." Oh hey, that sounds pretty beserkerish, and I'm still on the first page without having to follow a link to a youtube link and then wait for that youtube video to end and recommend me a related video that still doesn't link!
Now you'll notice Mr Julia seems unhappy about this job, he yells "look what you've done!" at his victim, like it was the victim's fault. The Rhaegar from BC's profile "grew into a highly skilled and capable fighter, but took little joy in it". He also "was bookish to a fault" which could fit with the math portions.
Now why the yellow, injured skin?
"Besides being extremely sore and covered in bruises everything on that front is going great. " (from the Bloody Cobbler blog)
Substantial bruising can often turn a gross yellow when healing. Mr Julia does not, as far as I can tell, kill anyone in Day 3. Maybe he knows he will have no excuse but to fight again and go berserk once his wounds finish healing.
On July 10 2009 04:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Pyrr the issue with your links are is this. You had to google my name, whereas the links to you are all directly related (one link in your profile to your blog, then to the first video, then the second from there). The main character in the second game is the other prisoner with the human from the first, etc.. Its all connected. Whereas your link to me requires plexa totally ignoring the other style of clues of pulling from profiles.
Well first, I have a lot more in my profile than you, and second, first google results for a name have often been used in mafia (you did that plenty of times... or did you forget that already some how). Plexa's not obligated to find all clues the same way and we only know how clues for one or two people have been found. Plus I found links to the Rhaegar in your profile that fit in nicely and Plexa might reach farther for GF clues especially.
On July 10 2009 04:37 redtooth wrote: pyrr makes me want to hate this game...
And this is by far the best post made.
well its true last time BC and I gunned at each other we were both innocent but BC wasn't hallucinating color changes and youtube video scenes that game.
On July 10 2009 04:37 redtooth wrote: pyrr makes me want to hate this game...
And this is by far the best post made.
well its true last time BC and I gunned at each other we were both innocent but BC wasn't hallucinating color changes and youtube video scenes that game.
sorry if im trying to keep solid links to the best possible day 2 link to julia.
Hell, if you can help find another person who links to a lack of nose (which is what im doing now) Id admit to being a complete tool, but like, lack of nose +face scarring +taking town a big raging monster currently links to you fairly well, and the time point of the vid shows that scene start.
But I am open to other ideas.
Honestly the first two things those clues made me think of were
1. 3:14 connects to pi 2. lack of nose = michael jackson
I haven't looked thru profiles yet to check those.
mmm i know in one of caller's games he did a day where all the clues were Michael Jackson songs and I think LucasWoJ has a reference to that, but he doesn't mention MJ.
On July 10 2009 04:37 redtooth wrote: pyrr makes me want to hate this game...
And this is by far the best post made.
well its true last time BC and I gunned at each other we were both innocent but BC wasn't hallucinating color changes and youtube video scenes that game.
sorry if im trying to keep solid links to the best possible day 2 link to julia.
Hell, if you can help find another person who links to a lack of nose (which is what im doing now) Id admit to being a complete tool, but like, lack of nose +face scarring +taking town a big raging monster currently links to you fairly well, and the time point of the vid shows that scene start.
But I am open to other ideas.
Oh I get it now, you were trying to say 3:14 was the start of that scene with the gate opening. Except it's not. 6:14 is during that scene but 3:14 is way before it. The "mistakes" just keep piling up as if you have Alberto Gonzales syndrome.
Question for Plexa: "When to activate Double Lynch ability? You can let me know by PM that you wish to use a double lynch in the night before you want to use it. You can also announce a double lynch during the day of voting. If you choose this option the time allocated for voting will be increased."
Does this mean the Double Lynch is already activated because BC talked about intending to activate it in the thread?
The psychedelic thing could just be all of those colors ending with "colors!" with an exclamation mark. He's got enough colors for a technicolor dream coat there...
On July 10 2009 05:28 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Question for Plexa: "When to activate Double Lynch ability? You can let me know by PM that you wish to use a double lynch in the night before you want to use it. You can also announce a double lynch during the day of voting. If you choose this option the time allocated for voting will be increased."
Does this mean the Double Lynch is already activated because BC talked about intending to activate it in the thread?
I'm sure if BC activated it we have to wait for Plexa to announce it. So whenever he comes back online I'm sure he'll say something. And he extends the amount of time we have so there's nothing to be worried about.
Yeah I just don't want him to say he's gonna do it and "forget" yet another thing.
On July 10 2009 05:44 LucasWoJ wrote: Did ya shoot me or somethin'? How can I be dead already?
EDIT: Also Pyrr, when you're town aligned, you're usually a much smarter than this. Take note of what other veterans have done: ignore a blatant troll. MBH thinks I'm green as well:
Lucas)WoJ(: What role do you think I am? MBH: Green townie of course!
That's a direct quote.
I know you're a blatant troll, I know standard operating procedure is to ignore blatant trolls. I also know you're fucking up the thread at the point of the game where discussion is most important since our plan of resurrecting MBH has been forcefully aborted. I also know you don't usually do this and you haven't been acting this strange the whole game.
FYI Foolishness has been trying to get me to back off of BC. This leads me to believe either BC and Foolishness are both Mafia, neither are mafia, or BC alone is mafia. I can't see why Foolishness would try to break up a fight between BC and I if he was mafia and BC wasn't. I do think I remember L being suspicious of Foolishness at one point. That's a really good clue that BC has bolded but I continue to be suspicious of some of his actions this game, and I don't think BC can be an innocent while Foolishness is guilty. Saccing to re-establish cred? I dunno, I'm somewhat baffled this game to be honest. I think I have redtooth caught and a bunch of shit happens and I lose focus and that seems to be happening to everyone.
On July 10 2009 07:32 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I think I have redtooth caught and a bunch of shit happens and I lose focus and that seems to be happening to everyone.
seriously... seriously? how many people have you accused of being mafia? drop the suspicions on me already. nobody believes you because everybody sees how fucking illogical you are. i honestly believe you are a trolling mafia trying to rile shit up. no sense of logic or whatsoever.
On July 10 2009 07:32 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: That's a really good clue that BC has bolded but I continue to be suspicious of some of his actions this game, and I don't think BC can be an innocent while Foolishness is guilty. Saccing to re-establish cred?
so wait. if BC sacrifices foolishness to re-establish cred it is iffy. but if i get truth killed i'm a mafia?
btw i just want to quote a PM from Pyrr after i offered him my bet again:
I don't have any end to a bargain that I haven't agreed to. You're just making me more and more suspicious now by trying to intimidate me from going after you rather than using, you know, logic and persuasion.
do you not see my other posts using, you know, logic and persuasion? and well if i make you more suspicious then TAKE THE FUCKING BET MORON. but wait. you're not even voting for me in the voting thread? how stupid can you get?
here are the two scenarios that we are presented with: - you're an idiot townie who think's he's good but is simply a retard - you're a trolling mafia who just wants to go around starting fights and getting stuff off topic and burying good posts with your useless spam
regardless, i'm going to toil through sweat, blood, and tears to get you lynched then maybe this game would get a little bit more enjoyable
Dude, you didn't kill TB, tb was already gonna die when you changed.
On July 10 2009 07:32 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I think I have redtooth caught and a bunch of shit happens and I lose focus and that seems to be happening to everyone.
seriously... seriously? how many people have you accused of being mafia? drop the suspicions on me already. nobody believes you because everybody sees how fucking illogical you are. i honestly believe you are a trolling mafia trying to rile shit up. no sense of logic or whatsoever.
On July 10 2009 07:32 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: That's a really good clue that BC has bolded but I continue to be suspicious of some of his actions this game, and I don't think BC can be an innocent while Foolishness is guilty. Saccing to re-establish cred?
so wait. if BC sacrifices foolishness to re-establish cred it is iffy. but if i get truth killed i'm a mafia?
btw i just want to quote a PM from Pyrr after i offered him my bet again:
I don't have any end to a bargain that I haven't agreed to. You're just making me more and more suspicious now by trying to intimidate me from going after you rather than using, you know, logic and persuasion.
do you not see my other posts using, you know, logic and persuasion? and well if i make you more suspicious then TAKE THE FUCKING BET MORON. but wait. you're not even voting for me in the voting thread? how stupid can you get?
here are the two scenarios that we are presented with: - you're an idiot townie who think's he's good but is simply a retard - you're a trolling mafia who just wants to go around starting fights and getting stuff off topic and burying good posts with your useless spam
regardless, i'm going to toil through sweat, blood, and tears to get you lynched then maybe this game would get a little bit more enjoyable
Dude, you didn't kill TB, tb was already gonna die when you changed.
count the votes up to when i switched moron. it was 12-12 when i abstained and went straight to sleep. that made the vote 12-11. for all intents and purposes, unless two people voted ydg behind me I killed TB.
Well it was 12-12 but the tie breaker would have killed TruthBringer since ydg got to 12 last. For some reason I thought it was less close, I wish people would stop editing vote counts and just post new ones so you can tell what votes they cover.
On July 10 2009 07:32 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I think I have redtooth caught and a bunch of shit happens and I lose focus and that seems to be happening to everyone.
seriously... seriously? how many people have you accused of being mafia? drop the suspicions on me already. nobody believes you because everybody sees how fucking illogical you are. i honestly believe you are a trolling mafia trying to rile shit up. no sense of logic or whatsoever.
On July 10 2009 07:32 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: That's a really good clue that BC has bolded but I continue to be suspicious of some of his actions this game, and I don't think BC can be an innocent while Foolishness is guilty. Saccing to re-establish cred?
so wait. if BC sacrifices foolishness to re-establish cred it is iffy. but if i get truth killed i'm a mafia?
btw i just want to quote a PM from Pyrr after i offered him my bet again:
I don't have any end to a bargain that I haven't agreed to. You're just making me more and more suspicious now by trying to intimidate me from going after you rather than using, you know, logic and persuasion.
do you not see my other posts using, you know, logic and persuasion? and well if i make you more suspicious then TAKE THE FUCKING BET MORON. but wait. you're not even voting for me in the voting thread? how stupid can you get?
here are the two scenarios that we are presented with: - you're an idiot townie who think's he's good but is simply a retard - you're a trolling mafia who just wants to go around starting fights and getting stuff off topic and burying good posts with your useless spam
regardless, i'm going to toil through sweat, blood, and tears to get you lynched then maybe this game would get a little bit more enjoyable
Dude, you didn't kill TB, tb was already gonna die when you changed.
count the votes up to when i switched moron. it was 12-12 when i abstained and went straight to sleep. that made the vote 12-11. for all intents and purposes, unless two people voted ydg behind me I killed TB.
Well it was 12-12 but the tie breaker would have killed TruthBringer since ydg got to 12 last. For some reason I thought it was less close, I wish people would stop editing vote counts and just post new ones so you can tell what votes they cover.
and you knew exactly how the tiebreaker worked? seriously, how many people in the game knew for sure how that worked? still want to push the idea you "got me in a trap" and that i'm a surefire "idiot pledge"?
Yes I know how the tiebreaker works, no I'm not pushing the idea I have you in a trap or that you are an idiot pledge.
On ecomania: ya he's either mafia or lazy noob. I'd feel a lot more confident if we could find some clues on him to seal the deal, but I haven't been able to find any except fox glove seeds being vaguely ecologically related (think BC posted that first). Given the two deaths we've seen so far, clues are a lot more straight forward than that. I'll sweep the day posts again and post what I find.
Ecomania: "An obsolete term for a syndrome of domineering behaviour at home and humility toward persons in authority."
I didn't see anything about that in any day post, maybe someone else can see it. I think someone mentioned pollution at one point but I didn't see anything about that.
@ redtooth and foolishness: alright maybe, maybe I made a mistake, (and in a sense I didn't because TB was winning the tiebreaker) but I think it's fucked up you're calling me useless with all the effort I'm putting into this. I found TB trying to out the priests, and maybe I'm a bit distracted with BC making shit up and now redtooth trying to kill me as a personal vendetta but I'm still trying to right the ship here.
On July 10 2009 09:26 ydg wrote: Nah I don't have anyone in mind, but what did you think of when he said bulbs? It's possible it's some light man or something strange like that, given that Truthbringer is a skeleton.
well I have an idea but I don't want Foolishness angry at me again
Mr Julia had been given a strict set of instructions to follow, and the first required him to wait until exactly 3:14am. He sat outside motionless as the fog rolled over him. He knew his skin was beginning to form bulbs as he was not familiar with these conditions. As predicted, vx70GTOJudgexv left the building at the precise time. vx70GTOJudgexv was a strong man in the town, arguably the strongest in all of Liquiville. Mr Julia walked up behind him and put his military training to good use – hitting vx70GTOJudgexv in the exact position to cause him to collapse to the ground. However as vx70GTOJudgexv fell he reached to Mr Julia’s face and grabbed a leather strip covering his face revealing a whole where his nose should have been, and the scars of countless surgeries. The bulbs on Mr Julia’s skin began to change to a chilling shade of yellow as he realised he did not have much time left. He picked up vx70GTOJudgexv and ran towards the cheese factory as fast and he could and dumped him inside.
"bulb" what an interesting word. When I first read this, I thought like pustules and those nasty pus-filled things. But then I looked it up:
Interesting, I think of a bulbasaur. Is anyone into Pokemon?
I was joking about Ditto. You think this guy is evolving into bulbasaur or something? I think it's a skin condition, like sensitivity to light or something.
On July 10 2009 15:49 Malongo wrote: After reading this thread about 10 times i have to say that the theory of a mafia sacrifice in the first lynch (to save truthbringer) is looking quite solid. YDG has not being really helpful and all cases make him look as a bad townie at best. Now we can add a pretty good clue against him (imo). So id like to know what does the town think about lynching YDG in first place. + Show Spoiler +
The Laughter: Caller and So no fek were returning from their night class on nautical warfare, but knowing there were Mafia about they decided to take the back route to their home. While walking through the last and only park on their journey home they heard a strange but faint laughter. A twig behind them snapped. They panicked- Caller turned and ran as fast as he could, while So no fek was petrified and could not move. The Mafioso stepped forward and ensured that So no fek would no longer be able to move. As he was running, Caller heard the laughter again, but more clearer. He looked up into the trees and a curiously clothed man glided down from the tree, but stumbled on the landing and fell over. To Callers’s surprise he burst out laughing. Not willing to take a chance, Caller backed away but his leg got caught in a trap and was hoisted into the air helpless. The Mafioso stood up walked over to Caller and tied his hands up with a bomb. Standing just outside of the blastzone, the Mafioso and Caller stared into each other’s eyes as Caller’s death was literally counting down. The blast destroyed Caller. The morning rooster crowed, and both Mafioso knew that So no fek still had to be dealt with. Upon checking his wallet they established his ironic death by making So no fek sink in the harbour.
YDGs profile: "The only courage that matters is the kind that gets you from one moment to the next." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mignon_McLaughlin Note that her quotes are quite ironic.
so in this idea, YDG would be a pledge they were trying to sacrifice instead of truthbringer?
On July 10 2009 15:49 Malongo wrote: After reading this thread about 10 times i have to say that the theory of a mafia sacrifice in the first lynch (to save truthbringer) is looking quite solid. YDG has not being really helpful and all cases make him look as a bad townie at best. Now we can add a pretty good clue against him (imo). So id like to know what does the town think about lynching YDG in first place. + Show Spoiler +
The Laughter: Caller and So no fek were returning from their night class on nautical warfare, but knowing there were Mafia about they decided to take the back route to their home. While walking through the last and only park on their journey home they heard a strange but faint laughter. A twig behind them snapped. They panicked- Caller turned and ran as fast as he could, while So no fek was petrified and could not move. The Mafioso stepped forward and ensured that So no fek would no longer be able to move. As he was running, Caller heard the laughter again, but more clearer. He looked up into the trees and a curiously clothed man glided down from the tree, but stumbled on the landing and fell over. To Callers’s surprise he burst out laughing. Not willing to take a chance, Caller backed away but his leg got caught in a trap and was hoisted into the air helpless. The Mafioso stood up walked over to Caller and tied his hands up with a bomb. Standing just outside of the blastzone, the Mafioso and Caller stared into each other’s eyes as Caller’s death was literally counting down. The blast destroyed Caller. The morning rooster crowed, and both Mafioso knew that So no fek still had to be dealt with. Upon checking his wallet they established his ironic death by making So no fek sink in the harbour.
YDGs profile: "The only courage that matters is the kind that gets you from one moment to the next." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mignon_McLaughlin Note that her quotes are quite ironic.
so in this idea, YDG would be a pledge they were trying to sacrifice instead of truthbringer?
Yes. The main reason behind this is the way the voting went under L/BCs candidates. Im very suspicious of BCs behaviour this game since he has made some really bad calls in my book (like switching at last time from his "lynch-list" to lynch MBH// fighting L and me because i supported him// Only 2 real emperor campaigns// truthbringers vote// random very bad clues// switching from araav to ydgs to lynch// calling for this double lynch without saying a word// other bad calls). However i dont have the guts to call to lynch him yet as if he is town sided we would be losing 2 DLs.
ya i dunno, i know he's doing stuff out of the ordinary but no one seems to agree with me
Well I said I was going to look over the whole thread again to avoid getting caught up in the flavor of the day.
Here's what I've got:
Kuja900
BEHAVIOR
HAS YET TO POST IN THE THREAD. I'm sure any player that cared about the town would be able to do something productive by now.
CLUES
Why waste my time making a shitload of new analysis when other players have already done it and been buried by trolls and misinformation?
On July 06 2009 08:18 L wrote: Pretty sure Kuja900 and TruthBringer are mafia.
Kuja links up with explosives; his mybrute is the only one listed with a bomb, and the only mention of explosives in general.
TruthBringer's skeleton links up with the lead filled head, the reference to a lack of organic material in the skull and the arrogant walk.
Pretty simple and it fits with their activity in the thread.
Oh ho! So the same thinking that led L to our successful bagging of TruthBringer led him to Kuja. Biggest difference between the two probably being that TruthBringer posted obvious mafia tells while Kuja didn't post jack shit.
On July 06 2009 08:25 HeavOnEarth wrote: yeah kuja hasn't posted at all ..
Note how there's very little solid information directly related to the character besides for his love of explosives. He's the only one I have linked to explosives via his mybrute (I checked all of the one listed in profiles, as of right now, his is the only one with a bomb). He also seems to be fairly quick, which his character is."
ydg: "they're just voting for me (like chaoser, Kuja, scara) out of nowhere."
Kuja900's one of the players that voted after TruthBringer in quick succession for YDG. (thanks, Foolishness)
On July 10 2009 04:08 redtooth wrote: - The other reference to bombs is in Kuja900 where his mybrute has the ability to use bombs. Also, Kuja is a character from Final Fantasy IX and is stated to "dress very strangely". He could be the one that is "strangely garbed" with an obsession for bombs.
REFUTATIONS TO THE ABOVE ARGUMENTS - As the main villain, I find it odd for him not to stick that landing after he glided down from the trees. Also, from what I read in the wiki, laughing doesn't seem to be a strong point for him with him being emo and all.
And right after that is me muddying things up by calling out BC - at which point Kuja hasn't been mentioned since. My apologies.
Why didn't I get on Kuja earlier? Well, I figured the bombs were just about the suicide bomber. Yet, Scamp is dead and yet the next mafia kill is another bomb-related one. I think that's Plexa trying to tell us something.
From Day 3: "a curiously clothed man glided down from the tree"
Here's Kuja floating from a tree:
Now there's the matter of the refutation dutifully provided by my new friend (sorry :/) redtooth. Well, given TruthBringer's clues, it's clear that Plexa is coming at each mafia from several different angles instead of just one aspect. And I think this is where the quote in Kuja's profile comes in:
"On March 27 2009 12:11 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: kuja pushes to the front and says "fakesteve, to be blunt it's doubtful at most that you wrote that post" fakesteve replied, "whatever, cunt""
This is attempting to be a limerick, but the meter and number of syllables is clumsily off in places. First line should be 8 or 9 syllables but is 7. Same with second line. Meter is off, too. Most limericks, including this one are meant to be humorously low-key, like how the bomber mafia acts.
CONCLUSION
It's not like we're gonna lose a good player because this guy hasn't posted and he bandwagoned away from TruthBringer. And we know it's not a mafia plant suspect since L first caught this.
On July 10 2009 21:35 Lenwe wrote: I advocate to lynch Falcynn as well (besides Kuja). Besides the earlier clues that have been linked to him he has an old blog about his fear of black widows (The erratic fear of spiders mentioned in the first post).
He voted BC (whom I still don't trust, sorry) and YDG.
Also, while he has been very active in the previous mafia's I played with him (making blogs etc.) he has hardly posted in this one, only posts explaining his inactivity.
Good catch, I haven't been looking at blogs but his has spiders (haven't seen a link to that for anyone else) and this acid trip of a video:
Also has a vampire reference which is part of what made me suspicious of BC. L was after him and this guy could link to a number of mafia characters I bet one of them has to be true, but the spider especially and then his triple post of a stumbling defense really clinch it for me.
On July 11 2009 01:47 Falcynn wrote: Just curious, what link to spiders are you guys talking about? I only recall in the first day post that the former Emperor's uncle had an erratic fear of spiders, not exactly linking to a mafioso.
its a weird phrase to use for no reason, doesn't have to directly describe a mafioso to be a clue
I want to stress why the vampire thing in Falcynn's blog is so important. The vampire stuff would fit with the blood draining parts, and the skin reaction to being outside (seems Mr Julia can't stay outside long), and the blood lust episodes that could lead to the other mafia giving knowing looks and the loss of control / memory. Vampires are also strong like Mr. Julia and it could explain how he found Plexa in hiding (by smelling the blood) and why there was fresh blood on the ground.
Circulatory System The most profound differences between humans and vampires are found in the circulatory system. These differences enable vampires to survive massive trauma that would kill a human being.
1. Blood: vampire blood is called ichor (pr. ik-er). Modifications to hemoglobin in the blood cells makes vampire blood appear black. 2. the Heart: vampire blood is pumped via the contraction of skeletal muscle rather than the heart, which eventually atrophies from disuse. 3. adrenaline: this "emergency hormone," which normally kicks in during "fight or flight" situations, is found in consistently large amounts in vampire blood. The presence of adrenaline, along with changes in muscle, bone and connective tissue, account for vampire's extraordinary strength, speed and aggressiveness.
I'm organizing everything against Falcynn because its imperative we kill him off ASAP to figure out how to proceed. Vis-a-vis kuja and eco, I think they are both likely maf. I think the case is better for kuja, but if its sunny tonight I think an assassin would be justified in hitting eco.
Why Falcynn now?
Falcynn has ties to two of the possible mafia members, one of them being Mr Julia. If Falcynn turns red and the Mr Julia clues stop, we'll stop a lot of the bickering and town will get a lot more organized / united. If Falcynn turns red and the Mr Julia stuff continues, we've at least lowered KP. Because Falcynn has possible links to two mafia characters, there is an elevated risk of him being mafia (coupled with behavioral missteps which will follow here). If Falcynn turns green, well, at least we know we have tough decisions to make soon.
1. The fear of spiders: Falcynn's TL blog has an entry about fearing black widows. We've found no one else that links to this odd passage. 2. His quote is from an aquabats song, bat sonar may have helped him find Plexa under rubble. (weak) 3. Radar may have to do with the loud noise from Day 2. (weak) 4. His video of the Takagi Masakatsu song, "Girls", is psychedelic. 5. He has a vampire reference in his TL blog. Falcynn says he was just asking about Twilight, however, it asks the rhetorical question "It has vampires so it much be awesome right? 6. His twilight noobiness could be why Mr Julia is described as new to the mafia. 7. Another video he has shows ipods changing through the colors of the rainbow. 8. Falcynn has a blog post about how bad the smell is in his town. Maybe he removed his nose because of it? (weak, but I've yet to find anything else on this except Michael Jackson in LucasWoJ's profile) 9. The military training thing could be linked to the fact that Falcynn has been training for a TL Altitude team (Altitude is an airplane warfare game).
Why the Vampire link is the best bet for Mr Julia a. It fits with the pouncing. If you've seen recent vampire movie Let the Right One In, you'll know vampires often pounce on necks and leave their enemies in "a bloody pulp" like fishball. b. In day one, bodies are hung up and there is "Blood spilling from their gored bodies and pooling on the ground". This is just like how the vampire in Let the Right One In is fed by her servant. c. A vampire might experience the problem Mr Julia has with circulation (passing out, pulsating) because their hearts atrophy away. d. Mr Julia waits until 3:14 am and is not used to such conditions and therefore must hurry. Could be the sunrise that is worrying him. e. Mr Julia's skin turns yellow - this fits with a newbie vampire as shown in the vampire biology site I linked earlier in the thread. f. After Judge gets taken by Mr Julia, L finds his fresh blood all over the place, Judge's blood might be fresh because he didn't get killed, but is instead being slowly drained for food. g. "All three of them instantly knew what had happened to Mr Julia and rushed over to the safe room to bring him back home." Could be indicative of a blood lust episode.
There are are few other people that link to vampires, but Falcynn is the closest / only one that doesn't require google.
On July 03 2009 04:10 Falcynn wrote: I say we vote snow the first 2-3 days. Then if it seems that the mafia's getting lucky with their kills we might do fog for 2 days after that, then move on to rain for pretty much the rest of the game unless we find a strong need for an assassin to make a kill (like we somehow get a really strong lead on more than one guy).
Anyone who's played mafia before (and Falcynn has) knows clues are less helpful in the game, certainly less helpful than lowered KP. Also, note he acts like we might never want to use our assassins.
AFTER PEOPLE CALL HIM OUT FOR INACTIVITY:
On July 07 2009 01:46 Falcynn wrote: Sorry about not being active. I had a few things going on these past few days and got a little too lazy to read during the little free time I had. I'm catching up on the thread right now, I remember how much inactives sucked from the last game I played, so I apologize again for this.
He admits being inactive and says he'll catch up, then doesn't do anything. Classic mafia behavior, doing the bare minimum, not doing anything to help the town.
AFTER HE GETS CAUGHT ON THE FEAR OF SPIDER CLUE FROM DAY 1, HE TRIPLE POSTS FRANTICALLY:
On July 10 2009 23:58 Falcynn wrote: Well, I figured it was probably best for me to lie low since I didn't have much of use to mention during the course of this game. The last two mafia games I played imo I think I hurt the town more than help since I'm usually quick to jump on really crappy clues, and start bandwagons with other people. I thought that with all the other people who are seemingly inactive, I'd be safe in just lying low until I had something good to contribute. If this makes me suspicious (which I already know it does, but as I mentioned, I figured I'd be safe considering the other inactives) then I guess I'll do more to contribute, even if it doesn't do the town much good =/
He admits he looks suspicious and then says it would be worse if he was helping.
On July 10 2009 23:59 Falcynn wrote: Also, my votes for BC and ydg probably have more to do with me being quick to hop on bandwagons as well...
He admits he was bandwagoning (covering for trying to save TruthBringer).
On July 11 2009 00:02 Falcynn wrote: (triple posting so my edits don't make me look like I'm hiding something)
and I guess me being quick to defend myself isn't helping my case. Whatever, I don't really think there's a strong enough case for any of the current alternatives for lynching, but I'll do my best to try to dig up any clues that haven't already been revealed for others.
He realizes his defense is sketchy (one of his order probably told him) so he tries to fix it and promises to do something to help town, which he hasn't. Note what is NOT in here: a reason not to vote for him. Other than he'll do his best, which he hasn't been doing and he has told us he sucks. Why this often works for mafia: If the mafia give you reasons to not lynch them, it will trigger the logical parts of your brain, and you will begin to weigh the evidence against him versus the evidence in support of him. It'll be overwhelmingly against him and so you'll vote for him. But if he just praises you for suspecting him, you will be liable to never think logically and just let him go / forget.
LATER:
On July 11 2009 02:25 Falcynn wrote: Wow...this just feels as if you just want to believe I'm mafia and are grasping at straws to point the finger at me. I'm not familiar with the way Plexa creates his clues, but all of your findings seem completely out there considering you're digging all of this up from a blog asking wtf Twilight was.
Considering I don't have any counters to your argument other than questioning your clue deciphering abilities I guess I have nothing to defend myself with =/ This is kind of the reason I didn't want to say much, since I tended to come up with random conclusions based on little evidence in my last games as well.
This would have been nice if it was his first response, but again it was late and probably coached. Again he beats himself up to avoid rational debate, and puts the case against him in the worst possible light and basically just calls it names rather than responding.
On July 11 2009 11:19 Scaramanga wrote: This game is fucked already ace do you want my spot?
If this game is fucked, mind telling us why? we haven't missed a lynch yet even and we still have plenty of blues, and if everyone gets out of the "oh gawd we're helpless children without MBH to tell us what to do" duldrums we'll be able to win with room to spare.
On July 11 2009 12:15 LucasWoJ wrote: Yeah guys...it's pretty obvious....
Well thanks for taking a two minute break from your trolling to help us out. But instead you seem to be more focused on PMing me about whether or not you technically lied during the game. Which, I guess, you didn't (unlike BC). I'm collating this information into organized posts to try to stop the deluge of sludge posts, some of which has been yours. I'm reasonably sure you're innocent but I dunno why you're playing like this when you seemed a lot less crazy in previous games.
HERES SOME NEWS FOR YOU! WE ACTUALLY HAVE GOOD MAFIA CANDIDATES! Read anything I've posted or that Pyrry has recently posted. If you want I can spell things out for you since I'm sure you didn't do anything more than skim. It's actually really good we have a double lynch today, EXCEPT PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THROWING OFF THE VOTING.
On July 10 2009 08:14 redtooth wrote: and you knew exactly how the tiebreaker worked? seriously, how many people in the game knew for sure how that worked? still want to push the idea you "got me in a trap" and that i'm a surefire "idiot pledge"?
Just ignore Pyrry. He's an idiot townsperson who's going to help lose the game. Listen to reason not to Pyrry or BC. I have laid out good reasoning on who we should be focusing on. Just ignore Pyrry and BC and let them cry.
You are oh so consistent good sir.
EDIT: Tags.
While you are right to point out the abrupt switch on that, it should be mentioned that he started supporting me as soon as I stopped pushing for BC's lynch so there was a distinct causality there and it wasn't a random inconsistency.
Well Falcynn's not gonna get his tonight so I gotta switch. With all the lying and sketch bullshit out of BC this game I guess I have to vote for him because he's likely the GF which is more dangerous than a pledge / mafioso which is probably what eco and kuja are. I kept trying to get people to hang back and get another double lynch out of BC but I doubt that is gonna happen at this point.
On July 11 2009 15:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Hey ace, When this town lynches me, and realizes im green, lets host a party!
As a note guys, I am green, and when I die and flip as such you will realize I haven't been entirely useless. I'm accused of giving mass targets? No shit, I'm doing generalized short (most of them are very few lines) of analysis for people to look at and go "oh that could work no that couldnt" But hey, In the time since I've been at work, neither of the two people I sent my entire note list of what most people could link to via the two dead member with established clues so see my spoiler below
Scamp – cat (cat leapping possibly meant he hurled himself) gutter Truthbringer = skeleton (confirmed he was skeleton) Judge = berzerker (rage and hate confirm he was a berzerker) Scaramana = franchesco scarmanga Foolishness = fool Ilovekt = heart, or heart rate monitor Pyrr = bird Bloodyc0bbler = a cobbler (one who makes shoes, or a pie) something bloody, prince rhaegar Goodwill = kgb officer Inertinept = wind or gust of wind Jeejee = angel or tears or fear Heav0nearth = gladiator Ydg = courage? Bockit = insane amount of things Chezinu = clueless or green skinned Classic = bear semen Chaoser = pokemon, ninja, rekrul Kuja900 = bad limerick, gladiator with bomb Redtooth = ketchup Storrzerg = zerg Falcynn = falcon, rabbit, aquabat(based on codename applesauce linking to them) Ecomania = german Malongo = learning English, editor, gets help Lenwe = man or woman, bench, cyanide, happiness or explosives Infundibulum = muslim, anything music related Rebirthoflegend = a poem, troll killer, hotbid? Faronel = no clue he has no profile.
Day one key terms Gored bodies/strung up like human clotheslines
Tall and lanky man(most likely with a gun) Man with explosive
Crushed into human pancakes (screams comedy)
Day 2 key terms Man 1 (this man turned out to be a skeleton (truthbringer’s profile picture) Arrogant Shock inducing Strong, big gun
Man 2 Tall and lanky (day 1) Careful or observant Quick
Man 3 Carries bombs Poison/plant involvement
Man 4 Nicknamed mr Julia Good with electronics Burn quickly changes colour and pulsates Strong Becomes erratic, and passes out when his body pulsates too much
One mafia is also carrying or is a hot object
Man 5 (is priest) (this was judge and his rage + hate was caused from being a berzerker) Has a lot of rage and hate
Day 3 key terms Man 1 Mr Julia again Military training Wearing a mask Has no nose Skin growing bulbs and changing colour
Man 2 Was suicide bomber He threw himself at his targets (this was scamp, possibly threw implied a leap like a cat)
Man 3 One mafia causes so no fek to be unable to move
Man 4 Laughs a lot Is curiously clothed Causes laughter in others (uses comical traps) uses explosives
repeat used things amusing deaths two people being turned into human pancakes caller being caught in comical trap and getting tied up with a bomb the man responsible for callers death enjoys laughing and creating laughter, and dresses curiously, perhaps comically.
Mr. Julia going from a pulsating erratic person into a cold precise military man
A tall and lanky man (most likely has a gun) who is observant He noticed plexa in a dark place, and someone jumping from a window
Most important stuff is at the top.
For those analyzing realize that the first two dead people we have as confirmed via clues are very similar to chuiu's style and work from there.
If/when I die do to this lynch, go over and look at malongos/bockit's posts, you will see some stunning give aways. You should also go over the voting list and see who has paired up over the span of days, and then compare to the current bandwagoners, its fun stuff.
Regardless, when I die and flip green, town will realize how boned it is, as currently only mafia benefit from the loss of double lynches from this game. So, enjoy the town loss guys, you've sure earned it.
the problem is that even if you're green, you played like shit this game.
such as voting for you, which i dont think he ever explained. I asked him in msn about it and he said something that didn't make any sense and switched his vote to inertinept because the laughter in the latest day post was somehow indicative of wind
Go look at all of my clue analysis about BC from earlier, and then look at all the connections to vampires we've made from Mr Julia. In that bloody cobbler blog i showed earlier there's a "You scored as Dracula." post. Chezinu has green skin, while this mafia's is yellow and I've seen none of the other many Mr Julia traits pop up for him. LucasWoJ could fit with the MJ surgery and the colors and the time thing, but again I think I've made better cases for Falcynn and BC.
On July 11 2009 15:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Pyrr, did you even look at the pm I gave you? It gives you almost all you need to solve these clues, stop following bandwagons and think you tard, Or am I seriously giving you too much credit.
I did look at the pm, and if you turn up innocent somehow ill look at it, but again man, you've been making flatout nonsense/false statements all game and behaving differently than normal and I've laid out plenty of clues that I think point to you.
On July 11 2009 15:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Infundi, your two best bets to win at this point if you off me is snow and sunny.
Without the double lynches you will need the 2 hits each assassin gets to win. Hell, you will need the extra clues as well, fog at this point will do nothing as most likely kuja or ecomania is a pledge and when they die along side me fog won't drop their kp enough.
But hey, just giving you some pointers.
you're getting awfully helpful now but I'm not sure snow is a good idea at this point. I think if we go sunny and go after falcynn and whoever survives out of eco/kuja we'll be doing fine.
Did Plexa really imbalance the game so much that we are already fucked when we have yet to miss a lynch? I kind of doubt that. But let's drum up unnecessary panic anyway. We should vote sunny though, we have 4 good targets imo.
On July 11 2009 15:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Infundi, your two best bets to win at this point if you off me is snow and sunny.
Without the double lynches you will need the 2 hits each assassin gets to win. Hell, you will need the extra clues as well, fog at this point will do nothing as most likely kuja or ecomania is a pledge and when they die along side me fog won't drop their kp enough.
But hey, just giving you some pointers.
you're getting awfully helpful now but I'm not sure snow is a good idea at this point. I think if we go sunny and go after falcynn and whoever survives out of eco/kuja we'll be doing fine.
Also as a note, at this point, If i was mafia, I would pull a qatol and troll you guys beyond belief over give you any tips needed to win, so again pyrr, learn to think, I expect alot more out of you.
If you were trying to live you'd probably not make it obvious you were mafia. Also, Qatol did that a lot later in the game when it was pretty much over and he had no chance of surviving.
On July 11 2009 15:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Infundi, your two best bets to win at this point if you off me is snow and sunny.
Without the double lynches you will need the 2 hits each assassin gets to win. Hell, you will need the extra clues as well, fog at this point will do nothing as most likely kuja or ecomania is a pledge and when they die along side me fog won't drop their kp enough.
But hey, just giving you some pointers.
you're getting awfully helpful now but I'm not sure snow is a good idea at this point. I think if we go sunny and go after falcynn and whoever survives out of eco/kuja we'll be doing fine.
I also assumed the town didnt need me or L to help them win. I'm glad to see foolishness really stepping up, and pyrr I know even your analysis can do better than what your doing. I told you in the pm and i posted the same info here,
Plexa is appearing to do clues based off a similar style to qatol and chuiu, as well as general characteristics to look for, but YOU should have already figured that out, half this town should have. Ydg mentioned it a few pages ago.
So people seriously go back and read it.
Also pyrr, one dt is dead, one priest is dead. The priest as clue sniped (that was obvious as fucked), and the dt gave himself away. The mafia are not retarded, they have set up this entire scenario to get me killed removing Town KP.
This should be evident as by day 3, most mafia will have been linked to at least once.
Fuck. All this time I thought So no fek was an angel.
Why of all times are you suddenly making sense now? When you're on the executioner's slate? Damnit man, I wish your behavior early in the game wasn't so incredibly incriminating. I retract my vote, hesitantly.
How did the DT give himself away? What about this is exonerating? It seems to me like the plan was to throw out a bunch of targets and hope we got confused and Foolishness and I have been trying to make up for that all day, while BC shows up at the 13th hour and claims a conspiracy despite lying about colors and acting suspiciously at every point of the game until he absolutely has to clean up his act to avoid death.
On July 11 2009 16:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Pyrr, Do you ever read my analysis in games? I LINK EVERYONE TO EVERYTHING, and work from day to day of who links more and more and eliminate the rest. It sets marks in threads of my own train of thought to go back to and reflect on.
As for so no fek giving himself away, go re-read his posts.
I mean I do that too with suspects. I looked over the notes about Kuja i had saved and that's how I found him.
Here's a note I have saved from L, for instance: + Show Spoiler +
"Lets examine the general course of conversation this game has taken.
We started talking in general terms about weather. We then slid into a chat about what type of mafia one would send into the election. The answer was simple: the godfather. Elections went on, some odd voting happened, then we nearly completely dropped the topic.
Why is this important? Because BC is acting incoherently in his role. BC will criticize ydg for 'flip flopping', but flip flops himself, posting: On July 05 2009 14:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ydg Ecomania Elemenope Kuja Scamp
If elected, i will be random # generating from this list.
Ydg as he tends to go inactive for alot of a game in most games (sorry bud but inactives kill the game)
Elemenope seems shifty to me based on a question he asked previously in the thread, ecomania, kuja and scamp due to general inactivity
then essentially going "oh wait nevermind, i'm going to kill a power player instead" 40 minutes later. Regardless of the wisdom of the plan, BC can't be pointing out other people for changing their minds when he's been the biggest flip flopper in the game when it comes down to concrete life or death decisions. More importantly, check that list: Who's number 1 there? The person BC is trying to get the town to bandwagon right now. Okay, fair enough, he's had a grudge and has been searching for shit to pin on ydg despite not having ANY clue information to back his claims up.
There's obviously more poor argumention from him, quite a bit of it stemming from kill MBH plan and a bit more coming from previous conversations. That alone isn't enough to pin someone as being mafia. Tricode last game was throwing up complete garbage posts, but he was just an idiot townie. What makes BC special is WHO his friends are and WHEN they support him.
The bolded member of the list are special because they correspond to typical voting periods for mafia members on a mafia candidate. Mafia will seed a list to get a bandwagon running, then let it grow a bit on its own, sprinkling a few extra votes in the middle, but holding most of their members back if they need to make a last minute push. The early voters? TruthBringer and Pyrr. TruthBringer has been silent and is by far our best clue link, and Pyrr defends BC fanatically, throwing a few red herrings at other players now and then. The two bolded votes further down correspond to the 11th and 12th votes for BC respectively, the votes needed to overcome the fact that I hadn't yet voted and assure the win for BC. Foolishness is posting useless comments and poor analysis all over the thread, adding to the 'chaos' that BC was talking about when referring to flip flopping. StorZerg Is nearly 100% silent.
The italicized members are those that have been put under suspicion in the past few pages. That said, there are likely only 3-5 mafia on that list, with the other 3-5 being on me or abstaining. Since I'm in the unique position of knowing that mafia would only vote for me to camouflage themselves (unless they wanted to warp my mind and control my precious fog votes), This tells me that BC is far too likely to be mafia to be followed in bandwagons. Lets examine those people who have been following:
Out of the 5 most likely mafia members, 3 of them are seeding bandwagon lists to deflect the pressure put on a fourth member: TruthBringer.
Wake the fuck up. Don't take my word for granted either. Think this shit through yourself. Town is getting fucking RAPED right now. We aren't active and the mafia are actively putting up walls of shit posts to throw you off and make you too lazy to go back and find quality information."
Like L was saying, I was playing stupid when I was just following you around, then I started thinking for myself.
Read that above note in spoiler brackets from L. I think it sums up the game pretty well. I still think Foolishness is innocent and just following BC out of the same mistake I was making earlier in the game, but we'll have to see if the laughing stops when Kuja dies.
Well, I fucked up royally. It was hard to top giving myself away as a DT through PMs to three separate mafia on Day 1 but I might have done it. Don't think I'm gonna be playing this game anymore after this one.
Anyway, at least this time I know what happened while I can still talk so I'll explain.
Alright, I've already shared all the reasons why I was suspicious of BC. But halfway through Day 3 I backed off for two reasons: - Foolishness asked me to back off. - Qatol explained to me that we had to keep BC alive long enough to get at least two double lynches out of him.
So I backed off of BC. He had said he was going to activate the double lynch but I thought he might not if he worried it could be used against him. At about 7/10 13:48 I saw Bockit putting his second vote on BC. I should have thought about him seeding some bandwagon, but I figured he had read my analysis and it made sense to him, too (and I still think BC was acting really weird until he was on his deathbed). So I figured I'd explain to Bockit why I was backing off and see what he thought, and I sent Bockit this message:
I've backed off of him for the moment, partly to make sure he activates double lynch, but I still think he's mafia based on how much he tried to get me off of TruthBringer in our conversations even after I pointed out his obvious behavioral misstep and based on his flat-out lying on his day 3 analysis towards me. What do you think?
Later, (7/11 5:33) I see Malongo making a huge post against BC and I start to worry that BC won't activate the lynch on the next day if the criticism keeps up. So I tell Malongo to back off.
Look, pretty much everything in your post about BC is true, HOWEVER, we've managed to scare him into activating the double lynch for today so I'm trying to direct town towards other suspects and layoff of BC for the first half of the next day and get him to activate another double lynch tomorrow, at which point we can go after him. We really need the double lynches if we want to whittle down mafia KP.
At some point during day 3, I find (with help from BC in msn, if I remember correctly) a link between Falcynn and vampires. I had already found the link from BC to vampires and had been sure that it lined up. So I decided a good strategy would be to lynch Falcynn and see if the clue parts that made me suspicious of BC vanished instead of immediately risking the double lynches. I sent this Malongo about it. I meant to send it to Bockit, too, but I guess I never did. (7/11 05:36) Since then, we've found a vampire link to iLoveKT and someone else as well, so, yet another fuck up.
The reason why lynching Falcynn is important is that he's the only other player but BC with a link to vampires (though Falcynn has some links to a mafioso that isn't mr julia as well). If Falcynn dies and the Mr Julia stuff continues we can be sure BC is mafia and is worth killing despite the risk of losing the double lynches.
So Bockit finally responds to my PMs at 7/11 12:01.
Hey, had a very busy day yesterday so I haven't had a chance to follow what's happened since I called him out, looks like I have quite a lot of reading to do I'll get back to you once I have.
Then he goes into all out attack mode on BC before addressing my concerns with it. If I had a mafia sense, it would have been ringing like somebody's ears after a My Bloody Valentine concert but if anything is clear about this game, it's that I don't have such a sense. Nobody really seems to care or understand what I was hinting at or planning with the falcynn accusation and I was still certain BC's behavior was mafia so I figured with malongo and bockit going at him with both barrels and a bandwagon forming against him he wouldn't activate anymore double lynches and would try to cause as much confusion as possible (such as his attack on infundibulum, and adding inertinept to the kill list after that even[which was possibly a good move on his part at this point, we'll have to start looking at clues the way BC explained]) on the way out. So I sent this to Bockit. (not to malongo, though I'm not sure why but it was probably because he never responded to anything so I couldn't hit reply in my inbox and send something).
Yeah my strategy was to lay off of him until (I told malongo this as well) he activated a double lynch tomorrow but we are spread out as fuck. My reasoning on Falcynn which I tried to hint at was that Falcynn could fit the clues that fit BC or maybe be a lesser mafia, and if it took out the Julia clues then maybe I was wrong about BC but BC just continues to be useless/worse than useless to town so... Qatol told me that we need at least two double lynches out of BC before we kill him so that's how I've been trying to play it but I guess it is too late now that you and Malongo are going all out.
After attacking, Bockit responds to my concerns with a PM at 7/11 13:35.
I honestly don't know what the maths is like, but the fact that he's causing so much disruption is enough for me to want to off him.
"fuck the math let's kill him anyway because he's mafia dood!" Is what I should have read that as, but I guess I got caught up in my suspicion of BC, and while I was trying to balance not defending BC since im suspicious of him, trying to not have BC get suspicious of me and town and start witholding double lynches, trying to stop people from killing BC this early, trying to avoid a repeat of Qatol's mayor shenanigans, etc., Bockit sent me another pm.
So i changed. Also, I only realize now that I put this post together that Malongo never responded to any of my pms. Bockit had been responding and I sort of mentally grouped them together but yeah. Basically I should have realized that people who didn't care about the double lynch concerns were suspicious, but at some point I figured we were gonna knock out 1.5 KP with the double lynch and BC was under too much fire to activate another one.
As for Kuja, I don't fuckin' know. Everything seemed to fit well and he didn't say shit the whole game.
On July 12 2009 07:27 Malongo wrote: I cant believe BC wasnt mafia. I wont try to make myself clear at this point i know that most of the townies may think im mafia but please take a look: all my points were crystal clear all my posts are logic and BC didnt even try to argue with me. GTFO. I think this is angels night, 4 hits 4 protections. Angels: please dont protect anyone on BCs list and the last dt should not check BCs list because its more likely that mafias there arent pledges. Note that there are a lot of double votes there so mafia only needed 1 mafia to make the lynch. If you want to check a list check kujas's list. If not please rolcheck one of this guys:
Scaramanga Infundibulum Pyrrhuloxia
wow, I would lean heavily toward thinking scaramanga and infundibulum are innocent, and a list that small virtually guarantees that the GF will cover one of us to look red which will cook up yet another misplaced shitstorm. Very low chance of two mafia being on that list. If one was on that list, they would just get covered and this is useless. Unfortunately for town, I think it's just best to let the mystic do their work and talk to someone they think they can trust when they think they have something because we can't telegraph what they are going to do or it only helps the mafia mislead us with cover. It's similar to why analyzing the priest was a bad idea.
On July 12 2009 14:14 redtooth wrote: lol. lol. lol.
i look away from this game for two days (mostly because of pyrr being either the most brilliant mafia ever or the biggest wad of shit i've ever seen) and we lynch BC.
fucktasticly brilliant everybody. well look on the bright side:
On July 12 2009 05:32 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Don't think I'm gonna be playing this game anymore after this one.
okay now. can't really salvage this but foolishness is mafia. tried to get everybody to "form together" and to take over the power vacuum left by L. L accused him and ended up dying. he tried to contact everybody when no contacting was needed and moved to get BC lynched. no need to explain that one more. lucas is prob prob nothing because he's even pissing off plexa. rest of mafia's prob hidden everywhere. BC wasn't mafia (why would he activate double lynch?) and Kuja was a wild guess but that lynch should have been for pyrr.
btw. i didn't really read through most of the thread after page 40 because it was mostly pyrr being dumb.
gamekiller award goes to pyrr and lucaswoj. way to ruin what could have been a great game.
How did Foolishness move to get BC lynched? Pretty sure Foolishness tried to prevent that, although I am kinda getting weirded out by why foolishness doesn't want to go after bockit at all and is going after motbob as gf which makes no sense to me. I'm pretty sure mr julia, being the only named mafia, would be gf. And Bockit has a link to that (as BC pointed out early in the game) plus Bockit links to some of the new mr julia clues as well (wwii stuff could be the military training link). And BC told us to go after Bockit first when he turned green yet Foolishness, who has professed undying loyalty to BC all game doesn't want to go after him. I dunno, I'm really confused now (and apparently have been all game).
Also, BC has told us we need to look for chuiu style links which revolve around a single characteristic and Foolishness has no profile quote or anything but the name which would fit the laughing / clumsiness thing that I tried to link to Kuja. I've trusted Foolishness for most the game so I didn't mention it but it's a perfect fit.
On July 13 2009 03:59 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: i think the clocktower at the end has to be a clue
it sort of connects to motbob's sig, just like the control tower at the cheese factory from Day 2 i think it was.
also it may have a connection to time, like the 3:14am clue.
Faronel has no pic or profile or sig or anything but, his name when googled shows it is Lighthouse in some language. I think control tower fits more to Faronel's name, while the clock tower fits more with motbob's sig.
Also, I think motbob is mafia, too, but I'm sure he's not the godfather, I'm guessing that's Bockit, who fits the Mr Julia clues.
On July 13 2009 03:18 Scaramanga wrote: btw mafia list is
motbob (gf) pyrr faronel ecomania
Surely it wouldn't hurt to post your reasoning?
Nope its already been posted by bc and foolishness throughout the thread against these 4, but even if your not mafia you've fucked this game so badly you deserve to be lynched
On July 13 2009 03:18 Scaramanga wrote: btw mafia list is
motbob (gf) pyrr faronel ecomania
Surely it wouldn't hurt to post your reasoning?
Nope its already been posted by bc and foolishness throughout the thread against these 4, but even if your not mafia you've fucked this game so badly you deserve to be lynched
Neither BC nor foolishness have called me mafia.
BC called me mafia but he retracted it pretty fast and even knew I was innocent on his deathbed which I fucked up in helping with.
On July 13 2009 03:18 Scaramanga wrote: btw mafia list is
motbob (gf) pyrr faronel ecomania
Surely it wouldn't hurt to post your reasoning?
Nope its already been posted by bc and foolishness throughout the thread against these 4, but even if your not mafia you've fucked this game so badly you deserve to be lynched
Neither BC nor foolishness have called me mafia.
Didnt say foolishness has, he posted against motbob and ecomania bc posted agaisnt you and faronel
Everything BC posted against me was a clue analysis story that was made obviously false on Day 3.
motbob is probably mafia, I dunno what percentage but well over 50%. If he turns green/blue, then faronel is 100% mafia.
pretty sure bockit is mr julia. BC showed us that the clues are based around a central theme, but if you notice for bockit, there is no central theme (BC lists his theme as "insane amount of things"). This probably forced Plexa to name him so the disparate clues could be seen as one persyn.
Almost certain the flying/gliding mafia is Falcynn. From your point of view, it's gonna be a choice between Falcynn and I but I can't do anything about that.
On July 13 2009 12:02 motbob wrote: wow OK looks like people suspect me pretty badly.
I'm gonna respond to Foolishness's original post accusing me.
- Suspicious voting behavior and posting during the BC/kuja lynch
Again, if you look at my posts when I was discussing with Bockit about what to do, there's no inconsistency in my opinions. Like I said before, I think that anyone who actually goes back and reads what I wrote in response to Bockit's arguments (and not just the posts that Foolishness cherry-picked) will absolve me of any wrongdoing yesterday.
- Suspicious voting behavior during the Truthbringer lynch
If you look at voting patterns, there were a lot of people who were voting Truthbringer without posting in the thread and were just following blindly the person who posted the original clue analysis for him, disregarding BC's loooong post on ydg without responding or anything. What I did was an anti-bandwagoning measure.
- Knowledge of the protect last night
What a dumb argument. The suicide bomber blew up 2 people (it's in the clues), 2 people were hit, mafia KP was 3, and therefore we had a protect. It's not rocket science.
- General suspicious and unhelpful posting
I assume this is because I haven't done any clue analysis? I don't do clue analysis anymore because I obviously suck at it. Remember last game, foolishness? Remember when I said "Raxor has to be mafia based on these clues" over and over again? Well, Raxor wasn't mafia and that's why I don't do clue analysis anymore. Post analysis got me far more accurate info.
Speaking of clue analysis, post some of me. Don't lynch someone without any clues pointing to them... BC tried to do that and it almost got ydg lynched.
I believe that there are already some leads on clues pointing to you, as listed above. Yes maybe nothing definite, but the possibility is still there. I haven't looked that hard into it so you're better off confronting someone else who knows there stuff.
Well can you please find someone who knows their stuff so I can actually defend myself? I only see 1 line of clue analysis on me anywhere in this thread...
It's pretty good, there's two towers so far and a tower in your quote, only other persyn with a tower is Faronel (as far as I've found).
Preface: I think the reason Mr Julia is named is because their clues are more disparate and not themed like the others. This would fit a busy profile like bockit's that has no clear center to it (BC said Bockit's clues in Plexa's system could be an "insane amount of things".
Hasn't missed a vote, has never posted. Was very active in previous games I've played / ran with him as far as I recall (ran for office in my game). Would fit a godfather not wanting to lose his team the 1 KP / cover. (This whole "motbob must be GF because he talks a lot" thing is retarded. Only time GF would be talkative is if they had ran for office, which didn't seem to happen this game.)
The vampire thing, I'm iffy on at this point, but ydg pointed this out:
"Btw, this vampire talk about Falcynn I don't think is strong (it's a very abstract blog post of his), but a google search for "iLoveKT" brings this page... http://vampirefreaks.com/ilovekt"
From Day 2: "Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate." iLoveKT's profile pic has a sound pulsing on top of a rainbow of colors.
I love KT's quote mentions 3 progamers, BackHo, Leta, and GoRush. GoRush has military training (ACE), Backho is the only player I know who's had a well known surgery (but it was a back surgery not facial surgery).
The KT mascot doesn't have a nose... super weak there but Julia has so many weird stuff no one fits fully.
Yellow bulbs could be like camera bulbs referencing KT's best player, Flash?
Maybe mafia wanted someone immune to rolechecks to start the BC bandwagon. A lot of other stuff looks pretty town-aligned though good GFs go against their brethren a lot. I guess Mr Julia may not be GF but it would make sense to me that the only named one would be GF.
Anyone notice this guy has gone totally silent since succeeding in Killing BC?
His WWII quote could be related to the military training.
any opera buffs know if there are any other clues? the glowing could be because he's a phantom and only partially part of this dimension or whatever
Reading up on the plot of this thing, the masked dude has a "lair" that he brings the girl he's after to, this could be like what Julia does bringing back judge to a location.
like BC (think it was BC) said, Bockit has a quote about binary that could explain prowess with electronic locks
"I am the master of vegetable timing rush. - Silver" Hoho, it's all coming together now. Mr Julia waits for the exact right time to strike!
Check out these quotes from Day 3, it's clear Plexa is alluding to a timing attack:
Mr Julia had been given a strict set of instructions to follow, and the first required him to wait until exactly 3:14am. As predicted, vx70GTOJudgexv left the building at the precise time. (just like waiting for an opponent to move out with too few units / too soon) The bulbs on Mr Julia’s skin began to change to a chilling shade of yellow as he realised he did not have much time left. (losing his timing opportunity)
MOST IMPORTANT / ORIGINAL CONTENT WARNING:the white mask from the phantom of the opera logo (bockit's special icon) is leather and the dude in that play has a deformed face like Mr Julia's. http://store.masksandmakebelieve.com/phlewh.html
PLUS, he has a quote about a timing attack and this is clearly alluded to in Plexa's post, check the Bockit clue spoiler above. Everybody read this I'll be damned if this gets lost in the shuffle.
On July 13 2009 15:46 Scaramanga wrote: Mafia list is
motbob (gf) pyrr faronel ecomania IloveKT bockit
ez town win now, we have 6/6, lynch these people
pyrr may not be red, but he's gotta help the town 100% now to not die, vote sun btw i wanna kill a mafia
Leaving aside the fact that you haven't made an argument for my death other than "BC said so" (in a clue analysis he recanted, was made completely unworkable on day 3, and that I think I've found a much better explanation for) how are both IloveKT and bockit mafia?
Oh I get it, whoever I accuse is mafia, because I'm mafia, and I'm mafia because I'm mafia. Brilliant.
Scaramanga is mafia. He's the godfather, and, like, Plexa didn't tell us or anything but he's like the right bit of Lavos from Chrono Trigger and if we kill him we instantly win the game.
Still don't get why we'd kill motbob before ecomania when ecomania is 100% mafia and motbob is less than that and the motbob = gf because he talks is stupid in a game with cover. Bockit = named mafia = GF.
On July 13 2009 17:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Still don't get why we'd kill motbob before ecomania when ecomania is 100% mafia and motbob is less than that and the motbob = gf because he talks is stupid in a game with cover. Bockit = named mafia = GF.
I don't understand this post at all but it looks like you're saying I'm not the godfather so I endorse it.
You're still mafia and dying very soon. Write your will.
On July 14 2009 03:59 LucasWoJ wrote: Y'know, first thing that popped into my head was "Why isn't pyrr dead?"
And mafia operates very quickly. :O
You'll notice I called out Falcynn so they couldn't kill me without losing him. I dunno why they killed JeeJee but Foolishness has been playing better than me this game it's clear. I could say the same about you since you seem like an obvious target but maybe they are keeping you around to try to get you linked to Mr Julia again.
Nothing new in the day post that would refute that.
Foolishness and I had a plan to try to create a big lead for motbob in the polls vis-a-vis ecomania and see if we could spark a bandwagon onto ecomania and prove that motbob was higher rank. Anyway, it was 7-6 ecomania with few voters to go so that plan wasn't going to happen so I devised a new one to try to test Bockit.
Alright, so it doesn't look like we're gonna get a big enough separation between motbob and ecomania to detect any bandwagon. I'm pretty sure with that new clue analysis I found on Bockit that he's the GF; the even voting between ecomania and motbob might mean they are equal mafia or may mean all sorts of things. So to get some information out of this lynch here's my strategy: I'll switch my vote to Bockit and see if any suspects take it as an excuse to follow me. If they do, Bockit's probably innocent and it's back to the drawing board on mr julia. If not, its not confirmed that he is gf or anything, but at least we'll get some sort of info. I'll be sure to change my vote back to motbob before voting ends, and if I have to make ecomania win instead of bockit if something crazy happens ill do that and scaramanga can take care of motbob.
I can see this is fruitful, notice motbob is around but not trying to start a bandwagon onto Bockit and also notice that Bockit lies and says I tried to save motbob by changing it from 6-6 to 6-5 when it was 8-6 when I switched.
Editors note: it was actually 7-6 for ecomania due to the vote count fuck up.
"The only thing is that I still think Bockit is clean (or at least you should wait for lynching him). His votes have nearly all checked out (except for jumping on BC)." This is another reason why I think Bockit is GF. He probably the BC bandwagon knowing he'll turn up green since it was the mafia's most important move this game, then just plays it safe everywhere else.
As for my day 3 voting, yeah I fucked up and got baited badly, I explained that earlier and it's just getting more clearer to me what happened. I figured the uprising against BC was naturally occurring but the double votes should have told me otherwise.
Chaoser looks especially suspicious day 2, changing between two mafia.
ecomania from abstain--> ydg @00:28 (10) storrzerg from araav (0)-->truthbringer @01:13 (12) chaoser from abstain --> ydg @07:55 (11) JeeJee votes for chaoser @08:30 Scamp from abstain -->ydg @09:16 (12)
Yeah, vote sunny. Also, I think the medic should try to protect the assassin if they can figure out who it is because once he's spent all his hits we should be able to rally around him.
Yeah, hurry up infundi, I was gonna cover whatever you didn't... I sent my thoughts to lucas and infundi so one of the three of us should survive to post it / compare it to the new day post but yeah.
The sword from Day 5 could link to the following from GoodWill's profile:
"One, who does not have command over many words must find words that can be used like daggers or swords to swing in the face of the unknowing person who is thought of being an enemy."
I'll have to look over his voting again, I know he was the second vote for BC at one point. He also ended up as the first vote for ecomania (on Day 4). When Truthbringer was up 12-11 he voted Truthbringer so that doesn't look bad, though he couldn't have made ydg die.
Also note that a knife was used in an earlier day.
Day 4:
"ydg was confident in his ability to defend himself and as such had gone for his daily midnight stroll. On the home stretch he came across a rather tall man wandering about aimlessly. Confused, he approached the man and quickly realised that the man had no idea that he was even there. “Hey, what are you doing out this late?” inquired ydg. The man drew a knife and lunged aimlessly at ydg, missing terribly. “Hey what’s with the hostility?!” exclaimed ydg as he quickly put together the pieces. “You’re... Mafia!!”"
Ydg sounds like an "unknowing person" getting slashed at with a dagger. Also notice ydg keeps asking questions but the mafia doesn't / can't say anything in response. Contrast with Mr Julia who talks, for example.
Could be chaoser if he's a ninja, since he's begging for clue analysis.
Sometimes swords are used and aren't clues (the theme is supposed to be ancient although guns have been used and there are factories so I guess Plexa doesn't care lol). I think I used a sword in my game a few times without meaning it as a clue and I know in one game some game admin kept using swords without realizing it or meaning it as a clue and someone innocent died because of that.
However, Lenwe could also link to the not talking clue that links better to goodwill. Lenwe has a bad voting record as Lucaswoj explained (of course lucaswoj said we [pyrrhuloxia and infundibulum] had terrible records too :/), but look at this post:
I dunno what to think about that. It's like he got some sort of PM telling him to say something so he blindly followed it without reading up on the thread first to make sense. Or maybe he's trying to fake having been in favor of motbob's death or something (he didn't vote).
Also, we still have that flying clue for Falcynn and if you load up the whole thread with the "all" option and ctrl-f his name to look at all his posts, you'll see that pretty much every clue of his is suspicious. He wants snow instead of fog, says sorry for being inactive without doing anything productive afterward (see ecomania), he says he is prone to bandwagoning and that's why he bandwagoned on to bc and ydg, says he hopes to be lynched because he's useless to town, etc. We need people to be more active than ever but since ecomania's death, all he's done is say "yay" when ecomania died and "well... shit" when Faronel died (posting pure reactions like that usually means noob mafia).
BC figured if Storrzerg was mafia he'd be a zerg. I'm pretty sure JeeJee was killed by a zerg. The "scraping sound" in the airvent makes me think of a zergling, but what really looks suspicious to me is this: "The Mafioso stared at him with dagger eyes and rushed at him. JeeJee evaded the frontal rush but as a result was gored in the back." Zerglings have sufficiently dagger-like eyes: http://us.blizzard.com/blizzcast/_images/episode1/zerg.jpg Zerglings rush, we all know that. Zerglings can gore with those big arm spikes or those tusks from any direction (front or back). (or those things behind their knees, or their tails, or nearly any part of their body lol) Also, doesn't it seem like a zerg reference how JeeJee defeats the frontal assault but is defeated by his opponent maneuvering behind him (flanking him) and then killing him?
Oh one more thing, Foolishness is in a basement. I know when I've made clues in the past, I've often had death scenes underground when the killer is related to zerg to allude to the burrow ability. However, storrzerg's voting record is very innocent looking, so I wouldn't put storrzerg high on the priority list.
Also, the humming thing could either be ilovekt's profile pic or maybe infundibulum's. I linked some clue and behavior stuff to ilovekt earlier but the clue stuff was mostly Mr Julia stuff before I thought about the Phantom of the Opera.
Hmmm I hadn't thought there was a chance tall lanky was still alive. Someone said truthbringer's profile pic looked tall and since he was just a skeleton that would explain his thin nature. I kinda bought that.
Making so no fek sink in the harbour, dumping jeejee in the sea - those point to Bockit "im on a boat". Twig snapping = eco, I think it was bockit with eco that teamed up on so no fek.
Maybe bockit is linked to all this sea stuff and someone else is mr. julia? I still think bockit is the best fit for mr julia. ilovekt could have Flash bulbs growing out of him if he was Mr. Julia, Chezinu has green skin, green is close to yellow on the color wheel, so it could be Plexa's way of hinting at green without saying it. We'll have to see if he pops up in the net day post, if not I'd think we'd have to have killed him by now (I don't think any of the dead mafia link though).
well we're gonna have to get some good medic prots and the DT's gonna have to find some way to safely let us know what they've found out, they've gotta have something useful by now.
Also, "Covered pledges do not show up on lists if they are covered when the list is checked." DTs are nerfed pretty bad this game :-/. he's gotta have something else by day 5/6?
On July 16 2009 06:08 chaoser wrote: ok, i'm going to go out there and say this, anyone in a circle that knew storrzerg was medic, you guys gotta speak up cause mafia had to have hit him TWICE (two mafia targetted him) meaning they KNEW he was medic. someone in that circle is RED.
This is all I knew about the medic. I got pissed at Lucas when he posted Foolishness's analysis of who the medic was, but he said he was sure it wasn't malongo.
From LucasWoJ:
No, malongo isn't my bro (literally). 0cz3c is. I called him out being definite blue or mafia in the thread sometime, but mafia chose to ignore it. It's conceivable that he's blue, but again, posting something so publicly should make them wonder.
If you're worried, you could always respond "lol, why did you change the names?" or something to that effect. I don't think it's necessary: the fact that I posted it will make mafia re-consider the blues. But if you agree with foolishness, that's always a way out.
[[REDACTED]] seems to be a blue as well. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: What about Malongo, that's who he specifically calls out as medic for what look like pretty good reasons. Guess its too late now, though. I guess if you know Foolishness's wrong (Malongo's your bro after all) then good play.
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Because I think he's wrong. I think heav is an inactive green and falcynn mafia. The PM is going to confuse the hell out of the mafia, and will make the last tactic ESPECIALLY powerful (PM'ing them), if they read his PM that is.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Why'd you have to post the part where Foolishness analyzes who the medic is / blues are?
Later from LucasWoJ:
Scaramanga is doing something very stupid. He posted publically saying the mystic should look me up. He claims it's because he wants to put suspicion on me, but if GF cloaks me, I'll come up as red.
If bockit isn't red, I'm giving up.
falcynn seemed ok in the votes I looked at, but I haven't been paying any attention to his posts. That PM seems tremendously fishy. Did you ask him why he sent it to you?
Scaramanga claims to know the medic. He says it's not malongo. oO
Alright we rain is out. Do we vote fog or snow? Mafia is at 3.5 KP now. If we kill the godfather and vote fog, we might get KP down to 2. If we kill a mafioso/pledge fog might be useless. KP could go down to 3 if we vote fog and don't hit a red. Snow could let the last DT use a vote check and maybe help us nail down the mafia if Bockit is right and they are among the people who are not even posting.
Leather strap on the face. That is so fucking distinctive, why can't we figure this out? We're either gonna be kicking ourselves or Plexa when this is over.
On July 10 2009 03:28 StorrZerg wrote: would it be wrong to link Bockit?
his icon being a mask, phantom of the opera gliding flying ect ect.
or am i going no where?
I would think that's more likely to be falcynn. Wasn't there a clue linking to him earlier?
also this post pretty much cements that Falcynn is innocent.
Interesting to note that Pyrr has been the guy gunning for Falcynn and really took off from motbob's suggestion
Yeah, I think this exonerates Falcynn for sure. I saw flying and thought bird but we haven't seen feathers or anything. Black Bolt can fly (BWDero's profile pic), he's also tall and well built like the strong mafia that also seems to be the flyer that helps Mr Julia kill storrzerg.
I still don't see any explanation for your precipitous drop in activity. I'll admit tho, that malongo started pushing the faronel = light house clue analysis pretty fast on day 5 when at this point I'm thinking that was all just meant for motbob. And the Julia99 thing is not the greatest but there is still the colors stuff and the sound / music stuff. Plus gorush / military and backho / surgery though I can find zero that would suggest a leather strap mask (KT mascot has more of a ski goggle thing going on). Then again I can't find a link to anyone for that, the only one that made sense to me was Bockit. Plexa must be doing tons of red herrings. The yellow bulbs again could be Flash bulbs but that's pretty weak.
I dunno, this just seems like the patented MrBabyHands mafia trap to me. We called you out as mafia for being oddly inactive and you immediately start posting to try to rectify it in what looks like an overcorrection.
On July 16 2009 14:32 Malongo wrote: im not trying to prove im inocent, im trying to convince other townies to vote you thats all.
Why would you even say that? You had been goin' until you started going way overboard asking for bans that Plexa isn't going to be baited into giving. I think we can all agree that asking for bans is BS, otherwise any innocent player with a real presence here could just put their account on the table and say if I turn red give me a perma ban people would know they're legit. I don't think any greenie could be that fucking sure of KT's role and I know you're not the last mystic so we'll see how your buddy chaoser flips.
Scaramanga's vouching for iLoveKT and says his reason for inactivity is legit and the word of the most confirmed innocent is good enough for me.
So I think most of us can agree on chaoser and malongo at this point. I found this while rereading my myriad PMs, this one's from LucasWoJ, it's about a conversation he had with Clasic, we were suspicious of it but then we decided to go after Bockit instead What do you all think?
First PM from me to Clasic:
To: Clasic [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: mafia Date: 7/10/09 08:57 Hey uh, So why EXACTLY are you voting to lynch me? Don't consult your mafioso buddies. I will know based on your response (or lack thereof).
Why EXACTLY are you voting to kill me? What specific incident makes you think I'm mafia.
He doesn't respond even though he posts on the forum (not in the mafia thread. Somewhere else.)
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wait...who's this friend who wanted to vote for me? If you don't give me his name, I'm going to post this PM on the forums (and your last response, fyi, comes off very mafia-ish) ----------------------------------------- Original Message: because i didnt like your list on page 48.. honestly though idk why i voted you lawl i was talking to someone on msn and they wanted to vote you so i did the same.
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mmm, playing stupid, eh? Why did you vote for ME? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: "On July 06 2009 12:41 Faronel wrote: I vote for Truthbringer based on L's post.
Me too.
I vote Truthbringer"
If you wanted the answer you should of read my post.
----------------------------------------- [LucasWoJ]: I know you've read this PM, and will therefore try to get you lynched tomorrow unless you give me a reason for voting for me, which I will refute now because you chose not to respond to the previous PM.
If you're blue or even innocent, I would at least answer this PM so you don't get yourself killed via stupidity.
yeah, that's not quite lumberjack beard unfortunately I've been thinking that one over, how does this sound:
Lanky mafia appears by name in Day 1, 2, *possibly* days 3 and 4. Important about him is that he is "well aware" of his surroundings and perceptive. In Day 4 he would be the mafia citing scripture while the other (ecomania) ties a bomb to inertinept. In Day 3 he would be the guy that paralyzes So no fek. I don't think he is in Day 5. There's gotta be a fit to him but I'm just not sure who. One thing I noticed about this guy is that he never kills anyone. He MIGHT have killed Plexa in Day 1, but if we assume he did not then lanky mafia has not actually killed anyone himself this game.
This guy maybe?
Also the paralysis thing could refer to Jesus healing a paralyzed man, meaning he has control over paralysis, or maybe referring to people freezing when they see God, turning into a pillar of salt or whatever. Could refer to heavonearth or someone with a Jesus / religious quote in their profile. If tall/lanky did kill Plexa with the pistol, maybe Jules from Pulp Fiction?
Alright, I'm gonna start dumping everything important from my PM discussions today:
comments on chaoser / malongo from iLoveKT:
Malongo and Chaoser.
-unknown tipster.
lol.
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The town suspected chaoser for weird voting patterns right? my theory is that malongo just came up with 2 lynch candidates (bockit and faronel) to save chaoser' ass. And see how when faronel spoke up, chaoser was trying to get the town to vote for him, then malongo started the bandwagon for faronel, we all know he turned up green (thus possibility of bockit being not mafia is high too). Not hard to see malongo as mafia too since he used his 2 votes to kill BC. Im not sure if it matches with clues and what not cause I havent been focusing on them. I wouldnt be surprised if chaoser was gf.
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It should be pretty obvious again. I started a vote on chaoser, and malongo comes to the rescue again. It should be pretty obvious now dont you think?
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mafia are: malongo chaoser (gf imo) and lenwe (less then 50% sure) I have no idea who the 4th is.
also, we should probably be not be too over concerned with clues. chaoser and malongo are using the excuse that they have no clues on them or what not. We probably missed some clues or plexa's clue style is just really weird.
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also pyyr, notice how never have i said anything or even voted for/against malongo. i just voted for chaoser, then malongo comes in and saves chaoser and coming with betting that he'd be ban from tl, w/e. does that situation sound familiar???
remember the first time everyone was lynching chaoser? malongo also came to the rescue and told us to lynch faronel without even saying why (at least i didnt buy it). same situation. faronel, now me.
Me: BWDero has played a ton of games, and when he has a role that is not green, he always pretends to be inactive, including skipping votes. You seem to know who all the blues are. If BWDero isn't one of them, I think we've got a red.
Scaramanga: hes not blue
Me: Pretty sure BWDero is our flying dude.
Scaramanga: yeah i thought that but wasnt sure if that was strong, also which out of the three i posted in the thread [chaoser, lenwe, malongo] has more mafia clues against them
--- I thought I sent another PM somewhere in here but I guess I lost it. :/ Maybe because my browser crashed and I forgot to retype. Basically it was about how all I could find on chaoser was a sword (possible ninja link) and that bulbasaur thing that sounded shoddy as hell to me. For Lenwe and malongo, they could both be related to the mafia that seems to ignore questions / have trouble speaking. ---
Me: hey I was goin' over the posts of suspects when I found some clue analysis redtooth did linking to Lenwe:
"Lenwe is an elf from LotR and elfs are tall and lanky (like the mafia mentioned in Day 2). The lanky mafia also "sidestepped" lmnop much like how the man in the profile picture "sidestepped" out of the bench. On the other hand, the lanky mafia's partner was the one who started the foxglove poisoning and has an obsession with bombs. The comic in Lenwe's profile is from "Cyanide and Happiness" and is the only reference to poisons I could find. Also, the comic is from explosm.net and is one of two references to bombs and explosions I could find.
REFUTATIONS TO THE ABOVE ARGUMENTS - Lenwe can not possibly be both mafias. Also, the "curiously garbed mafia" is the one who ended up setting the bomb on Day 3 so it can't be both Lenwe and infundibulum"
However, in looking through Lenwe's posts, there is reason to think he's green. Still, infundibulum, iLoveKT, and lucaswoj have had this guy high on their suspect lists, his name probably has come up the most. If chaoser comes up red, it pretty much confirms iLoveKT's hypothesis that Malongo has been covering for him, so I'd go for Malongo next.
My list right now would probably be: Chaoser Malongo (assuming Chaoser is red) BWDero Lenwe
On July 17 2009 08:31 Malongo wrote: Sooo sick. Lol and i thought i was playing bad. Hey mamma im mafia can we vote ydg all togheter at the same time...??? Phyrr I never tried to defend chaoser, clues to him were just garbage and you know that. Please believe me: Lenwe is pledge because IM TOWNIEEEE ahahahah goddamnit how the hell im gonna tell you guys im not mafia... lololololllllll. WAIT there is a way i can prove im townie, im not kidding LOLOLOLOLOL i will come back with this idea in 30 minutes because this can be autogg even if we lost all important roles today: Remember weather? we can use the weather to separate people in certain number of groups to check if all the people that say that have a vote does really have it LOL this could work...
I've thought about that, but it's not gonna work because inactive townies /mafia could fuck it up and, on top of that, it could be a great way to give away the DT.
Oh I get it, we could have like Malongo vote for one weather and then no one else vote for any weather and see what happened. But if he's red, especially GF, that's an extra KP for day and could mean the difference between win or loss for us, especially if we end up with no weather or a weather we can't use, which is most of them. In any case, this plan means we have to potentially waste our lynch and wait an extra day to see if our top suspect can change weather or not.
On July 17 2009 09:07 Malongo wrote: mafia kp will be always 2 even if we lynch GF
Nope,
3 mafia 1 + .5 + .5 = 2
if we kill GF, KP is down to 1
On July 17 2009 09:07 Malongo wrote: mafia kp will be always 2 even if we lynch GF If we lynch GF then other mafia takes the rol so mafia KP will be always 2 until theres only one mafia.
Nope again,
"If you are killed by an Assassin, your role will be transferred to another Mafia member."
On July 17 2009 09:28 Malongo wrote: I can only ask townies to review my day 2 voting list. If mafia put 5 votes (at least) to save truthbringer why didnt I change my vote? Take in mind that im the 5th voter for truthbringer and that the count is 12 // 11 truthbringer over ydg and then come the last 2 votes to truthbringer. If im mafia why didnt I change my vote? Please review this well before looking me red. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=97002¤tpage=4
Maybe you spread yours out because you are GF? Also, you could say the same thing about anyone voting for TruthBringer, its like the only vote of yours that has ended up the right way. If we go by what you're saying, that every mafia would have changed their vote to ydg, we'd have to lynch ilovekt and falcynn, the remaining two ydg voters. Yet iLoveKT led the charge against chaoser and I'd bet falcynn is innocent, too.
Let's see, infundi begins suggesting the strategy of fog day 1 and then snow day 2, thank god we didn't do that with how bad we've been led around on clue analysis after the success with TruthBringer.
Redtooth (angel) says he has a plan during day 1 but is light on details. Unfortunately for us, that kind of telegraphs blue. Infundibulum and chaoser badger him for more details.
Foolishness on Day 2 sees something fishy about infundibulum's defense of ydg: "iNfuNdiBuLuM, you have abstained from voting thus far. If you really think ydg is innocent, why have you not taken any direct action against it? The vote (at least right now) is close and you have yet to accuse anyone else or suggest that someone else be lynched instead of ydg.
That being said, the summary of your post here reads, "We should not listen to BC, but I could care less who dies". It seems to me you are against BC, not against ydg being lynched."
Infundibulum day 2: "And yes, at this point I think ydg is innocent. I would prefer not lynch him. If he does get lynched, his alignment will play a large part in how we think about BC."
Looks like he wants to leverage ydg's innocence to get BC killed.
Also, look how fast anyone who call him out as a lynch target dies:
Caller comes into the game and immediately tells us to kill infundibulum, and we all know how long he lasted in the game: --------BEGIN CALLER QUOTES guys guys guys i say we kill infundibulum
"Satisfied with a job well done, the Mafioso signalled to his colleagues that the Control Room was secure."
"Elemenope had been alerted to their activities moments ago upon hearing the prolonged roar which had come from the control tower, which then prompted him to look outside his window which overlooked the entire factory."
infundibulum has a tuba in his profile, which when played could definitely be construed as a loud roar. Plus, what else could make that signal?
also, his posts in the thread are junk either pontificating about ydg or worrying about stupid fears that are unlikely and are beyond his control. Rather than clue identify, which is his normal townie modus operandi, he's doing some different shit. Lynch him. -------END CALLER QUOTES
On July 10 2009 04:08 redtooth wrote: While Pyrr is mulling over the gravity of my offer, let's do brainstorm some clue analysis.
On July 09 2009 19:39 Plexa wrote: While walking through the last and only park on their journey home they heard a strange but faint laughter. A twig behind them snapped. They panicked- Caller turned and ran as fast as he could, while So no fek was petrified and could not move. The Mafioso stepped forward and ensured that So no fek would no longer be able to move. As he was running, Caller heard the laughter again, but more clearer. He looked up into the trees and a curiously clothed man glided down from the tree, but stumbled on the landing and fell over. To Callers’s surprise he burst out laughing. Not willing to take a chance, Caller backed away but his leg got caught in a trap and was hoisted into the air helpless.
Let's have a look at the profile of iNfuNdiBuLuM. The first thing you see is a man carrying a large Tuba. Forget that for now, there doesn't seem to be any link to that in the clues so far. However, scroll down more and you get to see two animated gifs of figures laughing gleefully while dressed up in what we would define as "curious garbs".
On July 08 2009 21:22 Caller wrote: guys guys guys i say we kill infundibulum
Satisfied with a job well done, the Mafioso signalled to his colleagues that the Control Room was secure.
Elemenope had been alerted to their activities moments ago upon hearing the prolonged roar which had come from the control tower, which then prompted him to look outside his window which overlooked the entire factory.
infundibulum has a tuba in his profile, which when played could definitely be construed as a loud roar. Plus, what else could make that signal?
cool, cool. some more evidence of a link. oh yeah, caller died btw. he had almost no information because he only recently entered the game. he was replacing aarav who could just as easily have been mafia because of all the clue analysis linking to him. why would it benefit mafia to kill caller? because of this post.
And redtooth dies that night.
Also notice this from Plexa's rules: Clues can be taken from anywhere. They could come from profiles, signatures or even posts made from inside the game.
I hadn't even noticed that until I saw a post heavonearth made about it on Day 1. Maybe that's the source of all the confusion and fuck-ups we've been making clue wise. Perhaps the lumberjack beard refers to the Billy Mays picture that redtooth put in the middle of his analysis of infundibulum?
On July 09 2009 02:25 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Ugh why did people vote fog? This could be bad :\
Caller, the way I interpreted that writing was that the "roar" was either the roar of gunfire or an alarm, not the mafioso's signal. Especially since it's described as "prolonged". It is a funky word choice though, I'll give you that.
are you trying to act like mafia? people are already suspicious of you...
fog halves the killing power of PLEDGES and we got rid of a MAFIA, fog is actually very good. add to the fact that we really dont need vote list checks this early and it guarantees a low kill night while we gather up more information. how is fog bad again?
Inerptinept didn't die that night, but the next, probably because mafia was busy sniping the DT, and getting the priest, plus killing L to make BC look bad. They killed caller that night and they didn't use up all 5 KP, maybe inertinept was blocked that night.
infundibulum goes after BC, but then retracts his vote at basically the last second when it can have no effect on the outcome, probably thinking no one would look at him in the fallout since he wasn't on the final roll call. Notice chaoser came in at the last moment of the day and made a post defending BC, he probably would have gone against BC and voted for BC had BC started to get off the chopping block. Also notice that infundibulum keeps posting the final voting tallies without any switches noted.
----Malongo: ...please rolcheck one of this guys:
Scaramanga Infundibulum Pyrrhuloxia --- Maybe they put cover on me or scaramanga so we looked red and infundi is GF so they figured they had a 2/3rd chance of creating a town fuck-up? Malongo never explains why he picks those 3.
LucasWoJ calls out infundibulum as his #1 target based on voting analysis and dies that night.
And for clue stuff more recent than what redtooth wrote, notice that redtooth says that you should ignore the tuba player (presumably because there are no music clues), but in more recent days we've seen a mafia humming a tune to himself (infundibulums whole profile is about music, not just the tuba player but also a signature about music and more pics in his profile of musicians and dancing). Also, I figured the mafia chasing after storrzerg had to be flying, but you'll notice it never says that. Storrzerg is bleeding and that mafia could have just followed the blood trail on the ground and then knocked storrzerg out of the sky with a fruit cart. Not sure what the fruit cart is about, but fruit is sold from a cart and Billy Mays got his fame selling Orange Glo, a fruity product.
"prolonged roar" could refer to the "sounds of the earth" from infundibulum's profile because it is a natural sound and that was a pretty early clue. The word "sound" was used on day 1, that might have been the only clue (I know I used only 1 word clues on my day 1 post).
I'm gonna be honest, I'm not sure which mafia infundibulum is, but he's obviously one of them.
It's true that I've made mistakes, but while I've worked to fix them you haven't. Kuja linked really damn well, I didn't see anyone else presenting a good case for the second lynch to go along with ecomania and we've only found one red vote on him so far. I fucked up on BC even after foolishness tried to stop me, but at least I was honest about what my opinion was, you say you want to save BC but throw out a single vote at Faronel and one on Kuja instead, neatly putting your votes anywhere but where they could help BC or hurt ecomania. Same thing with YDG, you run up posts about why he's innocent to build up early game cred, but don't vote TB until you absolutely have to do it. Day 4, we lynched two reds and you apparently didn't see a single target worth going after and didn't vote.
It's true you helped clear falcynn's name, but then what do you use that to do? Try to guilt trip him into pulling his vote off of chaoser:
"look at the fucking voting
notice that so many people voting for him have not even come in the thread to say why
does this not strike anyone as weird
falcynn i know you are green why can't you see this?"
to which chaoser adds:
"THANK YOU
most of those people who voted haven't been activate at ALL in the game. most have said one to two things that have no meaning. atleast i defended BC before he was to be lynched."
Same thing with scaramanga: "Scaramanga please change your vote to iLoveKT, since we all know you're innocent" As if "I know you're innocent" is a reason to vote for iLoveKT, especially since the only people that can be 100.00000000% sure who is innocent are mafia. Classic mafia maneuver there, LucasWoJ got me with it last game.
On July 17 2009 14:27 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: But dude, you and me and everyone else know that Clasic's, GoodWill's, and HeavOnEarth's drive by votes for chaoser were weird. Lucky for chaoser that he could play such stupidity to his advantage.
Pray tell why we should be more suspicious of those three because they did a "drive-by" on a red? That's our goal. And chaoser wasn't lucky that he could play it to his advantage because at the end of the day only you were voting for him.
Alright, well, tell you what. I don't want Malongo's bungling to get lost in this shuffle but I still think iLoveKT made an awesome case that I found a lot to go along with. You sent me your suspect ideas before we called you out so, why don't we start with where we the three of us agree and see what happens.
If had voted we would have gotten less information because neither of us would be confirmed green. If it came up sunny and I had voted sunny there are many possible explanations: HOE is green I am maf / blue + one or more of lenwe / malongo is blue/red HOE and I are green + one or more of lenwe / malongo is blue/red
Plus, I warned y'all this plan would fuck us over and keep us from snow and lo and behold! At least we know one (or more, if I'm getting this right) of malongo and lenwe are mafia. I'd say lenwe is most suspicious.
here's what happened: there were two supposed votes for sunny, HOE and malongo, then malongo supposedly changed his voted to snow after Lenwe had supposedly voted for snowy. So it should have been 2-1 for snowy, if both Lenwe and Malongo were telling the truth. And I know they aren't blue. So one of 'ems not unless some green fucked up and voted sunny without saying so, but that doesn't make any sense - no green would accidentally vote sunny when all assassins are dead, I could see some mostly inactive person throwing in a vote for fog or snowy without seeing the plan but not sunny. If it ended up 1-1, the tie breaker would have gone to HOE's sunny vote. It may have ended up 1-0 if both Lenwe and Malongo are mafia.
On July 20 2009 08:32 Lenwe wrote: The sad thing is, with activity the way it is you don't even have to push all this because if all three remaining mafia members (that includes you btw) vote for me I will be dead anyway. So it's pretty much game unless town suddenly springs to live and comes to its senses and realizes that:
a. Your plan failed horribly (due to inactivity). b. You can lie about your vote just as easy as I can, but I am not doing that.
Only good thing that comes from killing me is the fact that the mystic will live another day.
And I love how you went from 'he could be mystic' one page back, to 'he is 100% mafia' now.
Time for bed.
Dude you just fucked up yourself royaly. We traded snow for a mafia (for those who still dont believe in my allignment a 50% list) and a confirmed townie. What else can I say.
On July 20 2009 14:02 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: fog can't help us. There is a godfather and best case scenario for fog is that the two other mafia left are pledges.
So KP right now is 2: 1 + .5 + .5
If we kill the gf today, KP is down to 1, with fog, kp is down to .5 which is rounded up to 1. So fog does nothing.
If we kill a pledge today, KP is down to 1.5, rounded up to 2. With fog, KP is 1.25, rounded up to 2.
If we don't kill a mafia today, KP is 2, with fog it might go down to 1.5, which is rounded back up to 2.
Fog is useless now.
Why are you trying to look clueless now someone did the math back in the thread there (storrzerg or foolishness) theres 1 gf, 1 pledge, 1 mafia alive. Scaramanga said that there was 1 pledge between malongo, chaoser and lenwe. Chaoser turned pledge. I now im townie. Lenwe is mafia or gf.
LMAO! The mafia continues to taunt us Why would they kill Malongo? Maybe trying to bluff us of Lenwe? Or maybe because he came up with the plan. Such a mindfuck.
Malongo PMed me asking to continue his plan, so how about this:
I'll vote snowy with iLoveKT, and Goodwill and Chezinu vote sunny AFTER we've voted snowy?
On July 21 2009 06:36 Lenwe wrote: If there are a few townies still interested in playing the game correctly, I voted Snow for weather (and yes it will count) and I am willing to change it if it is necessary for some plan they come up with.
Lol we already checked you so you can "vote" for whatever you want I guess.
I think Falcynn's killer is Lenwe. Once again we see the "unsuspecting" nature of the victim emphasized, just like how the victim in Lenwe's profile picture (boyfriend getting dumped) is unsuspecting. The mafioso is described as brown, this could refer to the bench (and there are often benches on bridges, which this mafioso jumps off of). Lenwe in lord of the rings founded the Nandor culture. That could be linked to the praying, because much of the prayer in the Lord of the Rings Universe is done by elves (Legolas prays for the fallen after battle, Arwen prays for Frodo's safety).
As for the rest of the mafia, we can't miss again so we'll have to follow the plan, and I'll take a look over everything in a bit.
On July 12 2009 14:14 redtooth wrote: i look away from this game for two days (mostly because of pyrr being either the most brilliant mafia ever or the biggest wad of shit i've ever seen) and we lynch BC.
fucktasticly brilliant everybody. well look on the bright side:
On July 12 2009 05:32 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Don't think I'm gonna be playing this game anymore after this one.
Oh ho ho! You haven't seen the last of me!
I'm so happy to be accepting the Redtooth Award for Most Brilliant Mafia Ever! Thank you first to the sponsors, Heinz Ketchup! I'd also like to thank my mafia team, especially Bockit! With your help, and the help of many other key unknowing players, even an army of zombies, beings from outside this realm, and God himself couldn't stop us! Plexa must have confirmed half the town as green and thrown a million other unexpected obstacles our way, but after destroying Truthbringer on Day 2 he started writing the clues to fit innocent people perfectly and not fit us at all so it sorta evens out (who the hell is Mr. Julia anyway? Chezinu I guess? At various times I thought chaoser or maybe me...). I'd also like to thank Plexa for ending the game so I can finally be at peace without worrying about this game 24/7. Now excuse me while I crotch dance around the room!
On July 21 2009 15:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, talk to RoL, as he was the first red i talked to at death, but my death mafia list was Pyrr motbob ecomania RoL
lol so why did you tell town to follow Foolishness and I and go after Bockit and Malongo?
On July 21 2009 15:33 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Lol thank god MBH was dead he would have screwed us over for all our mistakes.
I heard he got 6/8 of us by the time he was going to be rezzed
I heard he killed a wild wildebeest with his bare hands and that he knows how to speak French in Russian in Vietnamese. And that he's more interesting than the Most Interesting Man in the World because, technically, he isn't a man because of this rare chromosome mutation that makes him have a really manly body, yet a woman's intuition.