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On July 06 2009 13:31 HeavOnEarth wrote: where the hell did araav come from wtf To be honest i have looked a lot into clues and I think you fit well into Mr Julia. My reasoning: There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer (Hi. Nub. Lawl. Ez!!) to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations (see your profile) and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate (google search on you returns http://www.heavenearth.co.uk/ oxygen+fire => combustion also from that page "Oxygen Supplementation - a Key to Vibrant Health".) “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out. Last note to the fact that Mr Julia has a female name and the suplement is focused on women (see pictures in page). Im voting to lynch Heavonearth. | ||
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"If you want to discharge your energy on someone, do it here! There are a lot of Brutes in the Arena who can't wait to swap punches! " from http://l0lhi.mybrute.com/cellule and note your female brute with all those superpower based abilities. | ||
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On July 06 2009 15:23 HeavOnEarth wrote: also that weak google search u did wasn't even my name spelled correctly http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=heavenearth&cts=1246861326453&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g10 "heavenearth" however it seems you are keeping on par with your inability to solve anything until the last night of the mafia game. Good thing you are solving this quickly. | ||
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a) Ls clue analisis is decent. b) This lynch is a gamble anyways. c) Again Ls behavioral analisis is decent. So this gamble is more likely to give us more "implied odds" in case of success. If we fail... we lynch heavonearth . For weather i think that snow is the best this time. Sunny is useless, rain too because angel protection is doubled on target, that means we get 2 people protected anyways and i really think mafia wont double their hits until they found one of their hits didnt pass. So we have fog and snow. Fog is good, it gives us -1 kp. However we wont be able to make a checklists of these lists (not too important) and we lose the chance to get a countercheck to our list of clues. I think this will be the only day when we are not in a bad position to get more clues. Next day we wil need to decrease mafia kp to assure that mbh gets back and then rain to protect him. So im voting SNOW | ||
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On July 07 2009 11:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: First off You don't even know how rain works, and the fact your opting for more clues over less mafia KP means your an idiot. MBH has what, 20 pages of behavioural analysis to use (the kid can snipe people insanely easily off that) and your like "hey guys lets lose 5 people tonight" And didnt you learn anything last game by sucking on L's nuts? he got a green mayor killed, caused the vice to suicide, and protected a 100% mafia, and you say his shit is sane, just wow. Hey bro step back and think twice before calling me idiot. - Maybe I dont know how rain works but that calls more for a public question to Plexa: Does rain give each angel 2 targets to protect or protection is doubled on each single target? - Lets look at fog vs snow: Pros from fog: -1KP for mafia. Thats it. Now would you trade 1 more hit for 4/5 new clues for a total of 8/10 next day? Well i do now. Why? because we wont have the chance in days to come and they put us 1 day ahead in terms of clues, thats not that hard to see. Most of the good clue analisys has historically came days 3/4 when the town is death for inactivity so i think its a good call also thinking that MBH will be here to call the extra clues. The tradeback is one more hit from the mafia not really big deal. - Yeah i love Ls nuts... Hey wait you lied, last game I was even betting 10 dollars L was mafia. Mmm why would do you lie about that, whos the idiot? Townies vote Snow today, trust me we wont be able to do this other day. | ||
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On July 08 2009 04:51 L wrote: I haven't actually done the math on 2 priests with 2 seperate protections each. I was operating under the assumption that they could only protect 2 targets. The KP difference is probably close to .5 or .6 net difference, but the real gem in voting rain would be access to the vote lists tonight. The problem is that we need to organize the current vote in order to maximize the information we're getting and the current vote is tight. I doubt people will want to switch around. I think you are wrong. The real gem is that every hit protected gives the angel a person to trust and mafia has to guess if they were blocked or they hit an angel themselves. With 5 hits and 4 protections is we need just 1 block to make it win/win and even in worst case we may be forcing mafia to stack hits. Rain is far better then fog. | ||
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On July 09 2009 14:32 Ver wrote: Where's the enthusiasm and activity LOL coming from a suicide mayor. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + The Laughter: Caller and So no fek were returning from their night class on nautical warfare, but knowing there were Mafia about they decided to take the back route to their home. While walking through the last and only park on their journey home they heard a strange but faint laughter. A twig behind them snapped. They panicked- Caller turned and ran as fast as he could, while So no fek was petrified and could not move. The Mafioso stepped forward and ensured that So no fek would no longer be able to move. As he was running, Caller heard the laughter again, but more clearer. He looked up into the trees and a curiously clothed man glided down from the tree, but stumbled on the landing and fell over. To Callers’s surprise he burst out laughing. Not willing to take a chance, Caller backed away but his leg got caught in a trap and was hoisted into the air helpless. The Mafioso stood up walked over to Caller and tied his hands up with a bomb. Standing just outside of the blastzone, the Mafioso and Caller stared into each other’s eyes as Caller’s death was literally counting down. The blast destroyed Caller. The morning rooster crowed, and both Mafioso knew that So no fek still had to be dealt with. Upon checking his wallet they established his ironic death by making So no fek sink in the harbour. YDGs profile: "The only courage that matters is the kind that gets you from one moment to the next." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mignon_McLaughlin Note that her quotes are quite ironic. | ||
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On July 10 2009 16:01 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: so in this idea, YDG would be a pledge they were trying to sacrifice instead of truthbringer? Yes. The main reason behind this is the way the voting went under L/BCs candidates. Im very suspicious of BCs behaviour this game since he has made some really bad calls in my book (like switching at last time from his "lynch-list" to lynch MBH// fighting L and me because i supported him// Only 2 real emperor campaigns// truthbringers vote// random very bad clues// switching from araav to ydgs to lynch// calling for this double lynch without saying a word// other bad calls). However i dont have the guts to call to lynch him yet as if he is town sided we would be losing 2 DLs. | ||
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Summary: Vote RAIN please. | ||
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On July 10 2009 17:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: changing both my votes first one on kuja900 second on inertinept BC you called to lynch YDG yesterday making a fairly good behavioral analysis. Today we have 2 people lynched and i pinned him down to a fairly convincig clue. Isnt YDG mafia anymore or im missing something? | ||
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On July 11 2009 01:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Malongo, your linking to ydg is so stretched for the mafia you linked to over others linked for it. And at this point foolishness has said, Mafia is almost guarenteed to be hiding in the inactive players. Inertinept links semi well, and is inactive. He also stated earlier he just wanted to troll over being useful. I would say off people for that. As for kuja, he links to multiple clues over days, so seems semi safe to kill as he also is inactive. Ecomania is a good choice as well. That was not what I asked you BC stop dodging. You called YDG to be mafia remember? What happens now? you dont think he is mafia anymore? And you call that shit about inerpinept a clue? Townies please read the thread. Please look at the clues our "good clue analist" has provided. The only good clue analysis you made was vx70GTOJudgexv -> BERSERKER -> Rage, hate. And guess what: he was our priest!! Not just that: he posted that the same fucking day the clue came! If you are not mafia you are helping the mafia too much period. Im tired of this: Why is BC mafia? 1- Im sure there was a mafia running for the office. Im pretty sure thats the best thing you can do with the GF why?? Why were you SOOOO interested in getting checked? yeah... I remember reading in the thread that pyrri asked if it was good or not for the GF to run. The answer is simple: Yes. The only important thing you can do with the GF is to break avoc in the office. Obviously with checkable emperor the first thing that would happen is that the emperor is going to get checked. Why wasnt mafia that much afraid of losing GF? Because it has replacement. For them GF is just like another mafia. Now remember L? yeah that guy that you called a moron and was working for the town? Yeah: L: "PRETTY SURE ONE OF THE RUNNERS IS MAFIA". Ehm. L is dead. HEEEELLLLOOOOO!!!! 2- Your CLUES SUCK ASS. Look at that about Pyrri looking for 3:14 and those videos. Look at that shit about inerpinept. You have done nothing 0 shit to help the town with your clues. Inert->petrified? inept->???? that is bullshit man that is not a clue that is missleading really i dont understand how people can buy that. More important than that YOU ARE THE LEADER OF THE TOWN YET HAVE PROPOSED AND VOTED FOR ABOUT 10 Different people: araav?? ydg?? pyrrhuloxia?? Kuja? Inertinept?? I have never seen a WORST OFFICE IN TERMS OF LEADERSHIP. 3- Look at all the people that has MADE THE CONECTION IN 1: THEY ARE DEAD. So no fek, L whos next? malongo? so no fek: + Show Spoiler + Another thing to consider would be the "if mafia ran for Emperor, who would it be?". Four people ran (think JeeJee ran jokingly, but never followed up past his post), MBH, L, BC, and HeavOnEarth. MBH is a (dead) confirmed townie. HeavOnEarth pulled out of the race, and supported BC. BC won and became Emperor. L lost. Truthbringer was the first to vote for BC, with no reasoning. He also supported ydg's lynching, not sure off the top of my head if he posted his reasons. L was the one that did the analysis of TruthBringer, which led to us lynching a mafia. At the moment, I personally think that if any of the candidates was mafia, BC would be the strongest suspect, which would put is in a tough situation. The only real evidence against him (if you look at it in a negative light - it could also be positive if it works), is killing MBH. If he's mafia, he gets rid of one of the best players for two days, and gets a decent chance to snipe the priest before MBH is resurrected, and thus out of the game for good. However, it shouldn't be seen in an entirely negative light, because if the plan works, MBH can hopefully guide us. If BC turns red, HeavOnEarth could potentially be mafia. The entirety of his campaign was a bit iffy, such as him bowing out and immediately supporting BC, when he himself stated that it was likely the Godfather was among all the candidates. However, that's not to say he is mafia, and much like BC's case, it's all speculation at this point. He abstained from the lynch vote, which doesn't really help the town, but it doesn't hurt it either. One thing to consider is that ydg could still be mafia, though I personally think he's innocent. If he eventually does flip mafia, then most of the suspicions on BC would be lifted. I suppose we can't entirely dismiss L from being mafia at this point, however, I'd say the chance is less than 5% (had to do it). The only way L could be mafia is if it was a mafia ploy to get us trusting him, and then maybe have blues send their roles and all. Which would only really be an option if MBH doesn't get resurrected. People can still choose to form circles, but a mass list of who is who is dangerous, when there is even any doubt of the person's alignment. Another reason L isn't entirely dismissed is the Gosu message. It's possible the message was coincidental, but I think more likely than not, our enemy is toying with us. Such as saying "we're better than you - we can waste a full night's kills and still win the game". In BC's game, L also managed to get away with a lot as mafia (Ver is godfather). However, I think that putting one of your own up on the chopping block AND playing alphabet soup would be pushing it too far. I'm not saying that any of the candidates are mafia, however, if any of them are, I'd say L is the safest bet for being a townie. Dont get fooled townies Lynch BC TODAY HE HAS TROLLED ALL THE GAME And vote Rain too. Thanks. | ||
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On July 11 2009 01:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Malongo, your linking to ydg is so stretched for the mafia you linked to over others linked for it. And at this point foolishness has said, Mafia is almost guarenteed to be hiding in the inactive players. Inertinept links semi well, and is inactive. He also stated earlier he just wanted to troll over being useful. I would say off people for that. As for kuja, he links to multiple clues over days, so seems semi safe to kill as he also is inactive. Ecomania is a good choice as well. This is why you are mafia BC. Exactly this: please read with me this paragraph as im not the original writer: + Show Spoiler + YDG Why he is Mafia. So, we come down to the last bit of game. I have opted for a different approach this game than normal. The town leadership although “won” by me will be directly placed on MBH when he revives, why you ask? Because he is confimed townie. As such I have gone out of my way to get reactions out of players, and observe how they react/were acting before said post. YDG is the most prominent of these people. Now we will analyze why On July 03 2009 03:03 ydg wrote: Can we repeatedly vote for the same weather options? Like snow/snow/snow/snow/snow? And the weather takes effect the night and the next day, right, so if we voted for fog that means that tomorrow's vote checks wouldn't show pledges? Anyways I'm stuck between snow and rain. Day 1 clues are always weak because they're mostly red herrings so more clues would be nice, but with a KP of 5 and only 30 townies, mafia needs 5 days to win, so it might be a good idea to limit their KP until we can kill some mafia and lower it that way. On July 03 2009 03:18 ydg wrote: I wouldn't say that rain is useless, especially early game. Early game, mafia can either hit blindly, try to snipe, or take out people talking a lot. It's easier to block hits if they do the last two, which usually happens early game. Hitting blindly isn't going to help them that much. Regardless, I voted for snow. Oh and got my role. On July 03 2009 03:21 ydg wrote: Wait. "The option with the most votes will be announced during the lynching and the weather will change immediately." Vote for fog. I assume lynching for day 1 means the election, so we do fog during the election, since you can't even list check mayor voting lists, and we have them lose some hits for the night. And then tomorrow we change the fog to snow and they can list check. Unless there is no weather for tonight. Look at these time stamps people, within the span of 20ish minutes, he has argues snow/rain/fog. Saying he voted for snow, then asking people to vote fog. You wonder why is this an issue, well that’s a good point. See, common mafia tactic is to appear to be active, as this is, even appear to be helpful which it does, HOWEVER, by constant flipflopping and not enforcing one idealogy off sound reasoning, we instead have someone trying to create chaos and disruption. We move on. On July 03 2009 05:12 ydg wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2009 05:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I think Snow will actually not be that helpful this early because getting twice as many Day 1 clues is probably not going to be that helpful. We don't know how Plexa is doing clues either... KP is... holy fuck 5! So I guess that means at least 5 clues per day post and Snow probably doubles that? Maybe Snow just adds a constant number or multiplies the clue number by less than 2, who knows... OK nvm, we wouldn't get more Day 1 clues but Day 2 clues so this could be pretty helpful. Not necessarily, since Plexa could do clues where only a few mafia have clues linked to them each day. But I agree, until we know how clues are, if they're tidbits from the mafia's profile/whatever else and expressed through traits such as physical traits, tendency to use a weapon, or what not, or if the tidbits are just shown in the scene. Or if Plexa draws heavily on a theme or if he picks from this and that, we don't know yet. Wait a second He just advocated voting fog, now we are back to saying snow is useful for day 1, and tries to once again express this is a good idea. Constant try to keep conversation on a bad bad idea, he even ignores the fact that fog will lower KP, when 5 is insanely high for such a low player game. On July 03 2009 10:12 ydg wrote: I disagree with spamming fog, but I agree that fog should be used day one. List checking is one of the most effective tools, and, as pledges can only be found via list checks, if we spam fog, we will have no sure way of hitting pledge as opposed to hitting regular mafia. Here he doesn’t like the fog option repeatedly as he doesn’t believe we can hit pledges without list checks (fog has been deemed smartest choice overall by player base for day 1) Once again he wants us to let mafia have highest KP possible. On July 05 2009 15:18 ydg wrote: Show nested quote + On July 05 2009 14:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ydg as he tends to go inactive for alot of a game in most games (sorry bud but inactives kill the game) I'd post more but it seems like there's not much to discuss now? Tbh I only go inactive when I'm mafia lol. I'd clue analyze but it's only day 1. I like to wait until at least day 2 to start looking at it. On July 05 2009 15:25 ydg wrote: Okay assuming Plexa is going with mafia have their own eccentricities and quirks and their own traits, here are a few weird things I found... Show nested quote + On July 03 2009 21:44 Plexa wrote: "were strung up on lines like a human clothes line." "He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device." "he heard gun load, he felt the cold of the barrel up against the back of his neck." "You will all pay for what you have done to me”. So so far only two characters have been mentioned, "tall and lanky" and "Mr. Explosive." I THINK that the person who killed Plexa was another person, perhaps a stealthy person (like a ninja, why is there always a ninja). Also, the "strung up on lines like a human clothes line" is VERY strange, what a weird way to phrase an odd scene. And of course, the note. But, being day 1, I can't think much of these except a preliminary outline of how clues will be? He mentions how he doesn’t like to clue analyze day 1(very intelligent I will give) then proceeds to CLUE ANALYZE, only after I called him out, WHY would you start doing something you said you don’t like doing when that reason was acceptable, instead he tries his best to be on the side of the town, but hes trying to hard all too fast as the next message will show. On July 05 2009 15:39 ydg wrote: Btw, 8/8 Mafia alive. (Current killing power = 5) 1/1 Suicide Bomner alive. 1/1 Godfather alive. so, 6 non-Godfather, non-Bomber mafia. With fog... 6 pledges, 1 non, 1 god => 3/2+1/2+1=3 total hits 5/2/1=>5/4+1+1=13/4=3.25=4 total hits 4/3/1=>1+3/2+1=7/2=3.5=4 total hits 3/4/1=>3/4+2+1=15/4=3.75=4 total hits 2/5/1=>1/2+5/2+1=4 total hits 1/6/1=>1/4+3+1=4.25=5 total hits So not bad for reducing KP by 1. I guess we can always figure out a way to get pledges without the voting list check. This bit of math has basically been covered at least once by this point, I will even quote it (check timestamps) On July 03 2009 08:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Pyrr that has to be at least 4 pledges 3 reg pledges + 1 for suicide bomber. (it says one pledge is a suicide bomber ie should count as a pledge). Otherwise the KP of 5 is way to high for day 1. 38 players - 8 red = 30/5= 6 days needed to kill us (provided no lynches used) If we lynch townies incorrectly it drops even lower. So fog should drop the KP of the mafia by 1 or possibly 2 to even it out. It also gives us an idea of how many pledges in the game there are. As for your equation all mafia give .5 cept for gf. so mafia looks to have a starting KP of 4.5 rounded up. so math should be as followed. say 2 pledges total 3.5 - (.5 x 2/2) =3 then 3 + 1(gf kp) mafia has 4 kp. the only way their KP isnt lowered is if there is exactly 1 pledge. So we have a rehashed equation in more depth that tells us basically what we already know (the detail is useless as the result is the same as I had already mentioned). He is rehashing old info, even making it look prettier to slide under the radar. On July 06 2009 02:37 ydg wrote: Actively reading the thread? More like coming in randomly to catch up, and seeing how there's nothing happening and so not saying anything. What, do you want me to say something stupid. like sup, every time I come to the thread? But it's okay, I understand your position, you don't have any legit suspects so you pick on people who you say will be inactive. And if you actually did any research into me, you'll realize that I almost always vote even if I don't post in the thread, and this is construed as inactive how? Whatever. Non-voters: L inertinept clasic kuja rebirth scamp Looking at the high number of abstains, I'd say it's unlikely that either of the two candidates are mafia. On July 06 2009 02:48 ydg wrote: Oh and what the hell do you mean I sat back doing nothing? Go back and read the thread maybe, like on page 1 or 2 maybe and, OH MY GOD I ACTUALLY POSTED QUITE A BIT in fact, I was the one who SUGGESTED we do fog first??? Whatever. Once we get mafia down to 4 kp (not due to weather), if the priest role claims publically and all angels protect the priest, and we vote rain every day, mafia will have no way of killing the priest. And, as the ability travels between people, we get more and more confirmed townies. And if mafia decides to role claim priest, the real priest should speak up, but I guess then there will have to be some trust in deciding who the real priest is. Two posts very close to eachother (time difference obvious in time to write the messages pretty well). Both are directly attributed to me calling him out. Then moving onto another list of people to look at (look they didn’t vote). Then, he wants us to concentrate on finding the priest is, ok that’s not to bad of an idea…..wait, he wants to keep using priests ability to get confirmed townies in the works… Does he not realize that’s useless. Unless we get perfect lynches going for awhile (or assassin hits) mafia can wipe us out in 6 days, we won’t have the time to swap the priest role for that list, as the game wont last that long. On July 06 2009 09:27 ydg wrote: Show nested quote + On July 06 2009 07:48 Lenwe wrote: There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate. “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out. Four Mafia had entered, but only three had returned to the exit. All three of them instantly knew what had happened to Mr Julia and rushed over to the safe room to bring him back home. vivi57 was the last security guard on duty and was know well aware that the place had been hit by the Mafia. He was hiding around a corner, near the safe room, hoping the Mafia would leave him be. However, the instant the 3 Mafia passed the corner he was struck down by a large faintly warm object. He fell to the ground dazed and confused, but could make out 3 fuzzy shapes leaving with some kind of psychedelic object draped over one of their backs. The three Mafia noted that he was still alive and opened fire on vivi57 – the sheer intensity of the bullets severed vivi57’s body in two. Quite a lot is revealed about Mr. Julia. He is new to the mafia (a first time player?). He is a safe cracking expert and, I might be mistaken, but I believe there could be something wrong with his body, considering his reaction to getting burned and him passing out when kicking his victim. As all three other members instantly knew what had happened, I think this is a clue as well. The Mr. Julia thing may be a nod towards the pledge-ness of the mafioso member. Or it may be that Mr. Julia is an inept person who burned himself and then couldn't control his rage. he added very little information to a brief summary of a mafia member, again, appears to be more useful than he is actually being, subtle mafia trick. On July 06 2009 09:33 ydg wrote: Show nested quote + The team of two got to work right away sabotaging the Cheese factory. As one sprinkled fox glove seeds all over the cheese, the tall lanky one kept vigilant in case security was alerted. Elemenope had been alerted to their activities moments ago upon hearing the prolonged roar which had come from the control tower, which then prompted him to look outside his window which overlooked the entire factory. As a security guard for the factory, he knew it was his responsibility to protect the exports at all cost. He launched himself out of the window towards the two saboteurs in hopes to catch them by surprise. However the lanky one was well aware of what was going on. A simple sidestep was enough to have Elemenope come crashing to the floor, immediately the other Mafioso tied him up and strapped a bomb to his chest. No one was able to help Elemenope before the timer ran out. Two men were rummaging around in a room nearby, where exactly he could not tell. The sounds came closer and closer and very soon they were in the same room as him. He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device. Their plan became immediate to him, they were going to blow his palace up with him inside. The two began setting the device while Plexa buried himself in his hiding place. side by side comparisons of the only two people we can pinpoint as the exact same from day 1. Aside from explosions and tall guy, anything else stand out? EDIT: "The two began setting the device" vs "As one sprinkled fox glove seeds all over the cheese, the tall lanky one kept vigilant in case security was alerted." so they both require some sort of preparation or some sort of planning. Might be insignificant. Makes mention to similarities of people that L had already made in his huge post on why to kill Truthbringer. Again he is rehashing information given in an attempt to be “active and useful”. But its not real use, its rehashing information. On July 06 2009 13:29 ydg wrote: @foxglove seeds, if you do a simple google search, you see that they are poisonous, which may either be a byproduct of the script or a key indication of the mafioso. But, unless Plexa is some sort of botanist or whatever that works with poisonous foxglove seeds (I've never heard of them before), how does he get foxglove seeds as a weapon o_O. Remember, Plexa goes (probably) from INFO->CLUE and so we need to see what links TO foxglove seeds and not what foxgloves seeds links to. How is Plexa going to go from "The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all" to foxglove? When someone shows me this connection, I'll vote Araav. But for now, it seems that the people who are adamantly trying to get him lynched are very suspicious. Also, clues tend to NOT be many things from a person's profile, but a few select details (from my experience, Plexa may be doing it differently) that are heavily emphasized. Thus the vx70GTOJudgexv is very weak, imo, because why would he be connected to so many different things? The main points of Mr Julia are probably the noobiness (ineptness->inertinept lol), this weird pulsating thing, and this rage, which, like I said before, may be because of the greenness of the character. All in all, I'd say L's analysis seems the most logical to me. Instantly dismisses Araav, who was a very good link (only person who really links to flowers in this case). The vx70GTOJudgexv clues are weak as he stated and meant to be such, his reaction was needed for behavioural analysis. However, YDG defends both Araav, and Judge almost as soon as he sees my analysis. But wait, he said he likes giving his own analysis way up above as of day 2, but he doesn’t provide any of his own, instead he says L’s is sound and logical. He still doesn’t contribute anything sound, but does give a link to inertinept that’s weak as hell. On July 06 2009 13:31 ydg wrote: Also, isn't it interesting how quick Pyrrh is to support BC's (weak) clue analysis, just as how quick he was to support his platform? and the attack finally begins. He attacks me personally based on someone supporting me instantly, although Pyrr disagrees with my analysis of judge seen On July 06 2009 13:15 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: On the entusman thing: entusman to enterman seems highly unlikely to me. Also, So No Fek has "entusman" in his profile, too. There are even more Entus fans, I'm sure. Also, with the Truthbringer thing. If L's analysis is correct, that's way too many clues for one Day post, especially without Snow in active. Could be that only one is intentional, but I can't imagine Plexa thinking that 5 separate links to the same guy in one post on Day 2 makes sense. I mean I did something like that, but it was a novice game and it was Day 5 or so. Still, more links increase the odds and that's a lot of links. Oh shit, that was before YDG’s attack. As well as pyrr supporting L, but wait, he can’t support us both? In closing people, we have someone who is seemingly being active, while not actively contributing anything useful, and just rehashing information given by other players, but by quoting larger posts, he can appear to be helping. Remember he A) advocated that people opt for snow (he said he voted for it) to begin with, then opted for fog after others were set on it after arguments by L myself and others. B) he stayed relatively useless, then as soon as he was called out, he makes a valid reason of why he was inactive that any player would normally accept, then goes and breaks that reason to post shoddy analysis, and then rehash more information already given C) He wants us to locate the priest. We don’t need to know the priest as the only job they have is hiding till their resurrect is done. And finding the priest out only helps mafia, it means we would have to go rain (giving mafia 5 KP) to stop the bomber, and then they stack kills and kill priest anyway or force meds elsewhere to take out other targets while sniping the priest before his powers swap. Untop of that he wants to use the priest over and over to get a group of confirmed townies when a game won’t last more than 2 full uses most likely. The logic is faulty and surprisingly people overlook it. D) rehashes more information, then as soon as specific people are targeted from analysis, one solid one not, he opts to defend both of them. WHY, judge already had a reason given by me to get a reaction, but YDG gave us even more, why defend someone with a weak connection that no one would lynch him on? To protect one of his own. He also defends Araav who has a good connection to him, and also someone who has been inactive a large chunk of the game. E) attacks me for having a supporter who is someone actually supporting multiple peoples analysis. These are all major things mafia do to sidetrack the town. YDG obviously wants you to suspect me, as killing me off would remove the double lynches from the town. He also wants top KP for mafia, and a priest found. If you need more information than this to kill him, we won’t last long at all. The writer called all people to lynch YDG yesterday. He tried as far as he could to lynch him over Truthbringer. Now that we have a double lynch the writer just refuses to even look at ydg as mafia. Weird isnt it? Even more: ydg seems to be content to follow this guy and last day he gave as a fact that he was getting lynched. I really dont want to think about YDG for now but the writer. Do you know who wrote this? (HINT: YOU DID) A little more: lets look at my clue analysis about ydg: i go to his profile and found this quote: "The only courage that matters is the kind that gets you from one moment to the next." Google search says: Mignon McLaughlin. And on Wiki we found that most of her quotes are ironic or satiric. I say this guy can be the laughter in the park that killed a townie under an ironic death. He laughts even at his own fall from the tree. Not even to note the park->skate: that would be sketchy. Now i look at Plexas clue about the priest: vx70GTOJudgexv`s profile has the word BERSERKER. Google search returns wiki page on the guys full of rage and hate. The priest channeled all his rage and hate to resurrec MBH. (You know this clue pretty well you used it to link judge to Julia almost casually forgetting that the rage and hate clue was for our priest). Now come to me with a straight face like a man and tell me Malongo, your linking to ydg is so stretched for the mafia you linked to over others linked for it.. You cant. Its plain and simple: its exactly the same logic process from Plexa. Note that im not even sure if YDG is mafia or not. However im pretty sure you are not being consistant. You werent consistant after you killed MBH (the plan was to lynch inactives remember?) Yet you came on your own and lynched him without arguing or discussing with anyone. You werent consistant when you called to lynch araav and then switched to ydg right after L came on truthbringer and then forgot about araav without saying a word. You werent consistant when you asked the mystics to check you and contact you inmediately. You werent consistant when you called for a Double Lynch out of nowhere, when there are no sure targets and as you can see for the voting: the town is broken into pieces. 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On July 14 2009 22:15 Scaramanga wrote: Well with angel protection they need three hits to kill meh, if i keep getting medic protection and their kp goes down tonight i cant be killed @ lucas i thought you were trolling, sorry :D And the best part is that mafia cant kill the angel so easily either. Btw just noted that motbob doesnt have a mafia or pledge role in first page so this leads me to believe he was GF. Turns out that theres another GF now if thats right. Plexa: Was that just a mistake? | ||
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On July 16 2009 12:59 iLoveKT wrote: Malongo and Chaoser would really make a very good couple. Always there for each other. How sweet. I didn't really like to post anything in this thread at all to be consistent throughout the game. I was very busy first part and I dont like to look suddenly over active in the latter half of the game. "Last note is the picture in the corner says something that i cant read well but *could* be Julia99. As I said plain instinct here." ROFL you are trying so hard to connect clues to me. Anyway, I'd be happy if I die. Malongo wont be playing mafia anymore and finally I can experience what other mafia vets have experienced, dying and having a little smirk in the face while saying "I knew I was right". To the people I have pm'd. Good Luck. Right about what? You still fail to post anything valuable to the town. And for the clues part, i was the first to say clues fit to you so/so. Add something please you are saying nothing but: i was busy so i didnt post to not look suspicious. Truth to be told i suck at clues but for some reason i dont feel like playing dumb. Its not my game, ive been never inactive: 0 times ive failed to fail. It doesnt matter too much really since this could be my last time | ||
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On July 16 2009 14:06 iLoveKT wrote: from voting: now: first you say if im mafia, youd quit playing mafia. then now if I flip green you would be ban from TL? what is what? and if by chance you mean if I am NOT mafia you will be banned from TL, I would be glad to have someone banned because of me. I dont know why you are going this far to prove youre innocence. lol. maybe because if we get this right then it would be gg? Nope you got it all wrong, im not trying to prove im inocent, im trying to convince other townies to vote you thats all. At first I had doubt about your allignment but your reply was nonsense. So as I want town to win I want to convince people and the bet part is just to make clear how convinced i am. Im member of TL from 2006 i think so as you see this is how much i trust my instinct. :D. | ||
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On July 16 2009 17:11 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Why would you even say that? You had been goin' until you started going way overboard asking for bans that Plexa isn't going to be baited into giving. I think we can all agree that asking for bans is BS, otherwise any innocent player with a real presence here could just put their account on the table and say if I turn red give me a perma ban people would know they're legit. I don't think any greenie could be that fucking sure of KT's role and I know you're not the last mystic so we'll see how your buddy chaoser flips. Scaramanga's vouching for iLoveKT and says his reason for inactivity is legit and the word of the most confirmed innocent is good enough for me. Maybe because im a fucking greenie and I dont have a clue about whats going on this game. If Scaramanga says IloveKT is clean then I just fucked up, and for anyone trying to link clues to me I suggest you to check my vote day 2: If im mafia: Why in the earth would I support L day 2 voting truthbringer when ydg is ahead? | ||
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On July 17 2009 02:37 chaoser wrote: i like how no one's responded to my post. thanks guys. gg. mafia wins Not really sure. Either you got really unlucky on that ydg list or mafia played horribly that lynch. | ||
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On July 17 2009 03:11 Falcynn wrote: Well, I kind of suck with clues, but here's some basic analysis of their voting times. + Show Spoiler + Chaoser abstain (abstained 14 hours once the vote opened, then didn't change after that) Pyrrhuloxia Malongo Not voted yet Lenwe Abstain Chaoser Its not like it does matter too much now. If chaoser isnt mafia we are screwed anyways. | ||
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On July 17 2009 04:36 chaoser wrote: sorry, i was just so upset about this stupid vote, if i'm going to die i want to die right, with people arguing for why i should die. this jsut seems so stupid. every other lynch, right or wrong people talked about clue links and such but for me there's none of that, it's just blindly voting. i'll put what i said before here though i doubt it'll matter much. "i'm so fucking upset over people like lenwe, clasic, and goodwill who voted without saying anything." i changed it cause in the end this day is going to end, no one's going to say shit and i'mma die green. and so i give up. nothing i say means anything. so gg. The problem is that you got caught on that list man. Scaramanga says 1 of these is mafia: Malongo, Chaoser, Lenwe (note that 1 is pledge). Lenwe hasnt done much, i suck at this and you got caught with the shitload of mafia voting ydg vs truthbringer. Im pretty sure tomorrow its me or Lenwe if you flip green. (HINT IM A GREEN MOROOOON). On the other side of the road we have HOE, Goodwill, IloveTK and Clasic that have done 0. Nothing, none, no word from them. I tried getting one almost at pure random skill and guess what: I got a fucking protegee. I cant do more sorry guys. | ||
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On July 17 2009 08:48 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Oh I get it, we could have like Malongo vote for one weather and then no one else vote for any weather and see what happened. But if he's red, especially GF, that's an extra KP for day and could mean the difference between win or loss for us, especially if we end up with no weather or a weather we can't use, which is most of them. In any case, this plan means we have to potentially waste our lynch and wait an extra day to see if our top suspect can change weather or not. Wrong. First of all weather is almost useless now for us: Theres 1 mafia, 1 pledge and 1 GF alive (from foolishness math i think dont remember well). So sunny is idiot, fog gives us nothing mafia kp will be always 2 even if we lynch GF (see next point) we dont have angels. The only weather that has value for us is snow (LOL). If we lynch GF then other mafia takes the rol so mafia KP will be always 2 until theres only one mafia. Second I retire what i said about Lenwe, he can be townie for now because i assumed chaoser was GF (being chaoser GF meant theres one pledge between me and Lenwe but chaoser himself was the pledge). So the only thing I can do to prove myself 100% green is to ask town to not vote weather for the day and I vote snow. If the weather doesnt turn snow im mafia plain and simple. Unfortunately that means other townies would want to prove themself townies as well and im the main suspect now. Man im feeling so stupid now should have done this today. | ||
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On July 17 2009 09:15 Falcynn wrote: Actually, I'm pretty sure God Father's dead completely if we lynch him. The role gets passed on only if the assassin killed him. Right missread that. Mmmm. Shit. Seems like im going to be the cause of the lose. | ||
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On July 17 2009 09:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Maybe you spread yours out because you are GF? Also, you could say the same thing about anyone voting for TruthBringer, its like the only vote of yours that has ended up the right way. If we go by what you're saying, that every mafia would have changed their vote to ydg, we'd have to lynch ilovekt and falcynn, the remaining two ydg voters. Yet iLoveKT led the charge against chaoser and I'd bet falcynn is innocent, too. Yeah i see your point. Sadly you are playing with something i dont manage: I dont know who is in contact with Scaramanga and the Mystic. I dont know who is the mystic. I dont know who was rolechecked by the mystic. And last this was not the best move for the GF to come up to lynch BC, to call first to lynch faronel (based on a very likely clue) and last if im the godfather believe me: I wouldnt have come to "defend" chaoser like you try to put me (in fact i never said he wasnt mafia i said his clues were garbage). Put yourself in the position, why to call to lynch ilovekt like that over chaoser? No im not mafia. Just read my posts, read all mafia posts and you will see that theres 0 chance im mafia. | ||
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On July 17 2009 20:31 Ace wrote: its because the town has such great abilities the mafia have a hard time killing everyone v_v Annoying. I thought the forum was going to be private exaclty to prevent this. Get out. | ||
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Before the day comes im almost sure mafia will hit 2 people from the 10 voting yesterday, so while we wait im proposing this method to a) Force mafia to lie b) Get something extra from our weather voting. First thing first: Weather is useless besides snow at this point. This method fails to be 100% town win condition because its dependant on activity and there are 3 players inactive right now: RoL, BWdero, Clasic. For you three please if you are townie dont vote weather as you are going to harm the town if you do. Second: this is absolutely inocuous for the town because if we lose the snow (double clues yay!) we get a 1/3 mafia checklist or a group of confirmed townies. How? simply tomorrow when you vote for weather post your weather choice in this thread and the exact time you sent your pm to Plexa as soon as you pmd the vote. Theres only 3 conditions:
As you see im not asking too much: just post you weather vote, time, and to put the votes in this order. Worst case scenario we will get snow anyways. Please if we still have blues alive dont vote weather and wait until i make some arrangments at this idea. All this is based in the assumption that we will lose the blues tonight. Some numbers: There will be 8 people alive (plus 3 inactives). From the 8 any number up to 3 can be mafia (there can be n mafia hidding in the inactives). The votes are arranged so if everyone not inactive post his vote here it will be - 2 sunny - 3 snow - 3 rain Outcomes:
Sooo what do you think people? Who is going to refuse? I repeat that RoL, BWdero and Clasic please dont vote for weather. I took you 3 because 1 is banned (Clasic) one is busy (RoL) and the other didnt vote last lynch (BWdero). If you still need to vote then vote fog. (Even if they 3 vote fog theres a lot of info for us). Also note that this is independant of your lynch vote. | ||
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On July 18 2009 13:31 HeavOnEarth wrote: To: Plexa [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: weather Date: 7/18/09 13:35 sunny like that? Exactly. | ||
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To: Plexa [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Mafia Date: 7/18/09 13:47 Hi my vote for next day weather is sunny. Please confirm if it is valid. Please people wait until post comes since we need to confirm if hoes vote and mine were valid or not. | ||
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On July 19 2009 08:04 motbob wrote: This lull in the action is a great time for me to advertise my new mafia game! This man knows his business. | ||
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On July 19 2009 11:03 Plexa wrote: where the hell is everyone? sure there are only 11 of you but this is a rather anticlimatic way to end it all =/ Please Plexa put a deadline time. Mafia please come end this like a man, or mafia. | ||
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Since we have like 0 activity levels, the mystic is still alive (and we dont want to make it obvious although i think he should come foward asap because we are fucked but it doesnt matter because im the guy with less credibility in this whole game and not even my mother believes me) and Lenwe already voted SNOW then Malongos Ghetto checklist morphed into: To: Plexa [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Mafia weather Date: 7/19/09 12:08 Hi i vote snow for weather. Thanks. Now there are 2 people in Snow. We need that whoever comes and vote (and we cant force anyone but the mystic can lie voting in the pattern or stay away if he wants.) that townies come in 2s voting the same weather that is not snow. Then we will have 2 snow, 2 sunny, 2 rain. If weather is not snow i just fucked myself and Lenwe is mafia. If weather is snow we have 2 confirmed townies: Lenwe and Malongo. Thats all. Next two voters go sunny, then 2 on rain and last 2 on fog if theres enough people. And post time and weather. If you vote snow you are mafia because you are fucking my plan, im not kidding here. | ||
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We need 2 guys on Sunny, then 2 guys on rain and if there are more that vote fog. Mystic feel free to fake your vote, it wont matter unless Lenwe is mafia. Post your pm here people. | ||
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On July 19 2009 12:24 Plexa wrote: Voting will end at 00:00 KST Even if there are only two votes ]: Well done. This was a good game it doesnt deserve this end. | ||
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On July 19 2009 12:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: we already have 1 supposed vote on sunny so if we had 2 more we would end up with sunny instead of snow No There are 0 votes on sunny Plexa didnt confirm those votes. If hoe wants to vote weather he has to do it again. | ||
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On July 19 2009 12:57 Plexa wrote: Votes from last night count, but im not going to pm back to confirm Thanks. Well 1 more in sunny then 2 in rain. | ||
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On July 20 2009 08:01 Lenwe wrote: I am hoping the mystic or the new set of clues is gonna save me, because if your plan indeed worked then Malongo is mafia (although I have a hard time linking any clue's to him). I am townie, but I have no other way to prove it besides the fact that plans thought up by other 'supposed ' townies still alive haven't really worked for us lately. Here's to hoping the mystic or the day post will save me. On the other side there are a lot of clues pointing to the image in your profile: failing to note someone is a recurring theme (the emperor hides thinking he is unnoted, day 2 the last guard hides trying to get unnoted and ohers). I dont know if you just buffered time to mafia but you are 100% not townie because i voted snow yesterday. | ||
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On July 20 2009 08:20 Lenwe wrote: You would know I am not, because I am not currently sitting in your IRC channel planning how to get the town to vote of one of the few remaining townies. Just let things there. The good thing is that you are not pledge you are either mafia or godfather because mystic sent a list with the 3 of us and chaoser was the pledge so.... we have a good shot at the gf. | ||
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[Double post] Probably stretching this, but trying to prove this. First of, we don't know if HoE is not lying about his vote, so I hope the mystic isn't trusting him just yet (but he/she has played wisely so far). Malongo's defending of him is strange if Malongo does indeed turn out to be mafia though. Malongo lying and voting sunny instead of snow would screw me over as well ofcourse. [quote]Sunny --- Heavonearth and then Snowy --- Malongo Lenwe[/quote See how Malongo voting Sunny screws me over as well and could even be a ploy of two mafia members playing together. As for clue's linking towards Malongo. His name is a coffee brand but I don't find links towards that. However when I look at his [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/malongo]blog[/url] you will see his first blog is about is a new member at this site. This could point towards the new mafia member in one of the earlier posts. The intricate (Spelling?) pattern carved on of the mafia members belly's could point towards his triangle (but also towards HeavOnEarth's profile, which mentions a pattern). I'll wait for the day post now and try to prove my innocence.[/QUOTE] The bolded part just made my day. First of all I didnt vote sunny I voted snow, posted in the thread. And on the other side is 2 mafia ploy? How in the hell can be a mafia ploy if 1 of the voters voted sunny and the weather went sunny. Man this is so stupid. HOE is confirmed townie. | ||
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On July 20 2009 08:32 Lenwe wrote: The sad thing is, with activity the way it is you don't even have to push all this because if all three remaining mafia members (that includes you btw) vote for me I will be dead anyway. So it's pretty much game unless town suddenly springs to live and comes to its senses and realizes that: a. Your plan failed horribly (due to inactivity). b. You can lie about your vote just as easy as I can, but I am not doing that. Only good thing that comes from killing me is the fact that the mystic will live another day. And I love how you went from 'he could be mystic' one page back, to 'he is 100% mafia' now. Time for bed. Dude you just fucked up yourself royaly. We traded snow for a mafia (for those who still dont believe in my allignment a 50% list) and a confirmed townie. What else can I say. | ||
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On July 20 2009 12:49 HeavOnEarth wrote: if no other townie responds within 12 hours we can call it a game(?) im sure the dead people would like to comment on the travesty Im not giving up now that we got a mafia, NEVER. Plus im not losing a game because a group of guys decided that they didnt catch a blue rol so its not fun. HINT: IM NOT LEAVING MY TOWN FUCKERS! I can be the worst player ever but not a pussy. I dont care about the comments as you noticed. | ||
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On July 20 2009 14:02 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: fog can't help us. There is a godfather and best case scenario for fog is that the two other mafia left are pledges. So KP right now is 2: 1 + .5 + .5 If we kill the gf today, KP is down to 1, with fog, kp is down to .5 which is rounded up to 1. So fog does nothing. If we kill a pledge today, KP is down to 1.5, rounded up to 2. With fog, KP is 1.25, rounded up to 2. If we don't kill a mafia today, KP is 2, with fog it might go down to 1.5, which is rounded back up to 2. Fog is useless now. Why are you trying to look clueless now someone did the math back in the thread there (storrzerg or foolishness) theres 1 gf, 1 pledge, 1 mafia alive. Scaramanga said that there was 1 pledge between malongo, chaoser and lenwe. Chaoser turned pledge. I now im townie. Lenwe is mafia or gf. | ||
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"The Mafia knew that Scaramanga would be no pushover when it came to murdering him, after all he was a Austrian fitness buff." since Scaramanga doesnt seems to be Austrian but Australian. Unless of course Plexa comes here and tell that it was a typo. And Ilovekt because thats the only guy that i can connect to that. (he was ilovektf before). | ||
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On July 20 2009 17:36 iLoveKT wrote: lol what connection does it have with me? haha. personally I found that funny. i dont know man its just that i cant find something "good" in the clues. I doubt the mystic will hear me anyways :/ | ||
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-We lynch Lenwe today 5v2 -They kill 3v2 -Mystic comes foward we kill Falcynn 3v1 -They kill 2v1 -Even if the last 2 morons fail the lynch its 1v1 LOL! And the 2 last people should get a fucking hint about how to use the weather to force a check. | ||
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On July 21 2009 02:09 Falcynn wrote: hmmmm...just wondering, if somehow it does get to 1v1, would it then be decided by the first person to post in the voting thread? Good to see you :/ if its 1v1 its mafia win since the last mafia kills in the night my mistake. However you are hinting that my solution is quite likely. Thanks for confirming my hipothesis. | ||
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On July 21 2009 02:07 Lenwe wrote: Woo, just reading through this thread while I searched for Malongo made me realize how many confirmed townies have called him out on his BS. He has also been pushing town lynches for quite some time (BC, Faronel, YDG, Bockit). The case presented is that one of us is lying and we can both have clue's pointing towards us (but you can find clue's for everyone alive), so it is a question who the town is going to believe. I've been mostly silent in this game and what clue analyzis I posted turned out to be pretty much completely false, I'm falling for all the false clue's and I am unable to pick out the right ones. However, I admit that and I have never been pushing for a lynch. I posted a BWDero analyzis but I was far from certain then, in fact I was so uncertain I didn't even vote for him. Malongo however, who had no reason to believe me (I had been proven wrong before) and who had already said he didn't trust me immediately jumped on that and another townie was killed. That seems pretty unconsistant behaviour. Also, Malongo has been pushing 4 lynches (I believe) with just as much conviction as my one and all 4 of them turned out to be false. I hope town realizes that before it is too late. Get the fuck out my town mafia. You and your friends are "almost" winning this game by staying silent and trying to lay low. Bastards now you are coming foward next to Falcynn dont you? Nothing pisses me off more than this, obviously rebirthoflegend and clasic can win by playing the "token". If the town doesnt realize you are mafia then we deserve to lose. One post is enough to prove logically you are mafia (next one). | ||
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On July 20 2009 08:14 Lenwe wrote: [Double post] He hasnt added shit to the game and now that someone calls him out of being in a 50% list he 3 postes Probably stretching this, but trying to prove this. First of, we don't know if HoE is not lying about his vote, so I hope the mystic isn't trusting him just yet (but he/she has played wisely so far). Malongo's defending of him is strange if Malongo does indeed turn out to be mafia though. Malongo lying and voting sunny instead of snow would screw me over as well ofcourse. This is the most nonsense: HoE cant be lying about his vote, you trying to accuse him is stupid he voted sunny. Second: Why in hell would i fuck a townie voting sunny? hey! maybe if im mafia... wait a minute if im mafia i cant vote weather... idiot. I never defended HOE. The voting went 2v1 for snow with me and lenwe on snow. Sunny won. Me or Lenwe are mafia. Why would I defend HOE? See how Malongo voting Sunny screws me over as well and could even be a ploy of two mafia members playing together. This is the most revealing. This is not a mafia ploy. HOE hasnt even talked about me. And he is by all means 100% townie As for clue's linking towards Malongo. His name is a coffee brand but I don't find links towards that. However when I look at his blog you will see his first blog is about is a new member at this site. This could point towards the new mafia member in one of the earlier posts. The intricate (Spelling?) pattern carved on of the mafia members belly's could point towards his triangle (but also towards HeavOnEarth's profile, which mentions a pattern). This is the last thing. Take this in mind when you choose your vote townie. Im not revealing much more because i said almost everything about the clues about Lenwe. After the next day you will see something valuable here I'll wait for the day post now and try to prove my innocence. Thats the point. How are you going to prove your innocence? The only thing you have is that I can be mafia. I agree. I havent shown myself as townie because we both should be townies if you had a vote. Guess what: you didnt. You screwed because I changed my vote from sunny to snow. And you will try to prove your innocence, because you know you are not. Townies have been screaming they are townies all game. | ||
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On July 21 2009 02:07 Lenwe wrote: Woo, just reading through this thread while I searched for Malongo made me realize how many confirmed townies have called him out on his BS. He has also been pushing town lynches for quite some time (BC, Faronel, YDG, Bockit). This is a partial lie. Truth I called to lynch BC, but I was not the only townie to believe it: Bockit and others too. I called to lynch Faronel based on clues: a lot of townies too and the clues were convincing (citing infundibulum: "i was pretty sure we had a mafia"). I never EVER called to lynch ydg. I said clues fit Bockit well too. I never EVER called to lynch Bockit. The case presented is that one of us is lying and we can both have clue's pointing towards us (but you can find clue's for everyone alive), so it is a question who the town is going to believe. This is again partially a lie. Show me your clues please. However take this into note: IM the one responsible of having this. I CHOSE to put me on snow when i could have been on Sunny and the weather should have been sunny and nothing else happens. And last word about this: Now, just now you realize that its who is the town going to believe? Man i was the one pushing to get the ghetto lists working, im the one playing this game (and note that i have been alone all game making sick wrong calls), when the thread comes dead whos the guy that keeps posting? if i was mafia i would have won 2 days ago, and believe me: i wouldnt have never ever called to lynch BC with a double vote like that. I've been mostly silent in this game and what clue analyzis I posted turned out to be pretty much completely false, I'm falling for all the false clue's and I am unable to pick out the right ones. However, I admit that and I have never been pushing for a lynch. I posted a BWDero analyzis but I was far from certain then, in fact I was so uncertain I didn't even vote for him. Malongo however, who had no reason to believe me (I had been proven wrong before) and who had already said he didn't trust me immediately jumped on that and another townie was killed. That seems pretty unconsistant behaviour. Also, Malongo has been pushing 4 lynches (I believe) with just as much conviction as my one and all 4 of them turned out to be false. I hope town realizes that before it is too late. Thats the thing. Exactly thats why you are mafia at the eyes of any guy reading the thread (and to me you are mafia because im townie). IM the one pushing to make something happens in this game with actually nothing solid. IM the one trying to WIN the game for the town. The only thing you have done is to propose 2/3 clues and leave them there and the rest to others. This is exactly what mafia has done all game. Townies: read the posts from (confirmed) mafia one by one. Read my posts. Are my posts mafia? Nope, my posts are from a guy trying to win the game. | ||
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On July 21 2009 03:20 Lenwe wrote: Is that the best you can come up with to logically prove I am mafia. A mistake I already admitted to and a bit of clue analyzis of mine, where I already admitted clue's could be found that link towards everyone. That's a bit weak even for your standards. I won't repeat myself and hope everyone reads my previous post seriously and wonders if they should trust you again after you failed them so many times already. (Btw, the knack for working out combinations mentioned on one of the early days could point towards your math problem that you worked out in your blog.) Just waiting for the day to come and crack yourself with clues then. | ||
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On July 21 2009 03:35 Lenwe wrote: Your plan is extremely flawed though. The mafia know where their members have placed their votes so they know where to substracts their votes. The plan means that the blue (if he is an active poster) would have to lie about his vote as well. That means the town knows less than the mafia if your plan had worked. Unfortunately for you, your plan didn't work due to epic inactivity levels. Three people followed your plan, including yourself. We had 2 votes for sunny (HoE and you) and 1 for snow (me) as according to your plan. When inactivity hit this hurt you because one townie coming in at the last moment would screw your plan. He would vote snow and we would get snow. This would leave the town with two confirmed innocents and prove either you or HoE is mafia (and since we had far more suspicioun towards you you would have probably been lynched). We know have the same situation, but with only one confirmed innocent (better for the mafia right?). So, at the last moment you changed your vote, completely disregarding your previous plan. This turn does not hurt the mafia because it still leaves the town with a 1:1 choice of who is mafia and who is not, but only gives the town one confirmed townie, which is better than two for the mafia (and pust you up against me who has been considered a mafia member before, thus giving you a better chance to save yourself for one day longer). You realize you will have to take the hit now anyway, so decided to push the town for my lynch to save you for one more day, realizing that when I turn green you will be next. Please stop. So if im mafia thinking that 1 more guy can come i move to snow. No man: IF IM MAFIA IM NOT PROPOSING SHIT ABOUT THIS. You screwed because pyrrhuloxia had the balls to refuse to vote, if one more townie should have voted he had to vote sunny I made it clear read the thread. CRYSTAL CLEAR. If I was mafia knowing you are inocent and HOE too I would have left my vote on sunny. If another guys comes foward voting snow i would have changed my vote (if im mafia). Why do i have to actually work to win this game if im mafia. Please... again im the one trying to win the game for the town. Im the one forcing this extralist. Is that a mafia move? What have you done for the town? What would happen if I wouldnt have made this stupidity? NOTHING GAME OVER, just as Scaramanga is claiming mafia wins. I dont, i refuse to lose if i have the chance to win. (Falcynn is mafia too btw. But first Lenwe all at his given time). | ||
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On July 21 2009 06:48 Falcynn wrote: Damn it, why did I have to die like that? Could've given a bit more of a fight, but no, I had to be killed by some punk kid who got a lucky jump Edit: anyways, I hope now my play-style this game makes some sense. I still probably played badly, but hopefully it still seems justified somewhat. Serves you right for not claiming one day back. God- mafia knew you were mystic but not townies =/. | ||
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On July 21 2009 15:32 Ace wrote: Honestly though Plexa, I would have thought BC was mafia also. Lynching MBH was like a huge "I'm mafia suck my dick" move of the game. I can understand why Bockit did it. OMG please someone at least has to believe this. BC: hey im just going on other plan because i want. WTF. Thats why i came insta all in against him. And note that the first fucktard was me ok stupidity where it belongs. Btw Plexa i want to check that weather list please. Congratulations mafia you had the game 2 days ago. | ||
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On July 21 2009 16:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I made some bad plays, but your final 3 mafia list was horrible. You didnt have 1 in the group of 3. None of you thought of the move logically, Maybe I would have been better off killing L/pyrr/fishball or the like, ie someone who could lead down as well. But on the off chance one of L/pyrr/mbh/fishball was red or any other bigname, mbh scares me the most. Just as if qatol or ver were in the game i would hit one of them over mbh as they both scare me more than mbh and can manipulate the game just as well. Yes, I will admit I could have used the plan on someone else, but in this game mbh, if revived, would have enough information hopefully to completely rape the mafia, almost autowinning the game. Not too sure about that and if you are going to dependant on MBH every game please stop appearing in ALL the mayor lists. I better play RPS or roll a dice seeing if mbh turns red, green or blue. I try my best. Always. Im not playing a game following some guy because he is good, sorry i prefer 100% be the loser crazy guy. And for leader I wanted L. I voted L. You won the office. You were the leader. Trying to look for another player to take the lead just made you suspicious. Next time you want the office be the leader or let others take it. | ||
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On July 21 2009 17:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I don't see why you are all bashing BC's idea so hard. Lynching MBH has a lot of pros and cons. It was just a matter of weighing them. IF the town managed to get even a SINGLE protect on Judge we would of lost instantly. Yes his plan had flaws, but all plans have their flaws. His benefits meant an auto win, and if he didn't kill MBH, I guarantee we would have. We all knew he was a threat and we were panicking about how to hit to make sure he didn't get rezzed. We caught the rage/berserk hint and got Judge, we had about 4 other candidates as well? The plan has its pros and cons, a bad bit of luck combined with mafia skill and town ineptitude resulted in the cons far exceeding the pros. I thought you were on vacation . First i didnt found the plan "that" suspicious, i found it bad, but not automatically mafia-like. It was the conception: first a supposed list of people where to take a lynch, then from a moment to other: hey change of plans!!. That is mafia like. Nobody, absolutely nobody had a word about the plan or why suddenly BC changes the direction. This wasnt a primary plan, it just poped from BC. Should this had been in the BCs to do list I would have told imo bad plan. The way it was played absolutely mafia like. And its not because its BC, anyone that changes plans at the last moment without caring a shit about the office rol is calling to get lynched. | ||
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On July 21 2009 18:10 Ver wrote: I think the biggest argument for killing MBH early is that if he is mafia he is virtually guaranteed to kill the priest by day 2 and the priest is such a broken role that it can singlehandedly win the game. Furthermore MBH is really the only superstrong behavior analyst in the game, so if he is out of the picture you don't have to worry about the priest getting sniped early. There were definitely better plans available to abuse the priest further (or hell just lynch a mafia), but BC's was okay. It's like a DT drop PvT, if it works you auto win, if not you still have a solid shot at victory. As it stood mafia ended up getting priest by clues which thwarted everything, but it's impossible to predict that the priest would end up having obvious clues to them the day before. Oh one other thing. Number one rule of behavior analysis: Kill the guy trying to seem not suspicious, not the guy who makes himself suspicious on his own. Town early on always goes for the guys who look guilty but are really innocent while the mafia hides in the background. It's really really easy to fall victim to; I still have trouble avoiding the lure of the easy target. If I'm mafia I won't want to draw attention to myself by coin flipping my lynch target because I'm too tired/sick to think. Similarly, if BC was mafia he would make it his plan from the start to avoid drawing any unnecessary attention instead of doing a last minute switch. But either way BC should never have died because he controlled the double lynch. I can buy your argument about not lynching the guys too suspicious at the beggining up to certain level but it fails to apply on the guy in the lead. I mean under this assumption we shouldnt have killed Qatol when he was mafia mayor. The fact is that this fail olympically to apply to mayors/kings/emperors w.e. because once mafia takes the leader place what he wants the most is to create as much chaos as he can before getting lynched (and in fact he wants to get lynched because that means more chaos). Never, not even once a mafia mayor has tried to be in alive for more than 4 days. | ||
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On July 21 2009 18:37 Ver wrote: You're looking at it the wrong way and/or I explained it poorly. Qatol was doing his best to appear as an ordinary townie. He made the medic lists, tried to organize 'traps' to bait the mafia, and made logical sounding posts. On the other hand you had Quickstriker, inertinept, Versatile, and Ace, who all made themselves suspicious on their own. Of course there were other aspects to that game but it was a great example of this principle. Then just look at last game; both Ace and I made ourselves extremely suspicious on our own and we both wanted to kill each other because of it, yet the real mafia were the ones posting in ways to avoid getting noticed. I'm not saying the innocents played correctly (indeed part of their goal is to communicate their innocence) but this is a really common pattern that is rarely broken. Yeah i think i can understand your point: mafia doesnt want to be in the eye at anytime of the game and less at the start. On the other side there are always uncooperative townies that try hard to look suspicious or make weird moves. However if theres one guy that should be trying (even more than mafia if he is townie) not to look suspicious in any posible way is the mayor. The mayor is the guy that will stay alive longer, the guy that proposed a plan of action and the guy that has a known power. After reviewing this game and last game I dont regret the lynchs for a moment. Thats why I was so shocked after BC. Im not asking the guy in charge to pull a miracle first lynch or come with the most impressive one post analysis for every player or first day clue analysis. I just ask him to be consequent: dont make fancy moves, dont change the plan at last moment, dont make like you are fishing, because that make the guys with no power doubt. Look at the "best" mayor we had: sog. Sure he was lucky with a dt role, first day lynch and a first day rolecheck. But look at his posting too: "dont roleclaim to me", "dont vote with be blindly", "you know what? im going to abstain for now because i dont want to create bandwagon", "im going to be 100% transparent". The central point here is that every small doubt you can add to a player's real intentions in the game is multiplied x10 when we talk about the leader: he "is" the voice, he "is" the one pulling the strings publicly or the one you can at least "suspect" has a blue role or knows something you dont for the good of the town. I agree that my logic can be not a general rule or may be extremately flawed, however the fact that 3 times the mayor was lynched tells me it has a degree of logic to be that way, maybe it is not 100% logic but empiric in last instance. Look at Bockit, I think L would have lynched BC too. Look at last game L, Ace and who knows how many more: we were actually convinced enough to lynch the leaders because they were simply not solid, they had a small amount of doubt on them even with other townies making stupid moves or more suspicious moves. As I said to Qatol when he was mafia mayor: you dont fish or do weird moves as mayor: that just create chaos and inestability when you are actualy the face of stability, if you do that you are asking yourself to get lynched | ||
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On July 21 2009 21:37 Ace wrote: Malongo how do you make such good posts and analysis but always have weird decisions in game? Cause ima crazy townie. | ||
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