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posting to confirm i got my role pm.
yeah fog is far and away the best option for day 1. Depending on how the clues look, I can see snow working for day 2. The important thing about being able to list check is it gives us more information to pick from for our double lynches. I don't want to be working largely off clues/behavior if the oppurtunity for list checking exists.
e: spelling
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On July 03 2009 16:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2009 16:29 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: posting to confirm i got my role pm.
yeah fog is far and away the best option for day 1. Depending on how the clues look, I can see snow working for day 2. The important thing about being able to list check is it gives us more information to pick from for our double lynches. I don't want to be working largely off clues/behavior if the oppurtunity for list checking exists.
e: spelling List check only works in ideal conditions like A) town being smart and breaking off into vote lists on top suspects and checking them seperately B) Dt's being competent and then knowing who to supply info with C) taking an enormous amount of time to pin pledges. For now, reducing their kp is a higher priority. After day 1 if we don't fog, we should move into rain. But depends on how many pledges there are, and if we succesfully first lynch one.
B is the only real hurdle. And it is a big one, I acknowledge that. When we can provide the town 2-3 suspects to vote for, it's not hard to split the voters into groups. Just do it alphabetically. Organizing a list check clearly benefits the town - and therefore any pledges must play along and vote for the designated person, lest they appear suspicious by not voting/voting incorrectly etc. I don't know if this takes an enormous amount of time... maybe 1-2 days to see results?
That said the only way I would go with snow on Day 2 is if the clue writing is very favorable. Otherwise fog/rain are superior choices.
Plexa: i may have missed this, but can the emperor be checked by the mystic's ability, or will he just be revealed as "emperor"?
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On July 04 2009 01:20 redtooth wrote: All will be revealed in due time my friend. There was a reason why I didn't explain myself.
... And it's a better reason than reducing mafia kp night 1 by voting for foggy? Praytell, redtooth, what trickery is this?
On a sidenote i wish this is how the weather was like in real life. Don't want to go to school today? Vote snow!!
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On July 04 2009 01:54 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2009 01:48 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: ... And it's a better reason than reducing mafia kp night 1 by voting for foggy? Praytell, redtooth, what trickery is this?
On a sidenote i wish this is how the weather was like in real life. Don't want to go to school today? Vote snow!! Even if you were an assassin, using a kill the first night when there's not as much information to go around is risky. Assassins are better off waiting until we can pin down for sure suspects. Right now fog is probably the best option, go read through Pyrry's and BC's posts as they have the best reasoning.
I know fog is our best choice -- which is why I'm skeptical of redtooth's idea here.
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Revealing L's alignment would have given us information about the voter pattern though
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@BC: That is true. It seemed to me there were more abstainers this election than usual.
The thing is I thought it was pretty obvious MBH was innocent after his election bid. Literally nobody voted for him. Whenever a mafia candidate runs, they always get votes. Every time.
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The big problem with this is our medics have to now focus on protecting the priest, which leaves other players open to get fucked and die. Actually, they don't HAVE to, but people are posting as if it's the only option. This pretty much forces us into voting Rain for Night 2, because if we vote Fog we run the risk of mafia figuring out who the priest is and bombing him, taking out the medics in the process. So even though Fog is sort like a pseudo-medic, we are forced into voting Rain, which lets the mafia use their kp to its maximum extent.
edited some formatting
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On July 07 2009 00:50 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2009 14:59 HeavOnEarth wrote:so like, L's posts are getting buried under a lot of shit. You need to change that "shit" to "good analysis", then move the shit in between "L's" and "posts", then change sad face to happy face. All better!
speaking of shit posts
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On July 06 2009 23:42 StorZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2009 23:36 ecomania wrote:On July 06 2009 22:19 StorZerg wrote:been a bit inactive in this game So when MBH gets revived, shouldn't the angles protect him so that he can revive someone? other wise, once he gets up and "takes over" leadership. he can just be killed off, and the reviving process will be lost correct? Afaik not MBH but a random player will be designated to become the next priest. If we don't want the suicide bomber to blow MBH up together with the angels protecting him we would have to vote for rain after MBH has been revived. but it won't be a mafia member correct? also is it a big chance the mafia will try their hardest to get MBH killed again, so that we the townies are left with no one to trust again?
First question: yes, it will be a radom townie. like how he picks bodyguards.
Second question: probably. MBH is a good player, everyone knows that. Whether the mafia want to kill him or not will be dependent on the game state when he is alive. If both medics are alive they might predict MBH will be covered and not worth hitting (especially if we vote rain). If we lose our medics before he is rezzed, which is very possible, then of course they will it him and essentially nullify 3 days of work - but think of it as basically -1 kp, since MBH was already dead at one point. Since MBH is confirmed innocent if he gets rezzed, when the mafia kills him we gain no new information (other than a clue).
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Also, I do not think ydg's posts are deliberately misleading at all, but rather reflect someone simply changing his mind as he learns more about the game.
Some of your analysis is off as well BC. You need to read posts in the context of the thread, not in a vacuum. For example ydg goes "if the priest roleclaims publicaly, once we have the mafia down to 4 kp, put all angels on him and vote rain every day, mafia can never kill the priest."
You takes this and reply with "Ydg wants us to concentrate on finding out who the priest is."
This seems to me like a deliberate twisting of his words - ydg posted a possible plan of action in the case of the priest publically revealing himself - not a plan to figure out the priest, which could only be done through clues. It's a stupid plan and obviously not worth the effort, but maybe that is why absolutely nobody replied to it!
The entirety of your post is like this. I'm not going to discuss every piece of it. It really gives off the impression that you are grasping at straws here, rather than forming an insightful analysis of someone's postings.
My advice applies to everyone: READ POSTS IN THE CONTEXT OF THE THREAD, NOT IN A VACUUM
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On July 07 2009 01:24 StorZerg wrote:Thanks by medics do you mean angles?
yeah. i'm using the terminology from the old mafia games out of habit
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On July 07 2009 05:26 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 01:37 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Also, I do not think ydg's posts are deliberately misleading at all, but rather reflect someone simply changing his mind as he learns more about the game.
Some of your analysis is off as well BC. You need to read posts in the context of the thread, not in a vacuum. For example ydg goes "if the priest roleclaims publicaly, once we have the mafia down to 4 kp, put all angels on him and vote rain every day, mafia can never kill the priest."
You takes this and reply with "Ydg wants us to concentrate on finding out who the priest is."
This seems to me like a deliberate twisting of his words - ydg posted a possible plan of action in the case of the priest publically revealing himself - not a plan to figure out the priest, which could only be done through clues. It's a stupid plan and obviously not worth the effort, but maybe that is why absolutely nobody replied to it!
The entirety of your post is like this. I'm not going to discuss every piece of it. It really gives off the impression that you are grasping at straws here, rather than forming an insightful analysis of someone's postings.
My advice applies to everyone: READ POSTS IN THE CONTEXT OF THE THREAD, NOT IN A VACUUM iNfuNdiBuLuM, you have abstained from voting thus far. If you really think ydg is innocent, why have you not taken any direct action against it? The vote (at least right now) is close and you have yet to accuse anyone else or suggest that someone else be lynched instead of ydg.
I abstained last night because I hadn't read the thread. After reading it, not a whole lot of the clue analysis had brought up any links I felt were particularly strong. Maybe truthbringer. Maybe the pulsating colorful wound link to iLoveKT's picture. But that's about it. I'll vote when I feel like it.
Why do I have to suggest an alternative? Being unsatisfied with the current options does not mean I have to put forth new ones, especially if I can't find anything worthwhile (I have looked).
That being said, the summary of your post here reads, "We should not listen to BC, but I could care less who dies". It seems to me you are against BC, not against ydg being lynched.
No, that is not what I said in my post. I said BC had taken some of ydg's posts and misrepresented them. I want to make sure others reading the thread are aware of this. I didn't say anything about lynching someone else, but that doesn't mean I "don't care who dies."
edit: fixed tags
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And yes, at this point I think ydg is innocent. I would prefer not lynch him. If he does get lynched, his alignment will play a large part in how we think about BC. Are we willing to give up a day just for that, when he can be rolechecked?
Also, I take it we are not double lynching today? BC hasn't said anything about that I don't think. Personally I don't think we have any strong enough suspects to o a double lynch. If we do it next day, we can create 2 lists to be checked as long as Fog isn't voted in.
Which leads me to my next: I haven't seen many people talking about what weather they are voting in. I am voting in rain - last thing I want to see is the priest getting kamikaze'd. It's a close call between rain and fog though, because there's no guarantee the mafia or the medics will figure out who the priest is, and we can gamble that and shave off a kp. Hm. Rain seems safer because it prevents the worst case scenario.
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On July 07 2009 06:50 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 06:29 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: And yes, at this point I think ydg is innocent. I would prefer not lynch him. If he does get lynched, his alignment will play a large part in how we think about BC. Are we willing to give up a day just for that, when he can be rolechecked?
Also, I take it we are not double lynching today? BC hasn't said anything about that I don't think. Personally I don't think we have any strong enough suspects to o a double lynch. If we do it next day, we can create 2 lists to be checked as long as Fog isn't voted in.
Do you think the DT's are in a good position to be list checking right now? I believe it was previously discussed that list checkings are useful only if coordinated properly. It seems a bit early for that to be happening. Not to mention, 13 people still haven't voted. What if none of the pledges have voted yet? So much for list checking....
Like I said I would rather double lynch (and hopefully list check) Day 3. Even if the mystic can't contact anyone immediately, he has this information and can use it at his discretion. Of course if he gets killed then... that sucks. And honestly the longer we wait, the more chance that the mystic dies before he gets to do the check.
AFAIK the list check only is done after voting finishes and the lynch happens. You can't list check in the middle of an election. If none of the pledges vote, then they don't show up on the list check, so guess where they are.... in the list of non-voters!
As always, the biggest obstacle (as it should be) is coordinating tt.
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redtooths post is pretty fucking weird.
i think both ydg and truthbringer are innocent though. voting for TB because in my eyes, he has a higher chance of being red,
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i'm not happy about it though. the clues don't really match very well. flipping ydg would at least force a few people to explain themselves, depending on the outcome, because there has been a serious case pushed against him in the thread.
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Ugh why did people vote fog? This could be bad :\
Caller, the way I interpreted that writing was that the "roar" was either the roar of gunfire or an alarm, not the mafioso's signal. Especially since it's described as "prolonged". It is a funky word choice though, I'll give you that.
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On July 09 2009 02:34 inertinept wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2009 02:25 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Ugh why did people vote fog? This could be bad :\
Caller, the way I interpreted that writing was that the "roar" was either the roar of gunfire or an alarm, not the mafioso's signal. Especially since it's described as "prolonged". It is a funky word choice though, I'll give you that. are you trying to act like mafia? people are already suspicious of you... fog halves the killing power of PLEDGES and we got rid of a MAFIA, fog is actually very good. add to the fact that we really dont need vote list checks this early and it guarantees a low kill night while we gather up more information. how is fog bad again?
The reason to vote rain was that mafia could not use the suicide bomber, and it let angels protect two (TWO!) targets instead of one. Now, if mafia figures out who the priest is we are positively fucked, because it stops then plan the we have invested the majority of our energy into, with the goal of bringing back MBH. Note that I don't even think we should be in this situation in the first place (...BC), but we have to work with it.
During voting, nobody (except the mafia) knew if the lynch would be green, blue, pledge, or mafia - we had to vote based on the choice that was most likely to be the best. If I KNEW we were going to lynch a mafia and not a pledge I would have considered voting fog. Rain was the conservative choice that was very likely to have given us a confirmed townie. Now, even though the kp has been lowered to 3 during the fog, the angels and priest are in the open to be sniped. Do you see why this could be bad?
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"LOL INFUNDIBULUM WHY WOULD YOU VOTE RAIN WHAT ARE YOU A MAFIA"
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On July 10 2009 04:36 redtooth wrote: regardless, that series of PMs have absolutely no benefit as they were a troll response to lucas's trolling.
yup, i was messing around.
i already explained to caller why his link to me doesn't make sense btw.
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On July 10 2009 04:44 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2009 04:42 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 10 2009 04:36 redtooth wrote: regardless, that series of PMs have absolutely no benefit as they were a troll response to lucas's trolling. yup, i was messing around. i already explained to caller why his link to me doesn't make sense btw. it was a weak explanation and in it you even admitted that the "roar" was odd wording and probably not just a random gunfire echo. also, let me hear your response to my analysis.
First off - all i said was that using "roar" was funky wording. I did not say that it was "probably not just a random gunfire echo." Don't be pulling a BC here.
Anyway yeah your links are solid, the man in the clue writing was wearing funny clothes and laughing and the man in my profile is wearing funny clothes and laughing too. Superb detecive work there I guess.
I think it's pretty clear what my alignment is based on my postings. I suggest not wasting time looking for links to me, but if you want to do so it's your choice.
edit: Also, I'm pretty sure the clue Caller quoted actually linked to Truthbringer.
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On July 10 2009 05:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2009 05:06 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On July 10 2009 05:03 Foolishness wrote:On July 10 2009 04:37 redtooth wrote: pyrr makes me want to hate this game... And this is by far the best post made. well its true last time BC and I gunned at each other we were both innocent but BC wasn't hallucinating color changes and youtube video scenes that game. sorry if im trying to keep solid links to the best possible day 2 link to julia. Hell, if you can help find another person who links to a lack of nose (which is what im doing now) Id admit to being a complete tool, but like, lack of nose +face scarring +taking town a big raging monster currently links to you fairly well, and the time point of the vid shows that scene start. But I am open to other ideas.
Honestly the first two things those clues made me think of were
1. 3:14 connects to pi 2. lack of nose = michael jackson
I haven't looked thru profiles yet to check those.
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On July 10 2009 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ok From lucas's profile.
multiple colours listed (possible change of colour do to fire?) the words electronic device phrase punched to death
Not seeing anything that would have him as psychadelic from his profile.
From last nights clues would be the MJ to no nose (he has alot of surgeories), dunno on colour to yellow change, and a quote to 3:14 could be stemming from where this quote is found Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'entrate
that is from dante's divine comedy translating into All hope abandon, ye who enter in, but its canto III line 9
Canto III line 14 is * Qui si convien lasciare ogne sospetto meaning Here one must leave behind all hesistation
Well MJ was just the first thing that popped into my mind. I think the important part about the clue is that it's part of Mr. Julia's fucked up skin.
1. it reacts when burnt, changing color and making him 'angry' and uncontrollable 2. It reacts to fog. Or maybe being outside? he had to go inside to stop his skin from reacting and bubbling. 3. the countless surgeries. this part *could* connect to MJ, though I'm not sure if that's the intent of the line.
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I'm back. Am writing up post now.
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On July 11 2009 15:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Hey ace, When this town lynches me, and realizes im green, lets host a party! As a note guys, I am green, and when I die and flip as such you will realize I haven't been entirely useless. I'm accused of giving mass targets? No shit, I'm doing generalized short (most of them are very few lines) of analysis for people to look at and go "oh that could work no that couldnt" But hey, In the time since I've been at work, neither of the two people I sent my entire note list of what most people could link to via the two dead member with established clues so see my spoiler below + Show Spoiler + Scamp – cat (cat leapping possibly meant he hurled himself) gutter Truthbringer = skeleton (confirmed he was skeleton) Judge = berzerker (rage and hate confirm he was a berzerker) Scaramana = franchesco scarmanga Foolishness = fool Ilovekt = heart, or heart rate monitor Pyrr = bird Bloodyc0bbler = a cobbler (one who makes shoes, or a pie) something bloody, prince rhaegar Goodwill = kgb officer Inertinept = wind or gust of wind Jeejee = angel or tears or fear Heav0nearth = gladiator Ydg = courage? Bockit = insane amount of things Chezinu = clueless or green skinned Classic = bear semen Chaoser = pokemon, ninja, rekrul Kuja900 = bad limerick, gladiator with bomb Redtooth = ketchup Storrzerg = zerg Falcynn = falcon, rabbit, aquabat(based on codename applesauce linking to them) Ecomania = german Malongo = learning English, editor, gets help Lenwe = man or woman, bench, cyanide, happiness or explosives Infundibulum = muslim, anything music related Rebirthoflegend = a poem, troll killer, hotbid? Faronel = no clue he has no profile.
Day one key terms Gored bodies/strung up like human clotheslines
Tall and lanky man(most likely with a gun) Man with explosive
Crushed into human pancakes (screams comedy)
Day 2 key terms Man 1 (this man turned out to be a skeleton (truthbringer’s profile picture) Arrogant Shock inducing Strong, big gun
Man 2 Tall and lanky (day 1) Careful or observant Quick
Man 3 Carries bombs Poison/plant involvement
Man 4 Nicknamed mr Julia Good with electronics Burn quickly changes colour and pulsates Strong Becomes erratic, and passes out when his body pulsates too much
One mafia is also carrying or is a hot object
Man 5 (is priest) (this was judge and his rage + hate was caused from being a berzerker) Has a lot of rage and hate
Day 3 key terms Man 1 Mr Julia again Military training Wearing a mask Has no nose Skin growing bulbs and changing colour
Man 2 Was suicide bomber He threw himself at his targets (this was scamp, possibly threw implied a leap like a cat)
Man 3 One mafia causes so no fek to be unable to move
Man 4 Laughs a lot Is curiously clothed Causes laughter in others (uses comical traps) uses explosives
repeat used things amusing deaths two people being turned into human pancakes caller being caught in comical trap and getting tied up with a bomb the man responsible for callers death enjoys laughing and creating laughter, and dresses curiously, perhaps comically.
Mr. Julia going from a pulsating erratic person into a cold precise military man
A tall and lanky man (most likely has a gun) who is observant He noticed plexa in a dark place, and someone jumping from a window
Most important stuff is at the top. For those analyzing realize that the first two dead people we have as confirmed via clues are very similar to chuiu's style and work from there. If/when I die do to this lynch, go over and look at malongos/bockit's posts, you will see some stunning give aways. You should also go over the voting list and see who has paired up over the span of days, and then compare to the current bandwagoners, its fun stuff. Regardless, when I die and flip green, town will realize how boned it is, as currently only mafia benefit from the loss of double lynches from this game. So, enjoy the town loss guys, you've sure earned it.
the problem is that even if you're green, you played like shit this game.
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Well we are at a Crux here.
some quick clue connections to keep an eye on:
MrJulia -> Chezinu. The key line here is "cursed green skin" from Chezinu's profile. Mr. Julias skin is messed up proper.
MrJulia -> LucasWoJ. A couple lines from his profile fit with the clue writing: the list of colors, the quote ""Procrastination is the thief of time!" - some guy from the 1600s" connects to 3:14am. Falling apart skin -> Michael jackson. I'm not sure if this is a very strong connection overall.
Fortunately Plexa’s Palace was well equipped with hiding places after his Uncle’s erratic fear of giant spiders.
A twig behind them snapped. They panicked- Caller turned and ran as fast as he could, while So no fek was petrified and could not move. The Mafioso stepped forward and ensured that So no fek would no longer be able to move.
These lines probably connect to JeeJee, whose quote is about fear. However his behavior in the thread, especially arguing with Fool, makes me unsure of his alignment. It's the best clue link I can find for those lines though.
PEOPLE TO KEEP AN EYE ON (READ: SHADY MOFOS):
Pyrr Foolishness Heav0nEarth Faronel StorZerg
PROBABLY INNOCENT ecomania ydg motbob malongo bockit Lenwe
not sure: inertinept - he's posted some dumb shit this game but i can't really tell.
I coul be completely absolutely wrong here - I was never much for behavioral analysis. But these are my gut reactions.
Next is this post by BC:
On July 05 2009 14:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ydg Ecomania Elemenope Kuja Scamp
If elected, i will be random # generating from this list.
Ydg as he tends to go inactive for alot of a game in most games (sorry bud but inactives kill the game)
Elemenope seems shifty to me based on a question he asked previously in the thread, ecomania, kuja and scamp due to general inactivity
Look at this list. Look hard. Who are the 2 people being pushed for lynching today? Kuja and ecomania. The presence of Scamp on this list is also important. If BC is mafia, he could have placed a red like Scamp on the list and just not lynched him. If he is green then it *would* make sense that he has been pushing for ydg, ecomania, and kuja900 recently, because it'd be consistent. But then he went off and lynched MBH. Good one.
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Oh, weather! With only 1 mystic left, fuck voting for rain.
Fog - guaranteed kp drop to 3. This isn't bad at all, and is certainly the safest choice right now.
Sunny - a gambit. I'm pretty sure our assassins can pick some solid targets by now. If we don't vote it today, next day for sure.
Snow - also a gambit because all we get is clues, and depending on who dies we could be fucked for clue analysis. Sunny is a safer vote than this.
I'm voting Fog.
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On July 11 2009 15:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Infundi, your two best bets to win at this point if you off me is snow and sunny.
Without the double lynches you will need the 2 hits each assassin gets to win. Hell, you will need the extra clues as well, fog at this point will do nothing as most likely kuja or ecomania is a pledge and when they die along side me fog won't drop their kp enough.
But hey, just giving you some pointers.
What's the number or mafia/pledge again? I don't think there'd by any way to tell whether kuja is mafia/pledge short of playing the odds. Or is there another way to figure it out?
the problem with voting snow is that towns' clue analysis has been less than subpar so far. voting snow today would give assassins a better clueset for sunny tomorrow, which, I concede, is a good point.
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On July 11 2009 15:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I am well aware moron. You flip green 6-7 games out of 8-9 and tell me you would continue playing with everything you have. In the moments I have tried, bullshit stuff like whats currently going on happens and town happily goes along. All motivation to seriously help you guys win is gone, especially after the retardedness stemming from today. If you honestly think the gf would be dumb enough to run during the elections, you all have no idea how to play this. At best a regular mafia ran for office as it allows the gf to just spam his cover on whoever he wants and keep the 1 KP bonus. By running for office and potentially being elected, mafia would lose its leadership/alot of its KP.
Hell a mafia candidate or elected official would never have attempted to abuse a resurrection ability, or push to have mafia KP dropped, etc...
But Logic has been gone on everyone but a few players. As much as I hate L, the guy knew his stuff for the most part this game, then you have newish players liek foolishness stepping up and not getting listened to, and instead people listen to players like Bockit and Malongo. Malongo who is universally accepted as a horrible player, and bockit who mentioned in the first day he wasnt good at this game.
But hey, listen to them, they will I'm sure lead the town to die, so happy trails retards.
I don't think you're the gf.
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On July 11 2009 15:42 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2009 15:40 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: What's the number or mafia/pledge again? I don't think there'd by any way to tell whether kuja is mafia/pledge short of playing the odds. Or is there another way to figure it out?
the problem with voting snow is that towns' clue analysis has been less than subpar so far. voting snow today would give assassins a better clueset for sunny tomorrow, which, I concede, is a good point. Right now there are 3 pledges and 2 mafioso's alive.
And 1 godfather so 1+1+1+1.5 rounded down = 4. Ok, got it.
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ah you're right I counted regular mafia as 1. So it's 3.5 rounded up to 4. if a pledge dies kp drops to 3, and Fog no longer reduces kp.
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On July 11 2009 15:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Did Plexa really imbalance the game so much that we are already fucked when we have yet to miss a lynch? I kind of doubt that. But let's drum up unnecessary panic anyway. We should vote sunny though, we have 4 good targets imo.
If anything it was balanced in town's favor.
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On July 11 2009 15:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2009 15:49 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On July 11 2009 15:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Infundi, your two best bets to win at this point if you off me is snow and sunny.
Without the double lynches you will need the 2 hits each assassin gets to win. Hell, you will need the extra clues as well, fog at this point will do nothing as most likely kuja or ecomania is a pledge and when they die along side me fog won't drop their kp enough.
But hey, just giving you some pointers. you're getting awfully helpful now but I'm not sure snow is a good idea at this point. I think if we go sunny and go after falcynn and whoever survives out of eco/kuja we'll be doing fine. I also assumed the town didnt need me or L to help them win. I'm glad to see foolishness really stepping up, and pyrr I know even your analysis can do better than what your doing. I told you in the pm and i posted the same info here, Plexa is appearing to do clues based off a similar style to qatol and chuiu, as well as general characteristics to look for, but YOU should have already figured that out, half this town should have. Ydg mentioned it a few pages ago. So people seriously go back and read it. Also pyrr, one dt is dead, one priest is dead. The priest as clue sniped (that was obvious as fucked), and the dt gave himself away. The mafia are not retarded, they have set up this entire scenario to get me killed removing Town KP. This should be evident as by day 3, most mafia will have been linked to at least once.
Fuck. All this time I thought So no fek was an angel.
Why of all times are you suddenly making sense now? When you're on the executioner's slate? Damnit man, I wish your behavior early in the game wasn't so incredibly incriminating. I retract my vote, hesitantly.
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i think the clocktower at the end has to be a clue
it sort of connects to motbob's sig, just like the control tower at the cheese factory from Day 2 i think it was.
also it may have a connection to time, like the 3:14am clue.
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Yeah, I posted before the BC lynch that I thought motbob and ecomania were green, but that was because I thought BC was red. Sorry for missing the votes today.
Nice job guys.
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If not motbob i think Faronel is a sure bet for mafia based on voting patterns and maybe even clues.
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What the hell are dagger eyes?
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Man, even though I had some last second doubts about Faronel, I was pretty sure we were right. My skills this game have been lacking (understatement).
I'm writing up a long analysis of the clues in the Day posts, i.e. which mafias are alive/dead and what clues appear to point to whom. It'll be up in a few hours, cause I gotta do some errands and stuff first.
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Ugh, I closed the window that had everythign written in it. ARGH.
I guess I'll just try to summarize who's who, I don't want to type everything again.
There are 3 very distinct mafia characters: -Mr Julia -Bomb Mafia -Lanky Mafia
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Lanky mafia appears by name in Day 1, 2, *possibly* days 3 and 4. Important about him is that he is "well aware" of his surroundings and perceptive. In Day 4 he would be the mafia citing scripture while the other (ecomania) ties a bomb to inertinept. In Day 3 he would be the guy that paralyzes So no fek. I don't think he is in Day 5. There's gotta be a fit to him but I'm just not sure who. One thing I noticed about this guy is that he never kills anyone. He MIGHT have killed Plexa in Day 1, but if we assume he did not then lanky mafia has not actually killed anyone himself this game.
Mr. Julia. There's been a lot of deliberation on him already in the thread, so I won't repeat it all. Key traits: reactive skin - reacts to flame (fire) and fog (moisture). Surgeries, key timing of kills. Clue-wise, I still think the best fits for him are Bockit, Chezinu, and to a lesser extent iLoveKT.
Bomb mafia I am 90% certain was Ecomania. The curious thing is that he appeared in Day 1, 2, 3, and 4! This led me to question whether there might be two bomb mafias: one who kills people by tying bombs to them, and one who blows things up to knock them over (the tree, the pillar). For now, though, I think they're the same person.
This passage clearly links bomb mafia to ecomania, in Day 3:
As he was running, Caller heard the laughter again, but more clearer. He looked up into the trees and a curiously clothed man glided down from the tree, but stumbled on the landing and fell over. To Callers’s surprise he burst out laughing. Not willing to take a chance, Caller backed away but his leg got caught in a trap and was hoisted into the air helpless. The Mafioso stood up walked over to Caller and tied his hands up with a bomb. Standing just outside of the blastzone, the Mafioso and Caller stared into each other’s eyes as Caller’s death was literally counting down. The blast destroyed Caller.
This passage in Day 4 is motbob:
The streets were barren as the Mafia had struck fear into the heart of all of the residents of Liquiville. With essentially all residents sheltering in their homes tonight the Mafia were roaming the streets to pick off any stragglers or those ignorant of the enormous power that the Mafia wielded. ydg was confident in his ability to defend himself and as such had gone for his daily midnight stroll. On the home stretch he came across a rather tall man wandering about aimlessly. Confused, he approached the man and quickly realised that the man had no idea that he was even there. “Hey, what are you doing out this late?” inquired ydg. The man drew a knife and lunged aimlessly at ydg, missing terribly. “Hey what’s with the hostility?!” exclaimed ydg as he quickly put together the pieces. “You’re... Mafia!!” and with that remark ydg went to punch the man in the gut. The man looked unfazed and lashed around with his knife attempting to stab ydg. Unfortunately for ydg one of those stabs connected and over the course of the night he bled to death.
How do I know? In Day 5 we see that motbob cannot see without his partner. The man ydg finds on the street is unaware of ydg, and lashes around with the knife to try and stab him. It clearly sounds like this mafia can't see ydg, and so here motbob is the killer. I can also see a possible connection to Lenwe here, but Day 5 really says to me that this guy is motbob.
This passage in Day 2 is TruthBringer:
The first headed straight for the control room. His quickened walk looked almost arrogant as he kept his eyes peeled for any sign of resistance. The Mafioso burst through the control room door and Shikyo leapt from his chair in shock. Disappointed that there was only one occupant, the Mafioso sighed and punched Shikyo in the gut, causing him to fall face first onto the ground. Standing above Shikyo, the Mafioso opened fire on his head. By the end of the incident there was more metal inside of Shikyo’s head than organic material. Satisfied with a job well done, the Mafioso signalled to his colleagues that the Control Room was secure.
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There are four mafia left. These are the clue passages that I believe fit to each one. It's kind of tricky and I'm not confident about the last two.
Mafia 1 (Mr. Julia): + Show Spoiler +There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate. “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out. Mr Julia had been given a strict set of instructions to follow, and the first required him to wait until exactly 3:14am. He sat outside motionless as the fog rolled over him. He knew his skin was beginning to form bulbs as he was not familiar with these conditions. As predicted, vx70GTOJudgexv left the building at the precise time. vx70GTOJudgexv was a strong man in the town, arguably the strongest in all of Liquiville. Mr Julia walked up behind him and put his military training to good use – hitting vx70GTOJudgexv in the exact position to cause him to collapse to the ground. However as vx70GTOJudgexv fell he reached to Mr Julia’s face and grabbed a leather strip covering his face revealing a whole where his nose should have been, and the scars of countless surgeries. The bulbs on Mr Julia’s skin began to change to a chilling shade of yellow as he realised he did not have much time left. He picked up vx70GTOJudgexv and ran towards the cheese factory as fast and he could and dumped him inside. Mafia 2: lanky man + Show Spoiler +The events at the Palace were not yet through for the night. Plexa, the Emperor, had heard the noises, seen his Bodyguards brutally tortured and murdered and heard the explosion down stairs. He knew that whoever the intruders were, they were after him. Fortunately Plexa’s Palace was well equipped with hiding places after his Uncle’s erratic fear of giant spiders. It was not difficult for him to completely conceal his presence in the room.
Two men were rummaging around in a room nearby, where exactly he could not tell. The sounds came closer and closer and very soon they were in the same room as him. He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device. Their plan became immediate to him, they were going to blow his palace up with him inside. The two began setting the device while Plexa buried himself in his hiding place.
“Wait” said one of them. Plexa heard footsteps, he heard gun load, he felt the cold of the barrel up against the back of his neck. The man pulled the trigger. The Emperor was dead. The team of two got to work right away sabotaging the Cheese factory. As one sprinkled fox glove seeds all over the cheese, the tall lanky one kept vigilant in case security was alerted. Elemenope had been alerted to their activities moments ago upon hearing the prolonged roar which had come from the control tower, which then prompted him to look outside his window which overlooked the entire factory. As a security guard for the factory, he knew it was his responsibility to protect the exports at all cost. He launched himself out of the window towards the two saboteurs in hopes to catch them by surprise. However the lanky one was well aware of what was going on. A simple sidestep was enough to have Elemenope come crashing to the floor, immediately the other Mafioso tied him up and strapped a bomb to his chest.
Caller and So no fek were returning from their night class on nautical warfare, but knowing there were Mafia about they decided to take the back route to their home. While walking through the last and only park on their journey home they heard a strange but faint laughter. A twig behind them snapped. They panicked- Caller turned and ran as fast as he could, while So no fek was petrified and could not move. The Mafioso stepped forward and ensured that So no fek would no longer be able to move... The morning rooster crowed, and both Mafioso knew that So no fek still had to be dealt with. Upon checking his wallet they established his ironic death by making So no fek sink in the harbour. (unsure about this one above. it might not be him). One Mafioso strapped a bomb to his chest while the other began citing scripture about inertinept’s actions that night. The Mafia backed away and inertinept was blasted into oblivion.
I am having trouble building the characteristics of the other two mafia. The way Plexa writes often makes it hard to pick out individual people.
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Vote lists, colorized:
Day 1 + Show Spoiler + BloodyC0bbler [13]
TruthBringer Pyrrhuloxia HeavOnEarth
ydg LucasWoJ
Shikyo BWdero Falcynn Scaramanga
Faronel StorZerg
Foolishness
Vivi57
L [10]
So no fek iNfuNdiBuLuM Chezinu
ecomania
motbob GoodWill iLoveKT Malongo chaoser
JeeJee
Abstain [9]
redtooth
BloodyC0bbler
Fishball Bockit Lenwe
vx70GTOJudgexv
araav
Elemenope
MrBabyHands
Total votes: 32/38 Non-voters: Scamp Clasic
inertinept
kuja900 L RebirthOfLegend
Day 2: + Show Spoiler + TruthBringer [14]
L
Faronel Chezinu
So no fek Malongo
Foolishness Clasic Pyrrhuloxia Bockit Lenwe BWDero Storzerg Goodwill iNfuNdiBuLuM
ydg [11]
BloodyC0bbler
vx70GTOJudgexv iLoveKT Falcynn
motbob Scaramanga
Kuja900
Truthbringer
ecomania chaoser
Scamp
ecomania [3]
inertinept LucasWoJ
ydg
chaoser [1]
JeeJee
Abstain [4] HeavOnEarth
araav RebirthOfLeGenD
redtooth
33 total votes Non-Voters:
Kuja900
Day 3: + Show Spoiler + BloddyC0bbler - 13 Bockit Bockit GoodWill Malongo Malongo Chezinu
motbob motbob Pyrry Pyrry
Faronel Lenwe
ecomania
LucasWoJ - 1 Clasic
Chaoser - 1
JeeJee
Ecomania - 11
Foolishness Foolishness ydg Scaramanga
inertinept inertinept Falcynn iLoveKT Storrzerg LucasWoJ
ydg
Kuja900 - 12
BloddyC0bbler BloodyC0bbler HeavOnEarth iLoveKT Scaramanga Lenwe LucasWoJ Storrzerg Chezinu Falcynn
ecomania iNfuNdiBuLuM
StorrZerg - 1
JeeJee
Faronel - 1 iNfuNdiBuLuM
abstain - 3
redtooth Chaoser HeavOnEarth
Non Voters: rebirthoflegend BWDero Kuja900 Caller/araav (?)
Day 4 + Show Spoiler + motbob [7] Scaramanga
ecomania
Foolishness LucasWoJ iLoveKT Bockit Pyrrhuloxia
ecomania [9] GoodWill
motbob Chezinu Falcynn chaoser
Faronel Lenwe Storrzerg Malongo
Non voters: RebirthOfLegend Infundibulum BWDero HeavOnEarth
JeeJee Clasic
Day 5 + Show Spoiler + Faronel [8] Malongo chaoser Pyrrhuloxia Bockit Scaramanga Lenwe LucasWoJ StorrZerg
Bockit [1] Falcynn
chaoser [2] GoodWill
Faronel
Lenwe [1] iLoveKT
Non-voters RebirthOfLegend Infundibulum BWDero Clasic
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On July 15 2009 09:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Hmmm I hadn't thought there was a chance tall lanky was still alive. Someone said truthbringer's profile pic looked tall and since he was just a skeleton that would explain his thin nature. I kinda bought that. Making so no fek sink in the harbour, dumping jeejee in the sea - those point to Bockit "im on a boat". Twig snapping = eco, I think it was bockit with eco that teamed up on so no fek. Maybe bockit is linked to all this sea stuff and someone else is mr. julia? I still think bockit is the best fit for mr julia. ilovekt could have Flash bulbs growing out of him if he was Mr. Julia, Chezinu has green skin, green is close to yellow on the color wheel, so it could be Plexa's way of hinting at green without saying it. We'll have to see if he pops up in the net day post, if not I'd think we'd have to have killed him by now (I don't think any of the dead mafia link though).
Nah TB was not lanky mafia. If lanky mafia is dead the only person it could be is Scamp, because motbob = blind mafia, ecomania = bomb mafia, and truthbringer = first mafia from day 2.
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Oh and I don't think it matters what color Chezinu's skin is, the point is that his profile says his skin is cursed.
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UPDATED VOTE LISTS, PLEASE READ
Day 1 + Show Spoiler + BloodyC0bbler [13]
TruthBringer Pyrrhuloxia HeavOnEarth
ydg
LucasWoJ
Shikyo BWdero Falcynn Scaramanga
Faronel
StorZerg
Foolishness
Vivi57
L [10]
So no fek iNfuNdiBuLuM Chezinu
ecomania
motbob GoodWill iLoveKT Malongo chaoser
JeeJee
Abstain [9]
redtooth
BloodyC0bbler
Fishball
Bockit Lenwe
vx70GTOJudgexv
araav
Elemenope
MrBabyHands
Total votes: 32/38 Non-voters:
Scamp Clasic
inertinept
kuja900 L RebirthOfLegend
Day 2: + Show Spoiler + TruthBringer [14]
L
Faronel Chezinu
So no fek Malongo
Foolishness Clasic Pyrrhuloxia
Bockit Lenwe BWDero
StorZerg Goodwill iNfuNdiBuLuM
ydg [11]
BloodyC0bbler
vx70GTOJudgexv iLoveKT Falcynn
motbob Scaramanga
Kuja900
Truthbringer
ecomania chaoser
Scamp
ecomania [3]
inertinept
LucasWoJ
ydg
chaoser [1]
JeeJee
Abstain [4] HeavOnEarth
araav RebirthOfLeGenD
redtooth
33 total votes Non-Voters:
Kuja900
Day 3: + Show Spoiler + BloddyC0bbler - 13
Bockit Bockit GoodWill Malongo Malongo Chezinu
motbob motbob Pyrry Pyrry
Faronel Lenwe
ecomania
LucasWoJ - 1 Clasic
Chaoser - 1
JeeJee
Ecomania - 11
Foolishness Foolishness ydg Scaramanga
inertinept inertinept Falcynn iLoveKT
StorZerg
LucasWoJ
ydg
Kuja900 - 12
BloddyC0bbler BloodyC0bbler HeavOnEarth iLoveKT Scaramanga Lenwe
LucasWoJ
StorZerg Chezinu Falcynn
ecomania iNfuNdiBuLuM
StorrZerg - 1
JeeJee
Faronel - 1 iNfuNdiBuLuM
abstain - 3
redtooth Chaoser HeavOnEarth
Non Voters: rebirthoflegend BWDero Kuja900 Caller/araav (?)
Day 4 + Show Spoiler + motbob [7] Scaramanga
ecomania
Foolishness
LucasWoJ iLoveKT
Bockit Pyrrhuloxia
ecomania [9] GoodWill
motbob Chezinu Falcynn chaoser
Faronel Lenwe
StorZerg Malongo
Non voters: RebirthOfLegend Infundibulum BWDero HeavOnEarth
JeeJee Clasic
Day 5 + Show Spoiler + Faronel [8] Malongo chaoser Pyrrhuloxia
Bockit Scaramanga Lenwe
LucasWoJ
StorZerg
Bockit [1] Falcynn
chaoser [2] GoodWill
Faronel
Lenwe [1] iLoveKT
Non-voters RebirthOfLegend Infundibulum BWDero Clasic
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On July 16 2009 11:17 chaoser wrote: wow guys, nice bandwagon, not mafia like at all. why is everyone voting for me? no clues on me, i have one vote that's suspicious and even that i explained. in a good two hours i've already got 6 votes on me and barely any on anyone else.
qfmft
Scaramanga please change your vote to iLoveKT, since we all know you're innocent
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Clasic iLoveKT Lenwe Chezinu
i think
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actually no scratch that. ugh.
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On July 10 2009 03:32 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2009 03:28 StorrZerg wrote: would it be wrong to link Bockit?
his icon being a mask, phantom of the opera gliding flying ect ect.
or am i going no where? I would think that's more likely to be falcynn. Wasn't there a clue linking to him earlier?
also this post pretty much cements that Falcynn is innocent.
Interesting to note that Pyrr has been the guy gunning for Falcynn and really took off from motbob's suggestion
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Yeah there's not a lot of clue evidence for you.
But that isn't why most people suspect you.
Care to explain your voting record?
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I'll just say this: if I had to pick out of malongo, chaoser, and lenwe, I'd pick Lenwe.
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look at the fucking voting
notice that so many people voting for him have not even come in the thread to say why
does this not strike anyone as weird
falcynn i know you are green why can't you see this?
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On July 17 2009 05:17 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2009 04:36 chaoser wrote:On July 17 2009 04:17 Falcynn wrote:Dude, don't edit your post like that Before his edit he mentioned clasic, Lenwe, and someone else (I refreshed and since apparently you can't unrefresh I missed the third guy) as his primary suspects. If he does turn out innocent then this may be worth noting. sorry, i was just so upset about this stupid vote, if i'm going to die i want to die right, with people arguing for why i should die. this jsut seems so stupid. every other lynch, right or wrong people talked about clue links and such but for me there's none of that, it's just blindly voting. i'll put what i said before here though i doubt it'll matter much. "i'm so fucking upset over people like lenwe, clasic, and goodwill who voted without saying anything." i changed it cause in the end this day is going to end, no one's going to say shit and i'mma die green. and so i give up. nothing i say means anything. so gg. The problem is that you got caught on that list man. Scaramanga says 1 of these is mafia: Malongo, Chaoser, Lenwe (note that 1 is pledge). Lenwe hasnt done much, i suck at this and you got caught with the shitload of mafia voting ydg vs truthbringer. Im pretty sure tomorrow its me or Lenwe if you flip green. (HINT IM A GREEN MOROOOON). On the other side of the road we have HOE, Goodwill, IloveTK and Clasic that have done 0. Nothing, none, no word from them. I tried getting one almost at pure random skill and guess what: I got a fucking protegee. I cant do more sorry guys.
then why are you voting for chaoser? iLoveKT is also up for lynch....
your track record sucks this game, Malongo, and i only hesitate to call you guilty because
a) lack of relevant clues b) you could just be on the wrong side of things, like Bockit.
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plexa please add chaoser's role
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Day 1 + Show Spoiler + BloodyC0bbler [13]
TruthBringer Pyrrhuloxia HeavOnEarth
ydg
LucasWoJ
Shikyo BWdero Falcynn Scaramanga
Faronel
StorZerg
Foolishness
Vivi57
L [10]
So no fek iNfuNdiBuLuM Chezinu
ecomania
motbob GoodWill iLoveKT Malongo
chaoser
JeeJee
Abstain [9]
redtooth
BloodyC0bbler
Fishball
Bockit Lenwe
vx70GTOJudgexv
araav
Elemenope
MrBabyHands
Total votes: 32/38 Non-voters:
Scamp Clasic
inertinept
kuja900 L RebirthOfLegend
Day 2: + Show Spoiler + TruthBringer [14]
L
Faronel Chezinu
So no fek Malongo
Foolishness Clasic Pyrrhuloxia
Bockit Lenwe BWDero
StorZerg Goodwill iNfuNdiBuLuM
ydg [11]
BloodyC0bbler
vx70GTOJudgexv iLoveKT Falcynn
motbob Scaramanga
Kuja900
Truthbringer
ecomania
chaoser
Scamp
ecomania [3]
inertinept
LucasWoJ
ydg
chaoser [1]
JeeJee
Abstain [4] HeavOnEarth
araav RebirthOfLeGenD
redtooth
33 total votes Non-Voters:
Kuja900
Day 3: + Show Spoiler + BloddyC0bbler - 13
Bockit Bockit GoodWill Malongo Malongo Chezinu
motbob motbob Pyrry Pyrry
Faronel Lenwe
ecomania
LucasWoJ - 1 Clasic
Chaoser - 1
JeeJee
Ecomania - 11
Foolishness Foolishness ydg Scaramanga
inertinept inertinept Falcynn iLoveKT
StorZerg
LucasWoJ
ydg
Kuja900 - 12
BloddyC0bbler BloodyC0bbler HeavOnEarth iLoveKT Scaramanga Lenwe
LucasWoJ
StorZerg Chezinu Falcynn
ecomania iNfuNdiBuLuM
StorrZerg - 1
JeeJee
Faronel - 1 iNfuNdiBuLuM
abstain - 3
redtooth
chaoser HeavOnEarth
Non Voters: rebirthoflegend BWDero Kuja900 Caller/araav (?)
Day 4 + Show Spoiler + motbob [7] Scaramanga
ecomania
Foolishness
LucasWoJ iLoveKT
Bockit Pyrrhuloxia
ecomania [9] GoodWill
motbob Chezinu Falcynn
chaoser
Faronel Lenwe
StorZerg Malongo
Non voters: RebirthOfLegend Infundibulum BWDero HeavOnEarth
JeeJee Clasic
Day 5 + Show Spoiler + Faronel [8] Malongo
chaoser Pyrrhuloxia
Bockit Scaramanga Lenwe
LucasWoJ
StorZerg
Bockit [1] Falcynn
chaoser [2] GoodWill
Faronel
Lenwe [1] iLoveKT
Non-voters RebirthOfLegend Infundibulum BWDero Clasic
Day 6 + Show Spoiler + chaoser [9] Scaramanga iLoveKT GoodWill HeavOnEarth Clasic Lenwe Pyrrhuloxia Falcynn Malongo
iLoveKT [1] iNfuNdiBuLuM
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please elaborate, i don't understand
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On July 17 2009 08:44 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Well I guess I'll wait to see the plan and hope it's not an elaborate plot to keep us off fog.
Does fog still even do anything now that chaoser was a pledge? Pretty sure it won't lower kp at all and that from here on we should be voting snow.
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KT,
my clue post is on page 56.
i am green.
yes, i have been wrong about every person who i thought was innocent/guilty. a big part of this is was sure that BC was red - just like a lot of other people. That 'probably innocent/people to keep an eye on' post was made when i though bc was red for sure.
did you forget that it was me who called out Bc's shitty analysis on ydg?
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The thing is even if you guys decide to lynch me, you'll have a small shot at winning as long as you don't miss any others. But I can't let that happen when the game is this close.
I'm sadly not surprised to see this coming from you, Pyrr. You've been the king of making crap analysis all game - yes, even worse than me. Would you like me to remind everyone how you were so sure Kuja was red? How you were so sure that redtooth was a "stupid pledge"? What about Falcynn, as person that I (yes, me) practically proved was innocent and even pointed this out to you so the town could look elsewhere for suspects? What about BC, who you campaigned against until Foolishness changed your mind?
My point here isn't necessarily that your red, but that you've either made a humungous amount of missed calls or have just been throwing out false suspects for the town to chase after. You also backed down super fucking fast after other people questioned your analysis of those players.
I guarantee you the remaining 3 mafia are reading your and KT's posts and jumping with joy.
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On July 17 2009 13:24 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Let's see, infundi begins suggesting the strategy of fog day 1 and then snow day 2, thank god we didn't do that with how bad we've been led around on clue analysis after the success with TruthBringer.
Redtooth (angel) says he has a plan during day 1 but is light on details. Unfortunately for us, that kind of telegraphs blue. Infundibulum and chaoser badger him for more details.
I can't believe I'm gonna have to take the time to wade through this.
...Because I knew how Plexa's clue writing would be from the very beginning of the game. Is that what you're trying to say?
Nobody liked redtooths plan, because all he said was "lets vote sunny, I have an idea but I won't share it!!!" Who would agree with that? How is it at all suspicious that anyone would ask him to elaborate on such a thing, when it could obviously influence a townie to vote for something stupid?
Foolishness on Day 2 sees something fishy about infundibulum's defense of ydg: "iNfuNdiBuLuM, you have abstained from voting thus far. If you really think ydg is innocent, why have you not taken any direct action against it? The vote (at least right now) is close and you have yet to accuse anyone else or suggest that someone else be lynched instead of ydg.
That being said, the summary of your post here reads, "We should not listen to BC, but I could care less who dies". It seems to me you are against BC, not against ydg being lynched."
Infundibulum day 2: "And yes, at this point I think ydg is innocent. I would prefer not lynch him. If he does get lynched, his alignment will play a large part in how we think about BC."
Looks like he wants to leverage ydg's innocence to get BC killed.
1. I explained to Foolishness why i had abstained (I didn't read the thread and abstained before I went to sleep.
2. I wanted to leverage ydg's innocence to get BC killed? Where the hell do you come up with this garbage? BC made a GIANT post about how ydg was 'surely' red. I called him out on it and explained why his anaylysis was bunk (WHY WOULD I DO THAT IF I WERE RED). If ydg had been lynched that day and flipped green, the town would have clamored for BC's head. It's not rocket science dude. If ydg had flipped red instead, people would have been saying "oh I guess BC was doing a good job after all."
Also, look how fast anyone who call him out as a lynch target dies: Caller comes into the game and immediately tells us to kill infundibulum, and we all know how long he lasted in the game: --------BEGIN CALLER QUOTES guys guys guys i say we kill infundibulum "Satisfied with a job well done, the Mafioso signalled to his colleagues that the Control Room was secure." "Elemenope had been alerted to their activities moments ago upon hearing the prolonged roar which had come from the control tower, which then prompted him to look outside his window which overlooked the entire factory." infundibulum has a tuba in his profile, which when played could definitely be construed as a loud roar. Plus, what else could make that signal? also, his posts in the thread are junk either pontificating about ydg or worrying about stupid fears that are unlikely and are beyond his control. Rather than clue identify, which is his normal townie modus operandi, he's doing some different shit. Lynch him. -------END CALLER QUOTES Show nested quote +On July 10 2009 04:08 redtooth wrote:While Pyrr is mulling over the gravity of my offer, let's do brainstorm some clue analysis. CLUE ANALYSIS PART 1 On July 09 2009 19:39 Plexa wrote: While walking through the last and only park on their journey home they heard a strange but faint laughter. A twig behind them snapped. They panicked- Caller turned and ran as fast as he could, while So no fek was petrified and could not move. The Mafioso stepped forward and ensured that So no fek would no longer be able to move. As he was running, Caller heard the laughter again, but more clearer. He looked up into the trees and a curiously clothed man glided down from the tree, but stumbled on the landing and fell over. To Callers’s surprise he burst out laughing. Not willing to take a chance, Caller backed away but his leg got caught in a trap and was hoisted into the air helpless. Let's have a look at the profile of iNfuNdiBuLuM. The first thing you see is a man carrying a large Tuba. Forget that for now, there doesn't seem to be any link to that in the clues so far. However, scroll down more and you get to see two animated gifs of figures laughing gleefully while dressed up in what we would define as "curious garbs". Let's take a look at Caller's post a while back. On July 08 2009 21:22 Caller wrote:guys guys guys i say we kill infundibulum Satisfied with a job well done, the Mafioso signalled to his colleagues that the Control Room was secure. Elemenope had been alerted to their activities moments ago upon hearing the prolonged roar which had come from the control tower, which then prompted him to look outside his window which overlooked the entire factory. infundibulum has a tuba in his profile, which when played could definitely be construed as a loud roar. Plus, what else could make that signal? cool, cool. some more evidence of a link. oh yeah, caller died btw. he had almost no information because he only recently entered the game. he was replacing aarav who could just as easily have been mafia because of all the clue analysis linking to him. why would it benefit mafia to kill caller? because of this post. And redtooth dies that night.
I don't even know what to say about this. You think the entire reason a player died is because they made one speculative post about a clue that could link to me? Even after I rebuked the clue analysis - and was right?
Also notice this from Plexa's rules: Clues can be taken from anywhere. They could come from profiles, signatures or even posts made from inside the game.
I hadn't even noticed that until I saw a post heavonearth made about it on Day 1. Maybe that's the source of all the confusion and fuck-ups we've been making clue wise. Perhaps the lumberjack beard refers to the Billy Mays picture that redtooth put in the middle of his analysis of infundibulum?
I guarantee you this is not the case.
Show nested quote +On July 09 2009 02:34 inertinept wrote:On July 09 2009 02:25 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Ugh why did people vote fog? This could be bad :\
Caller, the way I interpreted that writing was that the "roar" was either the roar of gunfire or an alarm, not the mafioso's signal. Especially since it's described as "prolonged". It is a funky word choice though, I'll give you that. are you trying to act like mafia? people are already suspicious of you... fog halves the killing power of PLEDGES and we got rid of a MAFIA, fog is actually very good. add to the fact that we really dont need vote list checks this early and it guarantees a low kill night while we gather up more information. how is fog bad again? Inerptinept didn't die that night, but the next, probably because mafia was busy sniping the DT, and getting the priest, plus killing L to make BC look bad. They killed caller that night and they didn't use up all 5 KP, maybe inertinept was blocked that night.
You're missing the essence of this exchange. This was the night where I urged everyone to vote rain in order to protect the priest from the suicide bomber. Lynch post came up and the weather was Fog, and I posted the above, which inertinept replied to. I then explained to him why rain was the safe, conservative play, and that it was the proper choice given our information. Then guess what happened? Judge got bombed, because people didn't fucking vote for rain. Also, the mafia didn't kill L to make BC look bad (he already looked bad enough), they killed him because he was smart and on point.
infundibulum goes after BC, but then retracts his vote at basically the last second when it can have no effect on the outcome, probably thinking no one would look at him in the fallout since he wasn't on the final roll call. Notice chaoser came in at the last moment of the day and made a post defending BC, he probably would have gone against BC and voted for BC had BC started to get off the chopping block. Also notice that infundibulum keeps posting the final voting tallies without any switches noted.
I retracted my vote for BC after reading his defenses. I was sure at first, like a lot of other innocent people, that he was red. Sucks that it was at the last second, but what can I do? And if you want to go through the vote threads and compile all the switches, please be my guest. I took the time to compile the vote lists from every Day and update them with the dead players. I don't see you or anyone else bothering to provide easily accessible information to the town - so don't bitch if i didn't list the vote switches.
----Malongo: ...please rolcheck one of this guys:
Scaramanga Infundibulum Pyrrhuloxia --- Maybe they put cover on me or scaramanga so we looked red and infundi is GF so they figured they had a 2/3rd chance of creating a town fuck-up? Malongo never explains why he picks those 3.
So how does this implicate me at all when it's malongo's weird post that I had nothing to do with. I dunno why he inexplicably listed me. Maybe you should ask him!
LucasWoJ calls out infundibulum as his #1 target based on voting analysis and dies that night.
And you were on that list too, and Lucas died that! Scandal!
Dude, if you are town please get your head out of your ass or we will lose the game.
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Yeah I know I was wrong about chaoser. And that i tried to convince people to vote otherwise. Looks pretty bad doesn't it? All I can say is that I made a mistake (something you should know a bit about this game ) and that I was wrong. But dude, you and me and everyone else know that Clasic's, GoodWill's, and HeavOnEarth's drive by votes for chaoser were weird. Lucky for chaoser that he could play such stupidity to his advantage.
Same thing with Faronel - I fucked up. His last minute, single vote on BC (in a double lynch) made me almost positive that he was mafia that came in to ensure the emporer died. There were also clues on him which sort-of lined up, which I was satisfied with given Plexa's writing style.
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On July 17 2009 14:19 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Well who do you suggest we go after? Pray tell us who will be confirmed innocent if you turn red?
To go after? I already Pm'd you that when you asked me, but i'll post it here:
Original Message: (me) i've kinda hit a wall and need to take a break for a bit, but
malongo - behavior. BWDero - clues
iLoveKT is an interesting case, especially how he just popped up right when he started to get votes. his voting record is pretty bad early on though. i think i was wrong about him and that he's green.
lenwe - maybe. he really might just be green.
after that i just don't know. i've been horribly wrong about a lot of people this game so i don't want to point fingers right now.
what about you? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: (pyrr) who do you think we should go after from here on out?
Who will be confirmed innocent if I flip red? I haven't given much thought to such a scenario because I'm green, but if I somehow turned red overnight it would look pretty good for you and KT.
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On July 19 2009 05:48 Plexa wrote: epic activity levels
can't believe i broke out the popcorn for this
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Man, i played bad this game. Sorry.
I should have known pyrr was red as soon as i found motbob's post suggesting Falcynn as a red, which pyrr had taken with and run through the thread always saying how Falcynn was def mafia. It wasnt until pyrr said I was mafia and I went back that I realized he was mafia. But I didn't know how to convince the town of that.
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