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On July 07 2009 07:59 L wrote: There are a bunch of people who are about to outted by looking at voting patterns and thread activity. Lets examine the general course of conversation this game has taken. We started talking in general terms about weather. We then slid into a chat about what type of mafia one would send into the election. The answer was simple: the godfather. Elections went on, some odd voting happened, then we nearly completely dropped the topic. Why is this important? Because BC is acting incoherently in his role. BC will criticize ydg for 'flip flopping', but flip flops himself, posting: then essentially going "oh wait nevermind, i'm going to kill a power player instead" 40 minutes later. Regardless of the wisdom of the plan, BC can't be pointing out other people for changing their minds when he's been the biggest flip flopper in the game when it comes down to concrete life or death decisions. More importantly, check that list: Who's number 1 there? The person BC is trying to get the town to bandwagon right now. Okay, fair enough, he's had a grudge and has been searching for shit to pin on ydg despite not having ANY clue information to back his claims up. There's obviously more poor argumention from him, quite a bit of it stemming from kill MBH plan and a bit more coming from previous conversations. That alone isn't enough to pin someone as being mafia. Tricode last game was throwing up complete garbage posts, but he was just an idiot townie. What makes BC special is WHO his friends are and WHEN they support him. Next: Lets take a gander at the vote lists: BloodyC0bbler [13] TruthBringer Pyrrhuloxia HeavOnEarth ydg LucasWoJ Shikyo BWdero Falcynn Scaramanga Faronel StorZerg Foolishness Vivi57 L [10] So no fek iNfuNdiBuLuM Chezinu ecomania motbob GoodWill iLoveKT Malongo chaoser JeeJee Abstain [9] redtooth BloodyC0bbler Fishball Bockit Lenwe vx70GTOJudgexv araav Elemenope MrBabyHands The bolded member of the list are special because they correspond to typical voting periods for mafia members on a mafia candidate. Mafia will seed a list to get a bandwagon running, then let it grow a bit on its own, sprinkling a few extra votes in the middle, but holding most of their members back if they need to make a last minute push. The early voters? TruthBringer and Pyrr. TruthBringer has been silent and is by far our best clue link, and Pyrr defends BC fanatically, throwing a few red herrings at other players now and then. The two bolded votes further down correspond to the 11th and 12th votes for BC respectively, the votes needed to overcome the fact that I hadn't yet voted and assure the win for BC. Foolishness is posting useless comments and poor analysis all over the thread, adding to the 'chaos' that BC was talking about when referring to flip flopping. StorZerg Is nearly 100% silent. The italicized members are those that have been put under suspicion in the past few pages. That said, there are likely only 3-5 mafia on that list, with the other 3-5 being on me or abstaining. Since I'm in the unique position of knowing that mafia would only vote for me to camouflage themselves (unless they wanted to warp my mind and control my precious fog votes), This tells me that BC is far too likely to be mafia to be followed in bandwagons. Lets examine those people who have been following: Araav - 3 Storzerg Pyrrhuloxia So no fek YDG - 5 Foolishness vx70GTOJudgexv BloodyC0bbler iLoveKTF Falcynn Out of the 5 most likely mafia members, 3 of them are seeding bandwagon lists to deflect the pressure put on a fourth member: TruthBringer. Wake the fuck up. Don't take my word for granted either. Think this shit through yourself. Town is getting fucking RAPED right now. We aren't active and the mafia are actively putting up walls of shit posts to throw you off and make you too lazy to go back and find quality information. Ok, as your post is huge im shoving it in a spoiler to start. Now, to start. YDG has been on my list from the get go, I will admit, but hey lets look at what I've done first. a) Pushed day 1 fog issue while debates on weather were going on, It locked in the most useful selection for town b) Killed MBH - Now this can be viewed as a bad move except for the fact as it flipped his colour showing town, giving us the best tool town needs to win, which is a strong player who's confirmed town. c) given analysis - some good some bad, but its day 2, thats expected. Now, out of those 3, the first two are insanely town oriented, Mafia would never actually be the center of pushing those issues as it gives up its advantage of control. As for the last point, YDG analysis is overall solid, and any defense of him is just to get me out of the way. Now lets look at this post ive quoted above, and we see L has bolded (but not italisized) truthbringer, making it sound like the stuff was on him for ages more than the rest. I have put suspicion on YDG well before L's on truthbringer, although not as detailed still there, ie not in the last few pages. He purposely leaves out araav and judge as possible suspects although suspicion was drawn onto them as well. But instead he leaves them out. Show's that L doesn't like giving complete information to those he is trying to convince, but thats typical. He also includes the vote lists from the day before of people who voted for me, him and abstained. Wait a second, if I was mafia, why did I kill two people off my own list? Wait why am I targetting more people on said list. Mafia elects always have their team push them into office, by killing people off my own list I would only be giving away my team if I was red, L knows this as well, yet doesn't mention it. "Since I'm in the unique position of knowing that mafia would only vote for me to camouflage themselves (unless they wanted to warp my mind and control my precious fog votes), This tells me that BC is far too likely to be mafia to be followed in bandwagons. Lets examine those people who have been following: " How would he know he is in such a unique position? has the planets aligned and said "L IS OUR CHOSEN ONE" no, he is in the same position as I am, both of us giving things to the town to benefit it. However, the one biggest factor between myself and L has been in the idea of the Priest resurrection plan. Yes its a gambit, but if priest lives one more night, we get a leader who can snipe red easily. Double lynch will be used to be at his disposal immediately. But L instead said he would auto lynch me, his competition for an idea of how the "mafia" voted. However, if he did that and I flipped green as both he and I know i would, it would leave town in a position that they would have a leader who would kill his only opposition for leadership, as well as a list of people who are almost for sure innocent. Leaving him to be lynched by town and double lynches lost in the game, and no serious leadership. My analysis on judge was dismissed because it linked to far to many things to be likely by most of you, yet L's own analysis on truthbringer (much more solid I will admit) connects to many many many things in that kill, which if one very convinient link is dismissed, so should the other for similar reasons. As for him saying the town is getting raped? The mafia is clutching at straws period. They had 4 mishits (shikyo would not have known he was bg), which shows the mafia needs a powerplay to get ahead. Town will soon have a confirmed powerhouse up and able to beat the mafia, as such they need to get rid of people pushing town forward. Killing me would make sense for them to remove that voice, Now look at people who have risen to YDG's defense YDG himself L Infundibulum motbob when mafia are routinely caught, members will show up to defend them. Or bury the post in which they were accused. I however have defended myself. My actions this game have proven my intent to get a win for the town, that is the leadership you should be following. | ||
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Foolishness
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On July 07 2009 08:31 LucasWoJ wrote: Can someone tell me if it's worth reading Foolishness's post above? I assume it's filled with useless troll crap that is meant to derail the thread, but if there's something useful I'll take the time to go through it. You're so funny, and original. You realize that you're trolling now too along with me? But I guess now I have irony to laugh at, when instead you could've told me to pay attention and read L's post, and then I would have been doing something productive. I can only assume you didn't read the post either. | ||
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LucasWoJ
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On July 07 2009 08:34 Foolishness wrote: You're so funny, and original. You realize that you're trolling now too along with me? But I guess now I have irony to laugh at, when instead you could've told me to pay attention and read L's post, and then I would have been doing something productive. I can only assume you didn't read the post either. You're slow. | ||
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Foolishness
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On July 07 2009 08:40 LucasWoJ wrote: You're slow. Aren't you happy to be trolling with me? Doesn't it make you proud? You are now an active troll with me! You are now part of the same thing you set out to get rid of. Congrats! | ||
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LucasWoJ
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On July 07 2009 08:43 Foolishness wrote: Aren't you happy to be trolling with me? Doesn't it make you proud? You are now an active troll with me! You are now part of the same thing you set out to get rid of. Congrats! You impress me. | ||
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On July 07 2009 08:44 LucasWoJ wrote: You impress me. I'm flattered! In all honesty I'm glad you were able to have this conversation with me. You impressed me as well, although probably not in the same way as I can only guess at the meaning behind your words. | ||
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Chezinu
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On July 07 2009 08:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2009 07:59 L wrote: There are a bunch of people who are about to outted by looking at voting patterns and thread activity. Lets examine the general course of conversation this game has taken. We started talking in general terms about weather. We then slid into a chat about what type of mafia one would send into the election. The answer was simple: the godfather. Elections went on, some odd voting happened, then we nearly completely dropped the topic. Why is this important? Because BC is acting incoherently in his role. BC will criticize ydg for 'flip flopping', but flip flops himself, posting: then essentially going "oh wait nevermind, i'm going to kill a power player instead" 40 minutes later. Regardless of the wisdom of the plan, BC can't be pointing out other people for changing their minds when he's been the biggest flip flopper in the game when it comes down to concrete life or death decisions. More importantly, check that list: Who's number 1 there? The person BC is trying to get the town to bandwagon right now. Okay, fair enough, he's had a grudge and has been searching for shit to pin on ydg despite not having ANY clue information to back his claims up. There's obviously more poor argumention from him, quite a bit of it stemming from kill MBH plan and a bit more coming from previous conversations. That alone isn't enough to pin someone as being mafia. Tricode last game was throwing up complete garbage posts, but he was just an idiot townie. What makes BC special is WHO his friends are and WHEN they support him. Next: Lets take a gander at the vote lists: BloodyC0bbler [13] TruthBringer Pyrrhuloxia HeavOnEarth ydg LucasWoJ Shikyo BWdero Falcynn Scaramanga Faronel StorZerg Foolishness Vivi57 L [10] So no fek iNfuNdiBuLuM Chezinu ecomania motbob GoodWill iLoveKT Malongo chaoser JeeJee Abstain [9] redtooth BloodyC0bbler Fishball Bockit Lenwe vx70GTOJudgexv araav Elemenope MrBabyHands The bolded member of the list are special because they correspond to typical voting periods for mafia members on a mafia candidate. Mafia will seed a list to get a bandwagon running, then let it grow a bit on its own, sprinkling a few extra votes in the middle, but holding most of their members back if they need to make a last minute push. The early voters? TruthBringer and Pyrr. TruthBringer has been silent and is by far our best clue link, and Pyrr defends BC fanatically, throwing a few red herrings at other players now and then. The two bolded votes further down correspond to the 11th and 12th votes for BC respectively, the votes needed to overcome the fact that I hadn't yet voted and assure the win for BC. Foolishness is posting useless comments and poor analysis all over the thread, adding to the 'chaos' that BC was talking about when referring to flip flopping. StorZerg Is nearly 100% silent. The italicized members are those that have been put under suspicion in the past few pages. That said, there are likely only 3-5 mafia on that list, with the other 3-5 being on me or abstaining. Since I'm in the unique position of knowing that mafia would only vote for me to camouflage themselves (unless they wanted to warp my mind and control my precious fog votes), This tells me that BC is far too likely to be mafia to be followed in bandwagons. Lets examine those people who have been following: Araav - 3 Storzerg Pyrrhuloxia So no fek YDG - 5 Foolishness vx70GTOJudgexv BloodyC0bbler iLoveKTF Falcynn Out of the 5 most likely mafia members, 3 of them are seeding bandwagon lists to deflect the pressure put on a fourth member: TruthBringer. Wake the fuck up. Don't take my word for granted either. Think this shit through yourself. Town is getting fucking RAPED right now. We aren't active and the mafia are actively putting up walls of shit posts to throw you off and make you too lazy to go back and find quality information. Ok, as your post is huge im shoving it in a spoiler to start. Now, to start. YDG has been on my list from the get go, I will admit, but hey lets look at what I've done first. a) Pushed day 1 fog issue while debates on weather were going on, It locked in the most useful selection for town b) Killed MBH - Now this can be viewed as a bad move except for the fact as it flipped his colour showing town, giving us the best tool town needs to win, which is a strong player who's confirmed town. c) given analysis - some good some bad, but its day 2, thats expected. Now, out of those 3, the first two are insanely town oriented, Mafia would never actually be the center of pushing those issues as it gives up its advantage of control. As for the last point, YDG analysis is overall solid, and any defense of him is just to get me out of the way. Now lets look at this post ive quoted above, and we see L has bolded (but not italisized) truthbringer, making it sound like the stuff was on him for ages more than the rest. I have put suspicion on YDG well before L's on truthbringer, although not as detailed still there, ie not in the last few pages. He purposely leaves out araav and judge as possible suspects although suspicion was drawn onto them as well. But instead he leaves them out. Show's that L doesn't like giving complete information to those he is trying to convince, but thats typical. He also includes the vote lists from the day before of people who voted for me, him and abstained. Wait a second, if I was mafia, why did I kill two people off my own list? Wait why am I targetting more people on said list. Mafia elects always have their team push them into office, by killing people off my own list I would only be giving away my team if I was red, L knows this as well, yet doesn't mention it. "Since I'm in the unique position of knowing that mafia would only vote for me to camouflage themselves (unless they wanted to warp my mind and control my precious fog votes), This tells me that BC is far too likely to be mafia to be followed in bandwagons. Lets examine those people who have been following: " How would he know he is in such a unique position? has the planets aligned and said "L IS OUR CHOSEN ONE" no, he is in the same position as I am, both of us giving things to the town to benefit it. However, the one biggest factor between myself and L has been in the idea of the Priest resurrection plan. Yes its a gambit, but if priest lives one more night, we get a leader who can snipe red easily. Double lynch will be used to be at his disposal immediately. But L instead said he would auto lynch me, his competition for an idea of how the "mafia" voted. However, if he did that and I flipped green as both he and I know i would, it would leave town in a position that they would have a leader who would kill his only opposition for leadership, as well as a list of people who are almost for sure innocent. Leaving him to be lynched by town and double lynches lost in the game, and no serious leadership. My analysis on judge was dismissed because it linked to far to many things to be likely by most of you, yet L's own analysis on truthbringer (much more solid I will admit) connects to many many many things in that kill, which if one very convinient link is dismissed, so should the other for similar reasons. As for him saying the town is getting raped? The mafia is clutching at straws period. They had 4 mishits (shikyo would not have known he was bg), which shows the mafia needs a powerplay to get ahead. Town will soon have a confirmed powerhouse up and able to beat the mafia, as such they need to get rid of people pushing town forward. Killing me would make sense for them to remove that voice, Now look at people who have risen to YDG's defense YDG himself L Infundibulum motbob when mafia are routinely caught, members will show up to defend them. Or bury the post in which they were accused. I however have defended myself. My actions this game have proven my intent to get a win for the town, that is the leadership you should be following. I see you're throwing out falsities again. Lets go through this. I bolded truthbringer because he was the first vote for you. The bolded positions aren't based on players, they're based on timing. I specifically mentioned that and explained that the bold mentioned members of that list are in prime mafia voting areas; the start or to push someone over the top. You, by contrast claim that I bold him to make it seem like i have "ages" more on him than the rest. No, That's purely a position matter. The fact that Foolishness is spamming the thread (which you considered a mafia move), TruthBringer is silent (which you considered a good method of selecting a random target from early game prior to killing MBH), StorZerg is silent, etc shows that there's more than just position in play here. TruthBringer has clue analysis, behavior AND voting patterns which all predict he's mafia. Yet you go after someone you admit you've been trying to kill since day 1 for being quiet. The problem is that we have better information to go on, he isn't silent, and your reasons for targetting him can be applied to YOU as well. You can't explain away all of that, now can you? Next: I leave out araav? No I don't. He very well may be mafia too. You've already moved on from araav after ignoring my questions regarding how a tank quickly ties people up, and the veritable battery of 'what the fuck' from the town. In terms of your analysis, you know as well as I do that yours is absolutely bullshit. The question is: why? Are you trying to lure out mafia, or are you trying to set up suspicions now so that mafia can steer votes away from people like TruthBringer? He also includes the vote lists from the day before of people who voted for me, him and abstained. Wait a second, if I was mafia, why did I kill two people off my own list? Wait why am I targetting more people on said list. Mafia elects always have their team push them into office, by killing people off my own list I would only be giving away my team if I was red, L knows this as well, yet doesn't mention it. I also know its the only list you can push with pledges and not get list checked. If you're so confident that the list isn't ripe with red, why don't you call a double lynch and let us clear it out a bit more, hmm? Oh, because you're covering for someone.How would he know he is in such a unique position? has the planets aligned and said "L IS OUR CHOSEN ONE" no, he is in the same position as I am, both of us giving things to the town to benefit it. Uh, you and I both have the knowledge of one of the roles of someone who seriously ran for office. That's why I'm in a unique position. If you're godfather, I'm the person who has the most information telling me that you are because of the fact that I know i'm not. No one else can tell if i am, and frankly DTs can't check at this point either because of your cover ability. As for him saying the town is getting raped? The mafia is clutching at straws period. They had 4 mishits (shikyo would not have known he was bg), which shows the mafia needs a powerplay to get ahead. Town will soon have a confirmed powerhouse up and able to beat the mafia, as such they need to get rid of people pushing town forward. Killing me would make sense for them to remove that voice, WHAT VOICE? You've said it yourself; town shouldn't need you unless MBH gets killed. You're contradicting yourself at such a high rate, it boggles my mind. I'm not going to sit down and make the player who has the highest likelihood of being the godfather in the game dictate who I should lynch and how I should analyse. This both goes against your own platform, your cute little twist with killing off one of our best players, and the most basic rule of thumb for a town player: think for yourself. I'm not telling everyone they need to believe me. I told them to look at the information in front of me. You, by contrast are telling people to shut up and get in line for mafia house slaughter time. Sorry, no dice. And for irony's sake: when mafia are routinely caught, members will show up to defend them. Or bury the post in which they were accused. Like you, pyrr and foolishness did when I posted my analysis of truthbringer? He hasn't shown up either. By your very own logic, you should realize that people who aren't in your little cabal should switch votes, and switch votes now. | ||
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On July 07 2009 10:38 L wrote: And for irony's sake: Like you, pyrr and foolishness did when I posted my analysis of truthbringer? He hasn't shown up either. By your very own logic, you should realize that people who aren't in your little cabal should switch votes, and switch votes now. I don't think that anyone has defended truthbringer at all, it seemed to me that BC wanted to kill ydg over truthbringer. However if you're talking about us burying the posts then I can't deny that. You seem to think that I'm all friendly friendly with BC. Let me clarify some things for you. I am in no way associated with BC nor do I ever intend on it. If you look back in the thread I was yelling at his campaign the first day. I think BC is a terrible player and I cannot wait for MBH is revived so the two of you will shut up. Yes, I know I voted for him, but given the choice between the two of you I simply chose who I thought would be the lesser of two evils, and for the most part I feel it's better to vote than to abstain. And as for the ydg vote, I suspected him the first day and that's why I voted for him again (although I will admit I am also suspicious of TruthBringer). So please don't associate me with that idiot. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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On July 07 2009 10:38 L wrote: I see you're throwing out falsities again. Lets go through this. I bolded truthbringer because he was the first vote for you. The bolded positions aren't based on players, they're based on timing. I specifically mentioned that and explained that the bold mentioned members of that list are in prime mafia voting areas; the start or to push someone over the top. You, by contrast claim that I bold him to make it seem like i have "ages" more on him than the rest. No, That's purely a position matter. The fact that Foolishness is spamming the thread (which you considered a mafia move), TruthBringer is silent (which you considered a good method of selecting a random target from early game prior to killing MBH), StorZerg is silent, etc shows that there's more than just position in play here. TruthBringer has clue analysis, behavior AND voting patterns which all predict he's mafia. Yet you go after someone you admit you've been trying to kill since day 1 for being quiet. The problem is that we have better information to go on, he isn't silent, and your reasons for targetting him can be applied to YOU as well. You can't explain away all of that, now can you? Next: I leave out araav? No I don't. He very well may be mafia too. You've already moved on from araav after ignoring my questions regarding how a tank quickly ties people up, and the veritable battery of 'what the fuck' from the town. In terms of your analysis, you know as well as I do that yours is absolutely bullshit. The question is: why? Are you trying to lure out mafia, or are you trying to set up suspicions now so that mafia can steer votes away from people like TruthBringer? I also know its the only list you can push with pledges and not get list checked. If you're so confident that the list isn't ripe with red, why don't you call a double lynch and let us clear it out a bit more, hmm? Oh, because you're covering for someone. Uh, you and I both have the knowledge of one of the roles of someone who seriously ran for office. That's why I'm in a unique position. If you're godfather, I'm the person who has the most information telling me that you are because of the fact that I know i'm not. No one else can tell if i am, and frankly DTs can't check at this point either because of your cover ability. WHAT VOICE? You've said it yourself; town shouldn't need you unless MBH gets killed. You're contradicting yourself at such a high rate, it boggles my mind. I'm not going to sit down and make the player who has the highest likelihood of being the godfather in the game dictate who I should lynch and how I should analyse. This both goes against your own platform, your cute little twist with killing off one of our best players, and the most basic rule of thumb for a town player: think for yourself. I'm not telling everyone they need to believe me. I told them to look at the information in front of me. You, by contrast are telling people to shut up and get in line for mafia house slaughter time. Sorry, no dice. And for irony's sake: Like you, pyrr and foolishness did when I posted my analysis of truthbringer? He hasn't shown up either. By your very own logic, you should realize that people who aren't in your little cabal should switch votes, and switch votes now. Rofl, man your insanely deluded. Wanting to kill someone on a list based on certain traits is normal and yet the the fact he has come out of the woodworks with the shaddiest play's make him a prime suspect so this means he is on a list for being way too active in a bad way, much higher on a kill list than someone who I EVEN ADMITTED is likely red off your own analysis, but do you stop to consider the fact that A VOCAL MAFIA is more destructive than a non vocal one, the answer is no in terms of truthbringer/ydg, youd want to lynch the inactive one, well, kudo's to you. As for me being GF? Wow your retarded, a mafia member would never willingly help the town to the extent I have, yet you don't even go over that. You do concentrate on vote lists, which is cool, except you have more random "where the fuck did that guy come from" votes on you. You didnt even consider mafia voting for you, in fact you dont want the town to ever believe even for arguments sake your red. Stop with your shit already. You want an answer on araav tieing someone up as a tank? shoots a net, he has a display pic of a zealot which have arms, etc... he was linked off a clue, and you found fault, I could go over yours and find the obvious faults but at face value it seems legit, especially as of day two, but giving suspects to mull over is a town job, Ive given three to your one, and only one of which was a weak connection, you however bully the choice of one, then accuse one of the few people actually helping the town. As for your unique standpoint, I KNOW im not the GF, sorry pal, your "unique" standpoint is wrong as im not what your accusing me of. As for killing off a best player MBH as a bad call? IF plexa randomized roles according to balance, him being green means your or I should be red, I know i'm not, and everything I have done to this point indicates that, what about you? You push one person, argue that a autolynch should be used on your competetor to get info on a vote list? They flip green you get killed, and even if your green, town gets fucked JUST LIKE LAST GAME. Your doing the same shit that got ace and ver killed, and you were wrong then just like you are now. I will give you can analyze well, but your leading ability is horrible. My plan gives us a confirmed powerhouse, yours would have given you vote lists that you can't even prove anything from. I die and flip green my list could be completely townie, or mafia sends entire force to get me in, etc... You can't know. Mafia can easily hide on the three lists to avoid suspicion yet you dont consider Obvious facts. My only flaw in my plan is the priest dying. Yours had so much more. As for me telling people to follow me at this point, YES its logical, You have given some sound analysis on truthbringer, thats cool but you werent elected, hell I was and am giving control over to a revived guy, so till he's up, why dont you simmer the hell down. As for double lynch? We are clutching at straws on links, and you want to waste a double lynch? Give me more than day 2 clues on someone, hell even more than my behavioural analysis on someone, link someone both ways and sure ill enact a doublelynch, but wasting one on very little is asinine, and you should know that. After seeing these posts of yours I know why so many of the top players now ignore almost everything you say. Outside of your campaign post and truthbringers analysis, you spend more time pushing crockpot ideas and costing town's games. So L stop trying to bring the town to the brink of death like you did last game so the town can win. Stick to your analysis posts and you are useful, outside that your destructive so just stop. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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On July 06 2009 11:45 L wrote: I'm going to do this a bit more in depth and with colours, because short posts are easy to swamp with terrible ones if mafia wants to move to the next page. Day 1 Day 2 Red Clues link to TruthBringer: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=TruthBringer First off is the Arrogant look. This links twice to the profile. The first link is via the skeleton picture. Slightly leaning back, the skeleton has the most arrogant possible look I've ever seen put on bones. Bit stretched, but whatever. His name also links here, since it implies that he's somewhat of a cocky guy. The second link is the fact that he kept his eyes peeled; Carbon FC links here: it is a glassy carbon used to make motorcycle visors. Next: Shikyo leaps out of his chair in shock. Well, no fucking shit, a skeleton just broke into the room. Third: The method of death; Explicit reference to a lack of organic matter in Shikyo's head, much like the decayed skull that TruthBringer has. That's not the 'big clue' though. The fact that his head is filled with so much lead that its more metal than flesh, however, is. An entire pistol clip couldn't do that, but a chaingun sure fucking could. Fourth and Lastly: Vivi's death Vivi is cut in half by bullets. Chainguns can do this, pistols cannot, rifles cannot, shotguns would need to be near point blank and fired in a specific pattern to do so. Overall, the chaingun is pretty telling here. Blue clues link to Kuja900. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Kuja900 Note how there's very little solid information directly related to the character besides for his love of explosives. He's the only one I have linked to explosives via his mybrute (I checked all of the one listed in profiles, as of right now, his is the only one with a bomb). He also seems to be fairly quick, which his character is. Between the two, Truthbringer is obviously a far better target, but I haven't found someone who links to explosives as well as Kuja. The fox glove clue can link to digitalis or cardiac drug medicines, but we can wait a day and see if anything extra comes up here. So to recap: Vote the shit out of TruthBringer. + Show Spoiler + On July 06 2009 15:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: YDG Why he is Mafia. So, we come down to the last bit of game. I have opted for a different approach this game than normal. The town leadership although “won” by me will be directly placed on MBH when he revives, why you ask? Because he is confimed townie. As such I have gone out of my way to get reactions out of players, and observe how they react/were acting before said post. YDG is the most prominent of these people. Now we will analyze why Look at these time stamps people, within the span of 20ish minutes, he has argues snow/rain/fog. Saying he voted for snow, then asking people to vote fog. You wonder why is this an issue, well that’s a good point. See, common mafia tactic is to appear to be active, as this is, even appear to be helpful which it does, HOWEVER, by constant flipflopping and not enforcing one idealogy off sound reasoning, we instead have someone trying to create chaos and disruption. We move on. Wait a second He just advocated voting fog, now we are back to saying snow is useful for day 1, and tries to once again express this is a good idea. Constant try to keep conversation on a bad bad idea, he even ignores the fact that fog will lower KP, when 5 is insanely high for such a low player game. Here he doesn’t like the fog option repeatedly as he doesn’t believe we can hit pledges without list checks (fog has been deemed smartest choice overall by player base for day 1) Once again he wants us to let mafia have highest KP possible. He mentions how he doesn’t like to clue analyze day 1(very intelligent I will give) then proceeds to CLUE ANALYZE, only after I called him out, WHY would you start doing something you said you don’t like doing when that reason was acceptable, instead he tries his best to be on the side of the town, but hes trying to hard all too fast as the next message will show. [b] This bit of math has basically been covered at least once by this point, I will even quote it (check timestamps) So we have a rehashed equation in more depth that tells us basically what we already know (the detail is useless as the result is the same as I had already mentioned). He is rehashing old info, even making it look prettier to slide under the radar. Two posts very close to eachother (time difference obvious in time to write the messages pretty well). Both are directly attributed to me calling him out. Then moving onto another list of people to look at (look they didn’t vote). Then, he wants us to concentrate on finding the priest is, ok that’s not to bad of an idea…..wait, he wants to keep using priests ability to get confirmed townies in the works… Does he not realize that’s useless. Unless we get perfect lynches going for awhile (or assassin hits) mafia can wipe us out in 6 days, we won’t have the time to swap the priest role for that list, as the game wont last that long. he added very little information to a brief summary of a mafia member, again, appears to be more useful than he is actually being, subtle mafia trick. Makes mention to similarities of people that L had already made in his huge post on why to kill Truthbringer. Again he is rehashing information given in an attempt to be “active and useful”. But its not real use, its rehashing information. Instantly dismisses Araav, who was a very good link (only person who really links to flowers in this case). The vx70GTOJudgexv clues are weak as he stated and meant to be such, his reaction was needed for behavioural analysis. However, YDG defends both Araav, and Judge almost as soon as he sees my analysis. But wait, he said he likes giving his own analysis way up above as of day 2, but he doesn’t provide any of his own, instead he says L’s is sound and logical. He still doesn’t contribute anything sound, but does give a link to inertinept that’s weak as hell. and the attack finally begins. He attacks me personally based on someone supporting me instantly, although Pyrr disagrees with my analysis of judge seen Oh shit, that was before YDG’s attack. As well as pyrr supporting L, but wait, he can’t support us both? In closing people, we have someone who is seemingly being active, while not actively contributing anything useful, and just rehashing information given by other players, but by quoting larger posts, he can appear to be helping. Remember he A) advocated that people opt for snow (he said he voted for it) to begin with, then opted for fog after others were set on it after arguments by L myself and others. B) he stayed relatively useless, then as soon as he was called out, he makes a valid reason of why he was inactive that any player would normally accept, then goes and breaks that reason to post shoddy analysis, and then rehash more information already given C) He wants us to locate the priest. We don’t need to know the priest as the only job they have is hiding till their resurrect is done. And finding the priest out only helps mafia, it means we would have to go rain (giving mafia 5 KP) to stop the bomber, and then they stack kills and kill priest anyway or force meds elsewhere to take out other targets while sniping the priest before his powers swap. Untop of that he wants to use the priest over and over to get a group of confirmed townies when a game won’t last more than 2 full uses most likely. The logic is faulty and surprisingly people overlook it. D) rehashes more information, then as soon as specific people are targeted from analysis, one solid one not, he opts to defend both of them. WHY, judge already had a reason given by me to get a reaction, but YDG gave us even more, why defend someone with a weak connection that no one would lynch him on? To protect one of his own. He also defends Araav who has a good connection to him, and also someone who has been inactive a large chunk of the game. E) attacks me for having a supporter who is someone actually supporting multiple peoples analysis. These are all major things mafia do to sidetrack the town. YDG obviously wants you to suspect me, as killing me off would remove the double lynches from the town. He also wants top KP for mafia, and a priest found. If you need more information than this to kill him, we won’t last long at all. These two posts are L's analysis on truthbringer and My own on YDG These two should be the only two considered for lynching today, and I am bumping them to prevent them from being buried and missed. | ||
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Regardless, when I die and turn green, I suggest everyone take a good hard look at our emperor (not saying lynch him but keep an eye out for him.) -He says he is good at clue analyzing and then posts crap as analysis and tries to behavior analyze -Since I'm green and he's think he's got me, it shows his behavior analysis sucks - quite akin to the poor hits by mafia when they tried to behavior analyze. -Says he was responsible for the fog plan; nope, check again, page 1, me and motbob start off the thread talking about weather and oh look we decided on fog, something bc clearly neglects to mention. -Says he's helping the town by killing MBH; but oh wait, why would he kill MBH when he says that by Day 2 or 3 we can easily tell his alignment? Unless..oh that's right, priests give out clues when they try to revive someone. Maybe he's trying to use his gosu clue analysis to kill off the priest before the resurrection. -Clearly, to anyone reading the thread not taking part in the game, I'm green. Maybe he thinks that I'm defending myself too hard and I MUST be a blue and, what better power-play than to lynch a blue? -His analysis on me is solid? Whatever happened to "Let's kill ydg because he goes inactive?" So when I'm inactive you want to kill me, and when I'm active, you want to kill me? Why are you so focused on killing me, maybe it's because you think something is odd because I posted so early in the thread and so I must have some sort of special role (either mafia or blue). What else.. -He must be caps-blind or something, how else can he misspell my name millions of times in this thread by posting it in all caps when clearly there are no caps in these three letters? -His profile has a name, Rhaegar, which means (according to urban dictionary) "Untrustworthy person who steals things from his friends." -He uses a 0 instead of an o Anyways, hopefully better clue analyzers will appear and MBH will be successfully revived. Some buried posts:+ Show Spoiler + On July 06 2009 19:06 Lenwe wrote: First of, 'The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all', is (or could be) a quote from the Mulan movie, made by Walt Disney in 1998. I've never seen this movie, nor know anything of the legend behind it, but perhaps some people more knowingly could use this to link the clue further to Araav (or use it to refute the clue ofcourse). Now, some other things that I noticed, this could ofcourse be completely false (I don't have a history of good clue hunting), but perhaps something to consider. This could(!!) be applied to BC himself. He walks arrogantly, as BC has done this game, promoting that he is an experienced player and that he should get the votes. He walks straight into the control room and takes control of it, like he has taken control of the town. Also, while there could be truth in his YDG explanation, he has been feeding us with diffirent suspects after the second post and with most explanations given for those I don't agree. I also don't agree with the fog decision but more on that later. Mr. Julia as the pulsating man could be a clue towards BWDero profile picture. In it is a picture of a man 'pulsating' with lighting, so that could be a clue towards him. The bomb man and the tall, lanky man are hard to find for me, but I'm a pretty sure they are clues. Perhaps we are looking for two friends, or two people who agree a lot with each other in this thread (although they would have to do that before the day 1 post, because they were working as a team already in that post). The method of killing everyone with a bomb could be a clue as well ofcourse. France, Switzerland and perhaps the Netherlands as well are countries famous for their cheese. The cheese factory is such a strange setting I do believe there is a clue there. Finally (for now at least), I think we should vote rain as the weather choice. Mrbabyhands as a proven townie around who we can gather the remaining town is a pretty big thing, considering he is such a good player. Therefor I don't think we should take the risk of the mafia finding out who the priest is and sending the suicide bomb after the priest. Fog reduces their kill power by one, but a good lynch will do the same time. I'm not sure who to lynch right now, but will vote later today and make a new post then. On July 06 2009 11:45 L wrote: I'm going to do this a bit more in depth and with colours, because short posts are easy to swamp with terrible ones if mafia wants to move to the next page. Day 1 Day 2 Red Clues link to TruthBringer: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=TruthBringer First off is the Arrogant look. This links twice to the profile. The first link is via the skeleton picture. Slightly leaning back, the skeleton has the most arrogant possible look I've ever seen put on bones. Bit stretched, but whatever. His name also links here, since it implies that he's somewhat of a cocky guy. The second link is the fact that he kept his eyes peeled; Carbon FC links here: it is a glassy carbon used to make motorcycle visors. Next: Shikyo leaps out of his chair in shock. Well, no fucking shit, a skeleton just broke into the room. Third: The method of death; Explicit reference to a lack of organic matter in Shikyo's head, much like the decayed skull that TruthBringer has. That's not the 'big clue' though. The fact that his head is filled with so much lead that its more metal than flesh, however, is. An entire pistol clip couldn't do that, but a chaingun sure fucking could. Fourth and Lastly: Vivi's death Vivi is cut in half by bullets. Chainguns can do this, pistols cannot, rifles cannot, shotguns would need to be near point blank and fired in a specific pattern to do so. Overall, the chaingun is pretty telling here. Blue clues link to Kuja900. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Kuja900 Note how there's very little solid information directly related to the character besides for his love of explosives. He's the only one I have linked to explosives via his mybrute (I checked all of the one listed in profiles, as of right now, his is the only one with a bomb). He also seems to be fairly quick, which his character is. Between the two, Truthbringer is obviously a far better target, but I haven't found someone who links to explosives as well as Kuja. The fox glove clue can link to digitalis or cardiac drug medicines, but we can wait a day and see if anything extra comes up here. So to recap: Vote the shit out of TruthBringer. On July 06 2009 07:31 HeavOnEarth wrote: I fixed profiles for players, since they weren't included for some reason + Show Spoiler + On July 03 2009 15:31 araav wrote: hey, hey let's see who is who, shall we? + Show Spoiler [users] + ![[image loading]](/images/usericons/P3.gif) Photo: ![[image loading]](/userfiles/11041.jpg?1162781570) Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 29th of September 2004 Birthday: June 19, 1979 Country: Armenia Quote: [The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all.] Total Posts: 1442 Average Posts Per Day: 0.83 Average Posts Per Week: 5.81 Posts made in the last week: 1 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + No public profile for this user. ![[image loading]](/images/usericons/Z5.gif) Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 1st of September 2004 Birthday: June 02, 1986 Country: Canada Quote: [Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !] Total Posts: 2476 Average Posts Per Day: 1.40 Average Posts Per Week: 9.80 Posts made in the last week: 15 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + No public profile for this user. ![[image loading]](/images/usericons/13211.png) Photo: ![[image loading]](/userfiles/13211.gif?1162781567) Joined TL.net: Tuesday, 23rd of November 2004 Birthday: December 15, 1987 Country: Australia Quote: [The Mafia Forum Is Alive: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I'm on a boat] Total Posts: 1897 Average Posts Per Day: 1.13 Average Posts Per Week: 7.91 Posts made in the last week: 35 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + Mafia Forum! And THERE'S the teamliquid rep hiding his gun in the corner, raging about the NDA, i don't think security is going to see this... if he can get that off before it's scouted this will be VERY BAD for the commentator. And THERE HE GOES, this is a FANTASTIC move by the attempted murderer, I'm trying to hide behind the podium, just moving back and forth so he can't get a clear shot as he HARASSES me with the lazer sight, is he going to squeeze off a shot, YES!!!! And my left lung COLLAPSES, that is a HUGE problem for our release schedule! - motbob Source Oh sorry I forgot you can't read binary. - Sonuvbob You're going to cut off this thing first with just a knife, using only ice as a painkiller, hoping you don't fuck up and in case you do, you're going to put salt or pepper on it? This will end well. - Ramsing Source Have a moderate day. - Chill Thank you so much Klockan, this thread had me all depressed SC2 is like christmas when you're 5, to me. This thread was the equivalent of someone saying "let's skip christmas this year". - FrozenArbiter In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams I am the master of vegetable timing rush. - Silver http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=54575 no edits. How varied really was protoss projectiles in BWs? They had goons and cannons that shot the same blue balls and reavers that shot bigger, fatter, longer ranged, buggy blue balls. - IntoTheWannaBe America turtled on island and tech to nukes. Also, some drop harass. - Jyvblamo, On WWII ଈ ![[image loading]](/images/usericons/Z1.gif) BWderoPhoto: ![[image loading]](/userfiles/34581.jpg?1238192112) Joined TL.net: Friday, 15th of February 2008 Birthday: October 15, 1989 Country: Netherlands Quote: [Fuck Kespa.] Total Posts: 401 Average Posts Per Day: 0.80 Average Posts Per Week: 5.60 Posts made in the last week: 12 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + No public profile for this user. ![[image loading]](/images/usericons/T1.gif) Photo: None uploaded. 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The cursed caused him to be nothing more than a vanilla townie as long as the god reign. But Chezinu now has hope! A new god of a new mafia world has appear and Chezinu was fortunate enough to be the 18th soul to be transfer to the new world. If the new god of mafia has favor on Chezinu and remove the curse, there would be great praise to the mighty Plexa! No praise for you!! Why Plexa Why!! ![[image loading]](/images/usericons/P2.gif) Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Thursday, 15th of January 2009 Birthday: May 06, 1990 Country: Bosnia-Herzegovina Quote: [but see women also more useful than men becaues they have vaginas - evanthebouncy] Total Posts: 871 Average Posts Per Day: 5.14 Average Posts Per Week: 35.98 Posts made in the last week: 113 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + No public profile for this user. ![[image loading]](/images/usericons/Z0.gif) Photo: None uploaded. 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Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Friday, 15th of May 2009 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [] Total Posts: 135 Average Posts Per Day: 2.75 Average Posts Per Week: 19.25 Posts made in the last week: 5 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + No public profile for this user. Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Sunday, 1st of February 2009 Birthday: Country: Canada Quote: [http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821] Total Posts: 55 Average Posts Per Day: 0.36 Average Posts Per Week: 2.52 Posts made in the last week: 3 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + Does KGB cheat? http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821 << Comment #7 @ 17:22 GMT, 3 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' changed 'can't decide' to include 'don't cares', since they're the same effectively Edited by Demiurge at 17:25 GMT, 3 March 2009 << Comment #46 @ 07:27 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #7 Not really. For people like me, who've only watched the proof (do i even need inverted commas?) posted here on esr, the only real option is can't decided, because they proof nothing either way. That's not the same as not careing by a long shot. << Comment #52 @ 09:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #46 How is the effect not the same again? I didn't say they were same things, I said they lead to the same. Edited by Demiurge at 09:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #54 @ 10:23 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #52 By USSR Demiurge ++' changed 'can't decide' to include 'don't cares', since they're the same effectively << Comment #55 @ 10:23 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #54 and no, they are not. << Comment #58 @ 10:28 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #55 The effect of one is that no decision is made and the effect of the other is that no decision is made. What are you talking about? << Comment #60 @ 10:31 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #58 Nazis killed 6 million jews. Jews get old and then die. So in both cases jews are dead and it's the same thing. I like your style. << Comment #64 @ 10:36 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #60 "Nazis killed 6 million jews. Jews get old and then die. So in both cases jews are dead and it's the same thing." How the FUCK do you get off just leaving out a word? Its not the SAME THING. But EFFECTIVELY its the same thing. "I like your style." What did you say? You like my hat? Thanks. << Comment #69 @ 10:43 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #64 If you can't see the difference, or let's call it flaw in your argument, then I wonder how the fuck you ever got to work in or study anything technical. But then again, we all come to esreality to read retarded posts, so go ahead. This thread delivers. :> << Comment #73 @ 10:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #69 Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Let me make this very simple for you. A leads to C B leads to C A and B have same effect. A and B are effectively the same. Do you understand now? << Comment #74 @ 10:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #73 No. Can you maybe explain again? I'm a bit slow. << Comment #80 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #74 You have to tell me which step you fail at. 1. A leads to C B leads to C 2. A and B have same effect. 3. A and B are effectively the same. Edited by Demiurge at 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #91 @ 11:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #80 but the point is that the options do not lead to the same effect. If you only want to know if people think he cheats or not, then yes not caring and being unable to decide have the same effect. but if you also want to know how many people don't care about the topic and how many think that the provided data isn't good enough as proof but think its possible that he cheats, then your edit effectively denies them the information. As with a technical observations it's a matter of the scope << Comment #119 @ 15:25 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #91 Yes, obviously some of the information is lost. Yes, I'm throwing A and B together. Yes, the scopeo f this poll is higher then the particularities such as A and B. But this doesn't have anything with the statement that A->C and B->C and therefore A and B are effectively the same, which is a true statement. << Comment #134 @ 17:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #119 only if the relation is transitive, which isn't the case here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitive_relation /edit: or at least I and several others are of the opinion that is isn't... Edited by becks at 17:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #136 @ 18:12 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #134 Of course the relationships are arbitrary. You CAN choose to ignore causality or the transitive relationship "implication", but it makes a lot of other things simply moot. If anyone thinks that way you might as well ignore the poll completely or demand that you can select both Yes and No options at the same time or something. << Comment #138 @ 18:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #136 while nothing of you say is completely wrong you are missing the point. people wanted the information that you took away with your edit, while imo nothing was gained through combining the options. It would have made some sense if it had let to more people to decide on the "yes" or "no" part, but for that you would have to remove the "don't care" option completely instead of adding it to the other option. << Comment #76 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #69 "If you can't see the difference, or let's call it flaw in your argument, then I wonder how the fuck you ever got to work in or study anything technical. " Flaw in my argument? Hello, am I the one who just decided to leave out a key word out of a statement and then proceeded to have an argument about that, totally self-made statement? In what sort of technical field is ignoring whole parts of the equation a good thing? Edited by Demiurge at 11:10 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #78 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #76 In solid state physics, for example. << Comment #81 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Germany - Nordrhein-Westfalen nekon ++' - Reply to #78 lol ughe nerd << Comment #84 @ 10:59 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By pandabearguy KekS ++++ - Reply to #78 he accidently the whole sentence << Comment #85 @ 11:01 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #84 shit . << Comment #56 @ 10:24 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #54 What the fuck is the problem? they're the same effectively You can't read? << Comment #59 @ 10:29 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #56 even if you said they'd lead to the same thing, effectively, it is still not the same, thing or not, effectively. stop being a shit troll. See #48, #49, #51. oh and last time an admin (even site admin) decided to edit other users' posts, people went nuts. what about that? << Comment #63 @ 10:34 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #59 "even if you said they'd lead to the same thing, effectively, it is still not the same, thing or not, effectively. stop being a shit troll." Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Saying they lead to the same is same thing as saying "EFFECTIVELY the same". Stop being plain fucking stupid. "See #48, #49, #51." So there is one dumb person and two trolls? What the point? "oh and last time an admin (even site admin) decided to edit other users' posts, people went nuts. what about that?" Holy jesus christ, god forgive me, everyone is going nuts already. Starting with you. << Comment #67 @ 10:40 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #63 Stop being plain fucking stupid. << Comment #71 @ 10:44 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #67 Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Let me make this very simple for you. A leads to C B leads to C A and B have same effect. A and B are effectively the same. Do you understand now? << Comment #137 @ 18:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By United States of America Lo ++ - Reply to #71 just tell him he doesn't understand how the word 'effectively' changes the meaning of your original statement. so many posts for something that could've been resolved in 2 or 3 posts. << Comment #151 @ 12:30 GMT, 7 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #137 you don't settle arguments involving yeltsin in 2-3 posts. ever. but it's just trolling anyway :> << Comment #68 @ 10:41 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Nuke Explosion raithza ++ - Reply to #59 ESR delivers << Comment #61 @ 10:32 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #56 They are not even close to the same. One option says that you don't care, e.g. haven't looked at the demos, followed the discussion etc while the other options makes clear that you have, in fact, spend some time on it and came to the conclusion that the presented evidence so far is inconclusive. They are not effectively the same, they are not even related. Better options would have been yes/no/inconclusive evidence/dont care. Not saying it matters much anyway, since it's a fun vote. << Comment #66 @ 10:38 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #61 The effect of one is that no decision is made and the effect of the other is that no decision is made. What are you talking about? << Comment #70 @ 10:44 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #66 That's not the correct translation of effectively though, which would be something like for all practical purposes. << Comment #72 @ 10:47 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #70 "Effectively" literally means "With effect". "For all practical purposes" is actually the same thing. Practically, realistically, logically. The point is that the EFFECT of both is the same. << Comment #75 @ 10:52 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #72 your attempt at funny failed. get over it. << Comment #77 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #75 Get over what? Do you have anything meaningful to say, at all? << Comment #79 @ 10:54 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #77 Who are you to judge really, lol! << Comment #82 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #79 Good thing I'm not judging, I'm asking! LOL! << Comment #83 @ 10:58 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #72 No, one refers only to the result, the other to the whole process. Language is not math. Saying locking someone in prison after a trial in accordance with the rule of law is essentialy the same as holding someone hostage in your basement is not true, even though in both cases you restrict the persons freedom to move, so the result is the same. But even if I'd follow your definition, the effect in this pole is not the same. Don't care means no decision at all, inconclusive means a conscious decision not to make a final decision. << Comment #87 @ 11:02 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #83 I can easily see how this happened considering the sensitive topic here, but leave the poles out of this. << Comment #88 @ 11:04 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #87 Lol, will leave this Freudian slip in for comical value :D << Comment #89 @ 11:07 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #88 :D << Comment #90 @ 11:09 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #83 "No, one refers only to the result, the other to the whole process." Which to which? "Language is not math." Depends on how you use it. You can describe math in using English language if you want to. "Saying locking someone in prison after a trial in accordance with the rule of law is essentially the same as holding someone hostage in your basement is not true, even though in both cases you restrict the persons freedom to move, so the result is the same." No, first, saying 'they're essentially the same' is not as saying they're 'effectively the same. Second, saying 'they're effectively the same' is wrong too, because basement is not jail, so the result is NOT the same, but similar. You can, therefore, say that in both cases you're "effectively restring the persons freedom to move". "But even if I'd follow your definition, the effect in this pole is not the same. Don't care means no decision at all, inconclusive means a conscious decision not to make a final decision." First case no decision is made. Second case, no decision is made but a different reason. The effect is the same? << Comment #93 @ 11:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #90 but can you describe language using math? << Comment #97 @ 12:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #90 No, first, saying 'they're essentially the same' is not as saying they're 'effectively the same. Second, saying 'they're effectively the same' is wrong too, because basement is not jail, so the result is NOT the same, but similar. You can, therefore, say that in both cases you're "effectively restring the persons freedom to move"." http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821 Same applies to your statement then? ( also http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/effectively ) Besides, the whole point of the prision example was that whether or not the result is the same depends on what your preconceived notion of what you're comparing is. If you say that the place of inprisonment is of importance to the result, than you're already taking circumstances into your definition of result. That's the way language works and what my "not math" statement was aimed at. There is no objective result the way an equation has a solution. Which is why essentially, for all practical purposes and effectively are all used synonymous. Again, given that effectively only applies to one result, whichever that result may be: First case no decision is made. Second case, no decision is made but a different reason. The effect is the same? It all becomes a case of what we think of as a result in this context. Becks pretty much said it up there http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1666585#pid1666585 . The only "result" that really matters is whether or not the two options are the same for the outcome of the poll . Edited by .syL at 12:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #122 @ 15:43 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #97 Yes, same applies to my statement. However, the point about the scope and what poll is really moot. In the prison example, we have effects that can be interpreted as different. In this case we simple do not. We have A and B or we just have the effect C. There is no intermediaries. This is why I can just say that A and B are effectively the same. Me saying that they are effectively the same basically gets rid of the only other possibility that I care about the original A and B. << Comment #123 @ 15:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #122 See, and this is what I don't get. You have yes/no/informed undecided/don't care. Why are the last two the same? Purly because they are neither yes or no? A yes or no question doesn't necessarily has to have only two possible answers that can be true, and that's the case here. << Comment #128 @ 16:38 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #123 It's semantics of the choice name. I simply included the second half of the 'other' subset in the Yes/No/Other subsets poll that was completely ignored originally. It's Yes/No and just Other and not subcategories of others because those are the simplest all-inclusive choices. 'Yes' and 'No' can be broken down as well, and there is no end to the possibilities as to how anyone reached the answer or DIDN'T reach it, which is the 'Other'. I didn't make this poll. I just amended it to what I saw as including all possibilities. Edited by Demiurge at 16:46 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #143 @ 20:13 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Nuke Explosion raithza ++ - Reply to #123 You know what I think... I think we should have a another poll, related to this one, but not let everyone vote, only limit it to the people that voted don't know/don't care in this one, then have two options in that poll, like one would be for "don't know" and the other one would be for "don't care", and then people would vote and we would know the true answer to this dilemma. and stuff << Comment #109 @ 14:20 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #90 agardenchair aside, the more I think about it the more I feel we're on the same page anyway. We just have different expectations as to what the result of this poll is. I guess that if all you're looking for is whether a majority of users thinks he cheated, with don't care/undecided counting neither towards yes nor no, then I'd agree that it doesn't matter WHY they are undecided. But from my point of view at least, that's not the purpose of this poll*. It is to give an overview of what people think, and in that case distinguishing between don't care and undecided makes sense. *The real purpose of course being drama << Comment #95 @ 12:35 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #66 He's German, he's talking about the German word 'effektiv' the whole time and will not accept the meaning 'in effect' at this time. I think we should effectively declare him the winner, as that seems to be what he's after, or he will go on forever and lo! his freund spyteman has joined him. Edited by agardenchair at 12:37 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #98 @ 12:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #95 No, effectively in english has the same primary meaning as in german. Effectively the way he used it is synonymous with essentially, in fact, for all practical purposes. Edited by .syL at 12:55 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #100 @ 13:10 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #98 Lieber Freund, can you operate google, then hätten Sie see können, dass the English word 'effectlive' can bedeuten both. Ich write in Denglish um to protect you from the eyes of the amused English speaking people areound you, reading your special aggregation of English Wörter with delight. << Comment #101 @ 13:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #100 Are you mentally retarded or just trolling? It's quite clear that no one ever used effectively in the same way as effektiv in german. The whole discussion (examplified by spyte's jew example) was whether effectively (translated as "so far as the result is concerned") only refers to one specific result or takes circumstances into account. And my argument was that there is no difference, since you can't distinguish circumstances from result in most cases. Edited by .syL at 13:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #111 @ 14:45 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #101 he's just a troll, it's best to ignore him. << Comment #114 @ 14:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #111 But where's the fun in that? << Comment #115 @ 14:55 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #101 Dummkopf! Schlafmütze! That difference between result and procecss can be applied to 'effective' and 'efficient' but not here. I can use 'effectively' arbitrarily if I say which effect I wish to look at. Effectively Bayern München won if winning = gaining experience. It is clear to everyone but you what the thread starter meant in this case. Effectively 'uninterested' and 'undecided' are the same because they are not counted as 'yes' or 'no'. << Comment #117 @ 14:57 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #115 <3 << Comment #102 @ 13:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #100 since you seem to know more than you wrote please elaborate on the matter why the sentences "don't care" and "can't decide" are "in effect" the same. (which does not only mean that they "can" lead to the same result!) if you want you may use the synonyms listed here: http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/in effect << Comment #105 @ 14:00 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #102 No, I will not elaborate on this for syl, spyteman or whoever to start another round of Kindergarten banter. Liebe people, groß und klein, from Germany and elsewhere, pull euch gefälligst a little zusammen, wenn you are besuching international websites. Edited by agardenchair at 14:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #107 @ 14:13 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By intelliRocket Blue [mash] ++: - Reply to #105 first drogen experience, genosse? << Comment #116 @ 14:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #107 mash, syl, spyteman and becks vs. agardenchair... should I be troubled? << Comment #118 @ 15:14 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #116 ask your shit troll friend yeltsin for backup << Comment #120 @ 15:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #118 Have you not any shame? I broke things down for you into the simplest way possible and you have nothing to say to that. But you still post around your 'lol failed' and 'lol troll' snotty remarks like a bitter kid? << Comment #121 @ 15:35 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #120 lol troll, you failed! << Comment #124 @ 16:00 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #118 'troll' is a handy word for people like you to use on people like me. Your internet presence depends on words like that, One, who does not have command over many words must find words that can be used like daggers or swords to swing in the face of the unknowing person who is thought of being an enemy. Without the trouble of thinking if it fits or not or even has a meaning. And although I can fully understand it, I have disdain for you, even though I don't even know you. It is a small feeling of disgust. The word 'troll' galls me. People who use it gall me. It's against everything positive, fun or productive I can think of. << Comment #125 @ 16:02 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #124 jonesy > you << Comment #126 @ 16:27 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #125 Okay, although you are writing with someone who is still putting a lot of effort into describing things from his point of view and giving you his time, you go for the spectacularly immature idioms and hieroglyphs of youthful internet lingo to fend off anyone who you deem to be an offender. << Comment #127 @ 16:32 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #126 yup. so what? << Comment #108 @ 14:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #105 wtf? << Comment #110 @ 14:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #105 oh too bad, I had hoped you would try and fail. << Comment #113 @ 14:47 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #110 he went for fail only it seems << Comment #129 @ 17:01 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! tourist ++: - Reply to #113 this thread now has 5 germans in it . this officially qualifies it for the most anal thread in history. << Comment #133 @ 17:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #129 try visiting counterstrike.de << Comment #139 @ 19:36 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! tourist ++: - Reply to #133 yes, but notice that esr is an international site, and as such it's strange that only participants in what's probably the most anal thread ever, are 5 germans and a russian. and me (sry for ruin btw) << Comment #140 @ 19:45 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #139 don't be sorry, your appearance probably made it even more anal. ![[image loading]](/images/usericons/Z6.gif) Photo: ![[image loading]](/userfiles/35074.png?1221677004) Joined TL.net: Monday, 3rd of March 2008 Birthday: October 01, 1991 Country: United States Quote: [http://l0lhi.mybrute.com we can't be sure of anything in this world, it's the only sure thing i know ] Total Posts: 3377 Average Posts Per Day: 6.93 Average Posts Per Week: 48.51 Posts made in the last week: 92 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + C J O S U D L PQ T V X AB FGHI K N R YZ E M W What's the pattern? no really tell me, i have no clue :O ![[image loading]](/images/usericons/T3.gif) Photo: ![[image loading]](/userfiles/40525.jpg?1242052780) Joined TL.net: Monday, 6th of October 2008 Birthday: March 20, 1988 Country: Philippines Quote: [TL Mafia Forum: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| BackHo: zizi yO, Leta: pp, GoRush: a] Total Posts: 1195 Average Posts Per Day: 4.43 Average Posts Per Week: 31.01 Posts made in the last week: 45 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9297/ilovektf.jpg) Photo: None uploaded. 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Joined TL.net: Saturday, 22nd of March 2008 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [The only courage that matters is the kind that gets you from one moment to the next.] Total Posts: 549 Average Posts Per Day: 1.17 Average Posts Per Week: 8.19 Posts made in the last week: 15 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + No public profile for this user. -Took out RebirthofLegend, cause his profile fucked the format. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=RebirthOfLeGenD -Took out all confirmed townies(by death) Weather debate: On July 06 2009 10:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, as we are not 100% decided yet on weather. Sunny - Do not vote for, no decent targets to let assassins loose on, not worth the effort. Snow - Is the potential of their getting an extra KP warrent us wanting more clues. Fog- if we fail lynch, we have a for sure drop of KP again Rain - medics can double protect, bomber can't use his bomb. I personally believe that snow or fog are our best bets today. Reasoning for this. Rain although useful for its stopping of the bomber, I doubt mafia would be dumb enough to waste some of their KP when we have a plan to give a 100% confirmed role town leadership, bomb would be saved for him. Medics also seem to have a hard time protecting the right people. Now, Fog potentially drops KP again (although if we lynch one mafia i doubt this will be the case), and lastly snow Snow allows us to have lists for dt's to check, and give us extra clues for the following day. I recommend pushing fog for now, unless new information comes forward. I just realized, "Rain although useful for its stopping of the bomber, I doubt mafia would be dumb enough to waste some of their KP when we have a plan to give a 100% confirmed role town leadership, bomb would be saved for him." Uh lol. If mafia figures out priest, and are pretty sure of it, they send bomber and confirmed role isn't coming back. On July 06 2009 04:13 TruthBringer wrote: The large faintly warm object seems to be Mr. Julia, one of the mafia guys. He is also described as psychedelic. He is good at combinations, and he cracked the safe. He got startled and his burn wound changed color and pulsated. He went into a crazed assault and then passed out pulsating. There is a LOT of info on Mr. Julia. I just saw this post too, reminds me of like a PHOENIX OR A FUCKING BIRD PYRR ARE YOU MAFIA?? On July 06 2009 06:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Alright, I rounded up all the posts by the dead, including from the voting thread: Fishball: "Passing by. Role confirmed." "I see a lot of math... If that's what you're planning for BC, I'd say lynch MBH first." "I abstain" Shikyo: "Posting to confirm I got my role. Also, I probably won't be able to be as active as in the last Mafia, but I'll be sure to check this at least a couple of times a day." (after death) "Sigh, I've been more busy than I thought I would >< It might continue for a few more days. Anyway, I voted for bloodycobbler solely because I feel that he's the more experienced and solid player. I hope that later tonight I'll have the time to analyse the clues a bit better and actually think about some strategy... sorry everyone :/ Even my liquibet is screwed because of this >< No time to bet." "Hadn't refreshed for a while, and what do I find... well this helps ^_^ GJ mafia targeting an inactive, easy win town." "I vote for BloodyCobbler for now. " Elemenope: "/confirm As for the weather: I don't believe Snow first night would be good, as stated since we don't know how exactly clues are going to be based. However, if we wait too long, then we'll miss a good timing window in my opinion. Snow really peaks at its usefulness once we find our first mafia. After that night, the other weathers outstrip it until either all pledges are dead, all assassinations are used, or all angels are dead in my opinion. But we have to get a mafia within the next 2 days (possibly 1), to make the most use out of it if we ever do decide to do Snow, otherwise it's just too late it seems with a KP of 5. Sunny wouldn't be a good option either for first weather since we have no good targets. As for Fog or Rain; I believe going for Rain would be the better option. Although there would be a guaranteed drop in KP if we do Fog; Angels only have one protection and there are no second lives for other players (except the angels themselves). With a KP of 5; and only 2 protections available, some of our better contributors can die early on and that would be a massive blow to the town. We can drop that to 4 with Fog, but that'd still leave 2 important people to die (possibly). With 4 protections though, we'd have a better protection spread among the town, and we'd also have the possibility of reducing KP through stacked hits on top of that (which I think is the more likely scenario that will happen if we do Rain). And although the chance of a suicide bomber on night one is unlikely, we'd still lock him out if we do Rain, in comparison to the possible scenario of the bomber taking out somebody on the medic list *and* the angel(s) protecting him on night one. I just feel that the risk of having 2 important, contributing members of the town die is just too great compared to double angel protection and most likely forcing mafia to stack hits Can anybody tell me if I'm wrong in this thinking of Rain over Fog before I send in my vote?" "Also, Plexa: Can mafia target their own members for hits?" "WHY AREN'T YOU WARDING THE WHOLE GAME YOU CUNTBUCKET" "hurrdurr" "I abstain from voting." Vivi57: no posts in main thread "just got added to the forum, so I'll abstain for now it's 6:30 in the morning now so I'll read the thread when i'm not half asleep" "I change my vote from abstain to BloodyCobbler reason: bc seems like a solid choice and there's no major flaws in his plan. bc over L because after L's 50 pages of spam with ace last game, I have 0 confidence in his ability edit: bolded properly" BONUS: JeeJee: "also shikyo is mafia" On July 06 2009 14:03 Malongo wrote: To be honest i have looked a lot into clues and I think you fit well into Mr Julia. My reasoning: There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer (Hi. Nub. Lawl. Ez!!) to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations (see your profile) and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate (google search on you returns http://www.heavenearth.co.uk/ oxygen+fire => combustion also from that page "Oxygen Supplementation - a Key to Vibrant Health".) “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out. Last note to the fact that Mr Julia has a female name and the suplement is focused on women (see pictures in page). Im voting to lynch Heavonearth. If anything else is buried, please post. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3469 Posts
a) Ls clue analisis is decent. b) This lynch is a gamble anyways. c) Again Ls behavioral analisis is decent. So this gamble is more likely to give us more "implied odds" in case of success. If we fail... we lynch heavonearth  . For weather i think that snow is the best this time. Sunny is useless, rain too because angel protection is doubled on target, that means we get 2 people protected anyways and i really think mafia wont double their hits until they found one of their hits didnt pass. So we have fog and snow. Fog is good, it gives us -1 kp. However we wont be able to make a checklists of these lists (not too important) and we lose the chance to get a countercheck to our list of clues. I think this will be the only day when we are not in a bad position to get more clues. Next day we wil need to decrease mafia kp to assure that mbh gets back and then rain to protect him. So im voting SNOW | ||
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ydg
United States690 Posts
Too bad, I had accepted it and all... | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On July 07 2009 11:12 Malongo wrote: Ok since L is taking a good point and nobody sane will risk following me ill change and follow him this time. Hey look at your list look who is next after the 3 first... yeah heavonearth. Im going with truthbringer because: a) Ls clue analisis is decent. b) This lynch is a gamble anyways. c) Again Ls behavioral analisis is decent. So this gamble is more likely to give us more "implied odds" in case of success. If we fail... we lynch heavonearth . For weather i think that snow is the best this time. Sunny is useless, rain too because angel protection is doubled on target, that means we get 2 people protected anyways and i really think mafia wont double their hits until they found one of their hits didnt pass. So we have fog and snow. Fog is good, it gives us -1 kp. However we wont be able to make a checklists of these lists (not too important) and we lose the chance to get a countercheck to our list of clues. I think this will be the only day when we are not in a bad position to get more clues. Next day we wil need to decrease mafia kp to assure that mbh gets back and then rain to protect him. So im voting SNOW First off You don't even know how rain works, and the fact your opting for more clues over less mafia KP means your an idiot. MBH has what, 20 pages of behavioural analysis to use (the kid can snipe people insanely easily off that) and your like "hey guys lets lose 5 people tonight" And didnt you learn anything last game by sucking on L's nuts? he got a green mayor killed, caused the vice to suicide, and protected a 100% mafia, and you say his shit is sane, just wow. | ||
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Canada4732 Posts
On July 07 2009 11:00 Foolishness wrote: I don't think that anyone has defended truthbringer at all, it seemed to me that BC wanted to kill ydg over truthbringer. However if you're talking about us burying the posts then I can't deny that. You seem to think that I'm all friendly friendly with BC. Let me clarify some things for you. I am in no way associated with BC nor do I ever intend on it. If you look back in the thread I was yelling at his campaign the first day. I think BC is a terrible player and I cannot wait for MBH is revived so the two of you will shut up. Yes, I know I voted for him, but given the choice between the two of you I simply chose who I thought would be the lesser of two evils, and for the most part I feel it's better to vote than to abstain. And as for the ydg vote, I suspected him the first day and that's why I voted for him again (although I will admit I am also suspicious of TruthBringer). So please don't associate me with that idiot. You didn't just vote for him. You were a tiebreaker vote. More than that, advocating a new lynch target is the exact same thing as defending someone as long as you can throw enough posts onto the thread to burn the clock down. At this point, since I've raised such a royal shitstorm about it, no one's going to bother trying to keep it under wraps, they're going to push another target instead. So yeah, if you don't agree with the idiot, vote for truth bringer today and MBH will be revived tomorrow and we can all follow him then. Cool beans? Rofl, man your insanely deluded. For wanting to hit a better target. You've admitted on your own that a single theme wraps up a character, yet you have a zealot/tank who needs to be partnered with someone and shoots nets and bombs things as your analysis on araav. Again, your analysis on YDG isn't analysis. Your original reason for killing him is long gone, was innaccurate in the first place, and the rest of your reasons are brought up can be applied to you. What's more, you and I both agreed that you're more likely to be godfather than a random joe, so listening to blindly, as you'd wish us to, is lucridious. I'm not going to waste any time on the rest of the post except to tell people to look at all the points BC ignored, and to look how he attacks me as a person instead of trying to deal with my points. Bit frantic, if you ask me. | ||
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