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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On July 07 2009 02:48 LucasWoJ wrote: Rapid cognition = something resembling one's intuition. I don't think I understand your question though. Fair enough, I don't understand your vote, so we're even! | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On July 07 2009 01:37 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: For example ydg goes "if the priest roleclaims publicaly, once we have the mafia down to 4 kp, put all angels on him and vote rain every day, mafia can never kill the priest." But if he had read the thread, then he would have realized that "Oh wow! The priest role changes hands after every resurrection!", hence putting all angels on one player and voting rain, yes eliminates the suicide bomber, but 1) Leaves MBH wide open for hits 2) Puts our prots on one person who is now a townie. | ||
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ydg
United States690 Posts
On July 07 2009 03:30 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: But if he had read the thread, then he would have realized that "Oh wow! The priest role changes hands after every resurrection!", hence putting all angels on one player and voting rain, yes eliminates the suicide bomber, but 1) Leaves MBH wide open for hits 2) Puts our prots on one person who is now a townie. Read my quote. once we have the mafia down to 4 kp I realize it's a bad plan but it gives us a slew of confirmed townies, which is what bLOODYc0BBLER wanted with killing MBH, right? | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On July 07 2009 03:46 ydg wrote: Read my quote. once we have the mafia down to 4 kp I realize it's a bad plan but it gives us a slew of confirmed townies, which is what bLOODYc0BBLER wanted with killing MBH, right? I read the quote. I still pointed out the fallacies in it. We'll have two confirmed townies when the MBH rezz is complete, hopefully. The other part of BC's plan which you are inherently missing is the point of specifically choosing MBH. MBH is pretty well going to lead the town after this. Yes, confirmed townies are great, but only if we're trading them for mafia snipes, which we need a living MBH for. | ||
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ydg
United States690 Posts
Stop rehashing it plzthx. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
there goes all the hard work and planning lol. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On July 07 2009 01:37 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Also, I do not think ydg's posts are deliberately misleading at all, but rather reflect someone simply changing his mind as he learns more about the game. Some of your analysis is off as well BC. You need to read posts in the context of the thread, not in a vacuum. For example ydg goes "if the priest roleclaims publicaly, once we have the mafia down to 4 kp, put all angels on him and vote rain every day, mafia can never kill the priest." You takes this and reply with "Ydg wants us to concentrate on finding out who the priest is." This seems to me like a deliberate twisting of his words - ydg posted a possible plan of action in the case of the priest publically revealing himself - not a plan to figure out the priest, which could only be done through clues. It's a stupid plan and obviously not worth the effort, but maybe that is why absolutely nobody replied to it! The entirety of your post is like this. I'm not going to discuss every piece of it. It really gives off the impression that you are grasping at straws here, rather than forming an insightful analysis of someone's postings. My advice applies to everyone: READ POSTS IN THE CONTEXT OF THE THREAD, NOT IN A VACUUM iNfuNdiBuLuM, you have abstained from voting thus far. If you really think ydg is innocent, why have you not taken any direct action against it? The vote (at least right now) is close and you have yet to accuse anyone else or suggest that someone else be lynched instead of ydg. That being said, the summary of your post here reads, "We should not listen to BC, but I could care less who dies". It seems to me you are against BC, not against ydg being lynched. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
A few samples..+ Show Spoiler + That is by far the most useless post in this topic, and that's quite a feat considering there's already a bunch of other useless posts. Oh yes I'm sorry, I should be listening to you because you're smarter than me and a better player than me right? Even though you hardly know anything about me you must be a better player than me, it only makes sense. The fact that you think my posts are useless (I know some of them are relax) just shows how annoying you are. And I'll be damned if when you're elected Emperor you don't lynch MrBabyHands; I'm sure you're just going to wait until tomorrow to actually start figuring out the mafia. The people I've talked to seem to think this is an incredible exaggeration, but I'm going to assume that's just a minor discrepancy. Earlier you said that you can "almost guarentee" that one of you, L, and BC is the Godfather. Based on this statement, does that mean you now think L is the Godfather? Unless you want to claim to be the Godfather instead... That's a joke right? I assume you're just running for emperor because you know L/BC are going to lynch you first, which explains you're lack of any useful information. And if you do happen to get elected, if you don't kill a mafia first night I'm sure BC/L and other important players are going to move to lynch you the next day. That being said I'm sure you've already figured out someone who is mafia (under the assumption that you are not mafia of course) so you should just probably come out with it now, or at the very least PM the important people about it. Either way you're time alive is very short, if you have useful information you're better off sharing it, not making useless posts about running for emperor with some "quick notes" that are as useless as JeeJee's campaign. Earlier you had stated if elected you would've killed BC. Your reasoning makes it sound that BC should've killed you instead of MrBabyHands. You're advocating that killing MrBabyHands was a bad idea (or at the very least, there was better options) yet the other alternative that YOU suggest would be BC killing you. That being said, had it still been up to you, who would you have lynched that's not BC? That is by far the most brilliant post in this mafia game. You need to change that "shit" to "good analysis", then move the shit in between "L's" and "posts", then change sad face to happy face. All better! Enough lulz, now for actual mafia-ing. StorZerg. Previously inactive, who came back after a bunch of other people came back, and starts posting silly questions that can all be answered by reading the OP ("hai gaiz hao duz rezrekshun wurk?") thus giving the pretense of activity without actually being active at all. FoS #2:StorZerg p.s. it's a good thing there's only 8 mafia otherwise i'd run out of fingers lolol. thumbofsuspicion ftw | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On July 07 2009 05:26 Foolishness wrote: iNfuNdiBuLuM, you have abstained from voting thus far. If you really think ydg is innocent, why have you not taken any direct action against it? The vote (at least right now) is close and you have yet to accuse anyone else or suggest that someone else be lynched instead of ydg. I abstained last night because I hadn't read the thread. After reading it, not a whole lot of the clue analysis had brought up any links I felt were particularly strong. Maybe truthbringer. Maybe the pulsating colorful wound link to iLoveKT's picture. But that's about it. I'll vote when I feel like it. Why do I have to suggest an alternative? Being unsatisfied with the current options does not mean I have to put forth new ones, especially if I can't find anything worthwhile (I have looked). That being said, the summary of your post here reads, "We should not listen to BC, but I could care less who dies". It seems to me you are against BC, not against ydg being lynched. No, that is not what I said in my post. I said BC had taken some of ydg's posts and misrepresented them. I want to make sure others reading the thread are aware of this. I didn't say anything about lynching someone else, but that doesn't mean I "don't care who dies." edit: fixed tags | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
Also, I take it we are not double lynching today? BC hasn't said anything about that I don't think. Personally I don't think we have any strong enough suspects to o a double lynch. If we do it next day, we can create 2 lists to be checked as long as Fog isn't voted in. Which leads me to my next: I haven't seen many people talking about what weather they are voting in. I am voting in rain - last thing I want to see is the priest getting kamikaze'd. It's a close call between rain and fog though, because there's no guarantee the mafia or the medics will figure out who the priest is, and we can gamble that and shave off a kp. Hm. Rain seems safer because it prevents the worst case scenario. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On July 07 2009 06:29 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: And yes, at this point I think ydg is innocent. I would prefer not lynch him. If he does get lynched, his alignment will play a large part in how we think about BC. Are we willing to give up a day just for that, when he can be rolechecked? Also, I take it we are not double lynching today? BC hasn't said anything about that I don't think. Personally I don't think we have any strong enough suspects to o a double lynch. If we do it next day, we can create 2 lists to be checked as long as Fog isn't voted in. Do you think the DT's are in a good position to be list checking right now? I believe it was previously discussed that list checkings are useful only if coordinated properly. It seems a bit early for that to be happening. Not to mention, 13 people still haven't voted. What if none of the pledges have voted yet? So much for list checking.... | ||
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ydg
United States690 Posts
Seeing how their last hits failed to hit any blues except Shikyo, then I'm guessing their behavior analysis isn't great. Rain also frees up the list checks, so when my green blood flows, you can see how many of those evil minion pledges were quick to jump on the bandwagon (or not and vote for someone else in an attempt to seem non-bandwagon-y) So do we play conservatively or aggressively? | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On July 07 2009 06:50 Foolishness wrote: Do you think the DT's are in a good position to be list checking right now? I believe it was previously discussed that list checkings are useful only if coordinated properly. It seems a bit early for that to be happening. Not to mention, 13 people still haven't voted. What if none of the pledges have voted yet? So much for list checking.... Like I said I would rather double lynch (and hopefully list check) Day 3. Even if the mystic can't contact anyone immediately, he has this information and can use it at his discretion. Of course if he gets killed then... that sucks. And honestly the longer we wait, the more chance that the mystic dies before he gets to do the check. AFAIK the list check only is done after voting finishes and the lynch happens. You can't list check in the middle of an election. If none of the pledges vote, then they don't show up on the list check, so guess where they are.... in the list of non-voters! As always, the biggest obstacle (as it should be) is coordinating tt. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
I'll vote for rain  | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On July 07 2009 00:50 Foolishness wrote: You need to change that "shit" to "good analysis", then move the shit in between "L's" and "posts", then change sad face to happy face. All better! Haha, Ace and I were having a chat about you being a retard before you posted this. Then you posted this and confirmed it. No matter how you slice it, you're on tricode/vivi levels of stupid. And now, back to reading. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On July 07 2009 07:26 L wrote: Haha, Ace and I were having a chat about you being a retard before you posted this. Then you posted this and confirmed it. No matter how you slice it, you're on tricode/vivi levels of stupid. And now, back to reading. You conspire with Ace? Now I know that you are indeed as bad as him. It's a good thing you believe in MrBabyHands because I would not expect someone of your level to grasp the behavioral analysis he performs. I'm sure you would much rather gloat in your clue analysis as you drown out all the actual useful posts in the mafia game. If I was trying to sabotage the town I'd surely use your posts as a guide. I'll give you some credit for not being as bad as JeeJee though. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On July 07 2009 06:03 motbob wrote: JeeJee vs Foolishness round 2: whoever wins, we lose you make it sound like I have a chance of losing to a monkey | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Lets examine the general course of conversation this game has taken. We started talking in general terms about weather. We then slid into a chat about what type of mafia one would send into the election. The answer was simple: the godfather. Elections went on, some odd voting happened, then we nearly completely dropped the topic. Why is this important? Because BC is acting incoherently in his role. BC will criticize ydg for 'flip flopping', but flip flops himself, posting: On July 05 2009 14:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ydg Ecomania Elemenope Kuja Scamp If elected, i will be random # generating from this list. Ydg as he tends to go inactive for alot of a game in most games (sorry bud but inactives kill the game) Elemenope seems shifty to me based on a question he asked previously in the thread, ecomania, kuja and scamp due to general inactivity then essentially going "oh wait nevermind, i'm going to kill a power player instead" 40 minutes later. Regardless of the wisdom of the plan, BC can't be pointing out other people for changing their minds when he's been the biggest flip flopper in the game when it comes down to concrete life or death decisions. More importantly, check that list: Who's number 1 there? The person BC is trying to get the town to bandwagon right now. Okay, fair enough, he's had a grudge and has been searching for shit to pin on ydg despite not having ANY clue information to back his claims up. There's obviously more poor argumention from him, quite a bit of it stemming from kill MBH plan and a bit more coming from previous conversations. That alone isn't enough to pin someone as being mafia. Tricode last game was throwing up complete garbage posts, but he was just an idiot townie. What makes BC special is WHO his friends are and WHEN they support him. Next: Lets take a gander at the vote lists: BloodyC0bbler [13] TruthBringer Pyrrhuloxia HeavOnEarth ydg LucasWoJ Shikyo BWdero Falcynn Scaramanga Faronel StorZerg Foolishness Vivi57 L [10] So no fek iNfuNdiBuLuM Chezinu ecomania motbob GoodWill iLoveKT Malongo chaoser JeeJee Abstain [9] redtooth BloodyC0bbler Fishball Bockit Lenwe vx70GTOJudgexv araav Elemenope MrBabyHands The bolded member of the list are special because they correspond to typical voting periods for mafia members on a mafia candidate. Mafia will seed a list to get a bandwagon running, then let it grow a bit on its own, sprinkling a few extra votes in the middle, but holding most of their members back if they need to make a last minute push. The early voters? TruthBringer and Pyrr. TruthBringer has been silent and is by far our best clue link, and Pyrr defends BC fanatically, throwing a few red herrings at other players now and then. The two bolded votes further down correspond to the 11th and 12th votes for BC respectively, the votes needed to overcome the fact that I hadn't yet voted and assure the win for BC. Foolishness is posting useless comments and poor analysis all over the thread, adding to the 'chaos' that BC was talking about when referring to flip flopping. StorZerg Is nearly 100% silent. The italicized members are those that have been put under suspicion in the past few pages. That said, there are likely only 3-5 mafia on that list, with the other 3-5 being on me or abstaining. Since I'm in the unique position of knowing that mafia would only vote for me to camouflage themselves (unless they wanted to warp my mind and control my precious fog votes), This tells me that BC is far too likely to be mafia to be followed in bandwagons. Lets examine those people who have been following: Araav - 3 Storzerg Pyrrhuloxia So no fek YDG - 5 Foolishness vx70GTOJudgexv BloodyC0bbler iLoveKTF Falcynn Out of the 5 most likely mafia members, 3 of them are seeding bandwagon lists to deflect the pressure put on a fourth member: TruthBringer. Wake the fuck up. Don't take my word for granted either. Think this shit through yourself. Town is getting fucking RAPED right now. We aren't active and the mafia are actively putting up walls of shit posts to throw you off and make you too lazy to go back and find quality information. | ||
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