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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 03 2009 23:00 GMT
#160
Potentially, the explosive part could refer to the suicide bomber and something near it like the pillar crashing down could point toward who the suicide bomber is.
Pyrrhuloxia
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United States6700 Posts
July 03 2009 23:12 GMT
#165
On July 04 2009 08:02 HeavOnEarth wrote:
well im all for lynching inactive players and as emperor i will ensure this~! only exception is MBH to me i guess

wuts this about MBH?
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 03 2009 23:16 GMT
#168
On July 04 2009 08:14 HeavOnEarth wrote:
well doesnt he wait a day or two before he posts usually?

oh you mean you won't lynch him even though he doesn't talk much, that makes sense. I thought you were (jokingly) saying you would lynch mbh even if he was active or something because you didn't like him.
Pyrrhuloxia
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United States6700 Posts
July 03 2009 23:17 GMT
#170
On July 04 2009 08:15 HeavOnEarth wrote:
also if you google RebirthOfLeGenD
you get GIANTBOMB !!!!!
haha
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=RebirthOfLeGenD&btnG=Search&cts=1246662798253&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

? When I follow that link I see an Indian movie and a Japanese 360 game...
Pyrrhuloxia
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United States6700 Posts
July 03 2009 23:20 GMT
#174
On July 04 2009 08:19 HeavOnEarth wrote:
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On July 04 2009 08:17 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On July 04 2009 08:15 HeavOnEarth wrote:
also if you google RebirthOfLeGenD
you get GIANTBOMB !!!!!
haha
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=RebirthOfLeGenD&btnG=Search&cts=1246662798253&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

? When I follow that link I see an Indian movie and a Japanese 360 game...

really? is your.. safesearch on? O_o

no
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 04 2009 00:20 GMT
#178
Because there's less activity than in my game but maybe I'm impatient and the other time zones will kick in soon.
Pyrrhuloxia
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United States6700 Posts
July 04 2009 03:52 GMT
#187
On July 04 2009 10:30 L wrote:
First impressions, midway through page 8: HeavOn is 100% right about the likely hood of one of us being GF compared to him. His chance is a straight 1/38, ours are much higher.

That said, that was the exact same reasoning we used to almost get randombum into mayor during mafia 2 (LOL WAY TO GO INACTIVE MAFIA MEMBERS). We got him pardoner instead, which ended up netting us some info, so I'd suggest people vote the person they're most comfortable with. I personally can't favor the math here because I know i'm 100% innocent, which forces me to favor my candidacy.

As for one of us three being GF, I can see mafia advancing GF to take DT checks and establish a fake circle of trust, but GF isn't a standard mafia member in this game. He has a straight KP and Cover, which might FAR outweigh the risk/reward of getting into office, but it seems to me from my initial analysis that that's not the case. Either way, even if its favorable, most players play suboptimally in all mafia games, so it wouldn't be surprising if the GF wasn't running.

The reason WHY pre-running was removed is that it gives the pre-running player a much lower risk of getting in, and the move is made pre-role distribution which means that their candidacy gives us nearly zero information.

Moving onto page 9 now.

This is gonna be like learning Santa Claus isn't real all over again (hope I didn't spoil anyone), but the people who run these games don't usually assign the roles in a perfectly random way. They usually make sure a total noob doesn't become GF, for example, and the GF is usually randomized around until it lands on a player who is at least somewhat experienced, which fits all three people running. Don't forget that a player who announces their candidacy before the election can always pull out after the game starts if they roll blue and don't want to draw attention to themselves, or are green and would rather a blue win, or are red and don't want to get checked or have the cover on them all game long (for any of these reasons they could come up with some excuse not related to the game). Any GF who started running before receiving their role would certainly yell "jackpot!" and stay in the race. Heavonearth's chances of being GF are certainly higher than 1/38, and, all things considered, probably not very different compared to L's or BC's.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 04 2009 03:56 GMT
#188
On July 04 2009 12:01 Chezinu wrote:
These clues are hard..I tried finding something to get the town talking about clues but found nothing..

Stuff I found important:
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The bodyguards were strung up on lines like a human clothes line.
a maid?
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Both were flattened into human pancakes.
pancakes was so close to Plexa's icon. Anyways, possibly a cook?
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He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device.

tried searching tall and lanky on the forums but just found Rekurl

So I basicly wasted a lot of time trying to find something..

BC does the cooking section for the Pony Express. Rekrul is in Chaoser's profile. 5000 minerals and 2500 gas say that neither of those passages link to those two.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 05 2009 21:01 GMT
#272
Alright, seems like BC is on the right track here. Plexa's priest clue looks indecipherable so we should be able to get MBH up and running if we're lucky. I'm gonna go ahead and guess based on MBH being green, as well as L and BC claiming to be green, plus some other info, that roles are legitimately randomized. Based on the kill list I am inclined to believe the mafia are noobs given that the people they killed out of a town with only a few people posting are 4 people with a combined 1 post (according to Chezinu, haven't double checked that). The foundation is set for a good game! Gonna make clue analysis and make another post with it.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 05 2009 21:04 GMT
#273
I'd also like to say that BC's plan shift makes it less likely that he is mafia since before he was asking to be checked and role claimed to, but now he is setting up a safer plan that would result in rallying around / claiming to MBH instead of himself. Combined with my kill list assessment, I'd have to guess there wasn't a mafia candidate unless it was Heavonearth.
Pyrrhuloxia
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Last Edited: 2009-07-20 23:43:59
July 05 2009 21:26 GMT
#274
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hey, hey

let's see who is who, shall we?

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#277
here's a couple of possible links from the first paragraph I'm gonna have to do the rest later tonight or tomorrow cuz I haven't slept in too long and stuff is pulsating -

"shock" -> BWDero's profile pic
"metal inside of Shikyo’s head" -> could be a reference to a mafia being a "metalhead" (fan of metal music) like Falcynn's profile pic or something (it's a rabbit headbanging)
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 05 2009 21:44 GMT
#278
On July 06 2009 06:41 L wrote:
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a few people posting are 4 people with a combined 1 post (according to Chezinu, haven't double checked that)


Please, by all means, go double check.

why don't you double check I wanna sleep
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 05 2009 21:54 GMT
#279
Alright, I rounded up all the posts by the dead, including from the voting thread:

Fishball:
"Passing by.
Role confirmed."
"I see a lot of math...
If that's what you're planning for BC, I'd say lynch MBH first."
"I abstain"

Shikyo:
"Posting to confirm I got my role. Also, I probably won't be able to be as active as in the last Mafia, but I'll be sure to check this at least a couple of times a day."
(after death)
"Sigh, I've been more busy than I thought I would >< It might continue for a few more days. Anyway, I voted for bloodycobbler solely because I feel that he's the more experienced and solid player. I hope that later tonight I'll have the time to analyse the clues a bit better and actually think about some strategy... sorry everyone :/ Even my liquibet is screwed because of this >< No time to bet."
"Hadn't refreshed for a while, and what do I find... well this helps ^_^ GJ mafia targeting an inactive, easy win town."
"I vote for BloodyCobbler for now. "

Elemenope:
"/confirm

As for the weather: I don't believe Snow first night would be good, as stated since we don't know how exactly clues are going to be based. However, if we wait too long, then we'll miss a good timing window in my opinion. Snow really peaks at its usefulness once we find our first mafia. After that night, the other weathers outstrip it until either all pledges are dead, all assassinations are used, or all angels are dead in my opinion. But we have to get a mafia within the next 2 days (possibly 1), to make the most use out of it if we ever do decide to do Snow, otherwise it's just too late it seems with a KP of 5.

Sunny wouldn't be a good option either for first weather since we have no good targets.

As for Fog or Rain; I believe going for Rain would be the better option. Although there would be a guaranteed drop in KP if we do Fog; Angels only have one protection and there are no second lives for other players (except the angels themselves). With a KP of 5; and only 2 protections available, some of our better contributors can die early on and that would be a massive blow to the town. We can drop that to 4 with Fog, but that'd still leave 2 important people to die (possibly). With 4 protections though, we'd have a better protection spread among the town, and we'd also have the possibility of reducing KP through stacked hits on top of that (which I think is the more likely scenario that will happen if we do Rain).

And although the chance of a suicide bomber on night one is unlikely, we'd still lock him out if we do Rain, in comparison to the possible scenario of the bomber taking out somebody on the medic list *and* the angel(s) protecting him on night one.

I just feel that the risk of having 2 important, contributing members of the town die is just too great compared to double angel protection and most likely forcing mafia to stack hits

Can anybody tell me if I'm wrong in this thinking of Rain over Fog before I send in my vote?"
"Also, Plexa: Can mafia target their own members for hits?"
"WHY AREN'T YOU WARDING THE WHOLE GAME YOU CUNTBUCKET"
"hurrdurr"
"I abstain from voting."

Vivi57:
no posts in main thread
"just got added to the forum, so I'll abstain for now

it's 6:30 in the morning now so I'll read the thread when i'm not half asleep"
"I change my vote from abstain to BloodyCobbler

reason: bc seems like a solid choice and there's no major flaws in his plan. bc over L because after L's 50 pages of spam with ace last game, I have 0 confidence in his ability

edit: bolded properly"

BONUS:

JeeJee:
"also shikyo is mafia"
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 05 2009 21:58 GMT
#280
I'd say that mafia's strat was to hope to find blues among inactives. Only one that doesn't fit that is Elemenope. Maybe they thought all the talking about Rain over Fog was an Angel tell? In any case, I'm not sure we had to kill MBH cuz this kill list would have told me he couldn't have been mafia
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 06 2009 04:03 GMT
#308
Alright, here's what I put in the voting thread:

Foxglove seeds "will thrive in shade and tolerate dry soil"

[image loading]

Also, a nice looking flower.

Araav's quote: "The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all."

I googled "foxglove rare" and there are multiple rare species of foxglove.

2EZ, I vote Araav.

Truthbringer analysis is good, but there are so many other gun related profiles that it find the odds of him being mafia are lessened, not to mention the idea that it could be a "metalhead" reference or something else like Falcynn's profile. Like BC, I can't find any other good link to Araav and the link to Araav seems ironclad.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 06 2009 04:15 GMT
#312
On the entusman thing: entusman to enterman seems highly unlikely to me. Also, So No Fek has "entusman" in his profile, too. There are even more Entus fans, I'm sure.

Also, with the Truthbringer thing. If L's analysis is correct, that's way too many clues for one Day post, especially without Snow in active. Could be that only one is intentional, but I can't imagine Plexa thinking that 5 separate links to the same guy in one post on Day 2 makes sense. I mean I did something like that, but it was a novice game and it was Day 5 or so. Still, more links increase the odds and that's a lot of links.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 06 2009 04:21 GMT
#314
On July 06 2009 13:13 L wrote:
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there are so many other gun related profiles
Name some.

The only other solid link to a gun is Scaramanga.

well LucasWoJ has several metal weapons, shock could refer to BWDero or JeeJee's quote about fear, I already mentioned it could be way of hinting at metal rock. That's already many more possible alternative causalities for those passages than I've found for foxglove seeds, which is why Araav is higher on my target priority list currently.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 06 2009 04:45 GMT
#321
well what are you finding for this foxglove thing? seems too random to me to not be a clue. and ya i respect BC as a player, so when he says something I think it's worth cross-checking to see if it's a good idea. In araav's case it is. In Judge's case, entusman -> enterman makes no sense and I say so.

As for how Plexa could know about foxglove - I know of them from alchemy in Oblivion and from googling it seems they are used by real life people who believe in magic so maybe Plexa read about them in a fantasy novel or something.

Oh also, i just googled "blooms in adversity" to see where the quote comes from, and it comes from the Disney movie Mulan. Foxglove is a Disney character from Rescue Rangers so maybe that triggered his mind, I dunno.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 06 2009 16:52 GMT
#355
On July 06 2009 23:33 ydg wrote:
Oh and "pulsate" can refer to http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=iLoveKT who hasn't been posting at all here, yet is active enough to vote.

Yeah, it could be related to synesthesia. iLoveKT's profile shows audio information in a visual way, it could be that he influences his victims to see pain / heat in a visual way through color.
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