EPT[GG] Mafia XII - The Summer Season - Page 2
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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Chezinu
United States7464 Posts
If we go with fog we live longer which will enable more lynches down the road, but we wouldn't be able to role check, which doesn't even matter: You may PM me asking about the number of Mafia who voted for a particular person to be lynched (not elected) three times total If we go with snow we get more clues, especially since day 1 clues are usually weak. I don't think rain would be a good option right now since the angels wouldn't really know who to protect. Sunny weather would be pointless because we don't have any suspects yet. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On July 03 2009 03:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Plexa do you know when the day post/office voting will start? I want to start things at 00:00 KST Saturday (in 21 hours) but that will depend on whether or not people post to signify that they have their roles | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On June 29 2009 09:38 HeavOnEarth wrote: I would like to announce my candidacy for Emperor before the game starts and roles are assigned. from previous thread | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
I can obv post in this thread. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
well, maybe fog would be a good option. | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
It's got to be fog or snow. Fog and snow decrease in usefulness as the game goes on, while the other 2 weathers increase in usefulness. The way I see it snow gives us information and the other abilities let us act on that information... acting obviously comes after knowing  | ||
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Falcynn
United States3597 Posts
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LucasWoJ
United States936 Posts
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Lenwe
Netherlands757 Posts
Too hot to play mafia over here, thank god it is cooling down this weekend. | ||
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rredtooth
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
I notice that in the sign ups, Plexa said the assassin's can't attack on Day 1, but that's not in the first post here. Doesn't really matter since I doubt we'll have assassin worthy suspects on Day 1, so Sunny is probably not a good idea. I think Snow will actually not be that helpful this early because getting twice as many Day 1 clues is probably not going to be that helpful. We don't know how Plexa is doing clues either... KP is... holy fuck 5! So I guess that means at least 5 clues per day post and Snow probably doubles that? Maybe Snow just adds a constant number or multiplies the clue number by less than 2, who knows... OK nvm, we wouldn't get more Day 1 clues but Day 2 clues so this could be pretty helpful. Foggy weather is a decent choice. I guess we don't know what the ratio of mafia to pledge is but we might be able to figure it out if we use this. But with such a high KP, it might be great to have a guaranteed KP drop. We might want an early vote check though, depending on how voting looks. Rain is also great. Although the suicide bomber is unlikely to attack at the start, we only have 2 medics for a ~40 person game (compare to my game which had 3 for a ~30 person game) so a boost would help a lot and up the deterrent power of a medic list. DECISION CALCULUS: More clues don't necessarily help - they often cause people to become suspicious in ways that the clue writer hadn't predicted at all. 5 KP is a ton so I think we should work on lessening that unless we figure out Plexa's clue writing style (has he run a game before? If so, definitely post about his writing style if you were in it). I would guess there are 2-6 pledges, so that would mean fog would drop KP by 0-1... OK, I think that means there have to be at least 4 Pledges because otherwise Fog wouldn't even lower KP on Day 1. So here's the math: Fog: KP is 4 with a 2/38 chance of blocking another hit. Rain: KP is 5 with a 4/38 chance of blocking a hit. Obviously the chance is much higher than random if the medic is skilled and a list is used well. I would go with Fog unless we are sure we want to vote check and Rain if we do want to vote check. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On July 03 2009 03:35 Chezinu wrote: Summary so far: If we go with fog we live longer which will enable more lynches down the road, but we wouldn't be able to role check, which doesn't even matter: If we go with snow we get more clues, especially since day 1 clues are usually weak. I don't think rain would be a good option right now since the angels wouldn't really know who to protect. Sunny weather would be pointless because we don't have any suspects yet. The angels should know to protect good players so they don't disappear before they have a chance to contribute. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
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ydg
United States690 Posts
On July 03 2009 05:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I think Snow will actually not be that helpful this early because getting twice as many Day 1 clues is probably not going to be that helpful. We don't know how Plexa is doing clues either... KP is... holy fuck 5! So I guess that means at least 5 clues per day post and Snow probably doubles that? Maybe Snow just adds a constant number or multiplies the clue number by less than 2, who knows... OK nvm, we wouldn't get more Day 1 clues but Day 2 clues so this could be pretty helpful. Not necessarily, since Plexa could do clues where only a few mafia have clues linked to them each day. But I agree, until we know how clues are, if they're tidbits from the mafia's profile/whatever else and expressed through traits such as physical traits, tendency to use a weapon, or what not, or if the tidbits are just shown in the scene. Or if Plexa draws heavily on a theme or if he picks from this and that, we don't know yet. | ||
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ecomania
Germany35 Posts
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
As for the weather: I don't believe Snow first night would be good, as stated since we don't know how exactly clues are going to be based. However, if we wait too long, then we'll miss a good timing window in my opinion. Snow really peaks at its usefulness once we find our first mafia. After that night, the other weathers outstrip it until either all pledges are dead, all assassinations are used, or all angels are dead in my opinion. But we have to get a mafia within the next 2 days (possibly 1), to make the most use out of it if we ever do decide to do Snow, otherwise it's just too late it seems with a KP of 5. Sunny wouldn't be a good option either for first weather since we have no good targets. As for Fog or Rain; I believe going for Rain would be the better option. Although there would be a guaranteed drop in KP if we do Fog; Angels only have one protection and there are no second lives for other players (except the angels themselves). With a KP of 5; and only 2 protections available, some of our better contributors can die early on and that would be a massive blow to the town. We can drop that to 4 with Fog, but that'd still leave 2 important people to die (possibly). With 4 protections though, we'd have a better protection spread among the town, and we'd also have the possibility of reducing KP through stacked hits on top of that (which I think is the more likely scenario that will happen if we do Rain). And although the chance of a suicide bomber on night one is unlikely, we'd still lock him out if we do Rain, in comparison to the possible scenario of the bomber taking out somebody on the medic list *and* the angel(s) protecting him on night one. I just feel that the risk of having 2 important, contributing members of the town die is just too great compared to double angel protection and most likely forcing mafia to stack hits Can anybody tell me if I'm wrong in this thinking of Rain over Fog before I send in my vote? | ||
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
I AM RUNNING FOR OFFICE I am already seeing idiocy of players that has led to many vets getting insanely discouraged with playing these games. I appreciate Plexa for trying to make this game interesting with the addition of different roles, tweaking how some work, and the addition of fog. Now lets outline why I should be in office. Weather I'm already seeing debate on weather, and You guys are saying opt for rain? We have two medics, each have an extra life, and they can protect people. Historically medics have sucked more than any other role in the game, IE don't depend on them early game, how hard is this to understand, MEDICS DO NOT WIN GAMES. This instantly gets rid of the damn rain option. Next we have sunny which allows our assassins to attack. If you guys vote for this I will kill you. EVEN IF they hit a mafia, which we all jump and joy in, there is a chance they hit the godfather, and guess what, this means the godfather role gets given to another mafia and we have to find the damn guy again, way to much effort, so sunny isn't an option we want, also vigi roles aren't always reliable, lynches are where we have to win, so SUNNY is out. Next we have snow, snow is useful for hey additional clues. Guess what, most of the top clue analyzers from all previous games aren't in this one, IE the amount of people benefiting from these clues is so damn small its not worth voting on, so we ignore snow. This leaves fog, ie WE SPAM FOG. All greens should be voting fog every day to keep it going. It removes the pledges kp from the mafia. So if there would be at least 1 possibly as high as 3 or 4 pledges. This will reduce a KP from the mafia meaning 1-2 less people die at night. THAT IS A GUARENTEE. Medics are not guarenteed to protect so this is a safer bet. So we spam fog until the pledges are all dead, then move on to a different weather. Also note, with fog reducing the mafia KP, the suicide bomber will be less likely to use his ability as it removes even more kp from them. Leadership In most games I have played, I have worked in some way in town circles working for the benefit of the town, many times leading to a win for the town. This gives me the experience to help lead the town and help keep it organized. The towns in the last few games have been reduced to very small voices screaming at a mass of chaos and leads to failure, it has to stop. I would make an excellent choice for the leadership purely based off my experience at keeping some form of order. Untop of that, for once I am one of a very few in terms of a specific skill. I, as ive said in other games, clue analyze. Out of the current player base of this game, Myself and Pyrr are most likely most known for spending time on clues (there may be one or two people from pyrr's game , but i didnt pay much attention to it). This means either him or myself should have the bg protection purely to keep us alive to use that skill. I will do my best to keep us alive. Double Lynch I will make sure we get these used on top mafia targets, IE if we have two insanely guilty looking people, double lynch will be used. We wont have to worry about constantly voting for double lynch one day, then worrying mafia stop it. IT WILL GET USED and by god it will get by the town. These are merely a few points, but seriously with the debate of what to vote on for weather, A strong player is needed as the emperor or we are all fucked. Vote for me but more importantly VOTE FOR FOG | ||
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