EPTList checking is one of the most effective tools, and, as pledges can only be found via list checks, if we spam fog, we will have no sure way of hitting pledge as opposed to hitting regular mafia.
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ydg
United States690 Posts
List checking is one of the most effective tools, and, as pledges can only be found via list checks, if we spam fog, we will have no sure way of hitting pledge as opposed to hitting regular mafia. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On July 03 2009 10:12 ydg wrote: I disagree with spamming fog, but I agree that fog should be used day one. List checking is one of the most effective tools, and, as pledges can only be found via list checks, if we spam fog, we will have no sure way of hitting pledge as opposed to hitting regular mafia. Pledges show under alignment checks too, pretty sure on that | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
Man, a vote list check is useless unless we get town to JUST vote on two lists and break it up that way which requires insane organization to just pin a few pledges, just kill their KP instead | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On July 03 2009 11:30 Ace wrote: I vote for Elemenope ![[image loading]](http://files.getdropbox.com/u/51715/hurr.png) | ||
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
On July 03 2009 11:30 Ace wrote: I vote for Elemenope WHY AREN'T YOU WARDING THE WHOLE GAME YOU CUNTBUCKET | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
The only thing I worry about regarding an auto-fog vote is the inability to cross check for pledges later on. Basically you guys need to weigh the value of additional clues versus 2 extra kills. Remember that resurrection means that reducing mafia KP is more important, since we can approach a break-even point much quicker. With that said, this is the only day that Cover is not active. From tomorrow onwards, mafia will likely attempt to get DTs to check covered targets, which means that a double check on the godfather knocks more than both our DTs out; It could also very well confirm a number of mafia as blue, and likely end the game. So would Godfather attempt to run for Emperor and draw DT checks to himself? I would if I were him. Having said that. I will run for emperor, largely to split the vote and give us at the very least solid lists to check. I'm not going to bother putting up a fancy platform, because quite frankly we really don't have enough information on mafia numbers or any clues with which to form a decent plan. As with the previous game I was in, I plan on setting up a situation that assures us kills during double lynches on days 3 and 4. Note that our DTs cannot confirm roles; they only get the ability to determine Mafia/Not mafia. Because of this, It is my opinion that after day 1's 'checks' happen to form circles of trust, we co-ordinate vote list information, and have multiple cross checks to make sure no one is providing false information. There is, however, a problem with that. Given Godfather Emperor, Dts can never be certain that the 'other DT' they're told about is the real one. If they doubt and don't role check, Godfather can use DT cover and then we have a situation in which detective info can be faked. This, however, is a foolish gambit; if the fake DT is not mafia, he will not be able to provide the true DT with a vote list to check alongside the list published in the thread, and if he is mafia, reds cannot kill DTs singly without having the other unmask 2 mafia worth 1.5 kp. Essentially the gambit is useless, unless the mafia want to keep the DTs alive, but that would result in a crushing amount of cross checked vote lists. So, given the fact that the alternative is fucking stupid as shit, Emperor or whomever DTs end up trusting needs to reveal the existance of the other DT. DTs NEED to be sure to check before night starts, however, and we cannot fuck the timing up. In this way, a mafia godfather cannot falsify vote-lists even if a DT replies late and the Godfather is forced to post during night. All of that said, there are some intentional 'mistakes' left in this plan, and a few potential gambits the mafia could use against it. Feel free to find them. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
From Mystic rules: "You may PM me asking about the number of Mafia who voted for a particular person to be lynched (not elected) three times total." ... | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
Also wtf is that graph for... | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Step your game up, vote lists provide information even if they don't have numbers attached. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
Also, you correctly said that the DT need to role check important people Day 1 before Cover is possible... so why would we do anything other than Fog Day 1 when DTs should be using alignment check instead of vote list check (which they can't use Day 1). I dunno how intentional these mistakes are but it doesn't look like anything someone should Pyrry Says: vote BloodyC0bbler unless he comes up red today because he's the best player running and, at the very least, he understands (this should be obvious) that taking anything other than the guaranteed KP lowering at this point is stupid. ![[image loading]](http://files.getdropbox.com/u/51715/fogstorm.jpg) See this thing? If you're green, TURN IT ON!  | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
On July 03 2009 11:50 Incognito wrote: Also wtf is that graph for... I'm not sure, but Ace isn't even in the game... | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On July 03 2009 11:50 L wrote: Not DT list check, silly. Step your game up, vote lists provide information even if they don't have numbers attached. They don't necessarily give any information, especially if someone's platform is to run just to put another name on the ballot. If anything, that spreads things out and makes it easier to mafia to alter the voting with less effort. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On July 03 2009 11:50 Incognito wrote: L did you read the rules???? Also wtf is that graph for... It basically means "your trolling isn't funny". | ||
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TruthBringer
United States578 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On July 03 2009 12:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Also, mafia can fake vote list checks because they know how many mafia vote for each person... Also, you correctly said that the DT need to role check important people Day 1 before Cover is possible... so why would we do anything other than Fog Day 1 when DTs should be using alignment check instead of vote list check (which they can't use Day 1). I dunno how intentional these mistakes are but it doesn't look like anything someone should Pyrry Says: vote BloodyC0bbler unless he comes up red today because he's the best player running and, at the very least, he understands (this should be obvious) that taking anything other than the guaranteed KP lowering at this point is stupid. See this thing? If you're green, TURN IT ON! Fog is by far the best option for day 1 by far. If we are going to to play a list based game during days 2-5, we can't keep fog up during day 2. Fog, however, may not be the best choice during subsequent days, when Rain and Snow provide us with a .33kp reduction if we play our priest right, or additional clues and let us check lists. And all of the 'mistakes' are within the area after. Mafia cannot 'set up' lists. We cut the checked lists in half every day and substantially hem their ability to throw votes around in. They can delay the inevitable, but all of their pledges should be out in the open by day 4-5. Losing the suicide bomber means we can do a number of solid things, like set up our angels on our priest and have him just chain res blue targets. Plexa, do covered pledges show up on lists? Do dead covered people flip as the cover or as their real role? | ||
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