EPTOn July 03 2009 07:23 Elemenope wrote:
Also, Plexa: Can mafia target their own members for hits?
Also, Plexa: Can mafia target their own members for hits?
I suppose, although theres really no reason why the mafia would want to do that.
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I suppose, although theres really no reason why the mafia would want to do that. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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On July 03 2009 05:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: DECISION CALCULUS: More clues don't necessarily help - they often cause people to become suspicious in ways that the clue writer hadn't predicted at all. 5 KP is a ton so I think we should work on lessening that unless we figure out Plexa's clue writing style (has he run a game before? If so, definitely post about his writing style if you were in it). I would guess there are 2-6 pledges, so that would mean fog would drop KP by 0-1... OK, I think that means there have to be at least 4 Pledges because otherwise Fog wouldn't even lower KP on Day 1. So here's the math: Fog: KP is 4 with a 2/38 chance of blocking another hit. Rain: KP is 5 with a 4/38 chance of blocking a hit. Obviously the chance is much higher than random if the medic is skilled and a list is used well. I would go with Fog unless we are sure we want to vote check and Rain if we do want to vote check. Medics are almost always shit. Especially early game when they have no idea whos important to check, Vote for fog Fog is a guarenteed chance of dropping mafia kp by at least 1 if not 2, while rain lets mafia still get 5 hits, and we have a low chance of actually protecting that 1-2 hits they would lose with fog. IE till we lynch a few reds, fog should be kept in use to stop pledges (it also lets us know how many pledges there are roughly). It also means suicide bomber less likely to act to drop their kp even lower. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
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However, notice that the KP goes to the "ceiling" if it is not a whole number. This means if there are 3 or fewer pledges, KP won't even drop. Example: 3 Pledges means their KP contribution is 1.5. Half of that is .75 so fog would lower overall Mafia KP from 5 to 4.25, which gets rounded up to 5 if I understand the rules right. This means if there are 3 Pledges,.fog is useless to us until we kill a mafioso, so that the KP would drop from 4.5 to 3.75 due to fog. That is why I guessed there are at least 4 pledges, but it may be that Plexa has engineered the game so we are not to spam fog, but to time our fog usage to when Mafia KP is barely above a whole number so that we can lower it below that number. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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Otherwise the KP of 5 is way to high for day 1. 38 players - 8 red = 30/5= 6 days needed to kill us (provided no lynches used) If we lynch townies incorrectly it drops even lower. So fog should drop the KP of the mafia by 1 or possibly 2 to even it out. It also gives us an idea of how many pledges in the game there are. As for your equation all mafia give .5 cept for gf. so mafia looks to have a starting KP of 4.5 rounded up. so math should be as followed. say 2 pledges total 3.5 - (.5 x 2/2) =3 then 3 + 1(gf kp) mafia has 4 kp. the only way their KP isnt lowered is if there is exactly 1 pledge. | ||
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inertinept
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BloodyC0bbler
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DT's Last thread Plexa made it clear in the last thread that a player if checked by a DT flip their original colour (ie emperor flips as whatever his role was before election, dt flips as dt, mafia flips as mafia) only exception being the godfather. Checks can also be used at any point in the day. So, by that meaning. Dts should automatically be checking Myself, ie BloodyC0bbler and mrbabyhands If we flip as town, immediately contact us. ALSO there are two you. so there is the risk that you double check on one of us but still that pays off as we get 2 dts immediately working together. THEY can act right now, IE before the mafia can act. So check me first, get me into office and we go from there. The power of dts in this game is absolutely insane, as only one role is fliped incorrectly. They also can act day 1. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
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Ah yeah, it has to be 4.5 rounded up and getting the idea of how many pledges there are will be great, too. There's no way there's only one pledge if the suicide bomber is one of the pledges so VOTE FOG, EVERYBODY. PERIOD. @inertinept Will you make it past the first night for the first time in three games?!?! OvO  | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
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On July 03 2009 08:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also note: DT's Last thread Plexa made it clear in the last thread that a player if checked by a DT flip their original colour (ie emperor flips as whatever his role was before election, dt flips as dt, mafia flips as mafia) only exception being the godfather. Checks can also be used at any point in the day. So, by that meaning. Dts should automatically be checking Myself, ie BloodyC0bbler and mrbabyhands If we flip as town, immediately contact us. ALSO there are two you. so there is the risk that you double check on one of us but still that pays off as we get 2 dts immediately working together. THEY can act right now, IE before the mafia can act. So check me first, get me into office and we go from there. The power of dts in this game is absolutely insane, as only one role is fliped incorrectly. They also can act day 1. I wouldn't be surprised if you and/or MBH is godfather, I know the godfather usually isn't chosen as randomly as advertised and you two would be prime candidates so... Obviously they should be checking whoever gets elected and MBH is too dangerous not to check but I dunno about immediate contact. | ||
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Plexa
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On July 03 2009 08:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also note: DT's Last thread Plexa made it clear in the last thread that a player if checked by a DT flip their original colour (ie emperor flips as whatever his role was before election, dt flips as dt, mafia flips as mafia) only exception being the godfather. Checks can also be used at any point in the day. So, by that meaning. Dts should automatically be checking Myself, ie BloodyC0bbler and mrbabyhands If we flip as town, immediately contact us. ALSO there are two you. so there is the risk that you double check on one of us but still that pays off as we get 2 dts immediately working together. THEY can act right now, IE before the mafia can act. So check me first, get me into office and we go from there. The power of dts in this game is absolutely insane, as only one role is fliped incorrectly. They also can act day 1. Just to clarify here BC, the check will only tell you whether the person is mafia or not. Will not say that the person is a DT or that the person is the suicide bomber. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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On July 03 2009 08:27 Plexa wrote: Just to clarify here BC, the check will only tell you whether the person is mafia or not. Will not say that the person is a DT or that the person is the suicide bomber. My bad. Will it tell you if a suicide bomber is red though? Ie dt checks bomber, bomber gets a yes to being mafia? If not edit your bomber role to state that. Still, it stands to let you know if whoever you check is legit or not. The sooner a dt checks the sooner an alliance can form, the chances of hitting the gf this early are way to low, and as the roles were just recently sent out, mafia will still be disorganized, one dt should be checking me instantly. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
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BloodyC0bbler
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Pyrrhuloxia
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On July 03 2009 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My bad. Will it tell you if a suicide bomber is red though? Ie dt checks bomber, bomber gets a yes to being mafia? If not edit your bomber role to state that. Still, it stands to let you know if whoever you check is legit or not. The sooner a dt checks the sooner an alliance can form, the chances of hitting the gf this early are way to low, and as the roles were just recently sent out, mafia will still be disorganized, one dt should be checking me instantly. Pretty sure the check says if they are red or not and GF is the only one that the DT gets fooled on (no millers). | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On July 03 2009 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My bad. Will it tell you if a suicide bomber is red though? Ie dt checks bomber, bomber gets a yes to being mafia? If not edit your bomber role to state that. Still, it stands to let you know if whoever you check is legit or not. The sooner a dt checks the sooner an alliance can form, the chances of hitting the gf this early are way to low, and as the roles were just recently sent out, mafia will still be disorganized, one dt should be checking me instantly. Suicide bomber would reveal mafia. The only one who fools the DT is the Godfather, and whomever the Godfather chooses to switch. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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If I'm not checked in the instant near future, random check either me, pyrr or mbh. As we will be top 3 for him to use his ability on. | ||
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