[GG] Mafia XII - The Summer Season - Page 10

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 16 2009 23:48 GMT

#1227

Oh I get it, we could have like Malongo vote for one weather and then no one else vote for any weather and see what happened. But if he's red, especially GF, that's an extra KP for day and could mean the difference between win or loss for us, especially if we end up with no weather or a weather we can't use, which is most of them. In any case, this plan means we have to potentially waste our lynch and wait an extra day to see if our top suspect can change weather or not.

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 16 2009 23:55 GMT

#1228

On July 17 2009 08:46 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:

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Does fog still even do anything now that chaoser was a pledge? Pretty sure it won't lower kp at all and that from here on we should be voting snow.

Actually you're right. 1 + .5 + .5 even if the two .5s are pledges they still get two.

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 17 2009 00:13 GMT

#1231

On July 17 2009 09:07 Malongo wrote:
mafia kp will be always 2 even if we lynch GF

Nope,

3 mafia 1 + .5 + .5 = 2

if we kill GF, KP is down to 1

On July 17 2009 09:07 Malongo wrote:
mafia kp will be always 2 even if we lynch GF If we lynch GF then other mafia takes the rol so mafia KP will be always 2 until theres only one mafia.

Nope again,

"If you are killed by an Assassin, your role will be transferred to another Mafia member."

Lynch perma-kills the GF.

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 17 2009 00:40 GMT

#1235

On July 17 2009 09:28 Malongo wrote:
I can only ask townies to review my day 2 voting list. If mafia put 5 votes (at least) to save truthbringer why didnt I change my vote? Take in mind that im the 5th voter for truthbringer and that the count is 12 // 11 truthbringer over ydg and then come the last 2 votes to truthbringer. If im mafia why didnt I change my vote? Please review this well before looking me red.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=97002&currentpage=4

Maybe you spread yours out because you are GF? Also, you could say the same thing about anyone voting for TruthBringer, its like the only vote of yours that has ended up the right way. If we go by what you're saying, that every mafia would have changed their vote to ydg, we'd have to lynch ilovekt and falcynn, the remaining two ydg voters. Yet iLoveKT led the charge against chaoser and I'd bet falcynn is innocent, too.

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 17 2009 04:24 GMT

#1239

Let's see, infundi begins suggesting the strategy of fog day 1 and then snow day 2, thank god we didn't do that with how bad we've been led around on clue analysis after the success with TruthBringer.

Redtooth (angel) says he has a plan during day 1 but is light on details. Unfortunately for us, that kind of telegraphs blue. Infundibulum and chaoser badger him for more details.

Foolishness on Day 2 sees something fishy about infundibulum's defense of ydg:
"iNfuNdiBuLuM, you have abstained from voting thus far. If you really think ydg is innocent, why have you not taken any direct action against it? The vote (at least right now) is close and you have yet to accuse anyone else or suggest that someone else be lynched instead of ydg.

That being said, the summary of your post here reads, "We should not listen to BC, but I could care less who dies". It seems to me you are against BC, not against ydg being lynched."

Infundibulum day 2:
"And yes, at this point I think ydg is innocent. I would prefer not lynch him. If he does get lynched, his alignment will play a large part in how we think about BC."

Looks like he wants to leverage ydg's innocence to get BC killed.

Also, look how fast anyone who call him out as a lynch target dies:

Caller comes into the game and immediately tells us to kill infundibulum, and we all know how long he lasted in the game:
--------BEGIN CALLER QUOTES
guys guys guys i say we kill infundibulum

"Satisfied with a job well done, the Mafioso signalled to his colleagues that the Control Room was secure."

"Elemenope had been alerted to their activities moments ago upon hearing the prolonged roar which had come from the control tower, which then prompted him to look outside his window which overlooked the entire factory."

infundibulum has a tuba in his profile, which when played could definitely be construed as a loud roar. Plus, what else could make that signal?

also, his posts in the thread are junk either pontificating about ydg or worrying about stupid fears that are unlikely and are beyond his control. Rather than clue identify, which is his normal townie modus operandi, he's doing some different shit. Lynch him.
-------END CALLER QUOTES

On July 10 2009 04:08 redtooth wrote:
While Pyrr is mulling over the gravity of my offer, let's do brainstorm some clue analysis.

CLUE ANALYSIS PART 1

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Let's have a look at the profile of iNfuNdiBuLuM. The first thing you see is a man carrying a large Tuba. Forget that for now, there doesn't seem to be any link to that in the clues so far. However, scroll down more and you get to see two animated gifs of figures laughing gleefully while dressed up in what we would define as "curious garbs".

But that's not all!

Let's take a look at Caller's post a while back.

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cool, cool. some more evidence of a link. oh yeah, caller died btw. he had almost no information because he only recently entered the game. he was replacing aarav who could just as easily have been mafia because of all the clue analysis linking to him. why would it benefit mafia to kill caller? because of this post.

And redtooth dies that night.

Also notice this from Plexa's rules:
Clues can be taken from anywhere. They could come from profiles, signatures or even posts made from inside the game.

I hadn't even noticed that until I saw a post heavonearth made about it on Day 1. Maybe that's the source of all the confusion and fuck-ups we've been making clue wise. Perhaps the lumberjack beard refers to the Billy Mays picture that redtooth put in the middle of his analysis of infundibulum?

On July 09 2009 02:34 inertinept wrote:

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are you trying to act like mafia? people are already suspicious of you...

fog halves the killing power of PLEDGES and we got rid of a MAFIA, fog is actually very good. add to the fact that we really dont need vote list checks this early and it guarantees a low kill night while we gather up more information. how is fog bad again?

Inerptinept didn't die that night, but the next, probably because mafia was busy sniping the DT, and getting the priest, plus killing L to make BC look bad. They killed caller that night and they didn't use up all 5 KP, maybe inertinept was blocked that night.

infundibulum goes after BC, but then retracts his vote at basically the last second when it can have no effect on the outcome, probably thinking no one would look at him in the fallout since he wasn't on the final roll call. Notice chaoser came in at the last moment of the day and made a post defending BC, he probably would have gone against BC and voted for BC had BC started to get off the chopping block. Also notice that infundibulum keeps posting the final voting tallies without any switches noted.

----Malongo:
...please rolcheck one of this guys:

Scaramanga
Infundibulum
Pyrrhuloxia
---
Maybe they put cover on me or scaramanga so we looked red and infundi is GF so they figured they had a 2/3rd chance of creating a town fuck-up? Malongo never explains why he picks those 3.

LucasWoJ calls out infundibulum as his #1 target based on voting analysis and dies that night.

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 17 2009 04:39 GMT

#1240

And for clue stuff more recent than what redtooth wrote, notice that redtooth says that you should ignore the tuba player (presumably because there are no music clues), but in more recent days we've seen a mafia humming a tune to himself (infundibulums whole profile is about music, not just the tuba player but also a signature about music and more pics in his profile of musicians and dancing). Also, I figured the mafia chasing after storrzerg had to be flying, but you'll notice it never says that. Storrzerg is bleeding and that mafia could have just followed the blood trail on the ground and then knocked storrzerg out of the sky with a fruit cart. Not sure what the fruit cart is about, but fruit is sold from a cart and Billy Mays got his fame selling Orange Glo, a fruity product.

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 17 2009 04:53 GMT

#1242

"prolonged roar" could refer to the "sounds of the earth" from infundibulum's profile because it is a natural sound and that was a pretty early clue. The word "sound" was used on day 1, that might have been the only clue (I know I used only 1 word clues on my day 1 post).

I'm gonna be honest, I'm not sure which mafia infundibulum is, but he's obviously one of them.

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 17 2009 05:17 GMT

#1244

It's true that I've made mistakes, but while I've worked to fix them you haven't. Kuja linked really damn well, I didn't see anyone else presenting a good case for the second lynch to go along with ecomania and we've only found one red vote on him so far. I fucked up on BC even after foolishness tried to stop me, but at least I was honest about what my opinion was, you say you want to save BC but throw out a single vote at Faronel and one on Kuja instead, neatly putting your votes anywhere but where they could help BC or hurt ecomania. Same thing with YDG, you run up posts about why he's innocent to build up early game cred, but don't vote TB until you absolutely have to do it. Day 4, we lynched two reds and you apparently didn't see a single target worth going after and didn't vote.

It's true you helped clear falcynn's name, but then what do you use that to do? Try to guilt trip him into pulling his vote off of chaoser:

"look at the fucking voting

notice that so many people voting for him have not even come in the thread to say why

does this not strike anyone as weird

falcynn i know you are green why can't you see this?"

to which chaoser adds:

"THANK YOU

most of those people who voted haven't been activate at ALL in the game. most have said one to two things that have no meaning. atleast i defended BC before he was to be lynched."

Same thing with scaramanga:
"Scaramanga please change your vote to iLoveKT, since we all know you're innocent"
As if "I know you're innocent" is a reason to vote for iLoveKT, especially since the only people that can be 100.00000000% sure who is innocent are mafia. Classic mafia maneuver there, LucasWoJ got me with it last game.

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 17 2009 05:19 GMT

#1245

Well who do you suggest we go after? Pray tell us who will be confirmed innocent if you turn red?

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 17 2009 06:02 GMT

#1248

On July 17 2009 14:27 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
But dude, you and me and everyone else know that Clasic's, GoodWill's, and HeavOnEarth's drive by votes for chaoser were weird. Lucky for chaoser that he could play such stupidity to his advantage.

Pray tell why we should be more suspicious of those three because they did a "drive-by" on a red? That's our goal. And chaoser wasn't lucky that he could play it to his advantage because at the end of the day only you were voting for him.

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 17 2009 06:04 GMT

#1249

They could have easily put those same votes alongside yours to put chaoser out of harms way.

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 17 2009 06:12 GMT

#1250

Alright, well, tell you what. I don't want Malongo's bungling to get lost in this shuffle but I still think iLoveKT made an awesome case that I found a lot to go along with. You sent me your suspect ideas before we called you out so, why don't we start with where we the three of us agree and see what happens.

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 19 2009 03:35 GMT

#1303

we already have 1 supposed vote on sunny so if we had 2 more we would end up with sunny instead of snow

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 19 2009 03:54 GMT

#1305

On July 19 2009 12:52 Malongo wrote:

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No There are 0 votes on sunny Plexa didnt confirm those votes. If hoe wants to vote weather he has to do it again.

no he doesn't, Plexa said that votes from the previous night count when I asked him

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 19 2009 17:56 GMT

#1318

wait wtf sunny? weather voting was supposedly:

Sunny
---
Heavonearth

and then

Snowy
---
Malongo
Lenwe

This means one (or both) of Malongo and Lenwe is mafia since Heavonearth's one snowy vote outweighed the two supposed snowy votes, right?

I dunno I think it's about time to gg, too, I have no idea of where to go from here.

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 19 2009 18:17 GMT

#1319

"Heavonearth's one snowy vote"
should read
"Heavonearth's one sunny vote"

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 19 2009 22:47 GMT

#1332

If had voted we would have gotten less information because neither of us would be confirmed green. If it came up sunny and I had voted sunny there are many possible explanations:
HOE is green I am maf / blue + one or more of lenwe / malongo is blue/red
HOE and I are green + one or more of lenwe / malongo is blue/red

Plus, I warned y'all this plan would fuck us over and keep us from snow and lo and behold! At least we know one (or more, if I'm getting this right) of malongo and lenwe are mafia. I'd say lenwe is most suspicious.

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 19 2009 22:49 GMT

#1333

On July 20 2009 07:15 HeavOnEarth wrote:
hey plexa can u clarify what happens when there's a tie for weather(?)

one that got to the tie number first wins, this has been covered many times

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 19 2009 22:50 GMT

#1334

On July 20 2009 07:19 HeavOnEarth wrote:

-scara
he was active but obviously he wasn't townie and died shortly after.

- ilovekt, didn't vote

-lenwe, supposed sunny vote

-malongo, supposed sunny vote

- pyrr, didn't vote
and i don't think tie , snow+sunny = sunny, so therefore

i don't see why any active townie wouldn't try this out, so.
priest please roleclaim to me.
mafia list

malongo, pyrr, ilovekt, lenwe
one of which is priest

also, priest please roleclaim to me.

if any townie voted weather please post!

we have no priest, you're confusing it with mystic

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 19 2009 22:58 GMT

#1335

here's what happened: there were two supposed votes for sunny, HOE and malongo, then malongo supposedly changed his voted to snow after Lenwe had supposedly voted for snowy.
So it should have been 2-1 for snowy, if both Lenwe and Malongo were telling the truth. And I know they aren't blue. So one of 'ems not unless some green fucked up and voted sunny without saying so, but that doesn't make any sense - no green would accidentally vote sunny when all assassins are dead, I could see some mostly inactive person throwing in a vote for fog or snowy without seeing the plan but not sunny.
If it ended up 1-1, the tie breaker would have gone to HOE's sunny vote. It may have ended up 1-0 if both Lenwe and Malongo are mafia.

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