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On May 18 2009 15:46 So no fek wrote:
Only problem I have with the Day 1 lynch is that there shouldn't be any activity in this game due to the new inactivity rules. Granted there will probably always be people who will sign up then not participate, but it's still a wasted lynch as they'll die soon anyway. But I do see why you'd do that, there not being enough clues to go off the first day (any solid ones anyway), throwing away a lynch on someone who's going to die anyway is probably better than lynching a townie.
On the contrary, lynching someone because they are inactive is quite the bad idea. We should be lynching people because they are acting suspicious or because we have clues about them. Killing someone we have no information about would be the foolish thing to do, we may be killing a blue role without knowing it.
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I'm glad that you all feel the same way I do about it. In response to Jimtudor, it is much better to kill someone based of behavioral analysis than an inactive, even though it is the first day and we don't have much to go on.
The_Master: if inactives are going to get killed anyways, why bother killing them now? Even on the first day there will still be suspicious people, you just have to read between the lines to weed them out.
I also would like to see more people run for office! The more competition the better!
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Shikyo, it is interesting that you mention mafia only have 6 votes for a person, obviously since a candidate cannot vote for himself. Looking at what's happened so far, you have not yet voted for someone, and you also have stated that you are iffy about voting altogether. Clearly, a mafia running for office would not vote for anyone else as that would lessen the chances of him winning. Also not to mention you have received some votes from some not very active people, which seems suspicious.
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Also to mention, Jayme has been very good about dodging all the clues people are trying to point to him so far
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This is a small game? o.O
At this point, all the mafia can vote for one person if that person is clearly going to win, based on bandwagoning.
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good to know 
We also have another person who made one post so far now voting for Shikyo, even after he said he was going to vote for someone else (although this was before Shikyo announced he was running). Seems kinda strange he would straight up change his vote without saying anything at all. I suppose "bandwagoning" as you guys call it happens a lot....unless there's something else going on.
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On May 19 2009 10:18 Shikyo wrote:
I love how Foolishness is basically doing nothing in this thread but casting suspicion on me, without actually considering for a second that it might be possible that some people actually like my campaign better than the others'. I think before this he only posted twice before, let's see... Oh, you were saying that lynching inactives is a bad idea and that we should be lynching suspicious people, and then you're basically saying that I'm that suspicious person. Interesting, although I don't really find a person, who says that lynching inactives is a bad idea, all that credible.
So what if I'm casting suspicion on you? So far nobody else has stepped up to do the same. You have sat here uncontestently running for office (hardly any of the other candidates have said something against you). People are jumping on the bandwagon believing you because your election ballot was more charasmatic and well written than any of the others, and because you have remained the most active poster so far.
I'm sorry for throwing suspicion on you it's nothing personal. I don't want a random person getting into office without knowing his/her true intentions (and I'm sure you wouldn't either).
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Shikyo, just because I've only made a few posts has nothing to do with you getting elected or acting suspicious. Just because you have made the most posts doesn't make you a winner.
With that being said, I am running for sheriff.
Why? Because I am not Shikyo.
So far this game, Shikyo has done nothing but post a lot and write a very charismatic ballot. He has run uncontested, and none of the other candidates are willing to step up against him. There has hardly been any debate between him and the other candidates. We cannot let him gain control of an office position so easily like this.
There are many suspicious activities going on with his office running. He labeled out the scenario how mafia get 6 votes, and he chooses to obstain his vote, thereby gaining his chance of him getting into office. It is necessary to point out how the mafia would probably not all vote for the same person, but in the scenario where one person is dominating they clearly would.
Shikyo has been obtaining votes from the most random of people. People who have not backed up their reasoning and people who have not voted at all. In one case, someone clearly stated that they were voting for one of the other candidates (although this was prior to Shikyo's running), but then voted for Shikyo without saying a word about it (and then latter ignored this fact when he finally did post).
Shikyo has seemed like a good candidate until I raised possible suspicion about him. I clearly was not accusing him of anything, I just wanted to hear what he had to say. Instead he retorted almost angerily at me, implying that my posts meant nothing since I have only posted a few times. It is only natural for me to want to make sure we as a town are electing the best people into office. Someone who goes on the defensive when asked why the situation does not add up is not the person we want in office.
However I do not possess any qualities that would make me good candidate other than I am not Shikyo. This would be my first mafia game on TL, and none of you have any information about me. But this is all irrelevant. You can cast your vote and put a suspicious person into office or put your vote to better use. Just because he posts a lot does not make him the best choice.
You can vote for Shikyo and secure the fact that there will be suspicious happenings, or you can vote for me to ensure the town a victory. Even if you don't want to vote for me, pick someone else besides Shikyo.
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EBWOP: Should say: "People who have not backed up their reasoning and people who have not posted at all"
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On May 19 2009 14:06 Jimtudor wrote:
The intention of your post seems swell enough but you have not said anything substantial to back it up. It's pretty obvious why he is running uncontested, because frankly his activity and his posts are a cut above the other candidates right now.
Your campaign message is: Run away from the bogeyman.
Well, that's not going to cut it. Where's your plan? How are we going to succeed? Where are the flaws in Shikyo's statements? Have you got any clues that might cast suspicion on him?
As I said, it seems to me the only reason his posts are above the other candidates is because he is posting more frequently, and because nobody has stood up against him.
I will try to summarize my suspicions against Shikyo. People are voting for him that have not said anything including someone who said he was going to vote for someone else (and then later avoided this fact when asked about it). More importantly, when I asked Shikyo about my suspicions, he retorted at me and implied in one of his comments that my facts were irrelevant because I have not posted much. His defensive outtake on my comments clearly indicates that something's up (even though I clearly did not accuse him of anything in my initial comments).
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I like how most of you are trying to lay out plans, especially crate's idea. However I think we should worry about the election first, then get down to the business of killing and saving those in need. Planning ahead is good though
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Sorry for quieting down I try to check up on here as much as I can
Shikyo, as I stated before I don't want someone being freely elected into office without someone to stand up against him first. You were freely riding your way into office and none of the other candidates wanted to do anything about it.
I have considered the scenario you pointed out with me being mafia. But as you said even you find it hard to believe that's true, so that should give you your answer.
What's more likely is that you are mafia as I suspect and I'm just trying to get you from being in office (as any good townie should be doing). But even this is a small chance.
I will post more in a bit.
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It seems people are leaning towards lynching Jayme.
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That would be called bandwagoning. At this point changing votes seems like mafia members moving around to get one of their own into office.
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I agree with crate in that lynching JimTudor because he is suspicious is a bad idea because he is actively posting and contributing. If he is red he will only become more suspicious. (these ideas are independent of the fact that I voted for him).
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On May 20 2009 08:33 teks wrote:
I'm not saying to lynch you, as others have mentioned you are an active and experienced player that it would suck to lose this early if you were to be a townie. But we should, as with any other suspect, keep an eye out when the clue comes, and also watch your behavior. But any inactive voters with few posts in this thread, that's a whole other story.
My reason for believing you are mafia is really quite simple, elimination rule. I don't think Shikyo or JeeJee are mafia, and I do expect mafia to have one of the top contenders in the election. This is obviously not enough to lynch anyone, and I don't see that happening yet either. We could all be wrong, we could end up with mafia in our office, but that will be something we will have to deal with if it comes to it.
JimTudor is a top spot in the election? o.O he is behind by 4 votes which is a lot at this stage in the game.
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Shikyo, is you putting yourself on the medic list implying that you are medic?
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It seems to me if the mafia wanted to knock of the medic list, they would pick someone on it (as opposed to JimTudor who was only half on the list) and stack votes. Unless they figure nobody would save Jim since he was only half on the list. Perhaps medics made a save.
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Analyzing me is quite pointless, we should be focused on killing Shikyo. It's still apparent that he is mafia. There's still suspicious activity going on with him and we should be very careful of his actions. I'm all up for killing Jayme and possibly double lynch, but I still think Shikyo's the one we should be focused on.
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Isn't it funny how we are killing Jayme based on clues? I can recall many many people saying that clues are not good to go by early in the game. So much for that...
And you know, if I was in Jayme's shoes right now, I wouldn't be trying to defend myself either (unless I was some very important role such as DT). It seems really hopeless for him to say anything.
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Jayme has behavior? Where? He hasn't posted in such a long time...
Seems like we're killing an inactive, not someone who is suspicious...we all know what's going to happen next...
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You know JeeJee, you seem to be against Jayme getting lynched. If you really feel this way you should be trying to start something. As an elected official, your voice will definitely hold a lot of sway to the people.
Unless of course, you want Jayme to get lynched....
Same goes to you too Shikyo. Our elected officials have done jack squat contributing to this day.
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This guy already voted for Jayme. All his clue analysis is going to tell us is Jayme Jayme Jayme, just like everyone else.
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Jayme occurred 3 times in SugiuraMidori's post...what a suprise. I don't know about you guys, but I liked to be reminded of everything that's already been talked about, so let's keep up the good work in posting the same thing over and over again.
On that note, Shikyo needs to die, and Jayme is clearly innocent. But please don't let me stop anyone from bandwagoning
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Day ends in roughly 20 hours? somewhere along those lines.
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On May 23 2009 02:23 crate wrote:
Anyway, if you believe there is other significant clue evidence against Jayme I would like you to point it out to me. I looked through this entire topic several times yesterday and I'm too lazy to do it again right now. If you refuse to find me this evidence rest assured I will get unlazy before the Day 3 morning post and look for it myself.
I don't see great evidence for lynching anyone else right now, but then the only reason I see to lynch Jayme over another inactive is that it gives us a tiny bit of info about our "birdy" ... and that is not much info since we might have missed the real clue toward Jayme or perhaps there is as yet no clue toward him. Or maybe he's an innocent green. I dunno. He's going to die anyway at this rate though.
Hurry up and get unlazy. I want to see this "evidence" you speak of so I can tell you how wrong and stupid (a word you like to use so often) you are about it.
Can you explain how killing Jayme might lead to a bit of info about the "birdy"? Are you saying that the birdy will probably be on the list of people who didn't vote for Jayme?
I also think it would be interesting to look at the double lynch and how it got started, there may be something in there that we have overlooked.
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I do not think I did. Explain what you mean. If I misinterrpreted I am sorry.
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Crate, you seem to think that jayme is innocent. Yet you are doing nothing about it and you have voted for him. Why?
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Apparently you didn't. But Pyrry's got you listed under Jayme. =(
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On May 23 2009 06:55 SugiuraMidori wrote:
Foolishness is getting too emo about this whole thing and flaming everyone... you should give it up already.. what's done is done, nothing can be done so move on and stfu already :/
Wow that's a good mentality to have. "This guy is clearly innocent but we should kill him anyways." According to Pyrry, there are 21 townspeople left. I don't know why it's not listed as 20 since you are about as helpful to the town as a mafia member that has come out (or, if I was crate, "stupid").
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Perhaps that's a bit harsh.
I just find it interesting that the 3 people who have contributed the most to this game so far (JeeJee, Shikyo, crate), all have second guesses about Jayme, yet none of them have done anything about it. Certainly as leaders they would have something to say.
But yes, you are right SugiuraMidori. It seems it is too late to do anything about it. In the meantime though, it is nice to watch you get angry with me. We have nothing better to do anyways.
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Perhaps we should be analyzing the double lynch instead of Jayme. If anybody has any thoughts about it I think it would help.
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lmao that's what I'm doing too!
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On May 23 2009 13:18 Phelix wrote:
The bandwagon has struck and failed. The only positive aspect that could come from this would be getting inactive townies killed, which would help the town immensely.
How are townspeople dying a positive aspect? Mafia is now one step closer to victory, regardless if they were active or not.
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On May 18 2009 23:13 teks wrote:
I saw in the other mafia game going on that they were talking about rolechecking the losers of the election, as it would be a big chance that atleast one of them would be mafia.
Interesting that you were the first person to bring this up way back on day 1. Let's assume for a second that at least one of the candidates that ran for office in our game is mafia (a relatively reasonable assumption). Now all that's left is to figure out who it is. Say zeks is indeed mafia like everyone is claiming. What does he have to gain from killing JimTudor the first night? Only the fact that a townsperson is dead.
zeks has played in past mafia games so we know he is not a first timer and has some idea of what's going on. It is very common to rolecheck and suspect losers of the election. If he killed JimTudor during the night, that would make him prime suspect for this case (as we have just seen).
Honestly what a stupid move on his part. He kills the competition (JimTudor was suspected by many many people), now he's the only one left that looks suspicious. Do you think zeks is this stupid (gj crate)? Seems unlikely.
Let's consider the other alternative. Shikyo is mafia. He is a smart man, and knows that losers of the election are going to be accused. He decides to kill two birds with one stone. He kills JimTudor the first night, knocking out one of the 'major' candidates for the election. His plan is then to come out with "evidence" against zeks. Although he has not directly said it, Shikyo is basically saying "one of the candidates for election has to be mafia. Well, it's not me, I don't think it's JeeJee. JimTudor is dead. Oh! Must be zeks!"
Perhaps he was going to come out with this plan right away on day 2. Unfortunately there was such a bandwagon for killing Jayme that seemed like it wouldn't get overturned. Shikyo decides, alright we can sack Jayme since we know he's clean. As soon as night rolls around I can start the plan against zeks.
What do you think is more likely? zeks the stupid mafia or Shikyo the mastermind?
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On May 24 2009 07:15 crate wrote:
Are you forgetting? iLoveKTF and one other person you didn't mention (oh wait I remember now it's YOU) also ran for election. Jimmy's dead so he's cleared. Shikyo and JeeJee can't be cleared. Foolishness, iLoveKTF, and zeks are still alive and unless a DT r/c'd them tonight none have been rolechecked.
I can guarentee you that after you read my post you thought to yourself "hmm I could've sworn some other people ran for office" then you went through day 1 and had to look through to find iLoveKTF and me. You wanna know why? Because nobody remembers that iLoveKTF ran for office, and nobody remembers that I ran for office. Nobody voted for either us, hardly anyone even paid attention to us. NOBODY CARES!
I didn't even want to get into office. I was just trying to point out how mafia Shikyo is. I voted for a safe townsperson to try to get into office, I didn't want therapy or Jayme lynched. Hopefully you will realize how right I am about everyone and kill Shikyo.
I hope you are pissing yourself because I figured out what you were thinking (not that it matters, I know the next post you make you will deny this fact and then ignore me). Your so easy to predict its sad. The point of mafia is to figure out who's lying; the only thing you have successfully done is spew out blabber.
If you want something more concrete to go by, I have heard many experienced players in the mafia realm say that anyone who doesn't get any votes in the election is probably innocent. What does that tell you?
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On May 24 2009 08:18 crate wrote:
You'll see what I think before the end of this night. I promise it.
crate needs to go think up some good comebacks first.
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On May 24 2009 08:21 crate wrote:Go look at my votelist for day 1, and notice I listed both you and iLoveKTF as candidates there despite neither of you receiving a vote. Stop being stupid. Show nested quote +Foolishness wrote:
If you want something more concrete to go by, I have heard many experienced players in the mafia realm say that anyone who doesn't get any votes in the election is probably innocent. What does that tell you? bro go find who said that in this topic oh wait it was me saying that i think that ilovektf was probably innocent since he received exactly no votes in the race hi5 bro you're seeing things that arent there
I see your vocabularly hasn't extended beyond the word stupid yet. And your votelist does indeed include iLoveKTF and I, my fault.
If you noticed from what I said, I specifically stated "experienced players". You're about as useful as Adriix33 in this game.
In the event you did not understand that past sentence, I will try to formulate it into your language:
stupid
You're about
as
useful as
stupid
Adriix33
in
stupid this stupid
game.
I would also be very happy to know what you mean when you say "you're seeing things that arent there". I was wrong about one thing as you pointed out, but your use of plural nouns indicate I am wrong about other subjects as well. So far I have been the only person who we can safely say is not mafia based on voting. I voted for the only confirmed townsperson and did not vote to kill Jayme (who was a townsperson). Why don't you start listening to me, or do I not use the word 'stupid' enough to warrant your attention?
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On May 24 2009 08:41 crate wrote:
also
i know you'll say it
yes i'm dodging
Thanks for saving me the time, although it's also good you realized this yourself.
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Wait, someone vigi'd zeks?
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oh drrrr missed so no fek's death. Sorry dude 
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Well, hopefully Esben killed zeks so we still got one vigi with a kill.
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crate, going to start your thing against Shikyo? Sorry but I'm kinda impatient for it
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You know crate, of those 8 people Shikyo has accused so far, only 2 have turned up to be townspeople, and the rest are up for grabs. I'm sure you have suspicions against one of those other 6 people as well (I know I do).
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I also don't think Shikyo has pointed very many fingers so far (at least compared to some other people).
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I don't think any of those people have even said anything yet.
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On May 26 2009 05:32 teks wrote:
The thing about this game is that there are way too few people who actually post anything. That means that the mafia still hides, and we really have nothing to go on except clues. And the clues we have so far haven't really been bulletproof evidence. I'm pretty sure on RaYnE, but I was pretty sure on zeks as well and look how well that turned out.
About Shikyo, I'm still torn.
It is especially interesting that you mention this. I can recall one mafia game a while back (supposedly a noob game if I remember correctly), where the mafia hardly ever took part in discussion. They just sat back and watch the townspeople go crazy killing themselves. As they say, history does repeat itself.
crate, your accusations against Shikyo are well thought out and worth merit. Shikyo's recent response to anything and everything you said is not mafia style though. Surely you think the same way although it would totally reprimend your argument.
At this point, I would like to take time to address both Shikyo and crate in my usual fashion so far in this game: ARE YOU TWO BOTH BLINDLY STUPID? The town is sitting here with a confirmed townie (teks) who has access to everyone's supposed roles. Right now, as far as we know, we have a complete list of people who have yet to respond to that list. I'm willing to guarentee that nearly all the blue roles have already messaged him about this (there's no point in delaying if you are a blue role). If this is true we are sitting with a suspected mafia list and townspeople; MAYBE WE SHOULD START PICKING THEM OFF?
Honestly your bickering at each other is not helping the town at all. We have a list of people of which the majority is probably mafia. Why are you so insistent on deviating from the list? crate, I know you are stubborn and convinced that Shikyo is mafia, but as long as we stick to the list we are sure to be knocking out mafia (regardless if Shikyo is or not), especially since we got double lynch tomorrow (hopefully).
It's nice you got this argument against Shikyo, but it's not really needed right now. Maybe after a few more days when there are less people it might come in handy if we got nothing else to go by.
On this note, the town has little to gain from lynching Shikyo, even if he is a mafia. Shikyo claims to know 4 blue roles, and although he was a bit inactive day 2, he is still contributing to town discussion a lot. Isn't that what makes the mafia game? Contributing? Shouldn't we be lynching the non contributers? I got news for you buddy, teks is sitting here with a list of suspected mafia AND NEARLY ALL OF THEM ARE HARDLY ACTIVE! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT? DO YOU WANT PYRRY TO TELL YOU WHO IS MAFIA? WILL YOU LISTEN THEN?
Not to mention, even if you think Shikyo is mafia, lets kill someone he hasn't voted for (since, assuming he is mafia, he wouldn't vote for his own kind). Last I looked, he voted for chaoser and ra.xor.2. Okay lets look at our list and pick someone else then. We got BWdero, clazzi, iLoveKTF, and more (I'm ignoring rayne for now).
It's plainly obvious that you're a townsperson of some sort crate. Why you would want to deviate from the list is painful.
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DONT DEVIATE FROM THE LIST IF YOU ARE A TOWNIE
THE LIST WE HAVE IS ABSOLUTE
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In order to exemplify what I mean, I'm going to explain to you all why we follow the list and not deviate from it. THE LIST IS ABSOLUTE
Let's consider all the ways in which the list are wrong:
1) Mafia lie about their roles. We would all expect mafia to all claim townsperson, in the event one of the lied (which might be the GF since if rolechecked he would come up as that role), then we will have list that's further narrowed down. If we got 4 people claiming medic, it should be relatively easy to figure out which one is lying.
Basically what I'm getting at, mafia are going to all claim townsperson. Thus all the blue roles will be fulfilled and we are left with townies and mafia.
2) Somebody lies about their role. In the event a blue person lied to protect themself then we are in quite a dilemma. I honestly don't see how this is possible. Most likely, blue roles were probably the first to message teks their role, then townies and mafia. I don't think anyone is stupid enough to make this happen.
3) The list is flawed because teks is mafia. I don't see how this is possible. This would mean there's another vigilante alive right now. I'm pretty sure he would've said something by now.
In conclusion, we will have a list of townies. All that's left is to start picking them off and have DT's start rolechecking others (be careful of millers). It does not make sense why we would need to break from this plan.
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The bandwagons of voting for Rayne is also worth mentioning. It seems to me Rayne is not mafia because of the same reasons Jayme isn't mafia. Here the argument "well why hasn't rayne said anything" does not hold much value to it.
On the other hand, if we go by crate's logic. Shikyo did not vote for rayne. Shikyo is mafia. Therefore rayne has a high chance of being mafia.
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I hope you guys realize, that if we do not hit a mafia tonight, it's going to be game over.
On the other hand, it will allow me to spam JeeJee and crate for their absolute stupidity, which I will rather enjoy.
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Unfortunately chaoser, we need teks here to sort out this mess. Day ends in the next 3-6 hours.
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I'm writing up a post right now.
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crate your stubborness and lack of post against what I said clearly says more than you think.
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Post something you loser. You're hurting the town by not saying anything and by not changing your votes.
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Okay I've been looking at a lot of things recently. As said before, mafia are going to wait until last minute to try to sway the votes.
List of people who have not voted.
epicdoom
iLoveKTF
BWdero
ydg
Ra.Xor.2
motbob
Of these people the ones that voted for Jayme are:
wurm
ydg
motbob
ra.xor.2
Of these 4 people, ydg has yet to roleclaim to teks. Motbob also roleclaimed rather late. Any of these 4 people are good candidates.
more coming shortly
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I think it is pretty apparent that lynching Rayne is going to be like lynching Jayme If you have voted for Rayne please change your vote!
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Okay I think the last two votes clearly say enough.
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In summary, the town is about to lynch two innocents. Depending on the votes it will be two of the three candidates: Shikyo, Rayne, BWdero.
On the plus side, Ra.Xor.2, motbob, The_Master are probably all mafia.
Also, ignore anything crate or JeeJee have to say. They are pretending to be traitors (and being very successful at their roles).
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Don't worry it's already too late. This town is screwed.
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Please vote for Ra.Xor.2. We can still lynch one mafia if we get enough votes on him.
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Honestly this town is so stupid
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Both you and crate have done a substantial job helping the mafia win the past day. Do you realize we are essentially screwed? We're down a medic, assuming mafia get 3 kills, which won't be much of a suprise, we got 10 townspeople versus 7 mafia. We already know that you and crate want the mafia to win despite being townspeople so the townspeople are outnumbered 8 to 9. good fucking game
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Yes, but unfortunately we have to deal with idiots like crate and JeeJee. I don't think that's a very plausable outcome.
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I see crate is back to his useless posting as usual.
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On May 27 2009 05:22 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2009 04:27 Foolishness wrote:
I see crate is back to his useless posting as usual. And your posting ISINT useless? Why would Shiyko vote for me if we were both mafia? It's not like the voting was so far off that not voting for me would have been suspicious. BTW, teks is probably mafia as well.
Does anyone else find this incredibly odd? How is it possible teks is mafia? In order for teks to be mafia, he would have to have previous knowledge that zeks (or someone else) was getting vigi'd the past night. Even if he did know that, it's a huge risk to take to step up like that, especially considering the other vigi died, and no other vigi has stepped up being like "wait a minute...i'm also a vigi, that means there are three vigi's...".
good job signing your death sentence Ra.Xor.2
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2 Millers still alive is really annoying. Even if l10f came up positive there's still a nice chance he's miller.
And as Phelix said, this can still be a town win if we get two mafia tonight.
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On May 28 2009 00:42 teks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2009 00:34 JeeJee wrote:
they're barking up the completely wrong tree. but at this rate they'll have climbed every fugging tree in the forest anyway.
Yeah it almost seems as if they WANT to kill off the townies first. Oh well, good for us! I'm pretty confident that they won't even get two kills the next night, unless they go for inactives again.
Of course if we fail to kill any mafia then they can get 2 kills easily lol
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On May 20 2009 17:25 Pawsom wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 17:18 EsbenPM wrote: I don't think deciding lynching on an inactive here right off the bat is a good idea. Agree 100% with this. All this does is put us down likely 2 players, unless we somehow catch a mafia in hiding, which isn't likely without clues. I'm just worried about the mafia ignoring the potential threatening townies(hell some of them may even be mafia) and start mass hitting people. If they pull off 3 hits tonight, we lynch an inactive, and they can pull off 3 tomorrow, thats 8 players down. Our play has to be spot on from that point.
I think this is irony at its best
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Ra.Xor.2 and Pawsom, if you guys are townies you should speak up about it. You're not getting bandwagon killed liked Jayme and Rayne. At this point we have to lynch 2 mafia's otherwise it's gg. If you're townie please speak up about it, everybody will listen because this is such a crutial lynch.
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Lynching Ra.Xor.2 is probably going to end up in a repeat of Jayme/Rayne. I suggest we lynch someone else instead. Anybody feel the way I do about this?
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I'm well aware of that. But given a choice between lynching Ra.Xor.2 and Shikyo, I'd choose Ra.Xor.2 (as I know you would too). Now that that situation is not present, and that he has yet to say anything, I think we should take some time to consider the consequences of our actions.
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Okay at this point I would like to suggest we formally kill motbob instead of Ra.Xor.2.
Let me outline 3 major points why motbob is mafia and should be killed over Ra.Xor.2
1) inactivity For the first few days motbob was incredibly inactive, only posting a few times. Chances are he is mafia, afraid to come out and speak much cause that would make him suspicious. As far as we know, he is inexperienced and never played mafia before, so this seems like a reasonable strategy. Now that the mafia are in such a commanding lead, he can afford to come out, speak his mind, and possibly sway the votes (more on that later).
In response to the post I know I'm going to get, yes, Ra.Xor.2 has been just as inactive throughout the game. Although consider what happened to Jayme. Jayme was under heavy suspicion the first night (there's even a string of posts where people seriously wanted to Jayme). After that Jayme fell quiet, didn't say much of anything. We know Jayme dodged the first night lynch, but second day comes around and he's immediately got a huge number of votes. In a very desperate situation he gives up and decides not to post anything. This very same thing can be happening with Ra.Xor.2. He was close to being lynched yesterday, and is now top candidate. He has yet to post because he has probably given up.
2) Fight with Shikyo motbob unleashed a huge accusation against Shikyo. This was seemingly out of the blue since he spent the first part of the game inactive. This was further coupled when crate and JeeJee came out with the arguments. It is plainly obvious that Shikyo is not mafia based on his posting. Furthermore, JeeJee has seem to given up hope (what a great player he is). motbob's random accusations is rather suspicious
3) Failure to vote on time. His failure to vote for Ra.Xor.2 could have changed the outcome of the votes, but he waited until it was too late. As said before, mafia want to wait until last minute to vote in order to sway the count. Mafia cannot do that right now since it would be incredibly obvious with the few remaining people left.
In conclusion, motbob is the one we need to lynch, I suggest anybody support me if they can. Ra.Xor.2 should not be lynched over motbob.
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On May 28 2009 07:55 motbob wrote:
oh you've got to be kidding me
I think your lack of response says a lot. Seriously does nobody else agree with me on this? It's clear we got another mafia in the bag.
And l10f, you're doing the town a disservice by not voting, it's also kinda suspicious, but I'm pretty sure you are clean.
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Is this thread dead? There's roughly 2 posts per hour.
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Okay this should not be happening, but it's going to.
I am the detective. I have orchestrated events in the past 24 hours in order to try to lure out mafia (such as the accusement of motbob). Due to the recent inactivity, it is necessary for me to come out. It is important you listen to me because I AM YOUR ONE CHANCE FOR TOWN TO WIN. Nobody else believes it is possible, but I can make it possible.
From all the intel I have gathered, mostly working with teks here, it is reasonable to assume that these 5 people are mafia: ydg, wurm, pawsom, l10f, phelix. I know all of the blue roles, the only way this list is wrong is if these guys are townspeople.
I am the detective that inspected l10f and got a thumbs up. Because his behavior is very suspicious I have sure he is actually mafia and not a miller. The reason there is not a heavy movement against him is because most of the other blue roles think he is mafia. I will outline my arguments against him later.
The important thing that we learn is that Ra.Xor.2 IS NOT MAFIA!. This is evident due to his inactivity. The past 3 days, all the mafia has done is sit around and watch the townspeople kill themselves. In all three town decisions, somebody was lynched due to "suspicious inactivity". The case is exactly the same with Ra.Xor.2. Jayme even admitted it that he felt there was no point in defending himself so he didn't. I am sure Ra.Xor.2 feels the same way.
I know lots of you believe that "clues point to Ra.Xor.2". I think we can all agree that behavior and voting analysis says a lot more than relying on ambiguous clues of which we know absolutely nothing about (especially because this is Pyrry's first game). Thus it is important we do not take this stuff for granted (as we have in the past).
If we keep sitting around like we have been this entire day mafia are going to win!. I am the only chance we have left to win. As l10f has convieniently laid out for us we need to lynch two mafia otherwise it's gg. Lynching Ra.Xor.2 is just fitting into the mafia plan. Even if Pawsom is mafia they can afford to sacrifice one person.
Although most of the evidence against Pawsom is based on clues, I have found some interesting posts about him:
On May 20 2009 18:02 Pawsom wrote:
I don't know dude. Seems like a waste to me. If we double lynch on day 2, we still might not be sure, or close enough to sure about certain players. Also, how does that give us a higher chance of hitting red? We'll have a higher chance once there are less players, and once we have more clues.
obviously double lynches help the townspeople, as it gives more chances to kill a mafia. Lack of wanting to kill mafia is ....
Most of Pawsom's posts after the first day consist of him trying to pinpoint clues to people. However notice how he usually states things that have already been noticed by other players. Although it may seem like he is contributing, he is not; he's just restating things to appear like he's a helpful townsperson.
I would like to point attention now to ydg. His recent posting is up for suspicion.
On May 28 2009 07:48 ydg wrote:
Okay I finally caught up, wow so much has happened, good thing I wasn't killed.
My first impressions: wow at the mafia hitting. Mafia is basically shooting itself by killing mostly greens and hitting protected peoples, even though we lynched a medic.
Do you really think mafia is shooting itself? By hitting unsuspected people, the mafia have avoided medic saves (except last night) and now we are in quite a rut. The mafia is so close to winning right now. In addition, ydg also took a long time to roleclaim to teks. His recent posts about the clues is useless to the town, same with Pawsom's attempt to analyze past days' posts.
l10f is also guilty of mafia behavior. As I said he for sure came up mafia in the role check. teks is convinced he's a miller based on a list l10f sent him. It looks like this:
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This is in order of whom I think is most likely to be mafia to the least
1. Chaoser <- I think his is definite
2. Ra.Xor.2 <- If he roleclaimed townie, I'm pretty sure
3. wurm <- Clues pointing to him a lot
4. epicdoom <- see my past post on him
5. clazziquai
6. phelix
the bottom two I'm not too sure of. Good luck.
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I can tell you for sure, based on the numbers, at least 3 people on the list have to be mafia. What's the point in sending this list to teks? teks already knows nearly everybody's roles. Not to mention teks is not going to do anything about this. If he had posted it in thread with actual evidence, it would be a different story. Not to mention his opinions on each person are rather simple. "I think his is definite", "clues pointing to him a lot" hold absolute no meaning.
Why he send a list to teks then? He wants to appear that he is indeed trying to help the town by thinking of a list of suspicions. He knows teks knows nearly everything, and put his own comrades on it to not look suspicious. Had he sent a list with just three people on it, it'd probably be safe to assume those three people are not mafia. Instead he tried to hide.
Furthermore look at this post
On May 27 2009 14:36 l10f wrote:
If we can't lynch two mafias today.. It'll really take a miracle.
11 7
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This is so difficult, especially with both millers living.
The town has a good chance of winning if Shikyo is not Mafia and we get two mafia kills today.
My shot's on chaoser and Ra.Xor.2, but willing to wait for other people's opinions. Some of you think I'm mafia, and I don't have much defence except that the clues that people pointed at me are very loose and weak.
We can do it! We just have to get two mafias, and hope that Shikyo isn't one. If he is one, I believe it's too late anyway to change anything. Your call.
The only useful thing is the countdown, which I might add we have already figured out multiple times. See a pattern? Notice how he keeps repeating things already said "millers living...need two mafia kills today". He refuses to defend himself, saying all the clues are "weak". At the end, he posts a "We can do it!", almost sarcastic. His talks about Shikyo mean nothing. Overall he is not contributing at all to the town.
Most of his other posts are lacking in anything useful, most of the time merely restating something already been said. In one post he even says
On May 23 2009 10:59 l10f wrote:
I have been completely useless to this game, mostly because I'm afraid to speak out with my ideas, and all the good ones are given by the experienced player, so I just agree with them, or state my simple, humble opinion.
From tomorrow I'll try to take time to make some analysis as well and contribute to the town.
I think this screams mafia more than anything. He doesn't want to say anything at all, and this coincides with the mafia strategy: sit back and watch the town kill themselves. He says he'd try to contribute to the town, we know that didn't happen.
The recent accusation against motbob was to try to see if any other mafia would take the bait. So far, wurm is the only one who did. I am suspicious of him as well.
Summary: We cannot lynch Ra.Xor.2. So far we have only lynched townspeople, and they all have the same "there's nothing I can do" attitude. This time we can learn from our mistakes. l10f, ydg, Pawsom are for sure mafia. Wurm is suspicious as well. It's important we vote two mafia tonight. By listening to me, the town can win.
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Some things on wurm
On May 25 2009 18:11 wurm wrote:
Whew, that was a lot of reading. Thoughts so far:
I admit, I do find Shikyo's behavior very strange. Especially during Day 2 voting. He is one of our 2 elected officials and he has a lot of sway, he could've swayed the vote away from Jayme, if he wanted to. His accusation list is also concerning. 2 out of 8 people he has accused has flipped green.
On to the voting thread, I found it strange that omG.[RaYnE] was the first to vote, on iLoveKTF. No explanation, not even a post here to explain why he picked iLoveKTF for the lynch.
I want to help by going on clue and behavior analysis, but a lot of you guys are especially good at it and what i want to say has already been said. So yeah.
Outside of not saying anything useful, his last paragraphy is very interesting. He wants to help the town but he's not since apparently 'we're doing a good job'. Notice the similarity to l10f's post in my previous post. Both say that they don't talk because everything they want to say has already been said. Then notice that when they do post, it is exactly this that they post: things that have been already said.
The correlation between all these people should say enough.
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Phelix now
On May 27 2009 14:58 Phelix wrote:There must be a medic protection from last night. So we still have a shot at winning today if we get two mafias. Clue Analysis! Well, the clues on chaoser are very obvious, with the Pokemon and ninja reference. The blond hair reference probably refers to epicdoom's poll of women. This reference refers to religion, and Ra.Xor.2 is the best fit for that clue. This reference could refer to epicdoom's nationality of India, known for their strong odors (food). This might be a stretch of the clues. Then the murderer used explosives instead to kill vx70GTOJudgexv. Seems to me that this could refer to someone has an icon that deals explosive or splash damage. Again, this might be a stretch. To fellow townies that have surrendered/inactive: There is still a shot for the town to win! Your votes could stop the mafia from bandwagoning. Posting more will separate the townies from the mafia, drawing them out so that we can lynch them.
If Ra.Xor.2 is townsperson like I believe he is, then why does everyone who I suspect keep wanting to kill him? It's because he is not mafia and by lynching him the mafia will win.
Also notice the same encouragement given by l10f in his statement. He wants to stop the mafia from bandwagoning, well if look at the votes that's exactly what is happening, with or without the mafia's influence. He wants us to post more in order to draw out mafia, and that's REALLY been happening hasn't it guys?
On May 25 2009 20:33 Shikyo wrote:
Phelix. He's been inactive for a while. But know what's strange? around 5:30am on May 23 I sent him a PM asking if he was a blue and got a response in just a few hours. So he was around then. He said that he would be more active if I wanted him to, and told me he was a townie. I told him that thought that he wasn't mafia, and then he just disappeared. So it actually seems like he's mafia to me.
I don't think I need to do much explaining...
On May 23 2009 14:10 Phelix wrote:
The reason I voted for Jayme was that I believed in the fellow townies clue analysis. With regards to lynching, of course we want to lynch mafia. But if there are only a few clues that point to the mafia, the only other response is to lynch inactive townies, because they do not contribute, even if they are blue. Inactive townies help the mafia more by giving the mafia cover and hiding amongst the inactives, thus not narrowing down the list of mafia.
As we can easily see, lynching inactive townies IS BAD FOR TOWNSPEOPLE. This entire game has been trying to lynch inactive townspeople and missing, as the mafia sit back and watch us scramble with nothing to go on. Phelix has practically given out their mafia plan.
As with Phelix, and everybody else I have thus mention, they have all posted clue analysis which has already been said. Clue analysis is all in all useless anyways, as I laid out in my previous argument. All these people try clue analysis and post things repeatedly or don't say much about it at all. This is blantly obvious, but if you need me to I can point out specific posts from all my suspects thus far.
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Okay I'm going to say this again and hopefully you guys will listen:
Do you remember what happened the past 3 lynches when we tried to get a supposed mafia? Every time the person was inactive because they "gave up" and thought it was hopeless. Ra.Xor.2 is exactly the same. I'm relatively certain he's just an innocent townie like the rest. And anyways we have more convincing evidence against other people. I base all my analysis off of behavior, which is a lot more convincing than clues. We tried to base our other lynches off of clues and look at what happened.
There's still a chance Ra.Xor.2 is mafia. Just given our desperate situation we need to go with the most likely. Taking chances like this is going to lose us the game.
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On May 29 2009 02:38 motbob wrote:
Shouldn't you have said this when like
i don't know
we were deciding who to lynch?
I have been saying this the entire game. I have never been on the bandwagon vote because it's plainly obvious that all those people were townspeople (Rayne, Jayme, etc).
You're supposed to learn from your mistakes not keep making them.
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And everybody needs to change your vote off of Ra.Xor.2. Notice how nearly everyone I suspect has voted for him. Nothing is going to happen if the vote stays the way it is.
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On May 29 2009 04:08 motbob wrote:
Everyone you suspect has voted for Pawsom, too. Should we take our votes off of him?
It's more important to take votes of Ra.Xor.2 right now. Ideally, yes we should. I have not voted for Pawsom either for good reasons.
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On May 29 2009 04:30 JeeJee wrote:
damn u's annoying foolishness. im throwing ur ass in jail, enjoy your dt powers (or lack thereof). do not pass Go. do not collect $200. go straight to jail
kthxbai
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On May 29 2009 09:52 motbob wrote:
WTF IS GOING ON
Can someone please explain why everyone is spreading out their votes?
What the hell? I hope you guys are on at midnight to fix whatever the mafia try to pull.
Did you not read my long gigantic posts? I basically figured out half the mafia. And I don't think killing Ra.Xor.2 is the best option right now.
If anything is clear, its that we are not currently voting for two mafia.
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Honestly what are you guys talking about? I have PMed both JeeJee and crate but both are too SHIKYO IS MAFIA SHIKYO IS MAFIA SO IS RA.XOR.2
I told you guys WHAT TO DO! DONT VOTE FOR RA.XOR.2!!! Change to l10f, who is confirmed mafia, rather than Ra.Xor.2, who is just speculation.
The lack of mafia freaking out indicates that we are not killing two mafia. Pawsom seems more likely mafia than Ra.Xor.2, so I'm willing to bet Ra.Xor.2 is not mafia.
crate and JeeJee are easily the reasons this is a town loss. The whole Shikyo is mafia is beyond ridiculous.
What should happen is this:
tonight: town lynches l10f and pawsom: 2 mafia down.
Night: Assume mafia get two kills:
Tomorrow: lynch ydg and phelix
From there with 4 mafia down we got the game in the bag. It will be easy to narrow down the remainders, especially considering wurm is probably mafia. If a few more townspeople die we will know who is left. Then it is gg mafia.
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You guys also realize half my suspects are voting Ra.Xor.2. This is mafia win unless we vote l10f
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On May 29 2009 11:59 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2009 11:45 Foolishness wrote:
Honestly what are you guys talking about? I have PMed both JeeJee and crate but both are too SHIKYO IS MAFIA SHIKYO IS MAFIA SO IS RA.XOR.2
I told you guys WHAT TO DO! DONT VOTE FOR RA.XOR.2!!! Change to l10f, who is confirmed mafia, rather than Ra.Xor.2, who is just speculation.
The lack of mafia freaking out indicates that we are not killing two mafia. Pawsom seems more likely mafia than Ra.Xor.2, so I'm willing to bet Ra.Xor.2 is not mafia.
crate and JeeJee are easily the reasons this is a town loss. The whole Shikyo is mafia is beyond ridiculous.
What should happen is this:
tonight: town lynches l10f and pawsom: 2 mafia down.
Night: Assume mafia get two kills:
Tomorrow: lynch ydg and phelix
From there with 4 mafia down we got the game in the bag. It will be easy to narrow down the remainders, especially considering wurm is probably mafia. If a few more townspeople die we will know who is left. Then it is gg mafia. If you're so high on behavioral analysis then look up l10f's posting history. It's clear he's a Miller.
...did you not read any of my long posts up above?
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Please make the night post Pyrry so I can yell and scream at everyone
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What a surprise....Ra.Xor.2 wasn't mafia
gg mafia
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On May 29 2009 12:50 JeeJee wrote:
it's ok
ill be in charge of medics tonight unlike some noob that's in jail at the moment who fails. hard.
i'll yomi the fuck out of mafia and only one hit will land
observe.
Regardless of whether Shikyo is mafia, you're one of the main reasons the town lost
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On May 18 2009 14:48 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
The game is very imbalanced toward the mafia unless town members speak up to drown out the mafia's mischievous voices and votes.
gj town
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Oops, my bad. We've been double lynching the past two days I forget that we're only supposed to kill one lol
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On May 29 2009 15:31 motbob wrote:
Guys, it's over. Mafia has 8 voting power, town has 7. Tomorrow we will have 6 or less. Pyrr, stop the game please.
and who's fault is that huh?
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You guys realise we have shikyo who has 3 votes yeah?
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I'm honestly speechless after reading the past 20 posts or so...
JeeJee, perhaps you should listen to reason, it may be the case that your stubborness is why you're not in the vet game.
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You guys ever consider the clue is linked to someone else? We have no idea how Pyrry writes his clues, and clues are stupid to draw conclusions from. I draw all my analysis from behavior.
What's more convincing? Random clue analysis or behavior analysis? I have proof to back up that certain people are mafia. Saying a "clue" might point to "shikyo" is garbage.
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It's been 24 hours, night should be over
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@JeeJee - just cause a clue points to someone doesn't mean it points to Shikyo.
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I rolechecked l10f. He is mafia. Why you ignore me?
That's more convincing than any cluecheck
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especially with one miller already dead...oh wait he was mafia right? You were soooo sure that he was mafia right?
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Only JeeJee looks stupid right now. Earlier, you were just as stupid, but at least you can learn from mistakes, unlike JeeJee.
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rofl, i'm not even going to try anymore
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You know if Shikyo was mafia, mafia would have 8 votes and town would have 7. I think pyrry would have ended the game if that was the case...
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We still had a chance until we lynched ra.xor.2
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gg everybody, and thanks Pyrry for hosting!
I tried my best I guess lol
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On May 31 2009 08:05 Ace wrote:
I don't know man.
I'm sitting on Garena teamchat and JeeJee and Elemenope says you're useless.
I stopped reading the thread so I just asked some basic questions(this happened over a few days):
Did you find any mafia? No
How many townies died? a lot
I find out that Shikyo tells JeeJee to investigate Foolishness, and finds him a DT.
Shikyo knows both DTs but doesn't tell the town even though he's invincible (doing this would be a good mafia pressure tactic).
Foolishness doesn't believe JeeJee is a legit DT, and Shikyo is apparently doing nothing about this.
Knowing BOTH DTs and being invincible you still can't find ONE solid person to investigate after your mayoral campaign was pretty much putting the town on your back.
After all this info I just said you had to be mafia or completely retarded.
Oh well pick your poison huh?
I only didn't believe JeeJee a DT until he rolechecked me. This occurred because we checked the same clue during the first night. JeeJee made a post about a birdie telling him that the clue wasn't pointing to anyone. At the time, this meant to me that Shikyo told JeeJee what clue I checked (since the chance we actually checked the same clue is very low). Why Shikyo would give away my role to JeeJee made no sense. Furthermore, JeeJee kept PMing me calling me a birdie. Thus it seemed that JeeJee knew my role even though I never talked to him. It also took JeeJee about twenty PM's before he finally admitted he was the DT and rolechecked me, even after Shikyo told me.
And Shikyo, Ace cannot just play the games he's in. Did you not see Ace's recent performance? He sucked.
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On May 31 2009 08:20 Shikyo wrote:
Oh, so it was JeeJee who failed to tell you he was a DT? Why doesn't this surprise me in the slightest?
Because JeeJee is a terrible player and he was being influenced by another terrible player, Ace.
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Well, I'm sorry for not telling you all what to do, and when I did it was too late.
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