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Foolishness
United States3043 Posts
On May 18 2009 15:46 So no fek wrote:
Only problem I have with the Day 1 lynch is that there shouldn't be any activity in this game due to the new inactivity rules. Granted there will probably always be people who will sign up then not participate, but it's still a wasted lynch as they'll die soon anyway. But I do see why you'd do that, there not being enough clues to go off the first day (any solid ones anyway), throwing away a lynch on someone who's going to die anyway is probably better than lynching a townie.
On the contrary, lynching someone because they are inactive is quite the bad idea. We should be lynching people because they are acting suspicious or because we have clues about them. Killing someone we have no information about would be the foolish thing to do, we may be killing a blue role without knowing it.
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Foolishness
United States3043 Posts
I'm glad that you all feel the same way I do about it. In response to Jimtudor, it is much better to kill someone based of behavioral analysis than an inactive, even though it is the first day and we don't have much to go on.
The_Master: if inactives are going to get killed anyways, why bother killing them now? Even on the first day there will still be suspicious people, you just have to read between the lines to weed them out.
I also would like to see more people run for office! The more competition the better!
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Foolishness
United States3043 Posts
Shikyo, it is interesting that you mention mafia only have 6 votes for a person, obviously since a candidate cannot vote for himself. Looking at what's happened so far, you have not yet voted for someone, and you also have stated that you are iffy about voting altogether. Clearly, a mafia running for office would not vote for anyone else as that would lessen the chances of him winning. Also not to mention you have received some votes from some not very active people, which seems suspicious.
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Foolishness
United States3043 Posts
Also to mention, Jayme has been very good about dodging all the clues people are trying to point to him so far
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Foolishness
United States3043 Posts
This is a small game? o.O
At this point, all the mafia can vote for one person if that person is clearly going to win, based on bandwagoning.
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Foolishness
United States3043 Posts
good to know 
We also have another person who made one post so far now voting for Shikyo, even after he said he was going to vote for someone else (although this was before Shikyo announced he was running). Seems kinda strange he would straight up change his vote without saying anything at all. I suppose "bandwagoning" as you guys call it happens a lot....unless there's something else going on.
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Foolishness
United States3043 Posts
On May 19 2009 10:18 Shikyo wrote:
I love how Foolishness is basically doing nothing in this thread but casting suspicion on me, without actually considering for a second that it might be possible that some people actually like my campaign better than the others'. I think before this he only posted twice before, let's see... Oh, you were saying that lynching inactives is a bad idea and that we should be lynching suspicious people, and then you're basically saying that I'm that suspicious person. Interesting, although I don't really find a person, who says that lynching inactives is a bad idea, all that credible.
So what if I'm casting suspicion on you? So far nobody else has stepped up to do the same. You have sat here uncontestently running for office (hardly any of the other candidates have said something against you). People are jumping on the bandwagon believing you because your election ballot was more charasmatic and well written than any of the others, and because you have remained the most active poster so far.
I'm sorry for throwing suspicion on you it's nothing personal. I don't want a random person getting into office without knowing his/her true intentions (and I'm sure you wouldn't either).
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Foolishness
United States3043 Posts
Shikyo, just because I've only made a few posts has nothing to do with you getting elected or acting suspicious. Just because you have made the most posts doesn't make you a winner.
With that being said, I am running for sheriff.
Why? Because I am not Shikyo.
So far this game, Shikyo has done nothing but post a lot and write a very charismatic ballot. He has run uncontested, and none of the other candidates are willing to step up against him. There has hardly been any debate between him and the other candidates. We cannot let him gain control of an office position so easily like this.
There are many suspicious activities going on with his office running. He labeled out the scenario how mafia get 6 votes, and he chooses to obstain his vote, thereby gaining his chance of him getting into office. It is necessary to point out how the mafia would probably not all vote for the same person, but in the scenario where one person is dominating they clearly would.
Shikyo has been obtaining votes from the most random of people. People who have not backed up their reasoning and people who have not voted at all. In one case, someone clearly stated that they were voting for one of the other candidates (although this was prior to Shikyo's running), but then voted for Shikyo without saying a word about it (and then latter ignored this fact when he finally did post).
Shikyo has seemed like a good candidate until I raised possible suspicion about him. I clearly was not accusing him of anything, I just wanted to hear what he had to say. Instead he retorted almost angerily at me, implying that my posts meant nothing since I have only posted a few times. It is only natural for me to want to make sure we as a town are electing the best people into office. Someone who goes on the defensive when asked why the situation does not add up is not the person we want in office.
However I do not possess any qualities that would make me good candidate other than I am not Shikyo. This would be my first mafia game on TL, and none of you have any information about me. But this is all irrelevant. You can cast your vote and put a suspicious person into office or put your vote to better use. Just because he posts a lot does not make him the best choice.
You can vote for Shikyo and secure the fact that there will be suspicious happenings, or you can vote for me to ensure the town a victory. Even if you don't want to vote for me, pick someone else besides Shikyo.
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Foolishness
United States3043 Posts
EBWOP: Should say: "People who have not backed up their reasoning and people who have not posted at all"
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Foolishness
United States3043 Posts
On May 19 2009 14:06 Jimtudor wrote:
The intention of your post seems swell enough but you have not said anything substantial to back it up. It's pretty obvious why he is running uncontested, because frankly his activity and his posts are a cut above the other candidates right now.
Your campaign message is: Run away from the bogeyman.
Well, that's not going to cut it. Where's your plan? How are we going to succeed? Where are the flaws in Shikyo's statements? Have you got any clues that might cast suspicion on him?
As I said, it seems to me the only reason his posts are above the other candidates is because he is posting more frequently, and because nobody has stood up against him.
I will try to summarize my suspicions against Shikyo. People are voting for him that have not said anything including someone who said he was going to vote for someone else (and then later avoided this fact when asked about it). More importantly, when I asked Shikyo about my suspicions, he retorted at me and implied in one of his comments that my facts were irrelevant because I have not posted much. His defensive outtake on my comments clearly indicates that something's up (even though I clearly did not accuse him of anything in my initial comments).
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Foolishness
United States3043 Posts
I like how most of you are trying to lay out plans, especially crate's idea. However I think we should worry about the election first, then get down to the business of killing and saving those in need. Planning ahead is good though
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Foolishness
United States3043 Posts
Sorry for quieting down I try to check up on here as much as I can
Shikyo, as I stated before I don't want someone being freely elected into office without someone to stand up against him first. You were freely riding your way into office and none of the other candidates wanted to do anything about it.
I have considered the scenario you pointed out with me being mafia. But as you said even you find it hard to believe that's true, so that should give you your answer.
What's more likely is that you are mafia as I suspect and I'm just trying to get you from being in office (as any good townie should be doing). But even this is a small chance.
I will post more in a bit.
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Foolishness
United States3043 Posts
It seems people are leaning towards lynching Jayme.
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Foolishness
United States3043 Posts
That would be called bandwagoning. At this point changing votes seems like mafia members moving around to get one of their own into office.
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Foolishness
United States3043 Posts
I agree with crate in that lynching JimTudor because he is suspicious is a bad idea because he is actively posting and contributing. If he is red he will only become more suspicious. (these ideas are independent of the fact that I voted for him).
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Foolishness
United States3043 Posts
On May 20 2009 08:33 teks wrote:
I'm not saying to lynch you, as others have mentioned you are an active and experienced player that it would suck to lose this early if you were to be a townie. But we should, as with any other suspect, keep an eye out when the clue comes, and also watch your behavior. But any inactive voters with few posts in this thread, that's a whole other story.
My reason for believing you are mafia is really quite simple, elimination rule. I don't think Shikyo or JeeJee are mafia, and I do expect mafia to have one of the top contenders in the election. This is obviously not enough to lynch anyone, and I don't see that happening yet either. We could all be wrong, we could end up with mafia in our office, but that will be something we will have to deal with if it comes to it.
JimTudor is a top spot in the election? o.O he is behind by 4 votes which is a lot at this stage in the game.
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Foolishness
United States3043 Posts
Shikyo, is you putting yourself on the medic list implying that you are medic?
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Foolishness
United States3043 Posts
It seems to me if the mafia wanted to knock of the medic list, they would pick someone on it (as opposed to JimTudor who was only half on the list) and stack votes. Unless they figure nobody would save Jim since he was only half on the list. Perhaps medics made a save.
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Foolishness
United States3043 Posts
Analyzing me is quite pointless, we should be focused on killing Shikyo. It's still apparent that he is mafia. There's still suspicious activity going on with him and we should be very careful of his actions. I'm all up for killing Jayme and possibly double lynch, but I still think Shikyo's the one we should be focused on.
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Foolishness
United States3043 Posts
Isn't it funny how we are killing Jayme based on clues? I can recall many many people saying that clues are not good to go by early in the game. So much for that...
And you know, if I was in Jayme's shoes right now, I wouldn't be trying to defend myself either (unless I was some very important role such as DT). It seems really hopeless for him to say anything.
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