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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 21 2009 21:21 GMT
#410
On May 22 2009 06:15 crate wrote:
And I guess I will also lay out my suspicions for Ra.Xor.2

1. He is inactive due to finals (or claims to be), only possibly skims the thread ... points out clues that we have already seen and discounted, no new clue analysis

2. He says he is almost 100% sure either Jimtudor or JeeJee is mafia. This doesn't sit right with me since I've seen nothing from either of them apart from just running for office. Then again, the timing is stupid for a mafia accusation.

3.
Show nested quote +
Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
Role checks cannot be done night 1, and if Tudor is elected, we can no longer role check him. The same goes for JeeJee. However, if we are able to lynch one of his voters and he flips red, i think lynching him would be a smart move. Again, this can also be applied if JeeJee wins the election.

This is really stupid and he got called on it right away.

4. The clue I linked to the book in his profile, like I said.

My reasons for voting to lynch him:

1. I don't want Jayme to be lynched with no competition so I threw another suspicious name out there right away to make people think. If we just all agree to lynch Jayme we get no information from the day, which is bad in the long term regardless of Jayme's alignment.

2. Raxor hasn't contributed much so far and is maybe trying to hide in the not-quite-inactives; his clue analysis has been repeating stuff others have said (either trying to make himself look useful, trying to make the town focus on something wrong, or just not reading the thread) so even if he does flip towny we don't lose much.

3. Jayme's defense didn't ring alarm bells in my head, though I'm certainly not convinced that Jayme is a bad lynch choice.

4. I want to hear Raxor's defense so I can get a better handle on him: is he just not reading the thread or is he really red?


Fair enough. I know I've seized a bit of a gung-ho take the lead role, but I just want to see this town not fall for foolish things. I know bandwagoning is bad, but I think a blind vote with no justification is just as bad.
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 21 2009 21:22 GMT
#411
dammit I keep forgetting no edits lol. I'm always a click first, edit later poster in the regular forums.

Anyways, I do agree Ra.Xor.2 is a bit suspicious as well, but he didn't set off the alarms that Jayme set off. Hell I rank Clazziquai a higher threat than Ra.Xor.2 as well as a few others, so I was completely shocked to see this come up in a vote with no mention of it.
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 22 2009 00:28 GMT
#427
On May 22 2009 07:20 Koopie wrote:
Definitely sorry for the profile changes... That was very stupid on my behalf. Anyways, some minor analysis, starting with vx70GTOJudgexv.

First, you changed your vote two times. You went from Jimtudor, to Abstain, to zeks.

Then you were against voting inactives and you suddenly changed your mind when Shikyo asked you about it. Then you were all for voting against clazzi, who has some very minor clue analysis pointed out. Although clazzi has been posting more outside of this thread than actually in it. I would be alright with this if you were for voting a more likely inactive player, like Jayme. This just seems like a shot in the dark for me that doesn't make too much sense when stacked upon other options.

A quote from you: "Fair enough. I know I've seized a bit of a gung-ho take the lead role, but I just want to see this town not fall for foolish things. I know bandwagoning is bad, but I think a blind vote with no justification is just as bad."

And now you ARE for voting Jayme... which seems to be the bandwagon vote. Okay. Although I definitely agree with lynching Jayme, it just seems odd that you're bouncing around everywhere.





Yes, I changed my vote twice in the mayor vote. I voted for jimtudor because I voted prematurely, before JeeJee/zeks/etc put in their bids. Then I saw them put in their bids. So I changed to abstain in case voting closed before I got a chance to read their proposals. Then I got to read them. I felt Zeks was best then I finally cast my final ballot.

I started off against an inactive because I didn't think it would be the right thing to do with this newbie game, because I figured we might see some blues lay low. It turns out it just seemed (on the surface) to be the same as other games, just with noobies. Clazzi I did some background on, and it seemed like similar to his other game he played here on TL where he was mafia.

I started the "bandwagon" for Jayme on this lynch. I said to people, "Vote for Jayme." I'm not "bandwagoning" like you think I am.
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 22 2009 01:41 GMT
#430
On May 22 2009 10:14 crate wrote:
Ok so I went through the voting from yesterday and here is the tally of every vote sorted by candidate then by time

Day 1 Voting
+ Show Spoiler +
Shikyo
teks (23:46 18th)
softer (3:50 19th)
Knutti (3:54 19th)
EsbenPM (4:11 19th)
l10f (6:37 19th)
so no fek (7:00 19th) (to JeeJee)
Pawsom (9:29 19th)
omG.[RaYnE] (10:06 19th)
clazziquai (3:30 20th)
Therapy (6:35 20th) (from abstain)
Jimtudor (10:58 20th) (from zeks)

Jimtudor
vx70GTOJudgexv (6:43 19th) (to abstain)
Phelix (7:27 19th)
wurm (11:49 19th)
The_Master (15:13 19th) (to JeeJee)
chaoser (1:51 20th)
Foolishness (4:06 20th)

iLoveKTF

Foolishness

JeeJee
BWdero (4:23 19th)
ydg (5:07 19th)
iLoveKTF (10:47 19th)
Jayme (13:23 19th)
Ra.Xor.2 (5:19 20th)
crate (5:29 20th)
zeks (6:17 20th) (from abstain)
The_Master (7:18 20th) (from Jimtudor)
so no fek (9:59 20th) (from Shikyo)
Koopie (10:28 20th)

zeks
vx70GTOJudgexv (20:47 19th) (from abstain from Jimtudor)
Jimtudor (2:23 20th) (to Shikyo)

Abstain
Shikyo (23:56 18th)
JeeJee (9:38 19th)
epicdoom (9:59 19th)
vx70GTOJudgexv (17:12 19th) (from Jimtudor; to zeks)
motbob (20:05 19th)
Therapy (0:19 20th) (to Shikyo)
zeks (4:33 20th) (to JeeJee)

no vote
Adriix33
sugiuramidori


Vote changes (chronological order; reasoning alongside if I could find any):
+ Show Spoiler +
vx70GTOJudgexv (from Jimtudor to abstain)
reason: new candidates, temporary

vx70GTOJudgexv (from abstain to zeks)
reason: best platform

zeks (from abstain to JeeJee)
reason: gut feeling to trust JeeJee over Jimtudor (?)

Therapy (from abstain to Shikyo)
reason: zeks and JeeJee proposed lynching him

The_Master (from Jimtudor to JeeJee)
reason: character role post. Says he might support Shikyo more but is voting for second-in-command; timing right after some suspicion of Jimtudor's "bandwagon" voters

so no fek (from Shikyo to JeeJee)
reason: JeeJee's role-helper post

Jimtudor (from zeks to Shikyo)
reason:"Changed my vote to Shikyo as I feel he is the strongest candidate with the best plan that has a chance at top office."


I do not feel up to trying to make connections just yet so here are the facts I could find in what I think is a far easier to peruse format.


Good records to have.

About Jayme, trust me, we also have other people in mind. Granted we're not as vehement about them, but I've got ideas about other people possibly based on behavior. Like I said, I think clazziquai is a red, and we'll see with Day 3 possibly, depending on clues. There are others under suspicion. Ra.Xor.2, for instance. Motbob, as well. There are people we're all looking towards, however right now most of us feel most confident in Jayme.

Also, a medic list:

    [b]
  • iLoveKTF
  • vx70GTOJudgexv (subject to all yours' approval)
  • crate
  • zeks
  • ydg
  • teks
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 22 2009 01:41 GMT
#431
Oops stray formatting tag :p
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 22 2009 02:53 GMT
#435
+ Show Spoiler [# of Posts by Player] +

iLoveKTF - 23
chaoser - 19
pawsom - 7
Foolishness - 19
omG.[RaYnE] - 1
clazziquai - 1
motbob - 2
Jayme - 4
crate - 33
Shikyo - 45
wurm - 7
zeks - 19
adriix33 - 0
so no fek - 18
ydg - 5
SugiuraMidori - 2
vx70GTOJudgexv - 45
Ra.Xor.2 - 8
The_Master - 9
EsbenPM - 11
teks - 34
Knutti - 1
JeeJee - 25
Koopie - 7
l10f - 26
phelix - 7
BWdero - 10
epicdoom - 0
+ Show Spoiler [Sorted Values] +

High-to-Low
Shikyo 45
vx70GTOJudgexv 45
teks 34
crate 33
l10f 26
JeeJee 25
iLoveKTF 23
chaoser 19
Foolishness 19
zeks 19
so no fek 18
EsbenPM 11
bwdero 10
The_Master 9
Ra.Xor.2 8
Pawsom 7
wurm 7
Koopie 7
phelix 7
ydg 5
Jayme 4
motbob 2
sugiuramidori 2
omG.[RaYnE] 1
clazziquai 1
Knutti 1
adriix33 0
epicdoom 0


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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 22 2009 02:55 GMT
#436
BTW - a) those numbers were right up until I posted that. I refreshed quickly.
b) We have 1 probably mod-kill in Adriix33, for the record.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 22 2009 03:36 GMT
#439
On May 22 2009 12:32 Foolishness wrote:
Isn't it funny how we are killing Jayme based on clues? I can recall many many people saying that clues are not good to go by early in the game. So much for that...

And you know, if I was in Jayme's shoes right now, I wouldn't be trying to defend myself either (unless I was some very important role such as DT). It seems really hopeless for him to say anything.


If you're gonna quote, quote correctly. Many people said we should go off of day 1 clues, which we're not. The same people said we should wait for day 2 clues. We also happened to pick someone who's behavior seems sketchy as well.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 22 2009 11:08 GMT
#463
Softer seems like he was just a random mafia kill tbh. Maybe just mafia hitting someone they knew was bound to be unprotected. <100 posts overall, no experience, only a handful of input here, but he looked like he wasn't going to lurk as an inactive.

Regarding Jayme or not:

No one else is providing convincing arguments as to anyone else we should be lynching.

Foolishness said:

Jayme occurred 3 times in SugiuraMidori's post...what a suprise. I don't know about you guys, but I liked to be reminded of everything that's already been talked about, so let's keep up the good work in posting the same thing over and over again.

On that note, Shikyo needs to die, and Jayme is clearly innocent. But please don't let me stop anyone from bandwagoning


You wanna stop the "bandwagon"? Tell us more why you think Shikyo should be lynched, aside that from a lot of people voted for him. Yes there was obviously a bandwagon there, I realize this, but that doesn't necessarily throw mafia on him, otherwise we should probably double lynch the mayor AND sheriff tomorrow if that's all you've got.

One thing that's confusing me about the people who are accusing Shikyo because jimtudor was on the medic list is they are only accusing Shikyo. You do realize jimtudor was on other people's medic lists (including my own), right? Yet the only one they accuse of any suspicion based on that is Shikyo.

The crepuscular clue is NOT the only clue pointing to Jayme, if you read the thread you'd know that. The cat mage is most definitely being relied on, because it's about all we have from his profile. Jayme has no public profile, and a quote about python. Now his behavior is what sets off the red flags:

+ Show Spoiler [Jayme posts] +

On May 18 2009 15:12 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2009 14:52 nemY wrote:
Ok well... I hate to do this, especially because this is not the way I'd like to earn mayor/pardoner position, but I feel it must be done... folks of Liquidia, I'm one of the two Detectives. Why have I came out and admitted this? Because I feel that my position may have already been compromised. I've received PMs from multiple individuals who seem to think that I may be a blue, and now I'm confirming it. Why am I confirming this? Because if people that have PMed are smart enough to sense that I'm a possible blue then the mafia already knows this and probably has me under their crosshairs. I'll admit, I don't carry the swagger of Ace, possess the intuitiveness of Mynock, and actually in general, I'm a pretty sucky townie. This wouldn't be that big of a deal if I was a townie, but I'm not!


All this said I realize this is going to take a lot of faith from the town. I can't be cross-checked after I'm elected, so this is pretty much an all-or-nothing scenario. Either I'm elected, and safe for awhile, or I'm not and subsequently fucked (along with the town). If elected as mayor/pardoner I plan to use the 3 role checks ASAP, because frankly, the town can't afford for this game to go into extra innings. The sooner we've exhausted all possible true leads, the better and as DT I intend to do this.


I really didn't want/still don't want to do this, but I feel that it's the best possible way to keep at least one DT safe for now. If in the event that I'm not elected... well c'est la vie :/

edit:: Just kidding obv I'm not in this game :D


Thank you mister veteran for giving us the prime example of what not to do

Do not roleclaim so early, especially as a DT unless you like the idea of getting lynched immediately.

P.S Nemy is my hero, go back to your vet game!


On May 18 2009 17:50 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2009 17:03 So no fek wrote:
On May 18 2009 16:25 Foolishness wrote:
On May 18 2009 15:46 So no fek wrote:

Only problem I have with the Day 1 lynch is that there shouldn't be any activity in this game due to the new inactivity rules. Granted there will probably always be people who will sign up then not participate, but it's still a wasted lynch as they'll die soon anyway. But I do see why you'd do that, there not being enough clues to go off the first day (any solid ones anyway), throwing away a lynch on someone who's going to die anyway is probably better than lynching a townie.


On the contrary, lynching someone because they are inactive is quite the bad idea. We should be lynching people because they are acting suspicious or because we have clues about them. Killing someone we have no information about would be the foolish thing to do, we may be killing a blue role without knowing it.



I know, and agree entirely. I was just supporting it, to an extent, because iLoveKTF is suggesting lynching an inactive who will be mod killed in a day anyway (effectively throwing the mayor lynch away, in the hopes of not lynching a townie/someone contributing). Lynching someone suspicious should always be done over lynching someone inactive, however, we're at a point where we don't have much to go on at all.


The whole mod killing thing adds a different dynamic to this game really.

Before it was okay to just lynch some inactive fool in lue of no hints because it was safe and even if you hit a blue... an inactive blue is pretty wasteful. Good for drawing fire and nothing else.

The day 1 clues are completely ambiguous at best, with only the car horn seeming oddly placed for me. Well that and decaffeinated coffee.. WHO DRINKS THAT!? Day 2 would help immensely with cross checking potential, have to see when the sleepy people wake up to see how they react. Not many people around yet.



On May 19 2009 08:12 Jayme wrote:
What bothers me most about this bandwagon... or start of one really is that Shikyo hasn't really done anything for his platform to warrant this sort of response.

It's a game filled with newer players, a great deal of which might just wait behind the scenes and go with what popular opinion is to not get lynched. All you would really need is a few confidence votes or at least the illusion of one and you'd definitely get the surge of voting needed to bring out other people to your cause.



On May 19 2009 13:29 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2009 08:28 Shikyo wrote:
Oh yeah, Jayme. What do you think about all the clues people are trying to link to you?


I'll address this right now.

What clues?

The only thing I have seen even remotely linked to me is the word "creep" and my pet zergling icon. I don't need to remind you that we have at least 8 players with zerg icons playing this game. You will be rather hard pressed to validate anything based solely on that.

This all being said I voted for JeeJee. His behavior analysis has always been pretty spot on and going through past games it should be blatantly obvious if he's not for the town... setting him up for a lynch down the road.



Notice how he completely sidestepped the cat clue, which had been pointed to before he made that post. Now that could be one of a few things:

1) He warranted it a weak enough clue that he didn't need to concern himself with it.
2) He didn't read the thread and see it come up.
3) It was in fact a clue and he simply had nothing to respond to it

The fact of the matter is, he's disappeard at this point from the game.

However, all I'm seeing at this point is a small group of people banding together on suspicions of Shikyo with absolutely nothing clue wise pointing his way, and who can't even get their own shit straight.

+ Show Spoiler [Foolishness - Selected Posts] +

On May 22 2009 07:37 Foolishness wrote:
Analyzing me is quite pointless, we should be focused on killing Shikyo. It's still apparent that he is mafia. There's still suspicious activity going on with him and we should be very careful of his actions. I'm all up for killing Jayme and possibly double lynch, but I still think Shikyo's the one we should be focused on.


On May 22 2009 12:32 Foolishness wrote:
Isn't it funny how we are killing Jayme based on clues? I can recall many many people saying that clues are not good to go by early in the game. So much for that...

And you know, if I was in Jayme's shoes right now, I wouldn't be trying to defend myself either (unless I was some very important role such as DT). It seems really hopeless for him to say anything.


On May 22 2009 12:41 Foolishness wrote:
Jayme has behavior? Where? He hasn't posted in such a long time...

Seems like we're killing an inactive, not someone who is suspicious...we all know what's going to happen next...



Only thing consistent there is "Kill Shikyo, because I don't trust him". There's no reasoning, just a complete flip on the fence.

Note that not posting is behavior as well btw - it's called possibly laying low.

On May 22 2009 13:24 JeeJee wrote:
well, let's throw out a name like l10f.
lemme pull up his history
36 27. l10f - bandwagon, puppydog, 'large arg from minute details'(*), against jimmy&the_master, for inactives, votes, no posts 3/5##

comments?
(i won't be around to read them i'm going to sleep)
we have like what, another 24 hours of day left? ho-hum.


Not sure I understand this completely. He voted bandwagon in the elections, he makes large arguments from small things and... votes without backing it up?

Granted that seems like it would be a mafia profile, except there's nothing else...

His profile quote is "Britney 2010. I believe. <3" - Not much help there. l10f doesn't get much either, leads to a genetic mutation that I can't understand in Google.

"A mutation in the gene for angiotensinogen, changing the leucine residue at position 10 to a phenylalanine (L10F), has been reported in a patient with proteinuric pre-eclampsia"

Pre-Eclampsia (the disease mentioned)
Preeclampsia is a disorder that occurs only during pregnancy and the postpartum period and affects both the mother and the unborn baby. Affecting at least 5-8% of all pregnancies, it is a rapidly progressive condition characterized by high blood pressure and the presence of protein in the urine. Swelling, sudden weight gain, headaches and changes in vision are important symptoms; however, some women with rapidly advancing disease report few symptoms.


I see nothing there.

+ Show Spoiler [l10f's Posts] +

On May 19 2009 06:43 l10f wrote:
Just go with the flow and vote for Shikyo =]


On May 19 2009 07:10 l10f wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2009 07:04 JeeJee wrote:
On May 19 2009 06:58 So no fek wrote:
On May 19 2009 06:43 l10f wrote:
Just go with the flow and vote for Shikyo =]


Bandwagon voting is never good, however, I'll agree that his campaign is the best.


yeah i agree, bandwagoning must be discouraged.. especially if it's the only post you make in the thread to date. just doesn't look too good


Well, I'm sure he'll end up winning at this rate. Sorry, it's my first time participating, so I don't know what to look out for yet, busy reading the last mafia game :D


On May 19 2009 08:40 l10f wrote:
If you're asking why I voted before I posted, I can't give anything but that I'm a newbie, and when I saw one person had the most votes, I just voted for him. I didn't know that bandwagons were bad for the town. I'll try to understand this game as quickly as possible.

P.S. I'm amazed at how some of you can make such a large arguments from minute details!


On May 19 2009 09:01 l10f wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2009 08:48 JeeJee wrote:
also, @shikyo you can also look at the game where bwdero played in and was mafia.. and also kept his posting style consistent with 'politeness' or whatever. the whole conclusion based on the language analysis part of your post pretty much falls apart there once that is taken into account, it seems.

and l10f, it's clear you're keeping up with the thread given how quickly you pop out of the woodwork when someone mentions your name, so care to elaborate on the current candidates and what you think of them?


Yes, I'm watching every few minutes or so.

So far it's
Shikyo - 6

JeeJee - 2

Jimtudor - 2

I've read every post so far, and Shikyo seems to have great analysis in the opening message (idk what else to call it). Had I read all the posts before voting, I think my vote would have stayed.

JeeJee... doesn't capitalize the first letters in his sentences. I haven't really thought much about him.

Jimtudor- I think that he will be least successful as Sheriff. Not that many posts are here right now so I can't really elaborate why other than my gut feelings.

So I'm for Shikyo. It looks like he's gonna win, and I'm indifferent as to who should become the mayor.


On May 19 2009 09:47 l10f wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2009 09:40 JeeJee wrote:
well, this is a smaller game by TLs standards no doubt, but in general it is actually pretty large. all depends on your point of reference


Yep, the only other times I've played Mafia is with my friends during a retreat, which was with about 15-20 people. We still had very fun games, even though it might be considered "small".

It really depends on from where you're seeing the number of people.


On May 20 2009 06:01 l10f wrote:
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On May 20 2009 05:49 JeeJee wrote:
The recent streak of votes for jimtudor cause me to raise an eyebrow when I look at their history and the lack of jimtudor's posts lately.


That's what I thought too when I looked at the vote results so far, but it might be too soon to point fingers at people. However it's definitely something to watch out for.


Show nested quote +
Oh and finally, given that the mayor race is still pretty close, I fully agree with zeks' reasoning for the first lynch choice being therapy:
I choose therapy.

Justification on therapy:
His one post:


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Hi guys, just chiming in here so I don't get killed for inactiveness. This is my first mafia game besides playing with about 15 friends around 2 years ago so I'm probably not going to be saying anything too profound. I haven't really been swayed by any of the potential sheriff's speech's so far, they sound reasonably intelligent but don't state anything that's beyond just general knowledge or logic. If I dunno who to vote for should I just abstain or should I take a shot in the dark?
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The majority of us have agreed to lynch an inactive for first lynch, and the whole purpose of his one post is so that he won't be on the chopping block for this lynch. It is because of this that makes me suspicious of him. He may have posted once, so it looks like he's better than the ones that haven't posted, but I think his post was as good as nothing. Furthermore, his profile has pretty much one thing to relate clues to: the quote: "Let's start a revolution so I can break some shit." I am linking this to the last part of day 1:

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This isn't the strongest clue, but the links are:
"break some shit" -> "windshield shattered and a wave of glass..."
"start a revolution" -> "sounding a horn"

So because of those two counts and the majority of us wanting to lynch an inactive, I would thus lynch therapy if I were to be elected mayor.




I also think it's a good idea to lynch the inactives (especially someone who posted just so he's not inactive) because they wouldn't be any help to the town even if they turned out to be blue or green.


On May 20 2009 06:11 l10f wrote:
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On May 20 2009 06:08 teks wrote:
On May 20 2009 06:03 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
There are 7 mafia in this game. So far JeeJee is in second place with only 6 votes and Jimtudor is in third with 5 votes. I'm almost 100% sure one of the two is a mafia member and that the people voting for him are mafia. Of the two I believe JimTudor is more suspicious because most of his voters have been mostly inactive. I strongly encourage abstaintees to vote or mafia may elect a mayor with their 7 man voting power.


I'm thinking the same thing. I first thought the mafia candidate was JeeJee, seeing how he was voted on by Jayme and iLoveKTF who already had connections to the possible clues, and BWdero, who was suspected by Shikyo. The latest posts from JeeJee have turned me though, I too think it's probably JimTudor who's the red one here, I might change my vote to JeeJee seeing how Shikyo basically already has secured his spot, and I think it's good that JeeJee agrees with zeks on who to lynch first. I'll wait a bit longer though.


How do you think we should carry out the check on Jimtudor after JeeJee gets the mayor spot? He should definitely be checked out, but I don't know with what method. Lynch him? Role check him?


On May 20 2009 06:20 l10f wrote:
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On May 20 2009 06:14 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
Role checks cannot be done night 1, and if Tudor is elected, we can no longer role check him. The same goes for JeeJee. However, if we are able to lynch one of his voters and he flips red, i think lynching him would be a smart move. Again, this can also be applied if JeeJee wins the election.


So you want to lynch a voter for both JeeJee and Jimtudor, regardless of who wins?


On May 20 2009 07:27 l10f wrote:
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On May 20 2009 07:14 teks wrote:
On May 20 2009 07:10 The_Master wrote:
My vote rested with Jimtudor since at the time I thought he was the better candidate. I changed my vote to JeeJee mostly to thank him for the wonderful post he made about in depth on the different character roles as that helps me play the game better (and it shows he knows the game at least half decently well ).

Am I missing something here? Aren't you still voting on Jimtudor?


And maybe you're changing vote to JeeJee because the town caught attention of Jimtudor and his voters? I don't think it's a good idea for anyone to change votes unless they're going from abstain -> someone.


On May 20 2009 07:54 l10f wrote:
Two more for JeeJee and he passes Shikyo for sheriff

and about my last post, it was directed towards The_Master and not teks


On May 20 2009 08:44 l10f wrote:
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On May 20 2009 08:03 teks wrote:
Edit after post (whatever the abbreviation is, I can't remember it): I see you made a new post saying you're not talking to me, I10f, I didn't really think you were, but I went ahead and answered it anyway :p


I heard editing posts wasn't allowed in Mafia somewhere :o


On May 20 2009 08:47 l10f wrote:
When is the latest that a person can vote or change his/her vote?


On May 20 2009 09:56 l10f wrote:
And there are only 3 medics + sheriff + mayor. That's only 5 people that are protected what about the other two?


On May 20 2009 11:06 l10f wrote:
Shikyo 10 - JeeJee 10 except the vote on JeeJee came before Shikyo's, so that would mean JeeJee would be sheriff if nothing else changes.


On May 20 2009 11:24 l10f wrote:
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On May 20 2009 11:21 Foolishness wrote:
Shikyo, is you putting yourself on the medic list implying that you are medic?


Doesn't sound like it, but JeeJee did say that
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It's simply what the medics themselves should've come up with (or something similar) if they followed my advice by reading the thread from mafia's point of view and deciding who to kill (and consequently, prot).

which implies that he isn't a medic.


On May 20 2009 12:08 l10f wrote:
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On May 20 2009 11:59 zeks wrote:
Fair enough, your defense sounds good. But why are you assuming that the mafia are more experienced than you?


Mafia - any small powerful or influential group in an organization or field; clique. (dictionary.com)


On May 20 2009 12:18 l10f wrote:
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On May 20 2009 12:15 The_Master wrote:
On May 20 2009 11:59 zeks wrote:
Fair enough, your defense sounds good. But why are you assuming that the mafia are more experienced than you?


I'm assuming that the mafia are more experienced than me since this is my first game ever (I haven't even read a full other game, but I'm working on it) and the only way they couldn't be more experienced than me is if all 7 of them have never played this game ever before either. I thought that was a pretty safe assumption.



Well you're working with the townies who've played before too so I don't think it's good to assume the Mafia has more experience than we do.

Irrelevent to the game - I GOT MY ZEALOT ICON!


On May 20 2009 12:34 l10f wrote:
Well technically, Shikyo reached the 10 votes first, then went back down, then JeeJee got 10, the Shikyo got 10, in this case, who wins?


On May 21 2009 08:32 l10f wrote:
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iLoveKTF would be the very next person to be added on the list, so he might as well be added. 6 is a nice number, as well. Jimtudor's activity is becoming a concern, though. Still, he's an experienced player, and that's one of the reasons I have him on the list. iLoveKTF probably should be added to the list, but he still hasn't been exactly the most active person, posting mostly short posts repeating what others have said or clarifying some things said before him.

Medic list:
teks
zeks
Jimtudor
iLoveKTF
vx70GTOJudgexv
crate


6 seems like a good number that's not too much or too little. JeeJee's last post about the medic list is important, I suggest every medic to read it through. However, too many mindgames aren't suggested, or else an extremely important townie might be left unprotected and die because of the medics attempting to be too smart.

I think removing Jimtudor from the medic list would be too soon for the first night's list, especially since vigis can't hit yet. If he doesn't start posting more actively, though, we might have to make some changes for the medic list for the next night.


As JeeJee pointed out earlier, the Mafia will just avoid the medic list if only those 6 are to be protected. Therefore I recommend that medics make their own decisions so at least SOME of the people on the list is protected to keep Mafia on their toes, but occasionally protect other possible targets besides ones on the list. This will give us the highest chances of blocking a hit from the Mafia.


On May 21 2009 09:25 l10f wrote:
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On May 21 2009 09:13 chaoser wrote:
When is night coming?


isn't it already night? Just waiting for the night roles I think.


On May 22 2009 08:02 l10f wrote:
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On May 22 2009 04:11 crate wrote:
Well good afternoon folks, I'm ready to post some stuff.

I'll start with a big group of MSN logs. Koopie is green, and this is why I think so.

First one quick comment though:

chaoser wrote:
The best people in roles of leadership are either a DT or a vet with a clean hit record (never hit yet).

Disagree strongly on the DT. DTs want to stay behind the scenes and find a mouth. Best leaders are the Vet or a regular green towny, since they have no special powers that make the mafia want to kill them anyway.

Here's the MSN logs:

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I think this was on the second 24 hours of day 1
[22:54] Koops: *Poke*
[22:54] *** Auto-response sent to Koops: I am currently away from the computer.
[22:54] crate: hi
[22:55] Koops: Hey. =P
[22:55] Koops: I think I suck at the Mafia games, but I'm trying. >_>;
[22:55] crate: dont worry, i've pinned a number of players who are clearly bad
[22:55] crate: lol
[22:55] Koops: Lmao
[22:56] crate: i'm going back through the topic right now
[22:56] crate: havent gotten to your new posts yet
[22:56] Koops: ._.
[22:57] Koops: And if you want to play Brawl, I think Alex and my friend Adam want to play, too.
[22:58] crate: give me a little bit to finish up the mafia thread
[22:58] crate: then ok
[22:58] Koops: Mmk
[23:00] crate: fyi, my pick for surest town-aligned player right now is iLoveKTF
[23:00] Koops: Hey, me too.
[23:00] Koops: I'm pretty sure everyone else, too.
[23:01] Koops: My latest post is stupid and I regret, but whatever.
[23:01] crate: mm, doesnt do much but add confusion imo
[23:01] crate: not good
[23:01] Koops: Mmhm.
[23:02] Koops: Then again I haven't posted too much, so it's not like it would be hard to redeem myself.
[23:02] Koops: If I would even need to.
[23:02] crate: that post is the sort of post i've been noticing to pin players as bad
[23:02] crate: ;p
[23:02] Koops: Yes. -_-;
[23:03] crate: we'll have more to go on next day
[23:03] crate: i'm anticipating a quiet night
[23:03] Koops: Day 2 will be more fun.
[23:03] Koops: Like I said I hate Day 1.
[23:03] crate: day 2 is when we really get to see how players lean

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This was yesterday:

I snipped a bit of this because we talk about Brawl a lot since we were playing during part of this.

[16:44] Koops: At least the town wants to protect you.
[16:45] crate: so i can bounce ideas off of you
[16:45] Koops: Yeah, you could.
[16:45] crate: well
[16:45] crate: here's my guess
[16:45] crate: one of the first three candidates for the election is mafia or none of them are
[16:46] crate: jeejee's timing seems too late to me for the mafia
[16:46] Koops: I think Shikyo is mafia.
[16:46] crate: ilovektf is clearly not mafia since he got ZERO support
[16:46] Koops: Um, yeah.
[16:46] crate: and shikyo has been posting lots and lots of fluff
[16:46] crate: so yeah
[16:46] Koops: Yep.
[16:46] crate: i have him down as the most likely red too
[16:46] Koops: And he was bandwagoned from the start..
[16:46] Koops: And then people changed.
[16:46] Koops: Just seems like he's mafia.
[16:47] crate: he's said extremely little considering the number of words he's posted
[16:47] Koops: I know!
[16:49] Koops: Well, fun. I figured you out.
[16:49] crate: right conclusion, wrong reason
[16:50] crate: lmao
[16:50] Koops: Rofl.
[16:55] Koops: I don't want Jimtudor protected. :|
[16:55] crate: if i were mafia there is no way i'd hit him right now
[16:55] Koops: I know...
[16:55] Koops: It's stupid.
[16:56] crate: i think most of the mafia is hiding in the >half of the players who havent said anything constructive
[16:56] Koops: Well, definitely.
[16:56] crate: its too easy
[16:56] Koops: It's the easiest.
[16:57] Koops: It blends them into a really big crowd.
[16:57] Koops: That's the best possible situation.
[16:57] crate: mhm
[16:57] Koops: Now, if everyone were active... It would be stupid.
[16:57] Koops: But that's not the case.
[16:58] Koops: Yeah, he would...
[16:59] Koops: Also if I was mafia, I'm sure my clues would be pretty simple to read. ;P
[17:00] crate: i do not envy pyr, trying to make up clues for so many players who probably have no profile and so few posts
[17:00] Koops: Yeah.
[17:00] Koops: I edited my profile because of that.
[17:00] crate: heh
[17:00] Koops: I even put a picture in there. ;-;
[17:00] crate: i see
[17:00] Koops: Not of me, but yes. Lol.
[17:00] crate: btw i think it's interesting how much more town-favored pyr's setup is than qatols
[17:00] crate: same number of players but we have an extra vigi, medic
[17:00] Koops: Yeah.
[17:01] crate: same number of mafia
[17:01] Koops: Honestly I want to see the town win, anyways.
[17:01] crate: and sheriff is way more powerful than pardoner
[17:01] Koops: Even though being on the mafia would be more exciting.
[17:01] crate: my favorite role is townie
[17:01] crate: actually
[17:01] crate: favorite role would be veteran
[17:01] crate: cause its SUPER townie
[17:01] Koops: Haha.
[17:02] Koops: Okay, again. If I was mafia I would not point out to you that I knew. :<
[17:02] crate: i know
[17:04] crate: i wonder how much the town really trusts shikyo
[17:05] Koops: I know I don't.
[17:05] crate: actually
[17:05] crate: i guess my big thought is that being able to just look past who is posting is the best
[17:06] crate: link the content to the player, not the player to the content, if you get what i mean
[17:06] Koops: Yeah, I get it.
[17:07] crate: and i do doubt i'm going to die tonight; i'm too obvious a target i think, and unless you're playing me really well, the mafia knows i havent really shown anything dangerous yet
[17:07] Koops: Great I mispelled send in my post.
[17:07] Koops: To end.
[17:07] Koops: -_-;
[17:07] crate: lol
[17:07] Koops: crate I don't think anyone really suspects you.
[17:07] Koops: But I'm sure people think you're with the town.
[17:07] Koops: Just my thoughts.
[17:08] crate: i have posted really nothing but facts, and a good plan is a good plan either way
[17:08] Koops: Because mafia members should seem like part of the town, too.
[17:08] crate: its easy to seem like part of our town
[17:08] crate: dont say anything
[17:08] crate: :p
[17:08] Koops: =P
[17:10] crate: while i'd be surprised if i die, i would be SHOCKED if you die
[17:10] Koops: Yes.
[17:10] crate: i really hope people dont roleclaim to shikyo
[17:10] crate: or to jeejee for that matter
[17:10] Koops: I KNOW.
[17:11] Koops: Hopefully they look at them just the same as others.
[17:11] Koops: To me they're even more suspcious.
[17:11] crate: yeah
[17:11] Koops: I can't type
[17:11] Koops: -_-;
[17:11] crate: anyone running is suspicious
[17:11] Koops: Yeah.
[17:11] Koops: That's what I had said before.
[17:11] Koops: To silly Jimtudor.
[17:11] Koops: ;_;
[17:11] crate: i hope his clue analysis is as good as he claims
[17:11] Koops: Who's the one that said they ran before they looked?
[17:11] crate: ilovektf
[17:12] crate: all the more reason to think he's not mafia, after the overwhelming show of support he got, lol
[17:12] Koops: Yeah.
[17:12] crate: he does have some name value; tbh his platform is comparable to jeejee but jeejee had better timing
[17:13] Koops: I'd rather have ilovektf but I'd rather have JeeJee over Shikyo. So that's why I voted for him.
[17:13] Koops: Wow...
[17:13] Koops: I really can't type.
[17:13] crate: foolishness must be town, since a mafia playing like that makes no sense
[17:14] crate: the town as a whole likes shikyo
[17:14] crate: so saying he's shifty at this point only makes you suspicious
[17:14] Koops: :S
[17:14] crate: hence no mafia would do it regardless of shikyo's alignment
[17:14] crate: saying it publicly anyway
[17:15] Koops: I'm just waiting for the nigt actions to be sent so we can move on.
[17:15] Koops: night*
[17:15] crate: heh yeah
[17:15] crate: tomorrow it should get interesting
[17:15] Koops: Yeah.
[17:15] Koops: I really want to see who gets killed. >_>;
[17:18] Koops: Aw... why do we have a big chunk of inactives? ._.
[17:19] crate: new players who got townie and get bored, then mafia hide amongst them
[17:19] Koops: I'd laugh if they were all mafia.
[17:19] crate: i guess
[17:19] Koops: Lmao.
[17:19] crate: idk, i love being townie, like jeejee said
[17:28] crate: oh btw now i understand that ":S" earlier; i hadnt read your post when you said it
[17:28] Koops: Yes...
[17:28] Koops: -_-;
[17:28] Koops: It's okay, though.
[17:29] Koops: Things can work in a lot of different ways if people at least begin to CONSIDER Shikyo.
[17:29] crate: i think your biggest problem is the timing of that post
[17:29] crate: you want to wait till day to say those things
[17:29] Koops: That's true.
[17:29] Koops: But if I was hit
[17:29] crate: unless you have some reason to think you're going to die
[17:30] Koops: It's kind of safe to say who could be mafia.
[17:30] Koops: >_>
[17:30] Koops: Also, it could just be me looking like I'm asking an honest question.
[17:30] Koops: Who knows.
[17:30] crate: you look more like a stupid townie than anything else so far to me
[17:30] crate: >_>
[17:30] Koops: Ahahaha.
[17:31] crate: but not a really stupid townie
[17:31] crate: i have a couple of those marked down
[17:31] crate: they're really absurdly bad or dumb or something
[17:31] Koops: I really just want to know why he put Jimtudor on the list, that's all.
[17:31] Koops: There are more important people to the town.
[17:32] crate: defend it like that if anyone questions your wording
[17:32] Koops: He doesn't really post, and if he does...
[17:32] Koops: It sucks.
[17:33] crate: i hope you are town aligned and can pick up on other roles like you sniped mine
[18:16] Koops: I got Shikyo to add iloveKTF.
[18:16] Koops: I am great.
[18:17] Koops: Even though it doesn't mean that much.
[18:17] Koops: Lmao.
[18:17] crate: heh
[18:17] Koops: Oh well, I just wanted to redeem my stupid.
[18:17] Koops: .-.
[18:17] crate: it's ok; you're not the only one who's made dumb posts
[18:18] Koops: Yeah, I know.


Take that as you will. She's playing badly for sure, but I think she's just being stupid and I hope she'll stop being stupid soon.

(One note of emphasis: don't look at who is saying what when you're reading posts. Look at what's being said, see if it makes sense/contributes anything, THEN look at who wrote it. I said this above but I know half of you aren't going to read the whole convo.)

Obviously this dovetails nicely into my suspicions. I'm going to call Shikyo out for his huge volume of words with little to nothing said in them. If you want to convince me you're not a mafia trying to play the town by hiding behind lots of fluff, start making real contributions instead of repeating things that were already said and agreeing with everyone. The mayor position doesn't strike me as a real benefit to the town anyway other than keeping the mayor behind BG protection, and let me tell you I am not convinced Shikyo is worth that BG protection. Regardless of your alignment I think your fluff isn't helping the town any.

(After I wrote this I saw your most recent post. Definitely a step up if your targets happen to be good).

Right now my dumb players list includes Raxor, Pawsome, The_Master, Koopie (well...), and l10f.

Inactives: omG.[RaYnE], clazziquai, motbob, adriix33 (didn't vote, may get modkilled after day 2), SugiuraMidori (claimed quite some time ago he'd be inactive--driving from Tuscon, but that's too long ago, also in danger of modkill), Knutti, and epicdoom

My guess is probably half the mafia is among those players. Some of the stupid players are probably just being stupid because they're not reading the whole thread or have no idea what to do or just don't actually think and re-read their posts before they click the button, but even in a newbie game that will only get you so far imo.

fuck i'm tired of writing for a bit I'll follow this up in a bit but I need a break from writing for now

start making posts with content people there are at least two couple obvious things that people should do to contribute. I'm not going to tell you what they are though since I want to know who is actually thinking in this game and who isn't, and I'm going to do one of them myself soon if no one else does


I'm not suspecting you or anything, but why are you so quick to defend Koopie? If she is playing "stupidly" like you say, it wouldn't hurt the town even if she died. (I'm totally against your opinion that she's playing "stupidly")

And, I don't think you are red, but I don't think you have the right to call people "stupid." I'm sure everyone here has the intelligence to play this game well, they are just lacking the experience. Therefore you shouldn't call them "stupid players."

Well, now that I got that out of the way, I also agree on Jayme AND the double lynch. At this rate, we might not last too long and we need to use the double lynches. Also, the vigis can start acting now and help us as well, as well as DT's.

Also about only 2 people dying, my bet is on that they hit a Veteran. Or a medic-protected person. However, since neither the veteran or the medic is role-claiming, it was probably an inactive person that the mafia targeted. Only two people dying is a definitely good results for us, but we better start to get those mafias very soon.


On May 22 2009 08:04 l10f wrote:
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On May 22 2009 07:30 Shikyo wrote:
Actually, most of the "clues" for Jayme seem to be quite weak. Especially the so much talked about "crepiscular" one; Why would the clue about a killer be in that sentence? It makes no sense. Furthermore, the clues are mostly picked from all over the posts. That doesn't make much sense either. People have been linking all kinds of movement, creeping and dark things to that cat, although they could mean so many different things, and it makes no sense to have so many clues pointing at one player. And the python being an ambushing animal seems quite far-fetched.

I'm not saying that Jayme is innocent. I'm just saying that maybe you shouldn't bandwagon for him so pointlessly, and maybe think about it for a while. The clues aren't as strong as they seem.

That being said, his behavior admittably has been relatively suspicious. Although I still have a bad feeling about all this bandwagoning.


Yes, I have a bad feeling about the bandwagoning too.

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On May 22 2009 08:01 Koopie wrote:
On May 22 2009 07:37 Foolishness wrote:
Analyzing me is quite pointless, we should be focused on killing Shikyo. It's still apparent that he is mafia. There's still suspicious activity going on with him and we should be very careful of his actions. I'm all up for killing Jayme and possibly double lynch, but I still think Shikyo's the one we should be focused on.


I definitely agree with this. Actually, I have been. Which everyone should already know.


Can you tell me why you think Shikyo is a mafia?


On May 22 2009 08:54 l10f wrote:
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Ok. With that vote, I would like to present another suspect: epicdoom. Reason is obvious, but if you want it, highly suspicious voting and he hasn't posted at all.


Possibly, or maybe he just voted for the heck of it, because no one's gonna follow him and lynch teks UNLESS he is a mafia and the other mafia vote for teks too, but that would be dumb, like saying "WE'RE MAFIA!"

so I don't know I'm confused


On May 22 2009 08:56 l10f wrote:
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On May 22 2009 08:51 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
Jimtudor tried to close the door in the man's face, but the man swiftly jammed a metal bar in the doorway and used it to pry the door open, then bash Jimtudor in the head till he died.

Many people have already mentioned that the other mafiaso seems sneaky so i wont go there. However, the one that killed Jim seems to be extremely brutal judging from his repeated blows to the head. This could be a reference to Chaoser (from the chaos in his name), Adriix33 (his quote says lifes a bitch. then you die.), or JeeJee (who's quote mentions fear several times).


If I ever wanted to kill someone in my life (which I don't) I think I would hit them in the head, several times. It may be a clue, but in my opinion it's pretty vague.

However, if it is one of those three, I believe it maybe Adriix33, because I'm 99% sure JeeJee is clean.


On May 22 2009 09:02 l10f wrote:
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On May 22 2009 09:00 Shikyo wrote:
On May 22 2009 08:54 l10f wrote:
On May 22 2009 08:45 Shikyo wrote:
Ok. With that vote, I would like to present another suspect: epicdoom. Reason is obvious, but if you want it, highly suspicious voting and he hasn't posted at all.


Possibly, or maybe he just voted for the heck of it, because no one's gonna follow him and lynch teks UNLESS he is a mafia and the other mafia vote for teks too, but that would be dumb, like saying "WE'RE MAFIA!"

so I don't know I'm confused

Most likely he's just a stupid mafia. There's no way a townie would act like that. And if one did, I'd want him dead regardless.


So are you suggesting that you want him dead instead of Jayme?



To be honest, all I see here is a foolish townie.

However, this post has taken me the better part of the OSL. After OSL finishes, I'll grab a bite to eat and keep chipping away at different people.
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On May 22 2009 21:50 Shikyo wrote:
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On May 22 2009 20:08 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
His profile quote is "Britney 2010. I believe. <3" - Not much help there.


Actually...

Apparently Britney Spears has this perfume called Believe.

http://www.britneyspearsbelieve.com/

As you can see as you enter the site, there are many different, flashy colors. It almost hurts your eyes. That site is also definitely trying to get something sold, so the salesman would make sense.

Now, what might be the long metal bar the salesman is hitting his victim with? Oh, that's right. Britney Spears.


I think the spear is a bit of a stretch but... the rest is a really good analysis. I'll have more to come...
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 22 2009 13:04 GMT
#469
For the record, while I was doing some other research:

Softer got killed by mafia.

The only major contribution softer made was the "eerily crepuscular" connection to Jayme's cat picture.

Coincidence? Maybe, but it might hold some weight.
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 23 2009 18:10 GMT
#565
I haven't disappeared intentionally. Way less time here at the hotel for internet than I thought. I'll post when I can.
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 24 2009 07:21 GMT
#645
Ok so... I have a SHITTON to catch up on (about 7-8 pages to be exact).

I am surprised that Koopie flipped green though. The others, I'm not really surprised by.

To read!
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 24 2009 08:48 GMT
#647
Nvm tonight, I'll post later.. mad tired.
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 24 2009 19:06 GMT
#665
Well, good to see we got a seemingly confirmed townie. I wish we had seen a hit from Esben as well, but it happens. Now we need to focus on getting two good lynches tonight. We also got some good clues I think from the mafia, at lesat adding to what we had.

First, we know there is one mafia who uses a knife, responsible for the deaths of Qatol and So no fek.
+ Show Spoiler [Death Descriptions] +

Qatol
Meanwhile, downstairs, Qatol was using the Triumvirate Building's spacious archery range for target practice. As he looked down to reload, another figure crossed the room from the other side. The mafioso crept behind Qatol and took out his knife. Qatol never shot another arrow.


So no fek
Deep underneath Fluidville, So no fek was searching the depths of the town's sewer system for traces of mafia activity. Holding a blazing torch aloft to find his way forward, he slowed as he heard a sound like the shuffling of pages. He peered around the corner and saw an empty desk, then looked down to see the blade that had pierced his rib cage from behind. So no fek tried to turn to at least get a glimpse of his killer, but he couldn't muster the energy as the blade slipped back out of his chest.



1. This killer uses a knife/blade
2. This killer is quiet and/or sneaky
3. This killer did NOT kill on night two or hit the medic protected player or the veteran

In Koopie's death, we had a guy impersonating someone else, and it was possibly someone that she knew. We only have that from this, except there is a small link that is possible, but it doesn't fit in with the idea that she knew this person, however I'll explain it. Koopie's killer impersonated a deliveryman to gain her trust and get into the position to kill her. Jimtudor's killer impersonated a salesman to get his door open so he could get into his home to kill him. It's a bit of a stretch, but it's possible.

+ Show Spoiler [Death Descriptions] +

Koopie
Koopie had spent years recreating her house into a scale model of Princess Peach's from Super Mario 64. She heard a knock at her giant, red front door.

"Hi, I'm here to install the cannon out front by the moat. Can you sign here please?"

The finishing touch had finally arrived, and Koopie went upstairs to watch the installation from behind the giant stained glass window that bore her image, as well as her favorite video game character's. The cannon was plopped on its stone foundation, and it's barrel moved to point squarely at the face of the "princess". "He couldn't possibly...." she thought, seconds before an artillery shell with a shark-like face blew Koopie and her home to smithereens.


jimtudor
Jimtudor had no hard feelings about the election. With love for his town in his heart, he prepared to defend the people chosen to lead in this time of crisis. His door bell rang. "Who could it be at this hour?," he thought. A salesman in a flashy tie greeted Jimtudor from his welcome mat and began his pitch. Jimtudor tried to close the door in the man's face, but the man swiftly jammed a metal bar in the doorway and used it to pry the door open, then bash Jimtudor in the head till he died.



1. This killer impersonated someone to gain trust/access.
2. This killer may have been known by one victim.

In EsbenPM's killing, it wasn't described very well except for the fact that his killer was shadowy and he killed Esben in one hit. Here's where I get a bit confused, as this one draws more parallels with jimtudor's killer, who also delivered blows to the head.

+ Show Spoiler [Death Descriptions] +

EsbenPM
EsbenPM had spent the first two days of the mafia invasion building a stockpile of weapons he would never use. Late during the second night, he was fiddling with the trigger locks on his various shotguns while chomping on salted peas. After dinner, he went out to his garage to check on the gun racks he had just painted. Once in his garage, he reached for the switch on the wall, but lights wouldn't turn on. A sudden rush of fear came over him, and he wished he had brought one of his guns with him, even a sidearm. He thought about trying to sneak back into the house, but, instead, he felt his way to a crowbar leaned against the wall. As his eyes adjusted to the darkness, he could see the outline of man. EsbenPM charged and swung with the crowbar, but his adversary shoved it from his hands, then swung a board crushingly into the side of EsbenPM's head, killing him instantly.


jimtudor
Jimtudor had no hard feelings about the election. With love for his town in his heart, he prepared to defend the people chosen to lead in this time of crisis. His door bell rang. "Who could it be at this hour?," he thought. A salesman in a flashy tie greeted Jimtudor from his welcome mat and began his pitch. Jimtudor tried to close the door in the man's face, but the man swiftly jammed a metal bar in the doorway and used it to pry the door open, then bash Jimtudor in the head till he died.



1. This killer prefers blows to the head and blunt objects
2. This killer catches seemingly unsuspecting targets well off-guard (Jim thought it was odd for a knock that early, Esben didn't expect the lights to not work)

We also have softer, Pyrryhuloxia and LTT's deaths, but I don't see any parallels between them and the three we got today. I'm not going to make any accusations right now, I'd like to see some things come out in the open first. I'll be back in around 12 hours most likely.
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 25 2009 16:34 GMT
#735
I'm going to wait until a few more factors to change my vote, but it is looking like a Shikyo lynch is in order. I also think we'll lose clazzi to mk tonight, but not sure.

Teks, do NOT PM that list to anyone unless you are 100% sure of their role.
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 25 2009 16:40 GMT
#738
EBWOP:
clazziquai won't get an mk. Just voted, so there went that plan. Still plan on waiting.

clazziquai: Care to defend any of the accusations made against yourself?
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 25 2009 16:54 GMT
#744
On May 26 2009 01:52 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2009 01:45 crate wrote:
Go for it. You think I made mistakes?

I know I made mistakes.

I've nothing to hide right now. I'll call your bluff.

Shikyo wrote:
crate, the game isn't about lynching someone who "made mistakes" that you just got out of your ass, it's about lynching the mafia.

Yes and no. Yes in each individual game, but not entirely in the metagame sense. If you don't lynch stupid players then smart mafia will just act stupid and play the stupid card when called on it and they'll live. The game will eventually degrade into random finger-pointing with only clue analysis and DT and mafia-acting-like-DT roleclaims and such.

If you 14cc every game someone's going to BBS you until you stop doing it every game. It beats "standard play" but it's not the standard ... think about that for a bit. Same deal here.

No no no. You're getting it all wrong. Everyone is an individual. Something, someone acts stupid when they're townie, and sometimes he acts stupid when he's mafia. However, I still am apparently doing the most for the town, while the rest of the town is doing its best trying to get me killed.

Come on now, 8 kills and zero clues pointing against me?


Didn't you say your nickname translates to death? So technically, 8 kills all point to you. You have no profile, we only get name clues for you.
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 25 2009 16:59 GMT
#746
I totally forgot the :p after that haha. Just pointing out a technicality.
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 26 2009 07:18 GMT
#859
Wow... gg guys, we're fucked.

-_-
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