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On May 18 2009 15:41 Jimtudor wrote:
Okay, this is preliminary clue searching. The first thing I did was read into Erlend Loe. So he is an author from Norway that writes novels and childrens book that have a style that is characterized as naive.
There are three players from Norway in this game. Softer, Teks, and knutti.
IF there is a mafia among the three, I feel it is teks>knutti>softer. Teks as he got a cartoon picture that would fit in a children's book, and then knutti who pyrr has absolutely nothing else to go on other than being from norway and being knutti?
Too early to tell, but that's my 5 cent for now.
What is also interesting to note is that "L" is one of Loe's most successfull books, so my guess is that L is the connection to Erlend Loe, perhaps resulting in a fake clue. Actually, I'm a big Loe-fan, and was very surprised to see him being mentioned. I've read almost all of his books (apart from the children books), and even wrote a paper on him in school. There is no way for Pyrr to know this about me though, so I wouldn't jump to conclusions just yet. Also, the pictures in his children books are in this style: http://mediaserver-2.vuodatus.net/g/12839/643950.jpg - not really fitting to any of our profiles.
I'm not going to tell anyone to disregard this clue, it MAY definately point to a person from Norway, but I'm rather leaning towards L being the connector here (even though he's not playing in this one).
Could someone more experienced than me tell me if there's possible that Pyrr deliberately placed clues here that does not lead to anyone of interest? If it's not possible, I'll shut my cakehole and go with you on this one, Jimtudor :p
About the election, I'm glad to see we already have a couple of candidates. It'll probably be hard for people to trust anyone in this game as it's mostly concisting of new players, so I think it's going to take quite the campaign to gain influence in this game (although bandwagoning could also come very quickly I guess).
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On May 18 2009 16:25 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 15:46 So no fek wrote:
Only problem I have with the Day 1 lynch is that there shouldn't be any activity in this game due to the new inactivity rules. Granted there will probably always be people who will sign up then not participate, but it's still a wasted lynch as they'll die soon anyway. But I do see why you'd do that, there not being enough clues to go off the first day (any solid ones anyway), throwing away a lynch on someone who's going to die anyway is probably better than lynching a townie. On the contrary, lynching someone because they are inactive is quite the bad idea. We should be lynching people because they are acting suspicious or because we have clues about them. Killing someone we have no information about would be the foolish thing to do, we may be killing a blue role without knowing it.
I know, and agree entirely. I was just supporting it, to an extent, because iLoveKTF is suggesting lynching an inactive who will be mod killed in a day anyway (effectively throwing the mayor lynch away, in the hopes of not lynching a townie/someone contributing). Lynching someone suspicious should always be done over lynching someone inactive, however, we're at a point where we don't have much to go on at all.
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On May 18 2009 17:02 teks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 15:41 Jimtudor wrote:
Okay, this is preliminary clue searching. The first thing I did was read into Erlend Loe. So he is an author from Norway that writes novels and childrens book that have a style that is characterized as naive.
There are three players from Norway in this game. Softer, Teks, and knutti.
IF there is a mafia among the three, I feel it is teks>knutti>softer. Teks as he got a cartoon picture that would fit in a children's book, and then knutti who pyrr has absolutely nothing else to go on other than being from norway and being knutti?
Too early to tell, but that's my 5 cent for now.
What is also interesting to note is that "L" is one of Loe's most successfull books, so my guess is that L is the connection to Erlend Loe, perhaps resulting in a fake clue. Actually, I'm a big Loe-fan, and was very surprised to see him being mentioned. I've read almost all of his books (apart from the children books), and even wrote a paper on him in school. There is no way for Pyrr to know this about me though, so I wouldn't jump to conclusions just yet. Also, the pictures in his children books are in this style: http://mediaserver-2.vuodatus.net/g/12839/643950.jpg - not really fitting to any of our profiles. I'm not going to tell anyone to disregard this clue, it MAY definately point to a person from Norway, but I'm rather leaning towards L being the connector here (even though he's not playing in this one). Could someone more experienced than me tell me if there's possible that Pyrr deliberately placed clues here that does not lead to anyone of interest? If it's not possible, I'll shut my cakehole and go with you on this one, Jimtudor :p About the election, I'm glad to see we already have a couple of candidates. It'll probably be hard for people to trust anyone in this game as it's mostly concisting of new players, so I think it's going to take quite the campaign to gain influence in this game (although bandwagoning could also come very quickly I guess).
Red Herrings have been played in previous games, but I believe this is Pyrry's first time running a game, so if he'll do it is yet to be seen.
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Edit to previous post
It should read
Equality: This will be a town that will not tolerate racism, every person of every colour should feel they have the ability to get ahead as long as they work hard....
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Did not mean to be racist, sorry.
Foolishness:
That is true. There shouldn't be an iron rule that only inactives are going to be lynched or else all the mafia is just going to post something useless or echo off of each other and get out of that list. Lynching suspicious ones could theoretically be better, but behavioural analysis can also be inaccurate on the first day, and clues could be red herrings...
So the best thing if you are townie is to post something that is thought out and useful, but post!
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I am up for lynching inactive people on the first day. First of all, they are going to get killed anyway in a couple days, and if there is not enough evidence to pinpoint anyone it's better than just choosing a random active person (who is more than likely a townie).
Yes, it is possible that we might accidentally kill a blue role, but we might get a maffie as well. Anyway, there isn't much difference a blue role who doesn't do anything and dead blue role.
If someone is acting suspicious, I'm all for it - but I doubt that will happen on the first day.
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I'm glad that you all feel the same way I do about it. In response to Jimtudor, it is much better to kill someone based of behavioral analysis than an inactive, even though it is the first day and we don't have much to go on.
The_Master: if inactives are going to get killed anyways, why bother killing them now? Even on the first day there will still be suspicious people, you just have to read between the lines to weed them out.
I also would like to see more people run for office! The more competition the better!
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"In the parking lot, LTT, the love child of the late L and Samsung Khan's captain, read an Erlend Loe novel in his Audi sports car. "
lol L by Erlend Loe (as stated above) and Audi TT = LTT. nice 1 pyyr.
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On May 18 2009 17:25 iLoveKTF wrote:
"In the parking lot, LTT, the love child of the late L and Samsung Khan's captain, read an Erlend Loe novel in his Audi sports car. "
lol L by Erlend Loe (as stated above) and Audi TT = LTT. nice 1 pyyr.
And KHAN's captain is also TT. Quite a funny sentence :p
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Well, I noticed pyrr as a player always analyzed day 1 clues. I especially remember the shockwave --> Pika Chu clue. (lol pyrr). And last game he was very active analyzing day 1 clues even when he said he had a paper to write, but that was prolly just because he was a DT. I wouldnt be surprised if there are a couple of solid clues right now. Ill keep looking anyway..
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And we are under way
As i have just gotten out of bed the only thing i have cluewise is this:
LTT's head slumped, sounding a horn that would not be heard in time
-iLoveKTF has a picture of what appears to be soundwaves in his profile which could lead to this if its a clue.
And it would be nice if there were more candidates considering we only have two at the moment.
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On May 18 2009 17:03 So no fek wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 16:25 Foolishness wrote:On May 18 2009 15:46 So no fek wrote:
Only problem I have with the Day 1 lynch is that there shouldn't be any activity in this game due to the new inactivity rules. Granted there will probably always be people who will sign up then not participate, but it's still a wasted lynch as they'll die soon anyway. But I do see why you'd do that, there not being enough clues to go off the first day (any solid ones anyway), throwing away a lynch on someone who's going to die anyway is probably better than lynching a townie. On the contrary, lynching someone because they are inactive is quite the bad idea. We should be lynching people because they are acting suspicious or because we have clues about them. Killing someone we have no information about would be the foolish thing to do, we may be killing a blue role without knowing it. I know, and agree entirely. I was just supporting it, to an extent, because iLoveKTF is suggesting lynching an inactive who will be mod killed in a day anyway (effectively throwing the mayor lynch away, in the hopes of not lynching a townie/someone contributing). Lynching someone suspicious should always be done over lynching someone inactive, however, we're at a point where we don't have much to go on at all.
The whole mod killing thing adds a different dynamic to this game really.
Before it was okay to just lynch some inactive fool in lue of no hints because it was safe and even if you hit a blue... an inactive blue is pretty wasteful. Good for drawing fire and nothing else.
The day 1 clues are completely ambiguous at best, with only the car horn seeming oddly placed for me. Well that and decaffeinated coffee.. WHO DRINKS THAT!? Day 2 would help immensely with cross checking potential, have to see when the sleepy people wake up to see how they react. Not many people around yet.
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On May 18 2009 17:50 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 17:03 So no fek wrote:On May 18 2009 16:25 Foolishness wrote:On May 18 2009 15:46 So no fek wrote:
Only problem I have with the Day 1 lynch is that there shouldn't be any activity in this game due to the new inactivity rules. Granted there will probably always be people who will sign up then not participate, but it's still a wasted lynch as they'll die soon anyway. But I do see why you'd do that, there not being enough clues to go off the first day (any solid ones anyway), throwing away a lynch on someone who's going to die anyway is probably better than lynching a townie. On the contrary, lynching someone because they are inactive is quite the bad idea. We should be lynching people because they are acting suspicious or because we have clues about them. Killing someone we have no information about would be the foolish thing to do, we may be killing a blue role without knowing it. I know, and agree entirely. I was just supporting it, to an extent, because iLoveKTF is suggesting lynching an inactive who will be mod killed in a day anyway (effectively throwing the mayor lynch away, in the hopes of not lynching a townie/someone contributing). Lynching someone suspicious should always be done over lynching someone inactive, however, we're at a point where we don't have much to go on at all. The whole mod killing thing adds a different dynamic to this game really. Before it was okay to just lynch some inactive fool in lue of no hints because it was safe and even if you hit a blue... an inactive blue is pretty wasteful. Good for drawing fire and nothing else. The day 1 clues are completely ambiguous at best, with only the car horn seeming oddly placed for me. Well that and decaffeinated coffee.. WHO DRINKS THAT!? Day 2 would help immensely with cross checking potential, have to see when the sleepy people wake up to see how they react. Not many people around yet.
Stirring his coffee with a drumstick is a bit odd, however, from Qatol's game Chuiu and Pyrrhuloxia were sitting on the deck of the cruise ship playing a leisurely game of cards and sipping decaf coffee. So, it's very possible he just has a thing for decaf coffee, pointless as it may be. 
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Read all the posts and thought over what people mentioned was suspicious. The only thing that I really think might be on the right track is what JimTudor said about Norwegian players. Theres not much to go by on day 1 and it seems pyrr could use something like this without giving away too much.
I was thinking about nominating Jim as our sheriff/mayor, but the more I think about it, the more I think he may just be stretching too far out on a limb with the clue, in order to make people think what i already said in the above paragraph. This short display of brillance would probly gain him sheriff/mayor and if he mafia put the mafia in a strong position.
I'd vote for Ilovektf; i'm more confident he's a genuine towny, but I don't like his lynch inactive on day 1 idea. For now, I have decided to not cast a vote for an official yet, but I may change and vote after thinking about it later.
Anyways its 5:41am and I need to sleep I'll be on tomorrow and hopefully there will be more posts to read1
Edit: just fixed a small grammar error, did not edit content
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On May 18 2009 18:41 Pawsom wrote:
Read all the posts and thought over what people mentioned was suspicious. The only thing that I really think might be on the right track is what JimTudor said about Norwegian players. Theres not much to go by on day 1 and it seems pyrr could use something like this without giving away too much.
I was thinking about nominating Jim as our sheriff/mayor, but the more I think about it, the more I think he may just be stretching too far out on a limb with the clue, in order to make people think what i already said in the above paragraph. This short display of brillance would probly gain him sheriff/mayor and if he mafia put the mafia in a strong position.
I'd vote for Ilovektf; i'm more confident he's a genuine towny, but I don't like his lynch inactive on day 1 idea. For now, I have decided to not cast a vote for an official yet, but I may change and vote after thinking about it later.
Anyways its 5:41am and I need to sleep I'll be on tomorrow and hopefully there will be more posts to read1
Edit: just fixed a small grammar error, did not edit content
Editing your posts. DO NOT EDIT YOUR POSTS FOR ANY REASON. Mods can see and will reveal your edits, it makes you look suspicious, and is not allowed.
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Good morning, everyone. I'll be running for office.
First of all, if I'll be selected as Mayor, I'm planning on lynching someone who's extremely suspicious, if there is one. Because it is highly unlikely for there to be a really suspicious red this early in the game(even if this is the newbies' game), there are other options. Even if day 1 clues can't really be put too much emphasis on, if they point at a relatively suspicious person, that person would be high on my lynching list. That's basically how I'm planning on using the day 1's clues; As a support for suspicious people, and also as a support for future clues. In the case there is absolutely no one suspicious(highly unlikely), I will think about it according to the situation, most likely someone relatively inactive.
I don't believe in relying primarily on the day 1 clues to lynch someone, since they're normally way too vague to be able to fully determine a mafia just by analysing them. We could all see what happened with Pyrr's analysis in Chuiu's last Mafia.
In the case that I'll be elected as the town's Sheriff, I'll only be able to incarcenate 2 people, which is quite low. I'm planning on using my incarceration ability to incarcerate either
1. A good player I believe to be a townie that I believe for whatever reason won't receive the medic protection he would require in order to survive the night(This is the most likely use) or
2. In the case that the town has figured out at least 2 surefire Mafia, but we only have a single lynch available. Now, if the incarceration would reduce Mafia's firepower, I think it might be a good idea to incarcerate the other Mafia and lynching the other, and then lynching the incarcerated Mafia the next day. However, this will be rarer, and I will more likely be using the incarceration to just protect the good players who require it.
My voting policy is to mostly vote for the people the town wants dead, assuming it makes sense. I will not fall for stupid bandwagons, and will try to make the town come to it's senses. I might abstain from voting as well, if there is no one I see as highly suspicious or if I believe my vote won't be needed, however, that should be rare. I will always follow logic, and will not make too hasty decisions. I will generally vote for a suspicious player who can be connected to clues.
However, I'll be wary of Mafia attempting to make the clues seem to point at someone they obviously are not. I will also be suspicious of everyone except confirmed townies, especially bandwagon starters and people acting inconsistantly. If there are no good targets for lynch, I might have to abstain, or possibly vote for an inactive who is acting fishy.
My information policy is to tell mostly everything to everyone, unless it is information that would benefit Mafia. I will generally not send many PM's and I won't reveal my role to anyone. I also suggest everyone to not reveal their role to me or anyone else, regardless of if I am going to be elected or not. However, sometimes PMing might be necessary in order to keep information from Mafia, but I'm still planning on doing it the absolute, bare minimum.
My experience with Mafia is limited to watching the past 2 games and I'm also following Mafia VIII closely. I haven't personally player any Mafia games, except a few very small ones with my school class a while back.
I would say that my strong point would be behavioral analysis and logic, and also finding logic in others and where it should be when it's not. For example, I was able to figure out that Qatol was Mafia in the last game quite early on(Then again, who couldn't?). I'm not all that confident about my skill at analysing clues, though. Even though in the last game I was able to figure something out and some things made sense, in Chuiu's game before that, I didn't get almost any of the clues even after they were revealed. That's why, even though I'm going to do my best in clue analysing, I'm planning on mostly leaving it for others to handle.
I also know how people acted in the past few Mafia games somewhat, so that might be able to help me figure out who is being inconsistant with their behavior. I am going to make my decisions logically and I am going to think and consider every situation calmly. However, I am able to use slightly stronger language in order to get my point accross when it's needed.
I started running for office partly because that was my plan even before the game started, and partly because I wasn't happy at all with the other people's platform's.
Jimtudor's platform is essentially "I'm good at everything, although you know nothing of me, and I won't tell you what I'm going to do, but we'll kill all reds", which is less than satisfactory, even if the anti-red talk might sound nice and all.
iLoveKTF's platform seems slightly bette... actually, no it doesn't. He's just telling who he'd lynch if he was selected as mayor, and that's that, even disregarding the role of sheriff completely. Even if he did play well as a medic in the last game, that doesn't mean that he can simply run for office without a platform whatsoever. Also, I absolutely detest the picture he stole from Caller.
For now, all I'm going to ask for everyone is to vote, be it for me or anyone else. It's all we have, so be sure to use your power wisely.
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We can't really get strong suspicions off one days clues, and since most of us are new it's hard to get anything from behavior this early as well.
But we have to start somewhere and get some discussion going. The wording "eerily crepuscular" stood out to me. The cat is a crepuscular animal, and Jayme has a picture of a cat thats definitely eerie in his profile.
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On May 18 2009 17:10 The_Master wrote:
I am up for lynching inactive people on the first day. First of all, they are going to get killed anyway in a couple days, and if there is not enough evidence to pinpoint anyone it's better than just choosing a random active person (who is more than likely a townie).
Yes, it is possible that we might accidentally kill a blue role, but we might get a maffie as well. Anyway, there isn't much difference a blue role who doesn't do anything and dead blue role.
If someone is acting suspicious, I'm all for it - but I doubt that will happen on the first day.
I think this is a bad idea. Yes we may hit a mafioso, but last game I played we voted for lynching an inactive we hit blue. A mad-hatter at that. I'm sure there will be some sort of inactivity from some of the players, but immediately going for them after not posting for one day is not the way to go.
I say we watch for anything weird during the elections.
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On May 18 2009 20:44 wurm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 17:10 The_Master wrote:
I am up for lynching inactive people on the first day. First of all, they are going to get killed anyway in a couple days, and if there is not enough evidence to pinpoint anyone it's better than just choosing a random active person (who is more than likely a townie).
Yes, it is possible that we might accidentally kill a blue role, but we might get a maffie as well. Anyway, there isn't much difference a blue role who doesn't do anything and dead blue role.
If someone is acting suspicious, I'm all for it - but I doubt that will happen on the first day. I think this is a bad idea. Yes we may hit a mafioso, but last game I played we voted for lynching an inactive we hit blue. A mad-hatter at that. I'm sure there will be some sort of inactivity from some of the players, but immediately going for them after not posting for one day is not the way to go. I say we watch for anything weird during the elections.
Well, even if inactives might or might not be the first choice, if we don't ever hit the inactives the Mafia can easily just hide amongst them and have us running around after each other like headless chickens. "We might hit a blue" isn't really a good argument, there's always the chance.
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On May 18 2009 21:27 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 20:44 wurm wrote:On May 18 2009 17:10 The_Master wrote:
I am up for lynching inactive people on the first day. First of all, they are going to get killed anyway in a couple days, and if there is not enough evidence to pinpoint anyone it's better than just choosing a random active person (who is more than likely a townie).
Yes, it is possible that we might accidentally kill a blue role, but we might get a maffie as well. Anyway, there isn't much difference a blue role who doesn't do anything and dead blue role.
If someone is acting suspicious, I'm all for it - but I doubt that will happen on the first day. I think this is a bad idea. Yes we may hit a mafioso, but last game I played we voted for lynching an inactive we hit blue. A mad-hatter at that. I'm sure there will be some sort of inactivity from some of the players, but immediately going for them after not posting for one day is not the way to go. I say we watch for anything weird during the elections. Well, even if inactives might or might not be the first choice, if we don't ever hit the inactives the Mafia can easily just hide amongst them and have us running around after each other like headless chickens. "We might hit a blue" isn't really a good argument, there's always the chance.
I just don't want them to be the first choice. I didn't say we never hit the inactives. At this point there will be some level of inactivity at the start and most of the players are first timers, I don't expect them to post immediately after a day post. Just because them being inactive isn't a reason to lynch them outright. Like I said, the best way to weed out the suspicious ones right now is how everybody acts during the elections.
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