Mafia VIII [GG] - Page 34

On May 18 2009 11:32 Ace wrote:
here we go again. Mafia managed to make people take votes off of me, and no one read Ver's post.

Gotta love this town.

On May 19 2009 01:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Well, I wish I wasn't so far behind with everything when reading earlier. The infinity kill makes sense, I guess. He just posted a few times saying lawl I have no idea whats going on and then ran away and never really did anything.

and for the last time, Ace shut the hell up. NemY being mafia is so fucking unlikely and you know it. It is like a 1% chance at MOST. 98% chance of him being DT/Traitor and 1% of him being a douche townie.

The lying leads him to look more like a Traitor who didn't plan everything out that he would need. It happens. However BESIDES that, most of his behavior makes him look like a legit detective. This is just a dumb move for mafia.

Just because the election is over doesn't mean this serves no purpose. The mafia is going to kill him just to be safe, so we should consider putting a medic on him so they will hesitate on hitting him. At LEAST for one day until he can try to prove whether he is a legit DT or not. Well not so much prove, but give us something to work with then if he dies and pops up blue, now we have a legit role check to work with.

To summarize what I said. The mafia has to kill him UNLESS hes mafia. At which point in a few days we will just kill him if he doesn't die from the oppositions volition. If hes a DT/Traitor which I have stated is most likely then the mafia has to kill him regardless of which they think he is. The longer they let him live and he is a DT the more information we get from him. Even if they risk killing the traitor who only helps them cause chaos without implicating one of their own.

So yeah, if in 4 days mafia doesn't kill him hes probably mafia. Chance of that happening? Practically zero. Until then, lets just bask in the glorious amount of behavioral data that the nemy debacle has caused us. I collected some fishy shit from before page 18, I should probably update it accordingly though.

I'd like to know from where you're pulling these imaginary and false figures?

On May 19 2009 05:54 L wrote:


From the fact that the play was ultra ballsy, the fact that history shows that a real DT has figured its worth trying, and the fact that mafia setting up one of their members to get killed/vig hit on day 1-2 is incredibly poor play.

The risk is huge, the reward is not: Compare to someone who is a 'good player' like Ace/Ver being mafia and running (and there's obviously going to be one on the mafia side) why would you go about this route?

After this game, when the precedent is set that the gambit is a potential success for someone who tries it, it would be far less likely, but compared the potential nemy is mafia to ace or ver. Ace and Ver have huge playing tells and action tells which are pointing towards them being mafia. They might not be, but they're more likely to be than joe 6pack average player given the way they played day 1.

The likeliness nemy is mafia depends on the risk/reward ratio of making the claim. In the current instance, the risk of being caught is very high and the penalty is severe: 1/6th of the mafia die. Compare that to the reward: Ace is on record saying pardoner is far less powerful than i proposed it to be, so lets do this calculation in his head: Minimal reward: Town wouldn't start listening to him or funneling him information. Town would still be looking at him.

Which makes me wonder why Ace could possibly believe nemy is lynch material.

On May 19 2009 05:55 L wrote:
Again, read ace's post. His statement is that we need to discourage this type of play from future games regardless of any 'crumbling' in this one.

Clear instance of punishing the current town for making a play he doesn't approve of.

You're mentioning qualitative not quantitative observations. Still, my question remains unanswered.

On May 19 2009 06:24 L wrote:
Tricode was arguing against that point when you said his statements were logical and good.

Contradiction again.

On May 19 2009 06:26 Ace wrote:



how many am I up to now? I like to know my score when I'm playing a game.

On May 19 2009 06:24 L wrote:
You're intentionally wasting my time. There is no quantitative data in the game which is assured until people confirm themselves or die. beyond 22/29 chances for being a townie 7/29 for being mafia aligned there are no numbers you can use to directly determine the percentage "mafia" you are. You know this. I know this. "the I'm 99% certain he's a mafia" line, or variations thereof is simply meant to express that one person strongly believes in the statement.

But why are you even talking about his use of a fairly transperant literary device? Please tell me.

On May 19 2009 06:25 Caller wrote:
L and Ace, why are you guys still fighting? This is a really stupid point-whether or not we should lynch nemy-when we've barely started the game. At least wait until Day 2 and see if any clues point to him before you begin you ballasting of the other...

On May 19 2009 06:31 Ace wrote:



Trust me when I say I pay far more attention to everyone's posts than you people realize.

^_^

On May 19 2009 06:31 Ace wrote:


uh what? I don't think you've been paying attention so let me clear it up for you...

This whole lynching nemy idea is giving the town tons of information. I've expressed my views on why nemy is useless plenty of times.

L gets to see where my motives are, and so does the town.

I likewise get to see his motives too.

We also get to see the vote records of the people that voted one way, but said something else in the thread.

Oops almost forgot - we get to read posts about people for/against my idea of lynching nemy and how "supportive" they appear.

Last but not least, the best posts of all are those people that don't even pay attention to it and just try and bring up another point.

Trust me when I say I pay far more attention to everyone's posts than you people realize.

^_^