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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
May 18 2009 09:43 GMT
#641
well im guessing mafia is gonna kill nemY anyways lol
if not
:O
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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 18 2009 09:48 GMT
#642
Mafia don't need to. nemY can't r/c, far more likely than say, camlito to get medic protection, and one of the game's most outspoken voices wants him dead.
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Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
May 18 2009 10:07 GMT
#643
Fuck sorry for not voting. Will catch up with the thread.
sAviOr...
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
May 18 2009 10:12 GMT
#644
EBWOP: Couple of busy days + Australian hours + sleeping in don't help .
sAviOr...
Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-18 12:00:06
May 18 2009 11:46 GMT
#645
Family reunion was fun. Although, there was one slight problem: I don't speak French.

I didn't get home until around midnight and by that time my phone was dead, so I couldn't message anyone.

I'm happy to see Ace in office but why did you and Ver choose infinity21 instead of nemY?

Sure. It took the guy a while to post. The mods would most likely kill him off anyway for inactivity. I discussed it with Ver amongst others. nemY is a strong candidate for the black role. That card has been used before by the VI.

I would like to hear Ace/Ver's rationale behind it.

EDIT: Just got to Ver's post with regard to it. Thanks.
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Tricode
Profile Joined January 2009
United States538 Posts
May 18 2009 15:49 GMT
#646
On May 18 2009 18:19 L wrote:

You don't suggest a new topic of discussion, yet I have,

discussion gives us more potential to win.


I have suggested a new topic earlier in my posts. I was only being vague that last time because there was still the topic of who to lynch. But there were also other maybe minor things we could look at.
1, 2, he is coming for you. Kill the C0bbler!
dreamflower
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States312 Posts
May 18 2009 16:02 GMT
#647
Sorry for my absence as well. I was busy for most of the weekend running errands and doing spring cleaning, and when I checked in on the game in the evenings I frankly couldn't make heads or tails of all the arguing going on. So, I forebore on posting because I wanted to know whereof I spoke before I actually spoke.

Of course, while I was catching up on older stuff, new stuff happened in the meantime. Bah.

I'm glad we didn't vote nemY into office, because I wouldn't have been comfortable with a Mayor or Pardoner who seemed so comfortable with lying to the town about key issues, like the reason for his public roleclaim. I'm still on the fence about whether he should have been lynched or not, because he does seem like a traitor and lynching the traitor doesn't hurt the town's numbers, I think, but on the other hand, if he is just a misguided detective, it would be better to preserve that role if we can. From nemY's actual posts, I couldn't tell either way. As it didn't happen, though, I guess we'll have to wait until Night to see if anything happens in that area.
"When the gods wish to punish us, they answer our prayers." -Oscar Wilde
dreamflower
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States312 Posts
May 18 2009 16:24 GMT
#648
Oh. And @Incognito: I'm sorry that I didn't respond to your clue analysis. Besides my being busy (not to mention distracted by the nemY/Ace/Ver/L discussion), Day One clues are notoriously vague and analyses on them are often very large stretches. I still remember Pyrrhuloxia's Pika Chu analysis with a sort of rueful fondness. We've never seen how Qatol and LTT write clues, so I'm still not sure the ambient surroundings even count as clues. I agree with Caller that we should try to link Day One clues to other clues, instead of suspecting people on them alone.
"When the gods wish to punish us, they answer our prayers." -Oscar Wilde
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
May 18 2009 16:51 GMT
#649
Well, I wish I wasn't so far behind with everything when reading earlier. The infinity kill makes sense, I guess. He just posted a few times saying lawl I have no idea whats going on and then ran away and never really did anything.

and for the last time, Ace shut the hell up. NemY being mafia is so fucking unlikely and you know it. It is like a 1% chance at MOST. 98% chance of him being DT/Traitor and 1% of him being a douche townie.

The lying leads him to look more like a Traitor who didn't plan everything out that he would need. It happens. However BESIDES that, most of his behavior makes him look like a legit detective. This is just a dumb move for mafia.

Just because the election is over doesn't mean this serves no purpose. The mafia is going to kill him just to be safe, so we should consider putting a medic on him so they will hesitate on hitting him. At LEAST for one day until he can try to prove whether he is a legit DT or not. Well not so much prove, but give us something to work with then if he dies and pops up blue, now we have a legit role check to work with.

To summarize what I said. The mafia has to kill him UNLESS hes mafia. At which point in a few days we will just kill him if he doesn't die from the oppositions volition. If hes a DT/Traitor which I have stated is most likely then the mafia has to kill him regardless of which they think he is. The longer they let him live and he is a DT the more information we get from him. Even if they risk killing the traitor who only helps them cause chaos without implicating one of their own.

So yeah, if in 4 days mafia doesn't kill him hes probably mafia. Chance of that happening? Practically zero. Until then, lets just bask in the glorious amount of behavioral data that the nemy debacle has caused us. I collected some fishy shit from before page 18, I should probably update it accordingly though.
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nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
May 18 2009 17:10 GMT
#650
On May 18 2009 16:07 Ace wrote:
How is he punishing the town? Nemy played dumb, and in a game this level he got caught in a big lie.

Hence, he's very likely mafia.

Sorry but that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.

As for my trio, I don't know about those other 2 guys for sure but I'm innocent. Detectives should be checking Mynock, BC, Showtime! and Caller soon anyway.


Hypocrite. You know that's BS, EVERYBODY knows that's BS. Drop it already.
Tricode
Profile Joined January 2009
United States538 Posts
May 18 2009 17:22 GMT
#651
Nemy, you're really not helping here. If you are really part of the town/dt then work with the town. it's the best option for you right now.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
May 18 2009 17:25 GMT
#652
Nemy, relax. Its not a big deal. Just Ace is supposed to be Mr inconsistent infallible logic. But this seems pretty obvious and it escapes him or he ignores it. Sure, you being mafia is possible. Likely? Definitely not.

Nemy you can use your Role Check tomorrow right? If so I think we should make another Medic protect list, and keep nemy among it. I would like Caller or Showtime! to make the list. I don't care which. But I don't want Ace or Ver doing it.
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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
May 18 2009 17:31 GMT
#653
I don't see the need for a medic list, per se. Why play mind games with the mafia when the medics in this game are likely to be active?
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
May 18 2009 17:47 GMT
#654
On May 19 2009 02:31 mikeymoo wrote:
I don't see the need for a medic list, per se. Why play mind games with the mafia when the medics in this game are likely to be active?


Pretty much. I think the medic list was mostly a helpful idea to guide newer players.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
May 18 2009 17:48 GMT
#655
Because the medic list can essentially protect more than the number the medic allows. Having a medic list of say 4-6 people when there are only 2 medics means the mafia hits someone in that list and they run the 1/2 1/3 risk of hitting a protected person. It is a mind game in the sense that it makes them think they can't hit anyone in that group because there is a good chance they are protected compared to anyone else.

While the medic list helps medics know who to protect who aren't really paying as much attention as they should be, it also scares the mafia away from a larger group of people.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 18 2009 17:53 GMT
#656
I think as a general rule, protect people who you don't think will be hit. Mafia expects you to protect some people and will ignore them.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 18 2009 19:30 GMT
#657
On May 19 2009 01:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Well, I wish I wasn't so far behind with everything when reading earlier. The infinity kill makes sense, I guess. He just posted a few times saying lawl I have no idea whats going on and then ran away and never really did anything.

and for the last time, Ace shut the hell up. NemY being mafia is so fucking unlikely and you know it. It is like a 1% chance at MOST. 98% chance of him being DT/Traitor and 1% of him being a douche townie.

The lying leads him to look more like a Traitor who didn't plan everything out that he would need. It happens. However BESIDES that, most of his behavior makes him look like a legit detective. This is just a dumb move for mafia.

Just because the election is over doesn't mean this serves no purpose. The mafia is going to kill him just to be safe, so we should consider putting a medic on him so they will hesitate on hitting him. At LEAST for one day until he can try to prove whether he is a legit DT or not. Well not so much prove, but give us something to work with then if he dies and pops up blue, now we have a legit role check to work with.

To summarize what I said. The mafia has to kill him UNLESS hes mafia. At which point in a few days we will just kill him if he doesn't die from the oppositions volition. If hes a DT/Traitor which I have stated is most likely then the mafia has to kill him regardless of which they think he is. The longer they let him live and he is a DT the more information we get from him. Even if they risk killing the traitor who only helps them cause chaos without implicating one of their own.

So yeah, if in 4 days mafia doesn't kill him hes probably mafia. Chance of that happening? Practically zero. Until then, lets just bask in the glorious amount of behavioral data that the nemy debacle has caused us. I collected some fishy shit from before page 18, I should probably update it accordingly though.



useless shit
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 18 2009 19:30 GMT
#658
On May 19 2009 02:10 nemY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2009 16:07 Ace wrote:
How is he punishing the town? Nemy played dumb, and in a game this level he got caught in a big lie.

Hence, he's very likely mafia.

Sorry but that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.

As for my trio, I don't know about those other 2 guys for sure but I'm innocent. Detectives should be checking Mynock, BC, Showtime! and Caller soon anyway.


Hypocrite. You know that's BS, EVERYBODY knows that's BS. Drop it already.


useless shit #2
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 18 2009 19:45 GMT
#659
As for infinity21 being lynched I didn't know it was going to be him. Ver asked me who to lynch between MrBabyHands and Amber[light].

Of course I picked amber[light] because I was pretty sure MBH would post sometime soon, and he ended up doing so.

Then I wake up to see infinity21 lynched when he wasn't even in the discussion.

For safety sake, that means Amber[light] is now on the DT list.

DT List:
Mynock
Showtime!
Caller
BC
Amber[light] <--low priority

Lynch list:
nemy
RebirthofLegend

Oh what's that? Why do I have a lynch list? Glad you asked.

First let me explain why I'll vote for nemy everyday. Remember Mafia 3? Remember when Folca did that DT claim stunt, and even when the game ended I had to explain to idiots why you ALWAYS lynch the DT first? Here's part of the lesson - So people just don't do it in future games.

We've been over this countless times. If you allow people to roleclaim DT on Day 1 with no consequences then every game some mafia is going to do it because they know there is a chance they can get away with it. People always say "well durrr, why would mafia do it if it's so easy they'd be caught?" - they do it because they know jackasses will fall for it. Just lynch anyone who does it so A.)Our real DTs learn how to play by bread crumbing and B.) mafia just wont risk the instant lynch.

Do you see how this makes the game easier for the Town side in the long run? Well, nemy has played plenty of games before. He knows what happens when you RC DT Day 1. Then he got caught in a lie and still hasn't given up those Private Messages.

Sorry, but any truly good Veteran Mafia player knows thats a call for death. You played your hand, you fucked up. I don't believe you really are a DT and actually I don't even care because your not needed to win the game. You can be a traitor - there are no better lynch targets yet and I doubt the first Night of kills is going to help that much.

As for RebirthofLegend, I'm on the basis of going back to the old way of playing Mafia (MBH knows this style very well) - idiots die first. RebirthofLegend is so stupid and always seems to never know whats going on. He STILL can't even explain how it's possible nemy can be blue. At least with L I can see his point (L is fearful of the consequences) but with RoL it's always "no Ace, I never believe you". Every game I play there are morons like him that just like to go against whatever I do as if there's some prize for one upping me in the chance I'm mafia so they can say AHA! I got Ace! It's just a stupid strategy that doesn't work because he doesn't know how to read objectively. So anyone that plays like an idiot automatically goes on my list to be lynched. If you're a townie - think before you type. No really - THINK long and fucking hard before you hit that post button. Or you'll end up making dumb posts like RoL and nemy. We don't need morons for this town to win and unless there's a damn good suspect on the chopping block you're my first draft picks faggots.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
May 18 2009 19:59 GMT
#660
Ace is right with regards to the fake DT RCing. It won't go away anytime soon. As for the whole medic protection list. Let's be clear. There are only two of you and about twenty people to protect. I ask you guys to go with your intuition because anything I post publicly or through PM could be used against us.
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