Mafia VII - GG - Page 7

On May 08 2009 16:12 Camlito wrote:
LOL WTF I WAS FULLY RIGHT ON MY CLUES


THIS TOWN SUCKS, LISTEN TO MALONGO MORE. j/k malongo, you tried .

/end Bragging rant


well played mafia... actually nah you didn't even do anything special.

On May 08 2009 20:11 Showtime! wrote:
- With that said, read between the lines! I gave you guys SOG on Day 1. Likewise, I gave our DTs a chance to make Caller and myself the core. I didn't lie when I pointed the Town to SOG, Caller and myself. I said only one of us is Mafia. As for the rest? Caller and I would make a strong core and we missed it. If the DTs did their checks we wouldn't have been in this mess and the medics would have known who to protect.

On May 09 2009 23:13 0cz3c wrote:



Ace is absolutely right. This game was perfectly balanced. Two things killed the town: its general inactivity and its nonsensical stupidity. You guys ignored very legitimate analysis and convictions until the very end (when it was far too late). I think if Ace had explained why Qatol was mafia, Qatol might have died earlier, but the fact that he lived as long as he did really speaks loudly about the town.

On May 10 2009 05:02 Qatol wrote:


Then why was chuiu's game seen as balanced possibly favoring the mafia? Same mafia count. Same KP. There was 1 less vigi but 2 veterans. There were 2 CKs but no millers. And there was no sheriff. Oh yeah, and the mafia could kill each other night 1.... Seems to me like the mafia took a pretty big hit when comparing this game to last game.

On May 10 2009 05:08 Qatol wrote:

Assuming perfect balance, the town figures out a way to decrease KP before day 5..... With any previous setup, the town still would have lost if they only managed to find 1 mafia on their own before day 5. Are you trying to say the town should be allowed to miss on the first 3 lynches + a vigi hit + lose another vigi without him using his hit and still have a reasonable chance to win?

On May 10 2009 05:20 Qatol wrote:

Ok, so with 2 vigi hits, 5 lynches, and you probably should have been using 2 double lynches by day 5 (9 kills) you can't kill 2 mafia?

I'm not saying anything about how I played. That is irrelevant right now. I'm just trying to ask you what you think would be balanced? How many mafia do you think the town should have to figure out by day 4? day 5? Personally, I think it should be at LEAST 3-4 by day 5.

I just went back and checked BC's first game (which was pretty close). 4 mafia dead day 4, 5 on day 5. Do you think the town needs to work faster than that? Slower than that?

On May 10 2009 05:44 Ver wrote:


You are completely wrong, sorry.

If town played perfectly with qatol as mayor.

mayor lynch- miss
day 1- hit (vote double)
day 2- vigi 2x hit, lynch 2x hit (vote double)
day 3- lynch 2x hit (vote double)
day 4- lynch 2x hit

9 mafia dead by day 4. Assuming perfect game with qatol as mayor. Considering bockit died by mafia hands that would've been game by day 4 (which is around when mafia had pretty much victory guaranteed). Obviously you don't need a perfect game to win or anything close. With 9 potential KP, even 2 hits would've worked out ok and you could've went into late game on reasonable footing. Mafia with 4 KP is very different than mafia with 6 KP.

Double lynches, misused vigi hits. You guys had plenty of KP, just didn't use it since you had all the wrong targets and so much uncertainty. Blues didn't hide themselves well, etc.

Arguing this is kinda ridiculous. BC even gave you guys more blues than he should've (extra dt and medic).

On May 10 2009 05:43 Qatol wrote:

I agree day 1 lynch is totally random. Town has approximately a 1 in 5 chance of getting a mafia. However I think it isn't unreasonable for the town to have killed at least 1 mafia with the day 2 lynch and/or the night 2 vigi hits. KP formula this game was funky, but the town HAS to decrease it decently early or they stand no chance. And that is how I think it should be.

I argue that you are forgetting about vigi hits. Also you don't think it would have mattered if you had taken away a KP from us earlier? If you had killed say Ver day 2 and me day 3 (or vice versa)? Do you even know what that would have done to our bluesniping? Not to mention my family had about even odds of just putting in a hitlist on the other family.

I realize that game had votechecks. Vigilantes also had 2 hits instead of 1. Notice I decreased the number of mafia I expected to catch by day 5 (the town had 5 and could have barely won if they had stayed active; I said I expect town to have caught 3-4 on our their meaning 4-5 dead mafia thanks to 2 families). Again, how many dead mafia do you think is reasonable by day 4 or day 5?

On May 10 2009 04:40 L wrote:
Malongo,

if the town had another 3 active people with their heads out of their asses, the votes on day 2, 3 and 4 would have been different and we wouldn't have been able to pull a 2 mafia lynch and plop it onto 2 townies AND cut the double lynch. If the town didn't have multiple members trying to incriminate themselves by posting like retards and refusing to explain their wild accusations, voting would have been different too. Both versatile and ace played very poorly during day 2 which gave us a huge opening which we capitalized on.

The reason why it seems like things were so lopsided is because the vast majority of blues stuck their necks out and got raped. There were ZERO vigi hits on mafia, ZERO CK hits on mafia, a late start to double lynching and incredibly poor accuracy from town. Mafia teams were 5 people each: if you double lynched us correctly on that day 5 post, we would have dropped to 4kp, and been largely fucked if you followed that up with another successful double lynch. Needed more time to smoke out mafia? Doesn't seem like it due to all of these "lol i knew 3 mafia on day 2" posts we're getting.

Additionally, Qatol and I talked about having to kill the other family the moment he told me he called out Ver. When I was arguing that mafia would work together despite having to kill each other at the end, I wasn't talking out of my ass. I was actually giving you the exact reason why it would happen regardless of the end rules. Mafia having to kill each other at the end is irrelevant if they recognize what mafia have in prior games: More days means more clues. More clues means you can't hide forever. You NEED the other mafia's killing power to chop the town down to size.

I mean, go ahead and look at what happened each day as you listed it. Each were good plays by us and terrible plays by the town. Should we lose for playing near perfectly? Should we lose because the vast majority of your players decided to play footsie in PMs and got raped for it? According to you, the town should have had an equal chance to win despite a grand total of 4 members of the entire town actually putting in meaningful work. Sorry but that's not balance.

On May 10 2009 13:03 L wrote:

Rofl.

If this game was balanced, the team that performed better should win. Correct? Town played horribly. Mafia played near perfectly. Mafia should win under those circumstances, and they did.

I think you need to take a step back, drink a cold one and relax before making another post here.

That we played better or not is not a matter of argument. Town played like complete shit, we did not.

Maybe you should learn how an argument is formed before telling me what my argument is. Feel free to separate a premise from a conclusion and read my posts again.

On May 10 2009 18:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Malongo, do me a favour, never host.

This game is tweaked so that both sides have issues, but overall favours the town with added blue roles, and mafia kp being divided till mafia finds eachother.

So yes it was slightly imbalanced towards town, and you lost, stop bitching already.