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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On March 05 2009 04:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I will add a note in malongo, Chuiu spends alot more time on making these then I do, my game was a mod of his mafia 3  To the point that you didn't know DTs could votecheck the "did not vote" list! That's what you get for copying haha | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On March 05 2009 04:59 Qatol wrote: To the point that you didn't know DTs could votecheck the "did not vote" list! That's what you get for copying haha Was in his rule set as well, you guys just got craftier! | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On March 05 2009 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Was in his rule set as well, you guys just got craftier! More like we read the rules and noticed the change That being said, I did enjoy the balance of your game. Without that change, the game would have been really one-sided. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
a) simple role setup; as in not something out of Caller's game (though that was still fun). b) mandatory activity or voting. inactives die (?) c) Mayor/Pardoner system is optional, although *personally* i would prefer it - i like the dynamic, but it's also hard to balance it. might be better to leave it out. roles i think are o.k.: Medic Vet DT - in a limited form at least Vig - i'd say 2 vig maximum in a game, otherwise town kp is just way too high especially with double lynch Mad hatter - he's fun. suicide bomber ability should be axed imho. Miller - if we play with mayor/pardoner system i'd say he should be in Godfather - A nice twist Saboteur - Also a fair role i think. Only problem is mafia may just roleblock high profile players if they don't bother to analyze posts for blues. That'd be their fault though. Haven't read all of the thread, so sorry if i repeated anything that's been said 10x already. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On March 05 2009 04:59 Qatol wrote: To the point that you didn't know DTs could votecheck the "did not vote" list! That's what you get for copying haha I didn't play BC's game, but that sounds like a good check against inactive mafia. | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
Everyone smurfs, idk if this is ok with the mods but if everyone smurfs you dont really know how a particular player should be acting so behavior analysis is ALOT harder and it puts more pressure on clue analysis which is what we want | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
Because smurfing makes for the best clues to analyze... | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
On March 05 2009 16:59 Scaramanga wrote: Havent read the thread but ive had an idea to stop the ammount of blues dying on the first day Everyone smurfs, idk if this is ok with the mods but if everyone smurfs you dont really know how a particular player should be acting so behavior analysis is ALOT harder and it puts more pressure on clue analysis which is what we want Thats a possible idea, but honestly i think its just personal and doesnt interfere with the game. Im 100% convinced ace and ver were smurfing last game and i have a feeling that a certain waffle moderator has been playing with us for long as well. None of these is confirmed just a guess  . | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
DTs need infinite rolechecks, especially if there will be only 2 of them. They also need them every day or else they will be useless. Likewise they need their cluechecks too. Vote list aren't needed, but if the game will have low KP it speeds the game up. Maybe 1 per DT but I'm not too fond of vote checks. Medics and their targets have to be informed that they protected a hit/were hit. Otherwise mafia can fake medic (like they can now) but medics can't prove themselves. So it's "hey I protted you last night" and it's blind trust. No flow of information to the townies in this form which is bad. Townies need to get info in other ways than death or DT. I don't think vigis are that strong with dbl lynch in the game. 2 vigis, 1 shot each isn't what I'd prefer but it certainly is OK. 2 shots max, but 1 is good also. Keep vets. Even if you only put 2 in. Mayor/Pardoner please. Without it the game isn't exciting enough from the get go, and the roles offer something both sides want so it's not going to be an auto-advantage for either side. Im half sleep I'll probably have more later since I know I forgot something. | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
On March 05 2009 20:08 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: if you encourage smurfing pretty soon people are going to sign up with multiple accounts to try to fuck up the game / look cool Mods can see aka's, so they'll be able to know if theres multiple accounts for one person btw why would anyone want to fuck up the game, thats just stupid by those people | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On March 05 2009 20:42 Scaramanga wrote: Mods can see aka's, so they'll be able to know if theres multiple accounts for one person btw why would anyone want to fuck up the game, thats just stupid by those people I dunno I thought thats what fishball or whoever does? Or does he just go afk if he gets a green role? | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On March 05 2009 20:45 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I dunno I thought thats what fishball or whoever does? Or does he just go afk if he gets a green role? I love ignorance. Reminds me of the GLB thread. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On March 05 2009 23:28 Fishball wrote: I love ignorance. Reminds me of the GLB thread. Well that's what question marks are for. Maybe you could enlighten me? | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
On March 05 2009 23:28 Fishball wrote: I love ignorance. Reminds me of the GLB thread. Can you just write like a human being for once? | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On March 06 2009 01:41 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Well that's what question marks are for. Maybe you could enlighten me? Fishball generally joins the game and then messes around the whole game regardless of his role. He is somewhat active, but doesn't help pull off any plans. He also deliberately puts himself on voting lists that he thinks will be checked because it causes controversy around him. Anything you want to add fishball? EDIT: Apparently this picture only really applied for 1 game and was due to some misunderstandings. Ignore! + Show Spoiler + On March 05 2009 20:19 Ace wrote: Ok just a few updates on my thoughts: DTs need infinite rolechecks, especially if there will be only 2 of them. They also need them every day or else they will be useless. Likewise they need their cluechecks too. Vote list aren't needed, but if the game will have low KP it speeds the game up. Maybe 1 per DT but I'm not too fond of vote checks. Medics and their targets have to be informed that they protected a hit/were hit. Otherwise mafia can fake medic (like they can now) but medics can't prove themselves. So it's "hey I protted you last night" and it's blind trust. No flow of information to the townies in this form which is bad. Townies need to get info in other ways than death or DT. I don't think vigis are that strong with dbl lynch in the game. 2 vigis, 1 shot each isn't what I'd prefer but it certainly is OK. 2 shots max, but 1 is good also. Keep vets. Even if you only put 2 in. Mayor/Pardoner please. Without it the game isn't exciting enough from the get go, and the roles offer something both sides want so it's not going to be an auto-advantage for either side. Im half sleep I'll probably have more later since I know I forgot something. While I'm also not a very big fan of votechecks, I liked the idea of having just 1 because I think it adds an interesting dynamic to voting. Specifically, it prevents the mafia from auto-voting for whatever bandwagon is currently happening because they feel the need to spread out their votes a little. Your medic idea works but only if people haven't already been roleclaiming. Also, this strategy will likely wind up revealing both the medic and the mafioso. Interesting idea though. However, with an idea like that, medics can't really prove themselves anyway. I don't like vets because nobody seems to know how to play them right. Many treat getting the role veteran like they treat getting townie. They simply go inactive. I personally prefer the old hatter with 1 bomb to veteran because I think it creates more strategy, but I just don't think we are at the skill level yet collectively to make good use of the veteran role. Finally, Happy Birthday Ace! | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On March 06 2009 03:16 Qatol wrote: Fishball generally joins the game and then messes around the whole game regardless of his role. He is somewhat active, but doesn't help pull off any plans. He also deliberately puts himself on voting lists that he thinks will be checked because it causes controversy around him. Anything you want to add fishball? I have joined every single Mafia game except for one since Chuiu made the first one. (Also including the failed Starcraft Mafia, made by somebody I don't remember who, but TL search should help) The only game I did not join was Caller's game, hosting right after BC's. First game - I was townie and I died early. Second game - I was townie again, then became Ace's Bodyguard, but was also killed off early. Third game - Townie, but Ace was Mafia and he killed me during the first Night cycle, dying early once again. Fourth game with Ace hosting - I was Mafia, I played my role well, but with people "infiltrating" IRC channels and worst yet, another Mafia member giving up the entire list of his family to the town, with the sole reason "I was bored", ruined the game. Fifth game, BC host - I was a Veteran. At this point, I think if you've been paying attention, you would have caught my posts regarding this game in recent threads already. In every single game, inactiveness of certain players have always played a critical role. This game was worse. Small details aside, this game mainly consisted two things: List checks and Inactivness. Inactive was what killed the town, and List checks was the only weapon the town had. Clue analysis did not work very well and was basically non existent. Ace was basically silenced for most of the game, and the town was doing crappy. After Spike, a townie, was lynched, I kept my eye closely on Mynock, who was suspicious to me. After I was proved townie, Ace did manage to send me a PM regarding a plan, before he was silenced again. Ace also added a "pass phrase" in order to communicate with people within the "inner circle". Mynock then approached me later, regarding another plan, and said there was no time for the pass phrase or something like that. Amberlight claimed vigilante publicly while Mynock have told me he was the vigilante himself. Even though I was then, a proved townie, information didn't match up. What that means, is basically they were keeping information from me, or they were mafia and lying. It turned out to be the former. You see, at this point after five Mafia games, with all the lame shit that have ruined previous games, I'm pretty much fed up by now. This is also one of the main reason I skipped Caller's game, to take a rest. Seventh game, Chuiu's most recent game. I was a Veteran. Game ended like in 1 Day/Night cycle. I've made a few posts the entire game. None of them were "trolling". I was busy the entire weekend, regarding issues with RL, have mentioned in the thread and BC also knows about it. I finally took time to catch up with 34 pages on Monday, read through the whole thing only to find out that the game had ended. If you must mark me as a troll, the only condition you (and others) could have done so is when regarding BC's game. I'm done repeating myself about this game already. Clearly the ones who keep asking is either not reading, or have poor reading comprehension. I don't talk about any game information while I'm dead like Attackzerg, who doesn't shut up even being warned numerous times; I don't betray my own mafia family members; I don't "hack"; I'm not as poetic as Ocz (love the guy); I don't photoshop PM's, even though there is a strict rule to NOT post role PM's in the first place, and I don't go inactive for most of the game. I have suggested numerous times to have open discussion regarding TL Mafia roles and rules setup. All I want is to be able to play a full game, without any of the factors listed above. I'm sure most of the people here are hoping for the same thing. So back to your original quote: "Fishball generally joins the game and then messes around the whole game regardless of his role." If you still think your statement still stands, I guess I'm a pretty hot troll. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On March 06 2009 01:50 malongo wrote: Can you just write like a human being for once? If you could define "write like a human being", sure. | ||
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