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Canada7170 Posts
On December 31 2008 12:00 HeRoS)Pink wrote:
I find it suspicious that mikeymoo doesnt want to sacrifice himself to give valuable information to the town. The worst possible case is that he's a blue and that BC is the village idiot
Also, mynock is defending mikeymoo way to much (he's a good player why doing such a move?), he can be mafia
I'm supposed to go to sleep but I can't let this go unnoticed.
I don't want to sacrifice my life for information for the town because I'm blue, for one. Secondly, BC is likely VI and that wastes the town's time for two days (if you lynch me). Mynock is a good player, yes. Why would he be defending me? Because he's smart. Just like Ace. Ace defended me as well. Was he mafia? Nope. If you'll notice, smart people from previous games are defending me. Not because they're mafia. Because they're smart. They see through BC's gaping holes.
AttackZerg voted for me. He was mafia
Ace voted for BC. He was paramedic
Ace voted for BC in sound mind. REREAD ACE'S POSTS.
Maybe I'll stay up all night for this. I can't believe I just said that.
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Ugh 16 whole pages. I got lazy after the 10th page but I dont think mikeymoo is mafia guys.
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On December 31 2008 15:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
For those who want a detailed move lets do this.
I was given role of DT, and as i said earlier i know prominent players from previous games. The first on my list atm for decent players are mynock, camlito, ver, ace, mickeymoo. Those are the first names in my head.
Most people would check ace or ver, and possibly mynock, but not camlito or mickeymoo. Camlito was mafia last game, chances of another flip of red is rare, i rolechecked mickeymoo then without anyone to trust, nor sure if i was blue, i posted my findings publically.
I advocated my position i believe well, but as soon as he claimed blue, i knew i was sane, but continued to argue the way i did to hopefully help the town realize i was trying to do this for the betterment of it. But now as it comes down to me about to die. Remember that when i flip as dt, he has already confirmed that he is red by claiming blue, as such lynch or vigi him for it.
AttackZerg's vote decisively proves that mikeymoo could not be mafia. No mafia would vote for his own teammate on the first day when there are two equally opposing choices and they wouldn't kill off their teammates that early in the game either.
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Oh btw, I remember a blog post of Guitar Hero and the guy didn't know what song was playing. Turned out it was Beat it by Michael Jackson, can't find the particular thread but it might be worth checking out =).
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Canada7170 Posts
If I die, make sure you speculate on each and every person that voted for me. Since there are no listchecks this game, mafia aren't afraid to blatantly vote for innocents. This should not be a close vote, imo. BC is lying. Reread everything and remember Ace voted for BC and AZ voted for me. I honestly don't think we can relocate to a 3rd person in time, but BC is not a DT, I assure you. He is far too smart to claim DT just so he can figure out if he's sane.
Think about this.
BC calls me out.
I flip red/green.
BC figures out if he's sane.
Mafia sends S. bomber after him (wasn't used when BC accused me)
Useless.
Why would BC do such a stupid move? He's VI. It's pretty obvious. Just give him what he wants, we (town) can live on.
I feel like I've said all I can say. The decision rests with the town. (I'm half-drunk so I'm sleepy)
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Okay, here's some clue analysis...
Beat it -> Bockit
BI, JBI, SBI are consistently capitalized in the lyrics. Beat It, Just Beat It, So Beat It. Now obviously Bockit has only 1 capitalized letter, but iunno I just saw Bock It and figured I just throw this out there. And of course, there are multiple things capitalized in the lyrics, but there are also some words that aren't capitalized.
You have to show them that you’re really not scared (omitted) -> JeeJee
JeeJee's profile talks about fear and conquering fear quoting Franz Stampfl. Caller omitted this particular line/phrase from the Day 1 post. Now this omission could mean nothing at all, but again I think throwing this out there would be nice as well.
I don't know if these 2 particular users are acting as they normally would. And if I die overnight, don't be mislead by my clues. Mafia would gladly kill someone giving off false clues in hopes that those false clues lead the town in the wrong direction. Take everything I say with a grain of salt.
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United States2186 Posts
On December 31 2008 15:53 ydg wrote:
i dunno, if he's VI why would he put so much effort in his posts if he wants to be lynched?
as opposed to mikeymoo, who hasn't really put effort in his defense. but that makes him non-mafiaesque. hm..
I will go into a bit of depth on my analysis of BC. Long post read end for summary.
Look at RoL last game (the aborted one). He went through excruciating lengths to do it. BC is quite possibly using the train of thought that people wouldn't think that the VI would pull the same stunt twice in a row.
It is not his target that falls short on logic. mikeymoo was a jack in 3 and yes he was quite important as one of the main leaders in the town's hidden circle. It actually makes sense because the other dts would be likely to check one of the other more known major players and BC has worked with mikey in mafia 3. I would be very surprised if I haven't been checked actually, but with insane cops its honestly dumb to publically reveal it (coming to this). Only the jack can be certain (I think?? I'm not sure if Caller transferred that over or if he's willing to tell us this time after the Ace/RoL debacle)
There are four reasons why BC is VI with almost entire certainty.
1) He's not an idiot (refer back to this in later points). I mean, this isn't 0zc3c. This isn't Folca. BC's actions do not fit with him at all. And they do not make rational sense for being a mafia.
2) His logic SUCKS. Why would a dt put a target on their heads and cause immense chaos for the town (just helps mafia) just on a chance? And why would he be so willing to remove in his opinion a very key player right from the start if he's potentially townie. This is where rebirth's logic fit much better, as he was jack who did not have sanity problems. But BC wanted to kill a key player just on the chance (and we don't know that chance so it's worse) that he was mafia to prove his sanity? lol? We can easily test sanity by inspecting a guy about to die. If BC was dt, he would not be stupid enough to reveal himself this early, instead he would keep the evidence of mikeymoo and wait to prove his insanity. Note that mikeymoo claiming blue is irrelevant. What matters here is BC's motivations. And let me tell you, they aren't pure.
3) The village idiot needs to act on day 1. Remember that village idiot is no longer invincible and therefore needs to act very fast to get himself killed before the mafia can kill him or the town ignores him. What BC is doing fits this task perfectly (his execution is just bad, see point 4).
4) He is being absurdly overaggressive. This is a trait normally formed in people who are desperate for a lynch. This includes a) mafia b) not town. Look at BC's previous game. All the people who were super overzealous about getting someone killed were mafia heh. VI is obviously the most desperate for a lynch (And when we lynch mikeymoo and if he turns up blue then BC will undoubtedly get his wish, just the same as if we lynch BC first). This was the biggest indicator to me of his true role. As time went on he turned more and more aggressive, including Ace in his accusations. This can fit a role of a bad player like Folca, but BC is not a bad player. This does not fit the character. His arguments seem fine for awhile but grow more and more illogical over time. His constant trashtalking of Ace and Mynock just reinforces this.
Now through all this, all I have done is proven that BC is not a townie. However, the fact that he must be VI is clear when you factor in point 1. What would BC as mafia hope to gain from this? Get an important member killed? Cause Chaos? Those would be the only two reasons, and frankly they both aren't doing well. Causing chaos could have been a good idea IF Ace was mafia. If you look carefully on page 4, there was a bunch of jokes/half serious statements about RC'ing Ace, then BC posts, then he comes out and starts this chain. Before that, there was no reason to cause chaos to divert attention (as attackzerg was trying to do last game away from Ace with that false roleclaim crap on me), and as Ace is obviously medic, this goes down the drain. Nothing for chaos. And getting an important town member killed in exchange for a mafia is not worth it generally ESPECIALLY if you don't know their role and ESPECIALLY if you don't know if you can even pull it off. Frankly, its moronic.
AZ's vote matters *slightly* but I don't want to read too far into this because given the magnitude of his move he undoubtedly realized that his brief history would be checked. And yes he did support BC in the thread but at the same time labled him as the village idiot lol. Basically just trying to cause confusion. However, there is one person who I'm pretty certain is innocent from all this and I'll try to work with them and they can use myself as their mouthpiece if they would like.
So what is the conclusion? He wants either a) the town to kill mikeymoo, realize he's town, and then kill BC in revenge, or b) for them to realize the holes in his logic and kill him straight up. Double win for him either way, and with all the commotion he's causing, he's almost guaranteeing that one of the two dies. There is of course option c (what would've happened with rol), where he picked out mikeymoo at random who's actually mafia, we kill mikey first, and now we trust BC lol.
I do not want to waste a lynch on BC whatsoever. He's not played it particularly well and I don't want village idiot winning when all he's done is hurt the town and waste time. Unfortunately as it's day 1 and networks haven't been formed we don't have a great many targets and little to go on certainty (I hope DTs aren't inactive like in ace's game that screwed us hard -_- ) . All I can propose is a low risk medium reward scenario of lynching useless people who could mess the town over. Latham is most likely mafia but 0zc3c is far more damaging to the town because he causes too much useless chaos (see BC's game lol). I'm down for either one.
The key point is that with lynching BC we gain nothing and he wins when he shouldn't. When we lynch mikeymoo we run the chance that he's mafia, which would be great, but we run a higher chance that's not, which would royally suck since he's been proven to be a good asset to the town. Basically both options suck. Thus, 0zc3c or Latham. They are minimal risk and decent reward. I'm going to go with Latham because even though 0zc3c's rampant garbage posting chaos is a huge help towards the mafia (as we all saw last game lol), 0zc3c has a 'possibility' of being useful and hasn't shown any specific reason to be mafia, whereas Latham definitely hasn't proven to be useful at all and fits potential mafia behavior. I can see good arguments for 0zc3c but in my eyes Latham is higher reward at lower risk.
Change your votes to Latham people. Unless of course someone wants to provide a better target.
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United States2186 Posts
I just edited a tiny portion on mikeys roleclaim in part 2.
I likely will be very busy tomorrow and will have little time to post (hence why I tried to include as much as possible into that one post). I hope that the town can manage to switch off bc/mikeymoo in time and can go into night well. Sorry but a longer term strategy has to wait till I have more time (jan 1st or 2nd u.s time). I hope to be able to live the night, hence why I am coming out in the open from the start in hopes of getting protection since the mafia would likely kill me anyway if I stayed silent. And I hate to see the town go down a wrong path so early, which is the same reason why I jumped in the fray in Ace's game.
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Okay Ver, your analysis... vs. Latham's actions.
Latham so far as made 2 posts... Page 3
On December 31 2008 03:41 Latham wrote:
Someone do a clue analysis plz because I don't even see clues in there.
and Page 4
On December 31 2008 05:49 Latham wrote:
Hell, let's just lynch mike and if he flips blue/green next time lets lynch cobber.
Then you say. "K mafia" and he doesn't respond to your comment.
You have pretty solid behavioral analysis. I think it deserves some merit.
I would like to think BC is VI now... and MM's role is relatively unknown blue, but with Ace's analysis... BC first would be nice and if MM can some how get cleared, it'll be interesting to see how Latham reacts.
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Oh yeah, some more clue analysis...
Beat it -> Rage
Well, if you rage at a person or some thing... I suppose one thing you do is Beat It.
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I say we lynch oz3k or w/e since I have told him my role already =(.
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On December 31 2008 18:21 JL13 wrote:Okay Ver, your analysis... vs. Latham's actions. Latham so far as made 2 posts... Page 3 Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 03:41 Latham wrote:
Someone do a clue analysis plz because I don't even see clues in there. and Page 4 Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 05:49 Latham wrote:
Hell, let's just lynch mike and if he flips blue/green next time lets lynch cobber. Then you say. "K mafia" and he doesn't respond to your comment. You have pretty solid behavioral analysis. I think it deserves some merit. I would like to think BC is VI now... and MM's role is relatively unknown blue, but with Ace's analysis... BC first would be nice and if MM can some how get cleared, it'll be interesting to see how Latham reacts.
Hi. I live in Belgium. You live in the U.S. regardless of where you live I'd say there's a -8h timezone between us. When you post, it's the middle of the night for me and I'm sleeping. Guess what else? A majority of TLers are from the U.S. and that's why I just woke up to find 8 pages of reading to do.
Hell if you want to lynch me, it certainly wont change much for me this game since I'm green. I also think that clues in form of lyrics from songs (especially from MJ's songs) are just plain retarded. If it will make you feel better I read 9 pages total and decided to change my vote.
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Belgium9944 Posts
On December 31 2008 19:01 Tensai176 wrote:
I say we lynch oz3k or w/e since I have told him my role already =(.
lol you're not very smart are you
no actually youre pretty dumb
if he was mafia, he already sent your role to the others in case he got lynched
if he wasn't mafia, now the mafia knows you're a blue
not to mention how dumb it is to reply to such a PM without any confirmation.
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0cz3c sent that PM to everyone I think, even I got it. He think's I'm bue lol ;]
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to get ocz3c to stop messaging you tell him you'll fucking kill him every time and he stops after 3x.
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On December 31 2008 20:53 RaGe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 19:01 Tensai176 wrote:
I say we lynch oz3k or w/e since I have told him my role already =(. lol you're not very smart are you no actually youre pretty dumb if he was mafia, he already sent your role to the others in case he got lynched if he wasn't mafia, now the mafia knows you're a blue not to mention how dumb it is to reply to such a PM without any confirmation.
Or maybe he's lying about that to either get one hit from mafia or several hits from mafia. Regardless, I'm not distributing out the role he gave me. It's between him and me.
Edit: I've gotten at least 10 other roles roles by the way. I'm assuming that at least five are genuine. There were also many wise cracks, which I did my best to play along with. By the way, RoL, I really enjoyed your PMs. My responses made perfect sense. You just need to re-look them and learn how to read them.
Ver, I'm still awaiting that PM from you.
Not giving those other roles I discovered, either. (one of them was the already dead medic -.-)
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On December 31 2008 21:05 AttackZerg wrote:
to get ocz3c to stop messaging you tell him you'll fucking kill him every time and he stops after 3x.
Your insanity never ceases to amuse me. You suicidal bastard.
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On December 31 2008 22:45 0cz3c wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 20:53 RaGe wrote:On December 31 2008 19:01 Tensai176 wrote:
I say we lynch oz3k or w/e since I have told him my role already =(. lol you're not very smart are you no actually youre pretty dumb if he was mafia, he already sent your role to the others in case he got lynched if he wasn't mafia, now the mafia knows you're a blue not to mention how dumb it is to reply to such a PM without any confirmation. Or maybe he's lying about that to either get one hit from mafia or several hits from mafia. Regardless, I'm not distributing out the role he gave me. It's between him and me. Edit: I've gotten at least 10 other roles roles by the way. I'm assuming that at least five are genuine. There were also many wise cracks, which I did my best to play along with. By the way, RoL, I really enjoyed your PMs. My responses made perfect sense. You just need to re-look them and learn how to read them. Ver, I'm still awaiting that PM from you. Not giving those other roles I discovered, either. (one of them was the already dead medic -.-)
I WILL FUCKING KILL YOU.
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On December 31 2008 22:45 0cz3c wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 20:53 RaGe wrote:On December 31 2008 19:01 Tensai176 wrote:
I say we lynch oz3k or w/e since I have told him my role already =(. lol you're not very smart are you no actually youre pretty dumb if he was mafia, he already sent your role to the others in case he got lynched if he wasn't mafia, now the mafia knows you're a blue not to mention how dumb it is to reply to such a PM without any confirmation. Or maybe he's lying about that to either get one hit from mafia or several hits from mafia. Regardless, I'm not distributing out the role he gave me. It's between him and me. Edit: I've gotten at least 10 other roles roles by the way. I'm assuming that at least five are genuine. There were also many wise cracks, which I did my best to play along with. By the way, RoL, I really enjoyed your PMs. My responses made perfect sense. You just need to re-look them and learn how to read them. Ver, I'm still awaiting that PM from you. Not giving those other roles I discovered, either. (one of them was the already dead medic -.-)
I WILL FUCKING KILL YOU
+ Show Spoiler +not to ruin bandwagon i put this in a spoiler, although the spoiler ruins the bandwaogn it was worth a try
Ive been sleeping/at work so i had to catch up on 16 pages of mafia T_T hence i seam inactive
but from what i can see we should idk what we should do
btw i dont see why we should lynch lathim
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Wow lots of posts in a day, I will read though all this tomorrow.. Have to prepare for my party tonight =)
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