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On December 15 2008 16:28 Camlito wrote:Chaoser i know what you mean  . I've just been in enough mafia games now to see that argument over and over and it just seems repeditive, but i know what you mean. You are right, but the way i read your posts it seemed you wanted to aid the delaying of vers lynch.
not at all, i just wanted to get across the message that to not trust false messiahs who bring presents of gold which actually turns out to be pyrite
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I'm speechless.
I wouldn't have minded being lynched if we debated it out and I got outargued by Ace or something and ended up dying. If that's how the game goes so be it.
But I barely get to post my defense because the game started super fast without warning, people start realizing the flaws in the argument against me (which there are, whether I am mafia or not this is fact), and I get lynched before my side has any time to convince the bandwagoners.
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On December 15 2008 16:33 Ver wrote:
I'm speechless.
I wouldn't have minded being lynched if we debated it out and I got outargued by Ace or something and ended up dying. If that's how the game goes so be it.
But I barely get to post my defense because the game started super fast without warning, people start realizing the flaws in the argument against me (which there are, whether I am mafia or not this is fact), and I get lynched before my side has any time to convince the bandwagoners.
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Yep, just like cheese,
So now we just get the dt that checked ver to check either ace or someone else, sac himself and then we start a web of townies,
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I didn't think lynching Ver would be the best thing to do, but the outcome is the best one we could have hoped for. Now the mafia lose one of their better players, and despite their killing power, it's still -1.
What we have to do now is make sure that Ace or his source can be trusted. Since there's almost no way (unless by random pm's and blind trust) that Ace got in contact with a DT so early, he is hinting that he himself is the DT. Someone check Ace and make sure he's clean, work with him, we'll go from there.
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On December 15 2008 16:37 nevake wrote:
I didn't think lynching Ver would be the best thing to do, but the outcome is the best one we could have hoped for. Now the mafia lose one of their better players, and despite their killing power, it's still -1.
What we have to do now is make sure that Ace or his source can be trusted. Since there's almost no way (unless by random pm's and blind trust) that Ace got in contact with a DT so early, he is hinting that he himself is the DT. Someone check Ace and make sure he's clean, work with him, we'll go from there.
Righto, any dt's check ace out and medics protect him aswell, looks like ace is our go to guy
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ace is NOT our go to guy till he gets proven without a doubt to be truthful and that itself is very hard to do. even if another dt checks him to be mafia, that dt now has to choose someone to confide in and that is a risk in itself unless that dt already checked out a townie.
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good job town!
Specials should stay calm tonight, no need to make any risky moves. Except for paramedics that is. 
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On December 15 2008 16:46 chaoser wrote:
ace is NOT our go to guy till he gets proven without a doubt to be truthful and that itself is very hard to do. even if another dt checks him to be mafia, that dt now has to choose someone to confide in and that is a risk in itself unless that dt already checked out a townie.
No your not listening, im saying we should sac a dt rolecheck ace to make sure, this means we know without a doubt that he is not mafia, then hes the gotoguy
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On December 15 2008 16:42 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2008 16:37 nevake wrote:
I didn't think lynching Ver would be the best thing to do, but the outcome is the best one we could have hoped for. Now the mafia lose one of their better players, and despite their killing power, it's still -1.
What we have to do now is make sure that Ace or his source can be trusted. Since there's almost no way (unless by random pm's and blind trust) that Ace got in contact with a DT so early, he is hinting that he himself is the DT. Someone check Ace and make sure he's clean, work with him, we'll go from there. Righto, any dt's check ace out and medics protect him aswell, looks like ace is our go to guy
Medics, please don't all go onto Ace right away. The last thing we need is for us to lose all our medics to the suicide bomber. At least keep this in mind. (though it might be nice to have a medic protect Ace)
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On December 15 2008 16:53 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2008 16:46 chaoser wrote:
ace is NOT our go to guy till he gets proven without a doubt to be truthful and that itself is very hard to do. even if another dt checks him to be mafia, that dt now has to choose someone to confide in and that is a risk in itself unless that dt already checked out a townie. No your not listening, im saying we should sac a dt rolecheck ace to make sure, this means we know without a doubt that he is not mafia, then hes the gotoguy
and i'm saying even if a dt rolechecks, who is the dt going to confide in with the information? who can he trust?
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On December 15 2008 16:54 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2008 16:53 Scaramanga wrote:On December 15 2008 16:46 chaoser wrote:
ace is NOT our go to guy till he gets proven without a doubt to be truthful and that itself is very hard to do. even if another dt checks him to be mafia, that dt now has to choose someone to confide in and that is a risk in itself unless that dt already checked out a townie. No your not listening, im saying we should sac a dt rolecheck ace to make sure, this means we know without a doubt that he is not mafia, then hes the gotoguy and i'm saying even if a dt rolechecks, who is the dt going to confide in with the information? who can he trust?
No one, im saying and i quote from the post you quoted, we sac the dt so we have a go to guy,
oh and btw hyper is right, medics dont pretect him im pretty sure hes got one alredy
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Hence why I said "work with him". If Ace is red, then there will be eventually someone the DT can trust, but if he flips DT, then we have two DT's working together that can potentially help the town a lot. I advise DT's not to trust screen shots as concrete proof.
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On December 15 2008 16:46 chaoser wrote:
ace is NOT our go to guy till he gets proven without a doubt to be truthful and that itself is very hard to do. even if another dt checks him to be mafia, that dt now has to choose someone to confide in and that is a risk in itself unless that dt already checked out a townie.
just get the dts to check other 'valuable' and experienced players, have the dts approach these checked players, and slowly assemble a team.
if each of the dts do this we'll have at least 3 small teams, and a good chance dts will find each other and assemble together
townies can also make a decision to trust one or two other townies and form a team themselves
then as these groups establish themselves, they can approach one individual at a time to increase their numbers
isn't this sort of how the town killed the mafia in mafia 2?
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On December 15 2008 16:57 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2008 16:54 chaoser wrote:On December 15 2008 16:53 Scaramanga wrote:On December 15 2008 16:46 chaoser wrote:
ace is NOT our go to guy till he gets proven without a doubt to be truthful and that itself is very hard to do. even if another dt checks him to be mafia, that dt now has to choose someone to confide in and that is a risk in itself unless that dt already checked out a townie. No your not listening, im saying we should sac a dt rolecheck ace to make sure, this means we know without a doubt that he is not mafia, then hes the gotoguy and i'm saying even if a dt rolechecks, who is the dt going to confide in with the information? who can he trust? No one, im saying and i quote from the post you quoted, we sac the dt so we have a go to guy, oh and btw hyper is right, medics dont pretect him im pretty sure hes got one alredy
1) i don't know how i feel about sacing a dt who still has 2 rolechecks in him plus his 2 asking abilities. if anything, he should ask how many mafia voted for ver to be killed.
2) i don't know how the silencer works, does he show up on checks as a townie? or will it say silencer? cause if it's the former, then it would be bad to sac the dt if ace turns out to be the silencer and somehow (low chance here but chance nevertheless) him and mafia linked up on this first day.
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On December 15 2008 17:00 blue_arrow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2008 16:46 chaoser wrote:
ace is NOT our go to guy till he gets proven without a doubt to be truthful and that itself is very hard to do. even if another dt checks him to be mafia, that dt now has to choose someone to confide in and that is a risk in itself unless that dt already checked out a townie. just get the dts to check other 'valuable' and experienced players, have the dts approach these checked players, and slowly assemble a team. if each of the dts do this we'll have at least 3 small teams, and a good chance dts will find each other and assemble together townies can also make a decision to trust one or two other townies and form a team themselves then as these groups establish themselves, they can approach one individual at a time to increase their numbers isn't this sort of how the town killed the mafia in mafia 2?
CONCURRED
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(Edit: Thx for the general tips bl00dychobler and chaoser you guy rock.)
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On December 15 2008 17:20 AttackZerg wrote:
(Edit: Thx for the general tips bl00dychobler and chaoser you guy rock.)
Man you cant edit posts mafia or you get banned
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On December 15 2008 18:14 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2008 17:20 AttackZerg wrote:
(Edit: Thx for the general tips bl00dychobler and chaoser you guy rock.) Man you cant edit posts mafia or you get banned
My post was asking for somebody to pm me about what I can do to get involved in the game and also how Ace caught Ver. It was just a longer version of that.
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